“Not always possible to align the democratic and the retail calendars…”

First sign of any sort of kick back on the Alliance, the SDLP and Sinn Fein came from President of the Chamber last night, Joe Jordan who criticised the timing of the vote (rather than the vote itself), and the widespread unrest in and now way beyond the city..

It fell to Mairtin O’Muilleoir, a businessman himself and often an overt champion of local business interests on Twitter responded to similar queries on Sunday when he tweeted:

But when comes to it, you are left with Jordan’s question still hanging: why couldn’t they? What was the rush? Why not the retail graveyard of February or March?

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  • Dec

    Funny, I thought Danny Baker’s statement was the most pertinent. Did the vote throw a petrol bomb into that police car last night? Is rioting and violence more agreeable in Spring? The logical extension of Chamber’s nonsense is that the existence of nationalist parties (and therefore nationalists) is to blame, not the rioters. What’s the chances he’ll be on TV tonight bemoaning the timing of the release of census data?

  • BarneyT

    Spring makes sense…closer to St Patricks and Easter. No contention there. How about delaying it to late June as the number of flags on the streets will surely make up for the removal of one?

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    Movember 29 tweet:

    Máirtín Ó Muilleoir ‏@newbelfast

    Yep “@ianjamesparsley: Hold on, thought 90% of population wanted the flag retained 365 days/yr. Are you suggesting that’s not actually true?

    So never mind what the people say they want, the politicians just traipse after the respective party flegs with no regard for the consequences.

  • RegisterForThisSite

    Got to admit I had suspected the the demonstrations on this constitutional issue to also involve some Christmas shopping through broken windows, and also that perhaps the demonstrators might have a whinge about being forced to go out in weather like this, the OO being a lot more thoughtful of rioters by marching in mid-Summer.

    But there’s always Amazon for those who don’t fancy going out

  • tacapall

    So does , Joe Jordan believe commerce and profit should come before politics and the rights of the majority, I would believe in the latter but then im not a businessman nor a unionist.

  • Barnshee

    It was economic illiteracy ( of the kind we have come to expect) to run this charade close to Xmas period. Belfast business activity has been damaged creating a pressure on businesses already burdened with the rates bill.

    Worst of all it has handed a guaranteed method of disruption, with no apparent consequences to the disaffected.

    “a good days work” indeed

  • Sound Bloke

    … thought 90% of population wanted the flag retained 365 days/yr.

    Where did that figure come from?

  • Haifish

    Yes the fallout from the flag vote has caused disruption and inconvenience, but people only have a finite amount of money to spend and if they are determined to spend it in Belfast I imagine they will reschedule their shopping trips?

    Every year we get the Jeremiah’s from the city centre trades crying woe and thrice woe, blaming the weather,government,roadworks,traffic wardens etc., yet the miracle of Christmas is come Boxing Day there has been an upsurge in trade in the tun up to Christmas, and healthy sales.
    Methinks people go on their last splurge when they get their last pre Christmas pay, in my case Friday 21st this year.

  • Barnshee

    “Yes the fallout from the flag vote has caused disruption and inconvenience, but people only have a finite amount of money to spend and if they are determined to spend it in Belfast I imagine they will reschedule their shopping trips?”

    note “f they are determined to spend it in Belfast” a significant amount in the NW has already relocate to Derry and Ballymena

  • Mick Fealty

    Haifish,

    “…if they are determined to spend it in Belfast I imagine they will reschedule their shopping trips?”

    Much easier to spend it with a US owned online retailer that pays minimal taxes in Ireland or the UK?

  • tacapall

    “Much easier to spend it with a US owned online retailer that pays minimal taxes in Ireland or the UK”

    Now that would be radical Mick and I dont think people here could be called radical.

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    “What was the rush?”

    Mick, according to this Dec 10 tweet there was no rush:

    Máirtín Ó Muilleoir ‏@newbelfast

    Share frustration of retailers on ‘timing’ of flag decision but this was not suddenly brought up at 3 Dec meet, has been in process all year

    So either some of the councillors can’t read the political landscape or they don’t care. You can’t eat a flag but you can easily use it to cause mischief and mayhem.

  • Neil

    LOL @ Barnshee, being awfully responsible this evening. But hold on a moment, did you not suggest:

    What about an old Irish favourite–boycott?

    Prods –boycott the city centre bars shops etc for -say 1 week?

    Rates –have you thought about withholding al or part of your rates ?

    Come on lads a wee bit of thought -hit them in their pocket –and watch the fun

    Over here: http://sluggerotoole.com/2012/12/02/who-needs-bus-lanes-when-a-flag-might-block-the-belfast-traffic/

    If democracy doesn’t deliver your demands you’re over the moon at the prospect of helping bankrupt struggling traders who are already bemoaning the loss of a number of weekends this year thanks to Ulster’s Loyal Sons.

    Think about it, if they did it in the new year then you wouldn’t be able to exercise your preferred option of denying traders any where near as much business as you can at the minute. You should be thrilled about the timing.

  • Neil

    Belfast business activity has been damaged creating a pressure on businesses already burdened with the rates bill.

    Yet 6 days hence:

    Slogan for xms AVOID BELFAST

    It certainly seems to me like economic illiteracy to suggest losing jobs in Belfast is desirable in response to your flag being erected the same number of times in a year as is done in England. You can’t eat the flag dude.

    Some might suggest that more jobs would be an answer for some of these ‘protestors’ as opposed to fewer jobs. Give them something to do of an afternoon.

  • raftonpounder

    This wrong time of year stuff is complete and utter nonsense.
    Is every single decision meant to be considered through the spectrum of the potential effect on business??

    What time of year is appropriate for difficult decisions? Easter, St Patricks Day, Start of Summer holidays, the Twelfth, Black Saturday, School starting back, Halloween, Christmas?
    Pick one and you’ll find a business that suffers.

    If we move our difficult decisions to another more riot-appropriate time of year what about the effect on tourism and NI profile abroad?

    Where is the protesting about multiples/supermarkets coming in and crushing independent and local stores?
    That is where the problem lies and Mr Jordan would be better off focusing his attention on it.

    The total primacy of economic concerns above all others is objectionable at the best of times but giving airtime to infantile suggestions such as this is just ludicrous.

  • Barnshee

    Neil
    “Think about it, if they did it in the new year then you wouldn’t be able to exercise your preferred option of denying traders any where near as much business as you can at the minute. You should be thrilled about the timing”

    The prods are in generally brain dead when it comes to strategy and tactics Other than muttering and waving flags and adding to rioting.
    I am simply pointing out that other strategies and tactics had been proved to be more effective- in short –use your imagination. If for example you don`t like the way Belfast is run -take your business elsewhere