Lest We Forget

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Today is the 25th anniversary of the IRA massacre in Enniskillen, I was not a witness to the events or directly affected, but I have many friends who were and will leave it to a few of them to voice their reflections from that day.  These are all comments posted on facebook last night or this morning, I have asked for permission to reproduce them here but have not included their identity.

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‎      “25 years ago today i helped a good neighbur out by giving him a lift to Enniskillen for the Remembrance Day Parade, where he was going to remember his comrades from the second world war – little did i know what i was going to get caught up in when i was setting off that morning! Standing outside O Dohertys Buthcers shop, opposite the Cenotaph, at apprx 10.45am the most unbelievable scene unfolded before my eyes.
Firstly a loud bang – i hit the ground – then silence for what seemed like an age – then debris, dust, timber all falling from the sky – what had happened? And then the noise – the screams, the shouting, the crying – it was a bomb! The first person i saw when i opened my eyes was the late Maggie Cox of the Salvation Army – a very well known local figure – i and another man carried her the length of Belmore St to the Horseshoe Bar. I then returned to the Cenotaph – my skin still crawls at the sights i witnesssed – those poor innocent people didnt stand a chance. I, along with many other people – and a special mention must go to the men and woman of 4UDR and Ballyreagh Band – did what we could to help the injured and those trapped – NEVER NEVER will i forget the  sights, sounds and smells of that day.
No one has ever been charged with the murders of our friends and neighbours  – but –  never forget if the other IRA bomb in Tullyhommon had exploded we would have been having a double anniversary today – a complete generation of Protestants would have been wiped out – ethnic cleansing by any other name! As i go to Enniskillen to support the families of those murdered i urge you all to say a prayer that the enemies of our land are not permitted to ever impart such murder, mayhem and suffereing on our country ever again – LEST WE FORGET!”
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      ” Tonight, 25 years ago I was on night shift…. I arrived home and  went to bed at around 8.40 am on Sunday morning I was wakened by a phone call around lunch time and told to get to the Erne Hospital asap…. there I stayed at the bedside of a seriously injured friend and colleague, George, for many days …. he had half a brick embedded in his skull and other blast injuries, the Sister in charge told me when I arrived at the hospital.. “Don’t get too comfortable, we don’t expect him to last the night” I had only been in Fermanagh a few months but still I knew some of those killed and injured.
 Over the following years I am proud to say that many more of those injured on that day I now call friends including Jim Nixon who features in this report, Jim is a fantastic Organ player and plays the Organ in our Church, a friend and brother in the Lord. I have seen the Phsycological scars on many of those caught up in the Bomb that day, still effecting them and their families 25 years later I’m glad to say, by the Grace of God, George did survive… we have been to many Glentoran matches together since!
Tomorrow we will gather around the Cenotaph to remember that day, whilst those that perpetrated it still walk free and those who supported and approved the attack sit in Government.  I believe in a God who will deal with those people in his own time and with his own Judgement.  But I end with this thought, Bill Clinton ex President of the USA came to Enniskillen and opened the “Clinton centre” on the site of the Bomb encouraging peace and reconciliation… 11 people out of a Population of around 11,000 died in the Poppy Day Bombing in Enniskillen…. we were told to forgive and find “common ground” 3,000 died out of a population of 8.25 Million in New York on 911… and America went to War and destroyed those responsible.. Think long and hard on that!! My respect goes out to the people of Fermanagh we can live together in mutual respect and one day those who tried to destroy this Community will face the consequences”
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      “8th November 1987 was an horrific day that will not be forgotten. I wasn’t in Enniskillen on that Sunday but it was my county town, where I attended school. As awful as it was, it could have been a whole lot worse. Many children, young people and adults were targeted by another bomb near the border that day too that didn’t explode. Nothing compares to the actual affects of the loss and injury suffered by those directly involved. But the effects of that day have touched so many more. It would take a lot more space than that available here to assess the impact of seeds sown towards the peace process in the years ahead.
But for me personally, I listened to the words expressed by Gordon Wilson in regard to the killers of his 20 year old daughter, ‘but I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge… I will pray for these men tonight and every night.’ I observed his courage and its impact in Northern Ireland and over the world. But I also listened to the criticism from others that such words shouldn’t be expressed towards such people. I found myself contrasting legalistic religion with the words of Christ (Matthew 6:12-15). I cannot place myself in the shoes of those who lost someone close to them.
Thorough legal and security responses were needed, and the heartbreaking search for justice goes on. But what I learned in the months and years after the bomb about the nature of God’s grace and the counter-cultural way in which it is to be lived out by his followers affected my understanding, and I hope my life since too. The courageous seeds sown then affected at least this random nearly-15-year-old, and I look back with humble gratitude about what I learned.”
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25 years on some healing has occured but much hurt still remains, today as we remember we need to share the hurt with those affected, then maybe tomorrow we can try to share a little healing.
  • derrydave

    Atrocious event for all those caught up in it – thank god we no longer have to live in those times. RIP to all those who died.

  • Covenanter

    I think that the Enniskillen atrocity (condemned even by Soviet Russia for its barbarity) marked the beginning of the end of the Provos. Thankfully the massacre that they had planned for the Boys and Girls Brigade at Tullyhommon on the same day was averted by the failure of their bomb.

    Lest we forget indeed.

  • Red Lion

    I was only a child at the time but remember the shock on my dads face on hearing the news of the bomb on the car radio on way home from church.

    I wasn’t aware of the planned bombing at Tullyhaommon i shall google it now.

  • Drumlins Rock

    it would appear most want to forget….

  • sonofstrongbow

    A most terrible day and even now twenty five years later it is difficult to comprehend the immeasurable hatred that drove the bombers.

    It is even more disturbing to think of what we would be remembering if the bombers had managed to explode the bomb at Tullyhommen.

    However I leave them in the mire of their own making.

    My thoughts this week have been, and will be on Sunday particularly, with the survivors and their families. Their courage is humbling. They are the best of us.

  • Kevsterino

    I hope that as time passes, people will recall that atrocity with growing incomprehension as to how such a thing could happen in Northern Ireland. My sincerest condolences to the long suffering families whose members were killed and maimed. May they find peace, hope and love in the land God chose to put them.

  • Covenanter

    The nationalist posters who have taken the time to post on this thread deserve high praise. Those who haven’t reveal more about themselves than they can ever imagine.

  • http://gravatar.com/joeharron Mister_Joe

    It’s totally beyond my comprehension how anyone could find it in their hearts to forgive the monsters who carried out this atrocity.
    Gordon Wilson is an incredible man and I hope he finds some comfort in his own decency.

  • Desmond Trellace

    We should not forget Enniskillen and my Afghani acquaintance requests that we should not forget Kundus either: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/one-year-after-the-kunduz-air-strike-no-sign-of-a-full-investigation-a-714532.html

    (By the way, Herr Klein has been promoted recently.)

  • Hopping The Border

    You’d be hard pushed to find any nationalist poster who would offer some sort of qualified justification, let alone any sort of justification for what happened there. A shocking act and rightly condemned all round.

  • babyface finlayson

    As futile as it was tragic.
    Gordon Wilson stays in the memory, and hopefully haunts the memories of those who did it.
    He did more for Ireland than they ever did.

    Desmond Trellace
    I don’t see why you would mention an unrelated event in another part of the world?

  • changeisneeded

    Another sad day in our recent history.
    I don’t like saying this but more bloodshed will occur whilst this place is controlled from London and the blame game continues. The so called peace process is paper thin.

    I’m fucking fed up with this poppy facism bulllshit. this is a divided place .. Poppy wearing shows you are taking sides.
    “Lest we forget”
    Not for me thanks and I will forget and not hold onto hate..

  • Drumlins Rock

    hopping the border,
    it seems you were wrong, changeisneeded even seems to suggest it could ,or even should happen again?, “whilst this place is controlled from London”.

    the rest seem to be lying low.

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    The McGurks Bar book thread got 179 comments…….

  • Submariner

    “The McGurks Bar book thread got 179 comments…….”

    That is perhaps because no one is trying to justify Enniskillen or blame the victims for the atrocity. It was just like McGurks Bar a mass murder carried out by terrorist scum wouldn’t you agree DDB.?

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    That is perhaps because no one is trying to justify Enniskillen or blame the victims for the atrocity?

    I don’t recall that happening on the McGurks thread either.

    Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

  • Desmond Trellace

    “I don’t see why you would mention an unrelated event in another part of the world?”

    “Thou shalt not kill” is a unversal commandment and everything is related.

    Not only should we remember such dire massacres like Enniskillen but also those in which we were involved ourselves (my tax euros paid for Kundus) and which we conveniently ignore or push under the carpet of convenient definition (e.g. “that was war”, “that was different”, “you can’t compare” etc.) If that ever became the case, we might make some progress towards peace on this planet.

  • galloglaigh

    DDB

    I do recall you justifying ‘loyal unionist’ terrorists on the McGurks thread.

    Can you imagine a nationalist or republican coming onto a thread about Enniskillen, and gloating about the IRA? No because Black Cards would be given (even though you were threatened, you carried on regardless, that’s telling). Would Dixie Elliot be given the same lenient treatment? One wonders…

    The events that day were nothing more than blatant sectarian terrorism. No one can justify them. Nor can those condemning them, justify other acts of terrorism. It’s a bit rich for a UVF mouth-piece, or indeed an Orange Order mouth-piece, to be trying to take the moral high-ground on terrorism.

    Events like this, the McGurk’s Bar bombing, or indeed the Ballymurphy Massacre, are tragic reminders of how organisations such as the PIRA, the UVF, and the British army were ready and willing to kill and maim civilians in their sectarian skirmish.

    Sickening…

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    Gallo,

    So Submariner’s claim of ‘That is perhaps because no one is trying to justify Enniskillen or blame the victims for the atrocity’ is incorrect?

  • galloglaigh

    I don’t know DDB, why don’t you ask him. While you’re there, you could answer sub’s question:

    Would you agree that those who attacked McGurk’s, are murdering scumbag terrorists of the same sort that attacked Enniskillen?

    Or do you still believe that loyalist terrorists weren’t terrorists?

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    I don’t want to take this off-topic (and allow Slugger’s green brigade to avoid commenting on the Enniskillen slaughter) but in answer to your question:

    Nationalist paramilitaries carried out acts of terrorism

    Loyalists carried out acts of counter-terrorism

  • galloglaigh

    You’re a hypocrite DDB.

    Loyalists are well documented for having the mentality of ‘any taig’s a target’.

    With people like you on our streets, we’re in for a very dull future.

    No one has avoided anything on this thread. Many of the green brigade have spoken of their abhorrence of this bombing. Many also spoke of the abhorrence of the killing of David Black. I noticed you avoided that thread like the plague. That’s telling…

    So was Jim Peacock killed in a ‘counter-terrorism’ operation just like the McGurk’s victims?

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    McGurks, Sean Graham’s, Greysteel, Loughinisland, Milltown, etc were acts of counter terrorism. They would never have happened had it not been for previous acts of IRA terrorism.

    Anyway, let’s keep this thread about the unprovoked IRA slaughter of elderly pensioners at Enniskillen.

  • galloglaigh

    DDB

    Away under your rock.

    Jesus wept you’re one sick individual.

  • galloglaigh

    So was Jim Peacock killed in a ‘counter-terrorism operation’ just like the McGurk’s victims?

  • Toastedpuffin

    I think DDB and Galloglaigh should get married. They’ve one hell of a lot more in common than they realise.

    Let’s hope the sun is setting on these mind-rotting ideologies and the greiving and injured of Enniskillen can find both peace and justice in the days and years to come.

  • galloglaigh

    DDB

    You talk of the slaughter of elderly pensioners, and how loyalist terrorists were only countering IRA terrorism. How might I ask, can you justify the murder of Matilda Gould, carried out by the CLMC’s mouth-piece Gusty Spence?

  • andnowwhat

    I remember the day but not in any way in like most of the other atrocities. I was raging that such evil was perpetrated in my name and in the name of all those who shared my constitutional position.

    What goes on in the mind of those who did this, Mc Gurk’s, La Mon etc?

    Btw Bleach, what IRA activity was this in revenge for http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15057808 ?

  • babyface finlayson

    Desmond Trellace
    “Not only should we remember such dire massacres like Enniskillen but also those in which we were involved ourselves”
    Well yes, but this is the anniversary of Enniskillen hence the thread and the opportunity to focus on it.
    Bringing in other incidents as you and others have, simply looks like whataboutery and I am sure that was not your intention.

  • Kevsterino

    I wish more people would avail themselves of the thread driven nature of this forum. Since when is a memorial thread a proper place for whataboutery?

    At least it lasted a couple of days without such boneheadery.

  • UserAinm

    I can only speak for myself, I read the op and found it heartbreaking, something about the accounts of those there that day carries a visceral element if you truly try and imagine what it was like, which I try and do although I know it can never really compare.

    I was hesitant to comment on this thread because recently when people have tried to express sympathy or empathy about another recent horrific killing, they have been accused of running with the fox and chasing with the hounds. So when people early in this thread asked why more people hadn’t commented, that is why, for me personally.

  • Mick Fealty

    Kev,

    Hear, hear. Lads if you feel the old Whataboutery nerve twitching, just remember that’s the flight reflex kicking in. I’d add there is nothing we can learn from McGurks if people cannot hold their gaze/attention on Enniskillen for more than five seconds Des, Sub et al. And vice versa DDB!

  • Submariner

    Mick i was attempting to answer a specific point raised by DDB. Meanwhile you continue to allow banned posters to comment on this and other threads without comment. Poor show Mick.

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    “Nationalist paramilitaries carried out acts of terrorism

    Loyalists carried out acts of counter-terrorism.”

    Wow. Mick any chance of slugger maintaining a thread of credibility and carding this?

    Glad to see those who wish to remember being able to. Really sad reading all the links to James McClean’s poppy refusal and the near-Pavlovian response of “disgrace, shame, etc…”

    Do those same people not realise that what was once a genuine solemn act of personal rememberance has now been turned into a cosmetic exercise with more emphasis on looking the part and not attracting any unwanted headlines, and thus being devoid of all meaning whatsoever? Next, people will be mandated to wear a red nose…

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    Charlie Sheens PR guru:
    Wow. Mick any chance of slugger maintaining a thread of credibility and carding this?

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    You want cards handed out when someone makes a comment you disagree with?

    The fact is the vast majority of Loyalist military strikes were in retaliation for unprovoked IRA atrocities. Loyalists also stated throughout The Troubles that their counter-terrorism operations would stop as soon as the IRA halted their religiously-motivated campaign.

    They were true to their word.

  • SK

    The Enniskillen bombing was an apalling act of barbarism. The people who take it upon themselves to fight a war that nobody wants have done more to drive a wedge between the peoples of this island than any supposed ‘foreign aggressor’.

  • galloglaigh

    DDB

    They were true to their word

    And the Shankil exodus of the Adairleone drugs Mafia, the killing of Bobby Moffat, and every other gang-land style hit on their own terrorist criminal elements were what?

    And I’ll put to you again, that you talk of the slaughter of elderly pensioners, and how loyalist terrorists were only countering IRA terrorism. How might I ask, can you justify the murders of Matilda Gould and John Scullion, carried out by the CLMC’s mouth-piece Gusty Spence?

    He commented at the time, going against your counter-terrorism argument, that “if you couldn’t get an IRA man you should shoot a Taig, he’s your last resort”.

    You are taking a big shite over the memory of those killed by terrorists in Enniskillen. Your naked sectarian attitude, and your defence of terrorist organisations who carried out similar sectarian acts, has rendered your arguments on any of these threads null and void.

    You’re the epitome of unionist bigotry and hypocrisy…

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    galloglaigh:And I’ll put to you again, that you talk of the slaughter of elderly pensioners, and how loyalist terrorists were only countering IRA terrorism. How might I ask, can you justify the murders of Matilda Gould and John Scullion, carried out by the CLMC’s mouth-piece Gusty Spence?

    One can only presume the UVF activities of May/June 1966 were in response to the upsurge in IRA activity and recruitment in the early part of that year. Let’s not forget hundreds of protestant families were evacuated from their homes along the border over Easter weekend 1996 and the entire border was sealed because of credible IRA threats to mount an ‘invasion’ from the South to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the 1916 mutiny.

    The IRA were also recruiting heavily in the Belfast area – Martin Meehan, anyone?

    You are taking a big shite over the memory of those killed by terrorists in Enniskillen.

    I’m merely replying to other comments. I have asked on numerous occasions for people to stay on-topic.

    Your naked sectarian attitude, and your defence of terrorist organisations who carried out similar sectarian acts, has rendered your arguments on any of these threads null and void.

    I’ve never made a ‘naked sectarian’ comment in my life. Take a look through my post history and see for yourself.

  • galloglaigh

    So the UVF’s counter-terrorism, in the light of IRA recruitment, is to murder an elderly pensioner, and several innocent Catholics. That then leads to the ‘lifting’ at random of ‘taigs’, and cutting them up like lambs; their broken and bloodied bodies scattered across the Shankil. Scattered and bloodied like the bodies in Enniskillen.

    Now, can you put some meat in the bap, in regards to evacuations and borders being sealed off? Remember rules 1 and 2: Provide evidence to back up your points, and stay clear of anecdotal stories if you can’t prove them.

    And never forget rule 6: Don’t let bitterness, personal feelings, and bigotry cloud your judgement…

    Now let this thread be about Enniskillen, and not about you and your terrorist, drug-dealing, and racketeering comrades!

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    Leave it Galloglaigh,

    A lot of sluggerites here have decided already that there is little to be got from debating this cretan and have stopped addressing him months ago.

    They merely look to our politburo chairman Fealty for some basic standards in moderation when people like this, on rememberance day, praise the UVF for shooting a granda in the back, or painstakingly produce an IRA kill sheet complete with sectarian scorecard.

  • Fried Young Cannibal

    Gordon Wilson sure shamed the Provos over this even more by his reaction, and that is saying something. But the bombers then were like the murderers of David Black now: there is no talking sense to them.

  • galloglaigh

    You’re right Charlie. I’ve made that decision more than once, but this time I’ll heed your advice. Let’s hope the powers that be do likewise!

  • andnowwhat

    I think Gordon Wilson showed how much more powerful meaningful words are than tick box condemnation.

  • Covenanter

    Submariner

    DDB

    Galloglaigh

    Shameful diversions. Enniskillen stands on its own. It doesn’t need any comparisons.

  • PeterBrown

    galloglaigh “Now let this thread be about Enniskillen”

    It’s too late for that already lthough i do agree that DDB’s revisionism about loyalists (sic) should not go unchallenged there is a time and a place and this was not it – it should be noted I think that he was the only one trying to justify McGurks with the counterterrorism myth and that to the best of my recollection not even he sought to blame the victims…

    Back on topic I am old enough to remember Enniskillen vividly and 25 years later as a aprent could not comment more eloquently than my 8 and 6 year olds reactions to the Songs of Praise programme which we have just watched over Sunday dinner. their entirely understandable reaction to a bomb in a town they visited during the summer on our way home from our family holiday in Galway via Marble Arch Caves was “Why did somebody want to kill people at a remembrance service?” to which there is and can be no credible response other than “Because there are evil people in the world – people like thbose who shot that prison officer last week” having past the scene of that crime on our way to Armagh Planetarium last weekend. it is a damning indictment of a small but vociferous and beliigerent minority in our province that only rarely do I have a fmaily day out where I do not pass the some of dastardly deed over the last 30 years whether that be on the Main Street on Portrush on our way to Barrys, the Red Archat Cushendall on our trips round the spectacular Antrim Coast Road with the grave of the policeman murdered there visible from our own house, or passing Byrnes pub and the Ramble Inn every time we travel to Belfast. I would be bitter against those reponsible fro all of those atrocities until I watch again the interview with gordon Wilson by Chris Moore – I thought it an incredible interview at the time and as a parent myself now 25 years later I find it more so.
    As a Christian I find it the personification of the gospel and reinforciment of my own faith and on a day we remember those who fought and in some cases died in war it is all the more appropriate that we never forget the innocents who who were taken from their families out of the blue 25 years ago in Enniskillen and yet this man genuinely prayed that very night for those who had snacthed away his pride and joy- as yet accepted it as part of a bigger plan which ultimately brought us the measure of peace we now have. I defy anyone, especially a prent of a dughetr who is the apple of their eye, to watch the link at 3.44 and listen to Gordon Wilson talk about holding his daughter’s hand as her life ebbed away without tears (I have cried each of the 3-4 times I have heard it this week) and then to hear him say later in this interview that he has no bitterness and say that religion is the root of our problems here….it is not religion but a perversion of it.

  • PeterBrown
  • Dont Drink Bleach

    Peter, I have never tried to justify McGurks.

    I wish people on this site would read what is actually in front of them – instead of what they want to read.

    Now, for the last time, let’s keep this on topic.

  • PeterBrown

    “McGurks, Sean Graham’s, Greysteel, Loughinisland, Milltown, etc were acts of counter terrorism. They would never have happened had it not been for previous acts of IRA terrorism.”

    1. reasonable grounds for complaint, defence, etc.
    2. the act of justifying; proof, vindication, or exculpation

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    Apologies Peter, by ‘justify’ I thought you meant ‘defend’ or ‘agree with’ which I would/did not.

    Justify it I did – but I condemn the McGurks bomb unreservedly.

    Sorry for the mix-up.

  • ForkHandles

    “Gordon Wilson sure shamed the Provos over this even more by his reaction, and that is saying something. But the bombers then were like the murderers of David Black now: there is no talking sense to them.”

    a more honest and decent comment its hard to find.

  • Davy McFaul

    “Nationalist paramilitaries carried out acts of terrorism
    Loyalists carried out acts of counter-terrorism.”

    I wonder what act of terrorism the UVF were countering in 1992 when a number of it’s members lured twenty six year old Catholic mother of two, Ann Marie Smyth, from the Hillfoot Glentoran Supporter’s Club to a house party in the Cregagh estate and subsequently strangled her and slashed her throat?

    Or what ‘nationalist paramilitary’ atrocity the countered in 1994 when the UVF’s wee brother the Red Hand Commandos took 31 year old Margaret Wright to a side room of a band hall in south Belfast and beat her to a bloodied pulp before shooting her four times in the head just because they mistakenly thought she was a Catholic?

    DR, I’m sorry to go off topic on such an inexcusably horrendous inhuman barbarity that was Enniskillen but that kind of bollocks above really should be challanged.

  • Dont Drink Bleach

    Davy McFaul:

    I wonder what act of terrorism the UVF were countering in 1992 when a number of it’s members lured twenty six year old Catholic mother of two, Ann Marie Smyth, from the Hillfoot Glentoran Supporter’s Club to a house party in the Cregagh estate and subsequently strangled her and slashed her throat?

    Having a look through ‘Lost Lives’ I can only presume it was in retaliation for the equally despicable Nationalist murder of protestant schoolboy Andrew Johnson the previous week.

    However, it was not a killing ordered by any senior level within the UVF and only one of those involved was actually a member, so, using your logic, the IRA are to blame for every single action all of it’s members have ever taken part in (eg. child rape, drug dealing, wife beating, etc). Am I right?

    Or what ‘nationalist paramilitary’ atrocity the countered in 1994 when the UVF’s wee brother the Red Hand Commandos took 31 year old Margaret Wright to a side room of a band hall in south Belfast and beat her to a bloodied pulp before shooting her four times in the head just because they mistakenly thought she was a Catholic?

    Of course, if you had followed the trial you would be aware that she was mistaken for former IRA prisoner Marie Wright (also previously targeted by the UDA using a booby-trapped box of chocolates on Valentines Day) and was killed in a tragic case of mistaken identity.

    Also, two of those involved were killed themselves by the UVF and RHC and the rest were ordered to plead guilty at trial and ostracised by Loyalists within the prison system.

    Not exactly a ‘UVF killing’ as you would like everyone to believe.

  • Greenflag

    No more Enniskillens . Irish Taoiseach Kenny and Tanaiste Gilmore did the right thing in attending both the Enniskillen commemoration and the WWI wreath laying ceremonies .

    August 2014 will be the 100th anniversary of the beginning of WW1 and Sept 2014 the 75th anniversary of part two of WWI . We’ve come close to part three several times in the last 50 years .It’s been by great good luck and having the right people in power in the nuclear power countries that the planet has avoided the extinction of humanity on the only planet that we know of where life has established itself and even evolved to a modest level of consciousness of it’s existence and it’s place on a planet which could get by very well without us .

    ..

  • galloglaigh

    The Shankill Butcher’s were brave soldiers. Ever heard the term terrorism leads to barbarism?

    The Shankill road UVF during the late ’60s and early ’70s (precedent setters for future UVF terrorist drug mafia’s), were nothing more than sectarian serial killers. They thrived in being up to their necks in Fenian blood. The only tragedy for loyalist sectarian serial killers, as outlined in your last post, was that some innocent Prods were taken for ‘taigs’.

    If people looked at the World through your warped mind, some might come to the conclusion, that the Shankill road bomb was justification for decades of sectarian serial killings by UVF terrorists.

    Away under your rock again, and pray someone stands on it!

  • galloglaigh

    And I’m the one with the yellow card.

    That’s just marvellous. Sure just give me a Black Card and I’ll come in as a new poster. Start as you mean to go on eah!

  • Ruarai

    Thanks for posting this DR.

    The Enniskillen Remembrance Service bombing was more than a brutal, murderous crime. It was a provocation to wider society; an incitement to self-immolation and self-destruction. Wider society did not plunge down that road never to return. For that, we owe no little debt to Gordon Wilson.

    That the bombers imagined themselves as engaged in an act of patriotism while bombing Enniskillen, attacking its people – their own neighbours – while, unmissably, committing a sectarian assualt on a whole tradition, condemns aspects of the nature of patriotism in Ireland in ways that cannot and should not be avoided.

    Thankfully, in contrast and opposition to the “patriotism” of the bombers, we experienced the humanity of Gordon Wilson.

    See Mr Wilson’s breathtaking response to the bombing here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20257328

    To react to an atrocity against his community, his neighbours, his traditions, his person, an atrocity that stole his daughter at the start of her life – a life committed to caring for people – with words of clam, graceful forgiveness – there can have been few more stark contrasts in actions and attitudes.

    Wilson was measured, empathetic, humane, incomprehensively forgiving and, above all, desperately needed by his wider society. The contrast he drew at that moment is more than any one person should ever have to do.

    It’s worth remembering too that his words were not lost. That spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation and humble attempts to begin to understand the infuriating and dangerous gave rise to The Spirit of Enniskillen Trust, a remarkable project that has attempted to keep that spirit of fostering understanding and reconciliation alive in the years since the bombing. Here it is:
    http://www.soetrust.org/

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    Galloglaigh,

    Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago, and a certain poster got me yellow-carded for doing what you just did, and got nothing for being the instigator.

    If you do get a black card, you might as well not come back and head to one of the plethora of spin-off blogs setting up and gathering steam as a result of the painfully low standards set over the past couple of months.

  • Reader

    Charlie Sheens PR guru: Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago, and a certain poster got me yellow-carded for doing what you just did, and got nothing for being the instigator.
    As it is in the real world, so it is on Slugger. Just because you are engaged in tit-for-tat doesn’t mean you can escape moral responsibility for your *own* actions.

  • galloglaigh

    True Reader, but it’s the escaping of moral responsibility by others on this site, that, like Charlie highlights, that lowers the standard of Slugger. I’ve been keeping an eye on P.ie the last few weeks, and the standards are on par in terms of certain posters.

  • tacapall

    The Enniskillen bombing was a barbaric act that can never be justified and why no-one has ever been brought to account for carrying out the atrocity is just as disturbing. The more we learn about the past actions of those who govern us today and those who governed then the more we realise we were all pawns in a game of political chess by people who cared little for us as fellow countrymen/women, citizens or human beings.

    Congratulations Mick, you have managed to allow this forum to become a depository for sectarian bigots dumped from other less reputable forums who are somehow able to justify the murder of their fellow countrymen while at the same time condemning others who they suppose is their enemy. When are you going to grow a pair of balls Mick and bring a bit of respectability back to this site ?

  • Reader

    galloglaigh: True Reader, but it’s the escaping of moral responsibility by others on this site, that, like Charlie highlights, that lowers the standard of Slugger.
    I have been offended by DDB’s defence of loyalist murders on this very thread. His behaviour on this thread also shows gross disrespect to the victims of the Enniskillen bomb. And I never imagined that his reverse-whataboutery could even exist as a tactic in a discussion.
    However, none of those is a reason to penalise him on a site where the primary rule is “Play the ball, not the man”. I can see the utility of that rule; but I can see that it allows really intense discussions. This was one of them.

  • tacapall

    “where the primary rule is “Play the ball, not the man”

    That rule is long gone Reader, recently its par for the course for some who when unable to deal with fact or a different point of view leads them to respond with insult. Self censorship obviously is lost on them.

    “I can see that it allows really intense discussions. This was one of them”

    Like the subtle defense of executing two loyalist retards who’s limited intelligence led them to torture and murder a woman because she had a name similar to that of a woman another loyalist faction tried to murder, but the truth of the matter is they would have been alive today if Margaret Wright was an innocent Catholic.

  • Covenanter

    Some spectacular hypocrisy here from a couple of posters who not only specialise in playing the man, but who also specialise at either defending PIRA at every opportunity, or as in this case, by doing their damndest to deflect discussion away from their atrocities. The crocodile tears fool no one either.

  • Kevsterino

    Just for the helluvit, how about when the obvious purpose of a thread is to memorialize those lost and share the suffering of those left behind, we confine ourselves to those two things. But what the hell do I know.

  • Alias

    Could those posters currently venting their collective spleens about the failure of Slugger to persecute other posters whose opinions they disagree with kindly do their venting on another thread? A memorial thread isn’t an appropriate place for a sectarian brawl on p.ie, never mind Slugger.

  • SK

    “Just for the helluvit, how about when the obvious purpose of a thread is to memorialize those lost and share the suffering of those left behind, we confine ourselves to those two things. But what the hell do I know.”

    _____

    That’s how it should be done.

    There is nothing lower than whataboutery, particularly when it rears its head in a thread like this.

  • BluesJazz

    The Sinn Fein leadership (then and now) were actively involved in this attack. They approved it. So SF voters must know this. Hence the lack of engagement here. But they still were proud of their ‘volunteers’ on the ‘act of resistance’ against the non-Catholic population..hence no prosecutions.
    And the provo ‘furher’ who gave the order is now in China with his best mate, so it goes.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Dear Commentators,

    I would like to thank those who have contributed in the spirit of the thread, whatever background they come from. Others have raised valid points, but they are better kept for another time, maybe soon.

    Sadly, but not unexpectedly, some have revealed a side to human nature that would make you dispair. I have not actively moderated the thread, ( left that up to Mick, sorry for that ) but will let them speak for themselves this time.

    The attack remains one of the worst, it should be remembered, and even today continually condemned unreservedly, like many others, otherwise we risk going back there.

    That is why we should never forget.

  • Desmond Trellace

    “That the bombers imagined themselves as engaged in an act of patriotism while bombing Enniskillen,..”

    If the way the Enniskillen bomb actually happened was the intention of the bombers, then they are nothing but sectarian murderers (and not true republicans).

  • Red Lion

    Desmond

    so planting a bomb can be fine then.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    50 years ago 5 IRA terrorists blew themselves up with their own bomb on there way to bomb a target in Northern Ireland here is what Sinn Fein MLA Gerry Kelly tweeted

    Gerry Kelly @GerryKellyMLA
    Great attendance at the Edentubber Martyrs memorial today to remember 5 IRA Volunteers who died there on 11th Nov 1957 RIP #fb

    Apparently there will be a new website and DVD devoted to these terrorists.

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/22444

    Good to see Kelly doesn’t forget.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Sorry that should be 55 years ago.