Wither Robinson’s catholic outreach as DUP Leader stands with UVF Famine Song band
In what has clearly been a well choreographed move, unionist politicians, Loyal Orders’ representatives and loyalist flute bands have united to condemn the Parades Commission on the day loyalist bands decided to openly breach the Parades Commission determination regarding a controversial loyalist parade past St Patrick’s Church on Donegall Street in Belfast.
The decision of Peter Robinson to sign the letter- published in the Irish News (p6) today- is noteworthy given that the DUP Leader is on record as claiming to want to spread unionism’s message beyond the confines of the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist community.
Quite how Peter expects to so do whilst taking such a public stand in favour of the sectarian bigots in the Young Conway Volunteers Flute Band who were captured playing The Famine Song outside of St Patrick’s Church (before loyalists attacked the cameraman) is perhaps something that someone in the media might get around to asking the First Minister.
Given that the YCV band was banned from taking this route, can we now expect a series of arrests and charges?
Re Peter’s link ,
What kinda celebration needs riot police ?
at 2.00 mins I saw a few bootles been thrown from the far side of the rd ( irish nats as Lamhdearg would say ) at 2.30 mins the bottles are thrown back by the marchers , all the while the near side of the rd has ” community workers” playing to the camera with the ” who can clap the hardest 2012 ” competition and last but certainly not least ….at 5.00 mins for 40 secs we have the bananarama comeback trio with their clenched fists ( ?) …. mortified !!
Wise up, lamhderg. Your repeated comparison of “apples with oranges” is wearying. And not for the first time. Both are wrong as everyone except you seems to agree.
Sinn Fein should get off the back of working class protestants and stop embarrassing them about their intolerance and ignorance.
we are all on a journey together, change is a slow process so it would seem by today’s events.
Hello joe, (i will never get tired of that one)
“Both are wrong as everyone except you seems to agree.”
the press and the police have not reported the attack seen in peters link, thats the differance, let me put it in simple terms, if I punched you, and the police only where interrested in what you did in responce, and only punished you for what you did,and you then read lots of folks tut tuting you for what you did (not what i did, just what you did) you would probably be as fucking pissed of as i am right now.
“there’s no point expecting the parades commission to have an impact and influence on loyalist behaviour”
Is there not two members of the Orange Order on the parades commission the very same commission who determined the restrictions on the parade.
there could well be, but the orange order are not kick the pope bands.
Calm down, lamhdearg. You cannot be punished for acting in self defence.
listen i just feel singling out such bands and all is too easy given the circumstances and as others have said it clearly isn’t political unionism and it shouldn’t be made out that way.
it’s just too easy to poke fun, let’s try and lead not embarrass.
Sinn Fein is supposed to be in support of the working class regardless of background, it needs to be careful not to make dicks out of these people, even though most would agree with SF about the behaviour etc.
and when SF do make dicks out of these folk it does hurt, usually drives them into the NF.
Am I missing something. Surely it all kicked of at 1.54 on the video when someone attempted to grab the banner from the protesters?
Protestors (dissys or everyday irish nats?) have breached the parades com, ORDERS, by not holding a peaceful protest, but instead attacking the parade and the police with bottles and bricks, the psni and the bbc and utv news, have chosen to ignore this, they, (psni, msm,) instead only have eyes for peaceful breaches of parades com orders made by those on parade.
This was my first comment on this thread, its as true now ten hours later, as it was then, I have been round the houses with it, many have took issue, but its is the facts, nothing has changed irish nats attack parades, the press and psni dress it up otherwise, the parades com put more restrictions on the parades. this circle will continue untill something snaps, I hope me and mine are not about when this happens.
You would think on an island with around 5 million irish that the v small milieu of working class – albeit rough behaving – protestants could be worked with rather than embarrassed and humiliated over behaviour, given it is an island of catholicism and irish culture, on the whole.
let’s lead to change, not embarrass and point score.
it’s all too easy and i reckon it is a form of offensiveness in itself by the dominant culture. largely middle class culture.
When in doubt start to threaten people …. is that it lamhdearg ?
ulick, yes you are missing the something, the banner is pulled down from behind, there are only irish nats behind the banner, pulled down as they surged forward?.
ALAN LUNDY & WINKIE IRVINE ;http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/alan-lundy-winkie-irvine.html
DC ,
of course it’s the middle classes ( when isn’t it ) . Do you not see all the umbrellas and golf sweaters worn by the marchers …
No i don’t actually.
mark, nooooooooooo.
DC, you are very poor at goading.
Paedophile priests practice their child rape inside these establishments………..hardly a murmur.
Sloop Jon B,played outside one of these establishments………….our nat/rep chums go apoplectic ?
I’m no supporter of any dopey parades. haven’t got a clue what they are ‘demonstrating’ about. But PLEASE stop taking this never ending whinging to even higher Olympian heights.
Rangers fans sing at celtic fans…”The famines over,why don’t you go home ” ?
celtic fans sing back……..” You’ll never beat the irish ”
Rangers fans reply…….” This is Scotland,ye FUDS “.
celtic fans couner with …..” Up the ra”.
Rangers fans counter the counter with….” Ayeee,they Ran Away “.
Meanwhile,back in,’I would walk ten thousand miles’ (to be offended)Land,,the usual suspects are,(guess what),offended.
*I pour myself another Aberlour,light a Benson and Hedges,and return to Betfair,safe in the knowledge,that in twenty years time,this same old,same old,will still be getting kicked to death !!
Goodnight,and may your gawd go with you
I was …….it doesn’t matter .
And when a repeat march is denied next year because of this year’s mass defiance of the PC ruling, it will be a clear demonstration, of course, that lawbreaking marchers and their lovely bands have become the Most Oppressed People Ever.
SF and its style of nationalism and criticism towards loyalism is akin to middle class public management of the working class generally, it is similar to the criticism by public managers of the working class diet and of working class families and in general working class culture.
f**king patronising and stating the f**king obvious to many, except to those it should actually be encouraging to change their ways. therefore it is a bit pointless.
DC, you are very poor at goading.
I ain’t goading pal, i’m being serious, sorry to disappoint.
“You would think on an island with around 5 million irish that the v small milieu of working class – albeit rough behaving – protestants could be worked with rather than embarrassed and humiliated over behaviour, given it is an island of catholicism and irish culture, on the whole.”
Where,oh where do they get them ??
long time no see A.R., on slugger or on the telly, you can tell us, have they (GARCIA) put a press ban on ye.
Just noticed 8 comments in the last month (I have been away), good to see you back.
joe this march (the last sat) will be somewhere else next year. Of course when the parades com decide (should they still be about) to collectively punish, then it will be a clear demonstration, that non irish nat marchers and their lovely bands have become the Most Oppressed People Ever.
@lamhdearg2 “the banner is pulled down from behind”
Nonsense.
Yer honours, those bands wot broke the law had nothing to do wiv us. Honest! They just appeared from nowhere are started playing in the middle of us. Shurely you’re not going to punish us innocent marchers for the misdeeds of others.
freeze the picture at 1:53 then 1:54 then 1:55, no hand/arm is to be seen.
(Heinz – Кёнигсберг Калининград
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zw3qMovzWQ )
One wonders why they is so much ado about giving law making powers to Brussels, when Ulsters laws are apparently set out by a five man/woman unelected quango.
@lamhdearg2
You’re on a beaten docket with this. It’s obvious the banner is pulled down by loyalists. In addition, freeze the video at 2.08 to see the first missile thrown (by loyalists) – coming in from top left of the screen.
http://www.sdlp.ie/index.php/newsroom_media/newsarticle/maginness_on_parades_commission_breaches_where_is_love_thy_neighbour/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
And I seem to remember much weeping and gnashing of teeth on this very website about the failure of unionist politicians to condemn what happened on the Twelfth – but when the boots on the other foot what happens? Alban only sees one side at fault…
The banner is clearly pulled forward by someone in front of it, and this is what kicks the trouble off. Bit of an own goal for whoever posted it.
I took a nosey down when the parade was coming home and came home totally depressed. Baying mobs on both sides of the police lines hurling vile abuse at each other. Supposedly religious men jigging up the street with their middle fingers aloft, shouting ‘fenian b@stards’, while on the other side the behaviour and language was equally bad. There was some attempts by stewards on the nationalist side to stop the abuse but there were few cool heads. Visceral hatred masquerading as culture/standing up for your rights.
Our time, our place.
Ulick
The protestors are behind a police cordon – presumbly a loyalist with an invisibility cloak borowed from harry Potter slipped between the phalanx of police officers and pulled it down rather than it collapsing under the weight of the protestors behind it surging forward – you conveniently ignore it starting to go at the far end of the banner at 1.52 as presumably as has happened at Ardoyne in recent years the staewrds struggle to keep the protestor genie in the bottle….
@PeterBrown
I’m sorry Peter but the video doesn’t hold up to your insinuation. But sure, that’s all besides the point anyhow, the RBP and their followers deliberately breached the PC ruling and in so doing wilfully incited breach of the peace. I’m sure you will welcome the PSNI prosecuting all those involved in this act of lawlessness.
Sure thing Ulick
Lots of prosecutions will happen.Ha.
Maybe a few people will get cautioned (horrors!)
Shocking that the parades commission are (perhaps) going to ruin peoples lives by giving them a PSNI *please don’t do it again* . I doubt it will even come to that.
PC expenses and ‘community representatives’ will get a nice Autumn bonus. trebles all round.
The video is edited about 2 minutes in when it all kicks off. All you can see is the banner getting torn down and then the video jumps after which there is a ruckus and then missiles get thrown from the loyalist side and then some get thrown from the nationalist side and then the band and supporters start clapping and cheering louder.
But of an own goal for the producer of this evidence. He should send it to the police
“I’m sorry Peter but the video doesn’t hold up to your insinuation.”
How does it not Ulick? Which insinuation do you specifically take issue with and where is your evidence? Interesting I assume the protestors had cameras too but there’s no rebuttal from them yet….
Lionel – if it is edited I can’t see the join but again be more specific about when and I’ll look at it again frame by frame.
Finally let me say that I still think what happened on the Twlefth was wrong although there was no specific breacn of a detemination and therefore can be no prosecution for the band playing and I think that preventing that band marching in Donegall Street yesterday was a proportionate response to that incident. The other coonditions may have been a little OTT but for us (and I include myself in this to the extent that I am a rank and file member of both OO and RBP) it was a self inflicted wound. Howvever the orders in Belfast have once again by their failure to abide by the ethos of both orders and yesterday the specific rules of the RBP (at my preceptory yesterday at the request of HQ I believended of a rule which in essence prevented bands in engaging in loud drumming) let the rural members who paraded yesterday without incident down. A virtually secular element tail of a religious organisation is being allowed to wag the dog and both organisations need to deal with this.
having said that it was interesting to note that the residents too breached the dteremination on their protest (no condemnation fromtheir side of the hosue at all ), why was St Patricks open this time when everyone on this site was so adamant in July that it lways had to be closed locked and essentially in siege mode every time a parade went pastand the fact that the DCAL minister was present and condemning sectarianism when she still has had nothing to say about boxing (and neither has this website) and similar behaviourin terms of breaches of PC Guidelines by Republican parades outside protestant churches in North Belfast and eslewhere has not escaped my notice.
Both sides are trying to have their cake and eat it again and that’s not possible for either side…I have pointed it out for PUL’s is anyone prepapred to do the same for the other side of the house?
There is none so blind as those that will not see.
not a loyalist within 5FT of the banner,
“The video is edited about 2 minutes in when it all kicks off”
Lionel, plase press pause at this point, and report to us what time precisely.
“doing wilfully incited breach of the peace.”
ulick, hmm, thats ok then? too attack people , physically attack those in breach of parade com rulings, a given, understandable?.
So the Two Minute Hate goes on, and on, without recourse to a timepiece. From within their trench nationalists throw brickbats towards the other side, without once casting their gaze left or right along their lines to see what members of their own tribe are up to.
Let’s be clear Orangeism and unionism do not exist to placate those that are opposed to them. Constant attacks and caricaturing all of them as only setting shoe leather on a road in order to offend Catholics will ultimately do no one much good.
The sectarian bile, the use of words such as “stupid”, “knuckle daggers” etc, simply plays to the worst stereotypes unionists have of nationalists as intolerant and only interested in destroying, or at best severely curtailing PUL culture.
This is underscored by gleefully triumphalist headlines about “marching into the past”. Exactly playing to the Protestant folk memory of how elements of their culture south of the border were hounded out of the public space and are now confined to a beach in County Donegal.
As an aside to reference the original incident outside the church, is it not interesting to note that the (faux) outrage about this ‘desecration’ is voiced by posters who on other days are only too comfortable insulting religious people by their fundamentalist atheistic comments about ‘Sky Fairies’ and such like?
Meanwhile in Dublin a bunch of elderly men commemorating the RIC dead of almost 100 years ago are hounded by a gang of militant nationalists cat-calling abuse. Strangely no concerns by nationalist posters of this activity at a consecrated burial ground.
So there we have it. The nationalist vision of an ‘Ireland of Equals’ [sic] will require one tribe to step back, shut up and adhere to a nationalist dictat of how it will be allowed to express itself.
Welcome to Ireland. Home of the Millenium of Hate.
lamhdearg:
the press and the police have not reported the attack seen in peters link, thats the differance
The BBC article you link to talks of a “scuffle” and says “A spokesperson for the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said officers came under attack by people throwing stones and bottles.” (although they do not attribute blame for who was doing the throwing).
It seems that your expectation is that the media should focus on a small group throwing a small number of bottles and ignore the mass, and flagrant, breach of a determination by the Parades Commission which is likely to have serious long term consequences. That expectation is not reasonable.
If the bands had chosen to obey the law I would be here on slugger supporting their right to continue marching in accordance with the determination, and I rather suspect the main news item would be about any consequential nationalist disorder. Instead, unionism, loyalism and the RBP united to defy the law and as such we have a much more significant development.
As a consequence of what happened yesterday it is now likely that there will be a permanent ban on marches going along Clifton Street – not as a consequence of the nationalist bottle-throwing, but as a consequence of the band’s failure to obey the law. I would be supportive of such a ruling on the grounds that breaches of the law and the authority of the courts (the Parades Commission is a judicial body) cannot be tolerated. I do hope that both yourself and Peter agree.
I would also highlight at the moment that all the threats about violence and other consequences are emanating from unionism. This dovetails neatly with Jeffrey Donaldson’s comments on the Nolan show a week or so ago that loyalist paramilitaries should not be the first priority for the authorities. The word “convenient” was used earlier – it is indeed extremely convenient that a fully armed and intact UDA and UVF are present in order to give weight to the threats unionist politicians are drawing attention to.
Lamhdearg,
That must have been a jolt in the way it loaded last night. It doesn’t look edited when I watched it this morning.
It’s clear that the taking down of the banner is the cause. Everyone runs towards it and then the loyalists supporters run across en masse through the parade to get into the action. The loyalists started throwing missiles. I counted 4 going into the nationalist crowd and two coming back
It is poor form to have the DUP leader so closely associated with this, Nelson McCausland doesn’t surprise me.
DC Al that time spent at a GAA match, and statesman-like speeches by Robbo, gone to waste. Why did he bother?
I’ve no idea, I really don’t think supporting these types of things has much import and impact on the mainstream, non-orange types, and of course catholics voters!
However, i suppose the DUP could be going back to its roots and there is something comforting about that as that’s what the DUP was all about prior to 2007 and you always knew where the DUP stood. Maybe Jim Allister will rejoin.
I would be supportive of such a ruling on the grounds that breaches of the law and the authority of the courts (the Parades Commission is a judicial body) cannot be tolerated. I do hope that both yourself and Peter agree.
And if protestors breach the guideliens does the same apply (Ardoyne for example?)
if not and the law is not applied equally how can we agree? Other than that I have already agreed that the OO and RBP in Belfast to the extent that they were complicit in both these issues should face consequences as should the bands in question but it has to go both ways as well….
comrade I see the parades com and its rullings as the problem, I believe that if the law (parades com?)faced up to the irish nat protests with the same vigor to which they apply to loyal orders,I may feel differantly, countless times protesters have stoned bottled spat on and abused marchers, yet the next year that parade is curtailed and the protest is not, or even worse the protest is given more freedom, so a short answer is no I do not agree, and for the above reason.
Sorry: didn’t get the irony of the headline’s wither/whither pun until now.
Does anyone have any theories on where the next invented ‘flashpoint’ will be by the way?
Malcolm,
I wondered about that. Subtle.
“There is none so blind as those that will not see.
not a loyalist within 5FT of the banner,”
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Lamhdearg,
I think it’s fair to say that you stand well and truly corrected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1tji00ORaE&feature=player_embedded#!
Watch the man in blue.
What a clever republican swindle. Disguise an agent provocateur as a loyalist and get him to start a riot. He even fooled the loyalists. Bet you he got a lot of free drinks in Ardoyne or wherever last night.
please see my responce on chris donnellys other thread.
Why didn’t the OO defy the PC over ardoyne on the 12th instead of making this defiant gesture on RBP time? Why did they meekly turn up in Ardoyne on the Parades bodies instruction then? The screwq is tightening on the OO. The old days are well and truly gone and the ‘croppies’ aren’t lying down any more. The Parades Commision now decide where and when the bigots march. The game is well and truly up for the OO. Thank Christ.
What have the Orange Order got to do with yesterdays events?
It was an RBP parade.
You know the difference, right?
Actually Fergie Pie, I don’t.
Membership of the OO is a pre-requisite for membership of the RBP so they must share an awful lot of DNA
Asides from which, given Saturdays display, one group of Loyalists in Sergeant Pepper gear, with paramilitary linked bands and their morbidly obese camp followers does look awfully like….well, you know the rest.
“Does anyone have any theories on where the next invented ‘flashpoint’ will be by the way?”
Hard to call the ” marching season”on the Prod side is effectively over
Fergie Pie
“What have the Orange Order got to do with yesterdays events?
It was an RBP parade.
You know the difference, right?”
You have got to admire the ability to split hairs here.
It was during an OO parade that the band showed its true colours, the OO done nothing about it.
The RBP are closely linked to the orange. Same Bands same beliefs same attitude, same bigotry.
The confrontation was organised during a RPB parade and I think it is safe to assume that those organising the parade knew what was going to Happen.
Of course no doubt soon someone will use the phrase decent law abiding marchers/OO/RBP or some other self serving nonsense and i don’t doubt that there are those who will peddle the line that the whole thing was a trap set by those cunning taigs and the only mistake made by the marchers was to fall for it (I believe this is called the “it’s not my fault the big boys made me do it” line) one thing is sure you can bet that the UL ( I don’t use the p for protestant as I know many prods disgusted by Saturdays antics) community will go super mope to explain this one.
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“Does anyone have any theories on where the next invented ‘flashpoint’ will be by the way?”
Hard to call the ” marching season”on the Prod side is effectively over”
I believe this is called the “it’s not my fault the big boys made me do it” line.
Those bloody taigs they made that group of nice young bandsmen march in a circle outside a Catholic Church and play sectarian tunes, then they made them defy the law, a few weeks later and good lord the fenians even got the unionist politicians and terror groups to join in.
Grow up please have you any idea how stupid such mopery sounds.
Has the Justice Minister made a statement yet explaining why his department and the PSNI who had prior warning the parades commission determinations were not going to be obeyed, did nothing but stand back and watch along with members of the government while the Orange institutions once again brought the integrity of the assembly and the impartiality of the PSNI into question.
Well, the banner snatcher has been charged. No link on the BBC site yet but they are reporting that he is loyalist from Glasgow who travels over here about 3 times a year to take part in parades
Fergie Pie.[3.34]
Why did you even bother posting that hairsplitting garbage. You know well that the same bigots follow both of the orders so if you can’t address the question stay away from the keyboard to avoid showing yourself up. Same band, same bigots following it.
The unionist paper editors in thir puff pieces [BT and NL], chose this morning to ignore the lawbreaking and flaunting by their friends in the loyal orders and both put up edirtorials about Neil Armstrong, what he’s got to do with anything in this colony, is a mystery. They should give up editorials completely as they’ve been found out.
CM
“I believe this is called the “it’s not my fault the big boys made me do it” line.
Those bloody taigs they made that group of nice young bandsmen march in a circle outside a Catholic Church and play sectarian tunes, then they made them defy the law, a few weeks later and good lord the fenians even got the unionist politicians and terror groups to join in.
Grow up please have you any idea how stupid such mopery sounds.”
Baffled by above CM —As far as I am concerned it was simple statement of fact The prod marching season is (as far as I am aware) over So again ( as far as I am aware) there will be no set piece opportunities to offend/be offended until next year. (Pedantry is a big failing I know)
” He is a loyalist from Glasgow who travels over here ” ……..
Could he not get a ticket for the Bewrick Rangers game ?
His barrister says his time in jail has been traumatic for him as his family and he may lose his job if he dosen,t get bail, I say throw the keys away and the same for anyone else involved. Our time Our place what a joke. RBI should hang their heads, Christians ?
He was refused bail. Remanded for 4 weeks, lots of time to reflect on his possible foolishness (if convicted).
His barrister says his time in jail has been traumatic for him and his family and he may lose his job if he dosen,t get bail, I say throw the keys away and the same for anyone else involved. Our time Our place what a joke. RBI should hang their heads, Christians ?
Has the Justice Minister made a statement yet explaining why his department and the PSNI who had prior warning the parades commission determinations were not going to be obeyed, did nothing but stand back and watch along with members of the government while the Orange institutions once again brought the integrity of the assembly and the impartiality of the PSNI into question.
The Justice Minister has no official business here :
- operational policing decisions are a matter for the PSNI itself via the Chief Constable;
- complaints against the police including accusations that they failed to act against a crime in progress are a matter for the Police Ombudsman
- Parades Commission is accountable to the Secretary of State
I almost hesitate to remind you that a key republican demand was that policing would be free of political interference. Any comment by the justice minister on decisions made by the police on the ground concerning arrests etc. would constitute interference.
Kaiser
i think you have hit the nail on the head. The Royal Black says that it is a Christian organisation yet what happened on Saturday seemed to be anti what Christ stands for. I’m a born again Christian and also a unionist but my Christian faith is more important to me than being unionist. This sort of nonsense and bad manners is doing a lot of damage to the work of evangelical Christians who genuinely want to show people the love of God. While I have issues with some of the teachings of the RC church, I believe that their buildings and membership should be respected and this sort of behaviour is wrong. I also struggle with people who are Christian being members of the “loyal orders”. Their first and indeed only loyalty should be to God almighty and his teachings. Love your neighbour as you love yourself.
Unfortunately this island has seen a lot of people who talk the talk but seldom walk the walk regarding respecting their neighbours.
Comrade where would you get it, a Justice Minister in charge of law and order but unable to comment when other members of his government are involved in the breaking of the law or unable to comment when the forces of law and order stand idly by and watch while the law is broken. It really sort of sums up the assembly and its uselessness or maybe it sums up the precarious position David Ford is in.
Alan,
I cannot understand why any organisation let alone one that is supposed to be Christian can justify walking where they are not wanted, what would Christ do, I am not of a religious faith but believe in freedom of expression but not at any cost. Just march where people want it, at the very least talk to the residents, what would Christ do?
“I cannot understand why any organisation let alone one that is supposed to be Christian can justify walking where they are not wanted”
kaiser,
Where exactly does that stop? No parade should take place in any area where there happen to be people who have a sectarian hatred of the people taking part in the parade?
The ironic thing about all of this is that the so called ‘Civil Rights Movement’ of the late sixties insisted that they had the right to march wherever they wanted. The same people who today are reduced to drooling wrecks by the sight of protestant marchers laud those marchers as being whoilly justified in their actions.
Lodger,
Whatever about the civil rights movement, as you say it was in the sixties do you want to repeat the mistakes of history or learn from them. Is your solution to allow any parade to march anywhere and damn the consequence. The RBP are supposed? to be Christian why march where you are not wanted
Sure when Protestants parade in ‘their’ areas like East Belfast, Coleraine and Stoneyford there’s still gurning and MOPEry from the poor oppressed innocent Catholics…
Where can we parade to church without fear of attack???
Where exactly does that stop? No parade should take place in any area where there happen to be people who have a sectarian hatred of the people taking part in the parade?
Or no parade should take place in any area where there happen to be people in the parade who have a sectarian hatred of the host community or their place of worship
kaiser,
Various marches have been banned and restricted since 1998. As soon as one march is banned or restricted the republican hate movement simply shifts its attention onto another one. We now have the ridiculous situation of an empty building being turned into a flash point.
Republicans claim that they want to engage in outreach towards unionists. It is a funny sort of outreach which says that we hate you so much that we have dedicated our lives to trying our very best to disrupt your culture at every available opportunity.
Where will the next contntious flashpoint be located? Past some billboard where a vision has appeared or something? It is getting beyond ridiculous and the moronic Parades Commission is merely serving to make things worse.
“Or no parade should take place in any area where there happen to be people in the parade who have a sectarian hatred of the host community or their place of worship”
kaiser,
How will you determine the thoughts of the marchers vis a vis hatred and how do you manage to work out that an empty building equals a ‘host community’?
Lodger
How will you determine the thoughts of the marchers vis a vis hatred and how do you manage to work out that an empty building equals a ‘host community’?
The band showed their hatred when they marched in a circle outside the church playing “sloop John be” that’s right they didn’t know it was a church’ really. The RBP then compounded the hatred by inviting the band back and facilated them breaking the law (law abiding citizens)
“The band showed their hatred when they marched in a circle outside the church playing “sloop John be” that’s right they didn’t know it was a church’ really.”
kaiser,
The band completely refutes that so it is merely your opinion.
Lodger
The band completely refutes that so it is merely your opinion.
Aye right, what about the bands playing the sash and other sectarian music outside the church last sat as reported in today’s Irish news in defiance of the PC ruling, Fact. YCV marching in defiance of PC ruling Fact.
kaiser,
What is sectarian about the Sash?
Lodger,
You cannot be that niaive, the ruling was no music was to be played passing st Patricks church
kaiser,
I am aware of what the ruling was so how does playing ‘Stand up Christian soldiers’ or indeed ‘the sash’ constitute hatred?
Time everyone just ignored this republican agitator/activist.
Mr Joe,
A rare piece of honesty.
Three cheers to Alan N/Ards(5;14) and to other PUL posters who suggested that the OO just apologize for famine song and carry on.
Looneygas, the band already apologised after the (non) event if it caused any unintended offence.
What we have is an insignificant event, of instrumental music being played in a public street, being intentionally escalated by Republicans, and such escalation blown completely and utterly out of proportion by a stupid and biased media and parades commission.
The paraders were completely and utterly correct to make a stand against the Parades Commission and the an ass of the situation escalated by needlessly facilitating the Republican plan to stir-up more tension. (And as we see Chris Donnelly tries to escalate it even further with his THREE posts).
AyeYer Ma,
Come come – you are being too modest by half! You are giving too much credit to the chuckies, I insist we share it out a wee bit…
In your masterpiece of understatement, I also spotted –
‘insignificant event’ – seven injuries, 3 arrests and untold damage to community relations
‘Instrumental music’ – Yes, most music is instrumental but that’s not quite the whole story is it? I mean, playing ‘May is the month of Mary’ outside a chapel is not quite the same thing as playing the Sash is it now, you naughty tinkers!
‘a public street’ – You must have missed the news, apparently (and stop me if you’ve heard this one) it was outside a church. That’s the problem. Public street? Tip-top. Outside chapel – uh-oh spaghetti-oh!
‘escalated by Republicans’ – Curses! You have seen through the master plan, republicans formed the RBP, organised the march, invited the YCV and –thanks to the secret agent who ripped down the banner – escalated the whole thing. Damn your eyes! With detective skills like this, you’re wasted on here pal.
‘stupid and biased media’ – Yeah, the media caused this whole thing. I think I saw that fella who does the weather after the evening news pegging bricks at the cops. The wee scamp
East Belfast, I believe the short strand is the only issue there,
Coleraine and Stoneyford are new to me perhaps I’m missing something.
FP I think you should know this is not the old NI things have changed if you want to march past Nationalist areas you will have to learn some manners if you don’t learn them we Nationalists expect the state to teach you them, if it doesn’t more and more Nationalists will protest against you,
But I shouldn’t complain the “loyal Orders” have put one more nail in their coffin ,as usual unionism has shown that it is only law abiding when the law suits it,
Could you explain the difference between what happened on sat and what the dissidents got up to in Ardoyne (apart from no nationalist politician standing up and encouraging the disses to break the law) and why you think it is acceptable for bully boys to set out to deliberately offend people .
The Lodger
‘Civil Rights Movement’ of the late sixties insisted that they had the right to march wherever they wanted.
Simply not true, now your just making things up or you are woefully ignorant of history.
“‘Civil Rights Movement’ of the late sixties insisted that they had the right to march wherever they wanted.
Simply not true, now your just making things up or you are woefully ignorant of history.”
Carl Marks,
I suggest that you read up on it. You’ll find that they deliberately selected routes through unionist areas in order to try and provoke a backlash.
The Lodger
Carl Marks,
“I suggest that you read up on it. You’ll find that they deliberately selected routes through unionist areas in order to try and provoke a backlash.”
Care to prove that, i think you are confusing the civil rights movement with the OO,
“Care to prove that, i think you are confusing the civil rights movement with the OO,”
Carl Marks,
I’m surprised that you were not aware of that fact. How would you like me to prove it? For instance do you regard Antrim as being a republican town?
Cackle Daily (profile)
27 August 2012 at 10:12 pm
‘Instrumental music’ – Yes, most music is instrumental but that’s not quite the whole story is it? I mean, playing ‘May is the month of Mary’ outside a chapel is not quite the same thing as playing the Sash is it now, you naughty tinkers!
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What’s your problem with ‘The Sash’?
The Lodger (profile)
27 August 2012 at 11:06 pm
“Care to prove that, i think you are confusing the civil rights movement with the OO,”
Carl Marks,
I’m surprised that you were not aware of that fact. How would you like me to prove it? For instance do you regard Antrim as being a republican town?
I realise that in your desperation to lay the blame for the latest hate fest on the taigs you are reduced to making it up as you go along but two points,
1/ Antrim was and always has been a mixed town,
2/ unrestricted marching was not a demand of the Civil rights movement.
/it’s really funny that someone who support the right of loyalists to march anywhere they want should believe that a Civil rights group that had people from both communities in it was provocative but a group of bigots marching past the people they hate is ok
Carl Marks,
I think you will find that Antrim is and was very much a majority unionist town. I think you will also find that the problem that unionists had with ‘civil rights’ marches was that they were fronted and marshalled by prominent members of the IRA.
Exactly the same complaints in reverse that are being forwarded by modern day republican protestors. You really couldn’t make this shit up.