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Ruth and Guy provide more evidence of political unionism’s leadership deficit

Sat 8 December 2012, 4:19pm

Belfast DUP councillor Ruth Patterson has refused to condemn the burning of the Irish Tricolour at today’s BNP-addressed loyalist rally at Belfast City Hall, and has even claimed that nationalists and republicans often burn their own National Flag at commemorations. Here’s Ruth speaking straight from the school of ‘you couldn’t make it up’:

“They are disillusioned, they are left in like a wilderness and they need the leadership to take them from that wilderness. Burning the Tricolour is something that the nationalist/ republican community do at most of their parades. It’s not something you wouldn’t see at a republican parade. But I don’t condone it but I’m not going to condemn it.”

Oh, where to start? Maybe with pointing out that, as the lead party in unionism for a decade, perhaps the fault lies with the DUP’s ‘confident’ brand of unionism which seeks to foment hate and tribal divisions as a strategy to re-engage with loyalist grassroots. We can certainly see how effective that strategy is right now as more rioting occurs across Belfast.

And as if to avoid being undone, fellow Belfast DUP councillor Guy Spence has firmly laid claim to the title of King of the Forked Tongue Unionist, having flip-flopped over the protests throughout the week. Firstly, he spoke in defence of the protests at City Hall before condemning the very same crowd for accidentally smashing up his car (presumably they mistook his vehicle for one belonging to a catholic.) Then, following his party leader’s call for a ‘suspension’ of the protests, Guy commended the loyalist road blockers in Tiger’s Bay/ Limestone Road last night, before having to condemn their fellow protesters in Monkstown for ruining the DUP Mayor’s Christmas Party by rioting and smashing car windows at the venue.

Meanwhile, yet another loyalist attack on the home of an Alliance elected representative has taken place, this time in Newtownards, whilst the Irish News reported this morning that loyalists are ratcheting up the tension at Belfast’s many interface communities by erecting flags in areas where informal agreements had been in place to ensure flags were not erected.

Looks like those who rolled the snowballs are out of ideas and are left praying for the thaw to come…..

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  1. Embedded the audio of Ruth in the post.

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  2. 6crealist (profile) says:

    “Burning the Tricolour is something that the nationalist/ republican community do at most of their parades. It’s not something you wouldn’t see at a republican parade.”

    What? Any ever seen this?

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  3. Kevsterino (profile) says:

    Is this what happens when someone never undertakes to engage anyone in a political discussion who doesn’t agree with them? I don’t envy the coppers at the moment. It looks like their trying to herd cats.

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  4. derrydave (profile) says:

    ‘I’m not going to condemn it’ – astounding ! I actually thought that the DUP’s talk of appealing to centre-right Catholics at thier recent party conference was something they were serious about, or at least that elements of the party were serious about ? Seems not.
    The net result of all of this nonsense I believe really could be a strenthening of the support for the Alliance party from middle-class protestants, and a copper-fastening of their seat in east-belfast. Surely to god most middle-class forward thinking unionists can see this nonsense (and the part the DUP have played in it) for what it is ?

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  5. Submariner (profile) says:

    ” Surely to god most middle-class forward thinking unionists can see this nonsense (and the part the DUP have played in it) for what it is ?”

    Derrydave they already do they are known as Alliance voters. Those who give their votes to the DUP and UUP do so freely knowing that they are voting for sectarian bigots.

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  6. Submariner (profile) says:

    “Burning the Tricolour is something that the nationalist/ republican community do at most of their parades. It’s not something you wouldn’t see at a republican parade. But I don’t condone it but I’m not going to condemn it.”

    If this is the calibre of politician representing Unionism then they are doomed to a future crawling around in a sectarian cesspit of their own making.

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  7. Obelisk (profile) says:

    ‘I’m not going to condemn it’ – astounding ! I actually thought that the DUP’s talk of appealing to centre-right Catholics at their recent party conference was something they were serious about, or at least that elements of the party were serious about’

    What cosmic force did Peter Robinson offend to provoke such bad karma? He makes a huge speech as a basis for forward looking pluralistic Unionism and within DAYS we have one of the worst breakdowns in cross-community relations in years exposing the lie of his fantasy.

    A gap in the political scene that he is going to led the DUP into? Its a figment of his imagination. To occupy that gap required a political courage that seems to have failed Peter who has been content to retreat into his own base, condemning violence yet always including the ‘but’ and the ‘whatabout’.

    Once again, Peter Robinson is an amazing political tactician, capable of tackling each successive issue deftly and with skill. But he is a woeful Strategist. Each time a choice is given to him of attempting to grow the Unionist pie through meaningful gestures to the other side or retreating into his 1950′s style comfort zone, Robinson has opted for the later. Prison Badges, where he now implies he threatened David Ford. The Marching Band trouble over the Summer. And now this!

    He articulates what he clearly, desperately wants to achieve, making the breakthrough of his ideology among the other community to secure the victory of Unionism. He is just fundamentally incapable of delivering his vision.

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  8. derrydave (profile) says:

    Sorry Submariner, but I just can’t accept that the massive numbers of people who vote DUP and UUP do so knowing that they are voting for sectarian bigots. In fact the mother of a friend of mine actually stood for the DUP in local elections around 15 years ago. A more decent and generous person you would be lucky to meet anywhere – I never discussed her politics with her, but truly believe she would be horrified by this recent charade. Many middle-class nominal DUP voters would probably look the other way were all these recent attacks directed towards Sinn Fein, however the fact they were all directed against the Alliance Party – a party most would accept as certainly genuine and decent – will challenge many peoples consciences.

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  9. No……I can’t claim that I have seen that at a Republican parade. But I do know of one republican who had the National Flag wrapped around him in coffin…….he was cremated.
    I am not sure if it was removed before he went to the crematorium. But technically……would that count?

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  10. keano10 (profile) says:

    The DUP cannot escape their natural gut-instinct to appease the lowest common denominator. And in the case of modern day Unionism/Loyalism that’s a VERY low denominator. The turnout at the City Hall was absolutely pathetic bearing in mind the huge media coverage. This was the very dregs of Unionism on display so it makes the DUP’s stance all the more open to ridicule.

    Robinson appears to have lost control of his party in the past few days. His councillors are doing whatever they want and all central control within the DUP has gone astray.

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  11. pomdotcom (profile) says:

    As a non flag waving and non flute carrying middle of the path unionist, I feel that if the UUP move any more towards the DUP in their beliefs/policies I will vote Alliance in future elections.

    I take my hat of to Basil McCrea – we need more good honest men like you.

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  12. Greenflag (profile) says:

    Re Tricolour flag burning ,

    ‘ I don’t condone it ‘

    Fair enough

    ‘but I’m not going to condemn it.”’

    Cowardly comment – I guess there’ll be no condemnation if the Union Jack is burnt ?

    Pathetic Patterson :(

    Past time these idiots grew up and behaved like the ‘democrats ‘ they are supposed to be :(

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  13. derrydave (profile) says:

    Interesting pomdotcom. Agree with you on Basil McCrea – think it says everything about the state of mainstream unionism that the rumours appear to be that he may move over the the Alliance Party. Could we be about to see the beginnings of a serious rise in Alliance Party fortunes ? As a republican I obviously disagree with their default position on the question of soverignty, however there is not a lot that I disagree with when i hear their representatives speaking – would certainly transfer to them if I lived in a constituency where it could make a difference.

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  14. NOT NOW JOHN (profile) says:

    Damned fool of a woman. Ignorant beyond belief. Scrape away the photographs the press releases emanating from Stormont and the real DUP comes forth.

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  15. MALCOLMX (profile) says:

    Seriously Ruth, Seriously????

    Just when you think this whole outpouring of blatant sectarianism can’t get any more depressing, a vile sectarian rant from a bigot trying to justify the burning of the Irish National Flag just says it all.

    Even when handed the opportunity to take the moral high ground when the eyes of the world are watching their wee protest and still the DUP couldn’t hide their Supremacist, Sectarian, bigoted views.

    Shame on them

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  16. MALCOLMX (profile) says:

    I also can’t believe that the regular slugger faithful did not know that us Republicans love nothing more than to burn our national flag at the start, middle and end of every get together.

    You just couldn’t make this up, could you Ruth? Could you? Oh that’s right Ruth, you just did.

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  17. Alan N/Ards (profile) says:

    I was doing the ironing when I heard this stupid woman on the news. My daughters Moshi Monster tee shirt nearly got burned as I stopped to listen to what she was saying. As a unionist I’m really saddened to see the NF styled march through Belfast. At the same time I am heartened to see that the other 900.000+ unionist’s in northern Ireland got on with their lives.

    I see that a bunch of loyalist thugs have attacked another lone female Alliance councillor at her home in Newtownards. She said that there were four of them and they were at her house for 15 minutes. Horrendous. Absolutely horrendous.

    The DUP/UUP need to man up and put their hands up and take the blame for unleashing these mad dogs on the decent people of the Alliance Party. I am no fan of their stance on abortion and homosexual marriage but I will be giving them and them alone my vote at the next election.

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  18. Kevsterino (profile) says:

    The last I heard this Ruth person leads the DUP group at Belfast City Hall?

    Say it ain’t so!

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  19. Ulick (profile) says:

    “Burning the Tricolour is something that the nationalist/ republican community do at most of their parades. It’s not something you wouldn’t see at a republican parade.”

    Nope, sorry Ruth in 40 years of attending Easter commemorations, St Patrick’s parades and protest marches I’ve yet to see this happen.

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  20. Politico68 (profile) says:

    What a disaster today, a handful of idiots take to the streets, long gone the days when tens of thousands of Unionists would come out at the command of their leaders. It is clear that the overwhelming majority of Unionists are decent people who couldnt care less about the removal of the flag. The DUP and UUP are so out of touch with their electorate and their Catholic ‘outreach’ effort is in tatters. Unioism is embarrassing itself both at home and internationally. Ridiculous situation. To those fokkirs who are attacking Protestant buildings and property, U are worse than the loyalist scum, letting people wake up to sectarian filth while u hide away so u cant be caught, u are no brave sons of Eireann, just cowardly freaks of nature. Catholics and Protestants should stand together and face down these losers.

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  21. Kit_Carruthers (profile) says:

    Ruth Patterson spectacularly exposes the empty rhetoric behind the DUP’s shared future language.

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  22. Drumlins Rock (profile) says:

    I have a confession, I have burnt Union Jacks before now :( shame on me. Never Burnt a Tricolour though.

    Burning national flags is a normally a cheap tacky thing to do. Like everything else in life the circumstances make a difference of course.

    As for buring Union Jacks, I was follow ing the guidlines of http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=14

    How do I dispose of old flags?

    When a flag becomes tattered or faded and is no longer in a suitable condition for use, it should be destroyed in a dignified way, for example by burning, tearing or cutting into strips that no longer resemble the original flag.

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  23. pomdotcom (profile) says:

    being a law abiding, moderate unionist in Northern Ireland, it is becoming impossible to find a political party to represent my views. As I mentioned earlier, I am being won over more and more by the Alliance party. It would appear they speak from the heart and without a political/religious agenda.

    Being an athiest, I vote not on religious beliefs, but on what I see might be best for this little part of our island and for the generations coming after me.

    Flags and National Anthems – I have travelled the world and given respect to each and every one of them. Perhaps 16 years in the Merchant Navy has taught me to respect and appreciate other beliefs.

    We always think “we” are right, but, step back and look at situations from the side of the other person.

    When will we ever learn that no matter how important we think we are here in Northern Ireland, Ulster, Ireland or whatever – in the great scheme of things we are but a tiny dot on the world map and of no importance to others outside our shores.

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  24. MALCOLMX (profile) says:

    I would love to hear some sort of justification or interpretation of this from Unionist posters. I appreciate moderate unionists have already condemned it and rightly so and for that fair play to them but how could anyone not take this as yet another blatant sectarian supremacist comment from the so called ‘leadership’ of unionism.

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  25. Alias (profile) says:

    “It is clear that the overwhelming majority of Unionists are decent people who couldnt care less about the removal of the flag.” – Politico

    Unlike the muppets you voted to remove it.

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  26. Alias (profile) says:

    you = who

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  27. iluvni (profile) says:

    “I would love to hear some sort of justification or interpretation of this from Unionist posters.”

    She’s thick

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  28. David Crookes (profile) says:

    Chris, many thanks for your posting. The last few days have been horrible. What is the problem? Many of our fellow-countrymen are characterized by hatred, and that hatred can be relied upon to express itself in savagery at the push of a yellow button. Whatever the future holds, neither a modified union nor a 32-county state will enjoy any stability unless the savagery and gangsterism of our undemocratic fellow-countrymen are crushed by coercion.

    Let me add that we need to stop electing Piltdown Skulls like the politicians whom you cite. Whatever certain commentators may say, there is no ‘complexity’ about the situation. Either people keep the law, and abide by democratic solutions, or else they don’t. If they don’t, they’re not British.

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  29. Yellowford (profile) says:

    Think she meant to say that nationalists and republicans burn the union flag at their parades. This woman has leadership written all over her. I bet she’s a good Christian woman.
    Rest easy. Unionism is in safe hands.

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  30. qwerty12345 (profile) says:

    Well its good to see the caliber of local politicians we have here on the moon.

    All this over a piece of cloth hanging from a pole. As if there isn’t a surfeit of flegs hanging from poles already. I mean isnt it time every right minded lover of all things British had the red white and blue tattooed on their foreheads?

    Once you get a good look at the lovely underbelly of unionism and its approach to “democracy” I have to say it sure does make putting the tick inside the Sinn Fein box a lot easier.

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  31. Gopher (profile) says:

    Shock horror DUP politician is a moron. Have you looked at some of the people who are MLA’s let alone actually ministers in Stormont, thankfully there was not a playground within naming distance of the City Hall or the gobshite olympics might start. Wait a minute. Meanwhile thousands of people are out enjoying themselves on a Saturday night despite the best efforts of our politicians. As civilization slowly spreads through the North soon non voters will be the majority

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  32. pomdotcom (profile) says:

    a very big “here here” to David Crookes, qwerty12345 and Gopher – I agree with you all.

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  33. babyface finlayson (profile) says:

    Yellowford
    “Think she meant to say that nationalists and republicans burn the union flag at their parades.”
    Yes having listened to it, I think that is logically the most likely explanation.

    It hardly makes it any better mind you, if she meant to say;
    ‘they burn our flag so why should we not burn theirs’.
    Depressing.
    Wish I could afford to emigrate.

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  34. Comrade Stalin (profile) says:

    This is Ruth “I didn’t know they were in the UDA/UVF political wing” Patterson we’re talking about. She’s not the sharpest tool in the box.

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  35. pomdotcom (profile) says:

    keep putting the pennies in the jar babyface, or perhaps they might bring back the “ten pound pom” :))

    I totally understand how you feel.

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  36. Comrade Stalin (profile) says:

    a very big “here here” to David Crookes, qwerty12345 and Gopher – I agree with you all.

    Agreed – hear hear.

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  37. wild turkey (profile) says:

    ‘The last I heard this Ruth person leads the DUP group at Belfast City Hall?

    Say it ain’t so!’

    ah, Kevin. it gets even worse.

    following the success of Sarah Palin rumour has it Ruth will be signed up as a commentator for FOX news; with a special emphasis commenting on the political barbeques.

    mahalo

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  38. Garibaldy (profile) says:

    This is the danger with the DUP/PSF sectarian sham fighting for electoral advantage. Reliant on sectarianism as they are for their votes, they need to keep the pot boiling, but there’s always the risk things will go further than they want. It would be nice to think there’ll be lessons learnt from this, but the whole dynamic of politics here means that cannot happen.

    Even allowing for all that, this whole flag thing has been a particularly disgraceful set of events.

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  39. changeisneeded (profile) black spot says:

    Comrade Stalin (profile) 8 December 2012 at 8:29 pm
    a very big “here here” to David Crookes, qwerty12345 and Gopher – I agree with you all.

    me too.

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  40. JR (profile) says:

    It kind of makes you wonder, what other myths about Catholics, nationalists and republicans does she believe in?

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  41. anne warren (profile) says:

    Totally agree with David Crookes and the others.
    JR – Yes it does leave the field open to many suppositions – That’s what happens when people on both sides, mistake legends for facts,not knowing and maybe never having met, or wanted to meet “one of the other sort”, as Ruth would probably say!!

    Here’s another piece of evidence showing the lack of working class Protestant leadership:
    Speaking at the rally outside Belfast City Hall UDA leader Jackie McDonald denied that his organisation and the rival Ulster Volunteer Force were orchestrating much of the violence and intimidation, claiming “this is a grassroots, spontaneous movement and no one knows where it is going”
    He warned that the union flag controversy at Belfast city hall was in danger of spiralling out of control and threatening peace across Northern Ireland.
    He claimed that Protestant anger over the decision to stop flying the union flag all the year round on top of the City Hall was also undermining his position within Ulster loyalism.
    He said he was “gravely worried” that the leadership of loyalism “could be usurped” as a result of the flag furore.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/09/ulster-union-flag-protests
    We can see what he is really worried about!!

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  42. ayeYerMa (profile) says:

    Sorry, but if our sovereignty is not respected (as it hasn’t been by Republicans for decades, but was signed up to be as agreed to as per recent agreements), then why exactly should you expect the representation of the sovereignty of the foreign state which you try to destructively impose on us unwanted to be respected in return?

    PS: Ruth is a twit, but only for the logical error when speaking off the cuff, not from the content of what she was actually trying to say.

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  43. ayeYerMa (profile) says:

    Garibaldy, there is nothing “sectarian” about wanting your sovereignty respected and this destructive support for treason to end.

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  44. keano10 (profile) says:

    I suspect that when all of the dust has finally settled on this , that Alliance may benefit in the long term from what has occurred this week. Moderate Unionists have little time now for either the UUP or DUP. Mike Nesbitt’s positioning of his party has been nothing short of catastrophic. Possibly the worst spell of leadership in recent local political history – and that is saying something.

    Alliance are going to attract a lot of votes and second preferences from right across the boards, but particularly from within middle class unionist circles.

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  45. Sp12 (profile) says:

    Go easy on the woman, it’s probably because she’s a bit hard of hearing in one ear she couldn’t quite make out what she was saying as it was dribbling out of her mouth.

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  46. Lionel Hutz (profile) says:

    Ayeyerma,

    Maybe you can explain when the Irish Tricolour was placed on city hall? When was my national flag destructively imposed on you?

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  47. iluvni (profile) says:

    “Alliance are going to attract a lot of votes and second preferences from right across the boards, but particularly from within middle class unionist circles.”

    I dont agree with that at all. I think quite a few who have been quite apathetic about voting have had their eyes opened to the reality of what Alliance will deliver and who they are prepared to side with…..and they dont want that, no matter what Basil McCrea or (Keano10) say..

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  48. Greenflag (profile) says:

    ‘At the same time I am heartened to see that the other 900.000+ unionist’s in northern Ireland got on with their lives.’

    There is that -also the vast majority of nationalists and republicans have’nt reacted to the BNF loyalist provocations -yet .

    Ruth Patterson must be losing it -seeing Republicans burning tricolours ?

    I suppose we see what we want to see at the end of the day?

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  49. aquifer (profile) says:

    At what point does beyond reason become just sillytalk?

    Or is the silly one pointing the microphone at it?

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  50. Charlie Sheens PR guru (profile) says:

    While Ruth’s rants are usually a chuckle, this Jim Dowson character seems like a nastier piece of work.

    After basically telling the RTE reporter to go f*ck himself, I checked who he is as he sounds Glaswegian and I knew nothing about him. Turns out he has quite a CV…

    BNP fundraiser
    Michel Stone supporter
    Kicked out of orange order
    and so on..

    Was this guy always on the radar and just off mine?

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  51. ayeYerMa (profile) says:

    Exactly, iluvni, I think a lot of the Republican treasonists and their appeasers in Alliance will eventually see how much this attempt to play games has backfired. (and hopefully with the added benefit that the now unrecognisable Belfast Telegraph gets the punishment in the wallet that it deserves)

    I know several people who have been out protesting who have never done so before, middle class, far from the depictions of paramilitaries or national front supporters etc. that Republicans here are trying to portray protesters.

    Despite the lectures from hypocrite-Hilary, I don’t think international reaction is what Republicans are trying to tell us either, as internationally a sovereign flag simply flies as standard diplomatic protocol, and to try on remove it would be obviously offensive and met with a far worse reaction than what we have seen so far here. Only in Northern Ireland are we told that the inclusive sovereign flag representing millions of diverse people could be “offensive” or “sectarian” as such a suggestion would be laughed at across the world.

    (not of course that this is simply about a flag)

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  52. Lionel Hutz (profile) says:

    The union jack is not offensive or sectarian. It’s just not inclusive.

    The problem is the singular saturated expression of symbols representing one side of the community

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  53. NOT NOW JOHN (profile) says:

    I dont agree with that at all. I think quite a few who have been quite apathetic about voting have had their eyes opened to the reality of what Alliance will deliver and who they are prepared to side with…..and they dont want that, no matter what Basil McCrea or (Keano10) say..

    My observation of the vast majority of middle class protestants in Belfast over the past few days is that they couldn’t give a hoot about how many days the flag flew. I witnessed the apathy of the shoppers as the protest passed yesterday and couldn’t help but wonder why is it that some protestant supporters of the union clearly do give a hoot while others (like me) don’t? What is it about those who protest that really bothers them? What do those who get hot and bothered have in common with each other that the rest of us clearly don’t?

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  54. GEF (profile) says:

    Is Peter Hitchens of the DM 100% genuine here, or is he just shit stirring? Because he has not quoted any documented evidence in the GFA to support his claim.

    “Lowering our flag is a shameful surrender to Ulster’s gangsters. Under the ‘Good Friday’ agreement, flying the Union Flag is illegal in Northern Ireland on 348 days of the year”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2245306/Lowering-flag-shameful-surrender-Ulster-s-gangsters.html#ixzz2EXa28Fz0
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  55. GEF (profile) says:

    I know the DFM and SF will be delighted at this news, but will the DUP also be delighted, after their leader “The First Minister” likewise praised Hilary and her philandering husband Bill no end at Stormont yesterday?

    “Hillary Clinton says ‘put me to work’ on Northern Ireland after she steps down – Amazing offer to American Ireland Fund by Secretary of State on Belfast visit”

    Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/hillary-clinton-says-put-me-to-work-on-northern-ireland-after-she-steps-down—amazing-offer-to-american-ireland-fund-by-secretary-of-state-on-belfast-visit-182658711.html#ixzz2EXdIqEWH

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  56. tacapall (profile) says:

    Chris I dont know where your getting the phrase “political unionism’s leadership deficit” from, Ruth Patterson is acting like she has always done in regard to climbing into bed with the Rangers\Linfield type of loyalist, wasn’t it Ruth who said -

    “If they (residents) don’t like the flags of this country, then they should go and live across the border. Rejecting nationalist claims that the erection of loyalist flags was designed to intimidate Catholic residents, Mrs Patterson said: “Of course they are going to say that. They are doing what they do best – complaining about the marching season.”

    Ruth Patterson is the worst type of Unionist, a woman who while masquerading as a democrat and someone who believes in the rule of law acts as an apologist and stands behind those who would use violence and intimidation to enforce their warped sense of superiority over society. That’s Unionist politicians for you, street theatre politicians who thrive on confrontation and division, kickbacks from Victorian times who believe they still have an empire.

    Does Ruth and co believe issuing death threats, burning Tricolours and engaging in an orgy of violence will somehow force nationalism to about turn that the flag policy will somehow be overturned at their jewel in the crown Belfast City hall, a flag policy that is flown at Stormont the seat of government, a similar policy is in place at Lisburn city hall and elsewhere around the country, including most councils in the UK.

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  57. Cackle Daily (profile) says:

    ayeYerMa, before you go through with you Bel tel boycott, you might want to dander down to their head office. What’s that on the roof? Goodness me, a Union flag! Flying proudly 365 days a year. If Guy and Ruth have been speaking out of both sides of his mouth on this one, then the daily hypocrisy of the Telegraph has been pretty galling also.

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  58. JH (profile) says:

    ayeYerMa:

    “Exactly, iluvni, I think a lot of the Republican treasonists and their appeasers in Alliance will eventually see how much this attempt to play games has backfired. (and hopefully with the added benefit that the now unrecognisable Belfast Telegraph gets the punishment in the wallet that it deserves)”

    Jesus wept.

    If the BelTel gets any more punishment in the wallet it’s finished.

    You realise that you’d be losing the one major moderate local paper pushing a Unionist line across the North?

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  59. Comrade Stalin (profile) says:

    You realise that you’d be losing the one major moderate local paper pushing a Unionist line across the North?

    ayeYerMa is the reincarnation of the presumed-dead ghost of Paisleyism.

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  60. Submariner (profile) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SqvGIhWu1aE

    Sums up the mindset perfectly

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  61. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    The Flegs have left the peace bridge thingy in Derry.
    Having spent the day blocking the bridge they have now retired to various bars to get blocked themselves.

    The Union is safe until closing time at least.

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  62. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    I’ve heard countless loyalists on radio and TV saying how their fathers and grandfathers fought for the flag, Queen and country etc to save us from Nazi tyranny.

    I’m afraid they failed in that a Nazi, Prince Philip, sits beside her Queen as she rules over them.

    Historical fact I’m afraid.

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  63. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    Prince Philip the Nazi….

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-apEPqsvEtsg/T7ur1cAD9_I/AAAAAAAAGDI/6CRTFLBix1c/s400/prince-phillip-nazi.JPG

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