“RAAD was founded in 2008 by members and recent ex-members of the Provisional IRA in Derry…”

With Republican Action Against Drugs (RAAD) claiming responsibility for recent shootings and threats in anarchic Londonderry, in the Belfast Telegraph Eamonn McCann provides some clarity on the vigilante group’s background.

News reports which have lumped RAAD in with the Real IRA or Continuity IRA are wide of the mark and a source of confusion.

RAAD was founded in 2008 by members and recent ex-members of the Provisional IRA in Derry. It made its ‘debut’ in April the following year, admitting responsibility detonating a pipe bomb at a house in the city.

In its first ‘authorised’ interview, in the Derry Journal in August 2009, the group explained that, “There is absolutely no political agenda within our organisation”. Confirming the group’s provenance in the Provisional IRA, the representative claimed that “rank-and-file members” of Sinn Fein were “fully supportive” of it activities.

Widespread irrational attitudes to drugs are another factor helping sustain RAAD’s activities. It was observed in the same Journal article that, “The organisation is now – rightly or wrongly – considered by many to be at the cutting edge of eradicating drug-dealing in the North West”.

The leaders of mainstream republicanism who played midwife at the birth of RAAD will have seen it as a means of keeping order in the community by cracking down on criminality and ‘anti-social behaviour’, which the PSNI wasn’t yet able to handle.

In this perspective, RAAD, far from being a challenge to the political settlement, has been an ancillary organisation helping prepare the way for the settlement to take hold.

Sinn Fein now seems set to adopt an altogether sharper line against RAAD. Over the past two years, the group has developed a momentum of its own and seemingly deepened that sense of entitlement to impose its will on the community, which has always been a hallmark of republican paramilitaries.

If it isn’t challenging the peace process, RAAD now challenges Sinn Fein’s status and standing in the community to an extent which has begun to alarm local party leaders.

[That’s not in the public interest! – Ed]  Indeed.

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  • PaulT

    Pete, as the interview in the Derry Journal seems to be a bedrock for McCann’s story, thought it useful to provide a link

    http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local/exclusive_interview_with_republican_action_against_drugs_raad_1_2139781

    The interview quotes RAAD as saying

    “The RAAD leadership also confirmed that some of its members have, in the past, been involved in the Provisional IRA. “Some of our members had been members of the IRA, others have not,” said a member of the leadership.

    Its a bit of a leap to get to

    “RAAD was founded in 2008 by members and recent ex-members of the Provisional IRA in Derry…”

    On a different point the interview quotes

    “In relation to Sinn Fein, one of the RAAD leaders claimed that a number of “rank and file” members of the party are fully supportive of their activities, despite “holding the party line when interviewed by the media.””

    yet its reported by McCann (and repeated by you)

    “the representative claimed that “rank-and-file members” of Sinn Fein were “fully supportive” of it activities

    Omission of the the “a number of” bit in the orginal quote, makes it sound much better.

  • http://www.thedissenter.co.uk thedissenter

    Didn’t RAAD have an earlier existance as IRA cover for vigilante activity in Belfast years earlier, or was it a different acronym? Certainly not original. Sticking to form.

  • PaulT

    not quite thedissenter, that was DAAD (Direct Action Against Drugs )

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Against_Drugs

    the ‘see also’ section has a link to the RAAD entry

  • J Kelly

    THe issue here is not who these people were once connected to or not, some of them were also members of the IRSP as was Eamonn McCann, but what are they at now. They are a bunch of self serving criminals who tax alledged drug dealers and criminals and the entire political spectrum in Derry oppose them bar a few dissidents. It only serves their own sense of self importance to keep implying that they are in somewhat republican.

  • Jo

    Drugs are a menace, but beating mutilating and murdering dealers ain’t the answer. Is there evidence that the former and current punishers are themselves involved in dealing?

  • sdelaneys

    J Kelly, are you sure about McCann being a member of the IRSP? I cannot remember that.

  • Donal Davoren

    JKelly McCann was never a member of any Republican grouping and that includes the IRSP you should get your facts right.

    RAAD was indeed set up by SF and by denying it they are denying what everyone in Derry knows as being fact. And at no time were they connected to the IRSP.

    What people should realise is that the PSNI aren’t doing anything to deal with drug dealers nor anti-social scumbags. SF are doing nothing to pressurise the PSNI into doing anything. Therefore people who are being terrorised by these lowlifes have no option but to turn to the vigilantes.

    Those leading the so called groups protesting against RAAD are opportunists, mainly wives or partners of shinners who see the chance of creating jobs for themselves. And there are family members of individuals who are known scumbags also connected to these protest groups. You don’t see any of these people protesting outside the homes of the scum who terrorise our areas by dealing drugs etc.

    People aren’t blind and thats why the protests are always small affairs.

    By all means RAAD are targeting young people who in the main need help rather than being maimed. Those with the placards are only worried about possible funding for their new schemes or their own who are mainly scumbags anyway.

    Answer me this, since the last punishment beatings what have the politicans done or where have they disappeared to. And more so what have the PSNI done to arrest drug dealers?

  • weidm7

    Instead of this moralistic shite, how about we ask some pertinent questions:

    Does the vigilantism work? What are the police doing to enter these areas and deal with the problem of drug-dealing? Are the vigilantes willing to cede the duties of dealing with drug dealers to the police? How do we as a society deal with drug dealing and addiction?

    This is a terrible entry again from Pete Baker, instead of trying to deal with the real issues he continues to try and pin everything on the IRA or Sinn Féin, very dissapointed in Slugger for publishing this stuff.

  • Pete Baker

    “This is a terrible entry again from Pete Baker, instead of trying to deal with the real issues he continues to try and pin everything on the IRA or Sinn Féin, very dissapointed in Slugger for publishing this stuff.”

    That’s disappointed

  • Dixie Elliott

    weidm7 is typical of those who live in the ‘everybody blames it on Sinn Fein land’ – wherein dwell the ‘anti-peace process the lot of you’ type people who believe that Marty and Peter are delivering us onto the Promised Land.

    The above might seem weird, but when you’re an out and out Shinner you have to believe that whatever you are told to believe in today might be the opposite to what you are told to believe in tomorrow.

  • Dixie Elliott

    I shouldn’t make fun of them…I know!

  • weidm7

    Nah, it’s more like I realise that sometimes SF or the IRA’s past doesn’t really matter to the topic at hand.

  • sdelaneys

    Dixie “I shouldn’t make fun of them…I know!”,
    Of course you should, being laughed one of is the things they fear most.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Dixie “I shouldn’t make fun of them…I know!”,
    Of course you should, being laughed one of is the things they fear most.

    Indeed ? ;-)

  • cynic2

    So in Derry SF is pursuing a twin track approach. But isn’t that a breach of the Ministerial and Assembly oaths of office for any local mlas who behave this way? Has sf expelled those supporting the punishment attacks? I dont seem to have seen any reports of that.

    So in that situation has the DUP held their feet to the fire on this return to violence? And if not, why not? Is the trough just too deep and the swill too tasty to risk upsetting the trough?

  • galloglaigh

    The Real IRA in Derry has members who were also members and recent ex-members of the Provisional IRA. But they are not the Provisional IRA, they are the Real IRA. The same Real IRA in Derry, whom Gary Donnelly is the lead figure. The same Gary Donnelly whom Eamon McCann was arrested with at the Raytheon premises on the Buncrana Road. This story, like the story put out by Gregory Campbell, is only speculation, and if anyone has any evidence, they should take it to the PSNI. Otherwise, they should…

  • USA

    Weidm7,
    As you can see from the declining number of comments on his posts, most people don’t bother with Baker anymore. He has been blindly blaming Sinn Fein for everything for years, it’s part of his dishonest spin game. He quotes selectively on a regular basis and never engages with the audience. He just uses Slugger as another outlet for his parties’ viewpoint. Best to ignore him as Mick is happy to let him do it.

  • seamus60

    galloglaigh (profile)

    6 May 2012 at 12:36 pm

    The Real IRA in Derry has members who were also members and recent ex-members of the Provisional IRA. But they are not the Provisional IRA, they are the Real IRA. The same Real IRA in Derry, whom Gary Donnelly is the lead figure. The same Gary Donnelly whom Eamon McCann was arrested with at the Raytheon premises on the Buncrana Road. This story, like the story put out by Gregory Campbell, is only speculation, and if anyone has any evidence, they should take it to the PSNI. Otherwise, they should…

    Funny you should mention the part about taking the evidence to the PSNI. One of the two men who were the local conduits to this group is consistantly telling people to pass information to the psni and even offering publically to pass the same on where people are afraid to do so in person.. His attitude to this group had a dramatic change only after Pat Doherty was issued with an ultimatium from one eldery Mrs Devine in Strabane after her car was pipebombed by this group for aledged antisocial activity involving her grandson, who used the car to get her around. Mrs Devine on finding out the link between members of a local Republican band named in honour of her Volunteer sons and this group persued Doherty. Hard to imagine members of a republican band with PRM links attacking the property of an old lady like this. More so on the back drop of Pat Doherty arriving at her home months earlier with a whole montage of reporters in tow to highlight the fact that some wreckless dissie`s had the ordasity to throw a simular device over her back garden wall in the direction of a police station.
    Anyway the result of her persuit was that Pat took the platform at her son`s annual commeration to announce the disbandment of the band amongst other things.
    The main conduit to the group in Derry ( also head of the CRJ) began a quick distancing exercise, followed by gradual condemnation of the group.
    Surely he is the MAN who should be taking all he has to the psni on this group. Let him practice what he preach`s. If he already has he should say so in order to give others the confidence they lack. It can hardly be deemed speculation when hundreds of people have in the past used this well known PRM /CRJ figure to have issues dealt with concerning this group.
    The genie wants to stay out.

  • seamus60

    USA Mick will have something to worry about if Baker ever takes his selectivity to the extremes of Adams on issues such as his invitation to the Gasyard in Derry to engage with Republicans in an exercise that could have reconciled many of the disenfranchised old timers. But that would have entailed answering a few questions with no logical conclusion to his selective memory of events. the ones that suit him. Differant ball game when you can`t use the old tried and tested rebuttal of ” You would need to ask them yourself” when its them thats asking the questions.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    weidm7

    4 May 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Instead of this moralistic shite, how about we ask some pertinent questions:

    How do we as a society deal with drug dealing and addiction?

    Well according to Dr Marianne Breen, Ph. D. when the Irish Free State government discovered a Heroin epidemic in Dublin in the 1980s they embarked upon a policy of ‘containment’.It’s safe to say that that policy has FAILED.

    Does the vigilantism work?

    It depends.Swing a baseball bat at the next c nt who tries to rob your family car and see what happens…..

    What are the police doing to enter these areas and deal with the problem of drug-dealing?

    Read the following articles from the same newspaper about a family member of the Gardaí.He was initially caught with 18000 Grams of pure undiluted Cocaine with a ‘street value of €3m.Two years later he walked away with a non-custodial sentence.The value of the drugs had ‘fallen’ to €138,000.

    HERALD Michael Lavery-Tuesday September 15 2009

    TWO men have been charged in connection with a drug seizure of cocaine worth €3m in Dublin.

    The two, Arthur Conroy (24) of 32 Violet Hill Park, Glasnevin, and Eric Wynne (23), of 7 Portland Place, Lower Dorset Street, were remanded yesterday to appear at Cloverhill District Court on Friday.

    They were each charged in Blanchardstown District Court with unlawful possession of cocaine at 32 Violet Hill Park, Glasnevin, on September 11 last.

    Each was also charged with having cocaine in their possession at the same address for the purpose of selling or otherwise supplying it.

    Evidence

    Det Garda Neal Cameron of the Garda National Drugs Unit gave evidence of the arrest, charge and caution of Conroy at Finglas Garda Station. Conroy made no reply to the charges.

    The Det Garda applied for a one week remand in custody.

    Asked by the judge what amount was allegedly involved, the Det Garda replied that it was €3m.

    HERALD-Tuesday June 28 2011

    A YOUNG father from a family of gardai who was caught operating a cocaine factory from his garage has been given a partly suspended sentence at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.

    Arthur Conroy (26), of Violet Hill, Glasnevin, was caught with €138,000 worth of the drug along with mixing agents, a hydraulic press, weighing scales and moulds.

    Conroy pleaded guilty to possession of 18,000 grammes of cocaine in a garage beside his home on September 11, 2009.

    The court had previously heard his father and grandfather were gardai and his cousin is a serving member.

    Judge Donagh McDonagh said he believed Conroy, who has been in custody since October 2010, deserved a chance.

    He sentenced him to five years in prison, which he backdated to October, but suspended the balance on strict conditions

  • tacapall

    After they have finished shooting or beating anyone who is an alleged drug dealer maybe they could ( in the interests of the people ) turn their attentions to those who sell alcohol to the people, bar owners, off licenses, super markets – Alcohol has done more damage, made people do horrible things and killed more people than drugs, after that they could target shops who sell those cancer sticks which leads to some fkd up illnesses or in many cases death. Why even stop there they could target those shops who sell junk food, too much of that stuff will mess you up eventually leading to heart attacks.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    weidm7 (profile)

    4 May 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Instead of this moralistic shite, how about we ask some pertinent questions:

    What are the police doing to enter these areas and deal with the problem of drug-dealing?

    Prison officer jailed for Mountjoy drug-smuggling attempt

    Monday, March 05, 2012 – 06:28 PM-Irish Examiner-

    A prison officer who tried to smuggle more than €20,000 of drugs into Mountjoy has been jailed for five years.

    Jarlath Walsh (aged 40) of Dublin 9, pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to possession of cocaine, cannabis and cannabis resin with intent to supply at the prison.

    Walsh’s father is a retired detective and when his son came to him for help, he advised him not to report the incident.

    Independent-Sunday February 06 2011

    A GARDA alleged to have bought 10 grams of cocaine from a north inner-city drug dealer to share with a colleague has jeopardised several criminal trials, including some involving drug dealers.

    He was stopped by officers allegedly in possession of 10 grams of cocaine, with a street value of €800

    If 10 grams is worth €800 then 1 gram is worth €80.That means 18000 Grams is worth 18000 X 80= €1,440,000.

    What are the Police doing?Selling drugs and buying drugs.Supply and Demand.Small fish like Drugs Squad Dectectives kids like Jarlaith Walsh are taking the Hit for the Big Shots like Arthur Conroy.

  • cynic2

    I always wondered why, every time the Police seized drugs, the quoted value was so much higher than the street price. I am still none the wiser

  • antoinmaccomhain

    weidm7 (profile)

    4 May 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Instead of this moralistic shite, how about we ask some pertinent questions:

    26th April 2009 The Irish Times – headlines!
    “Garda misled road haulage licencing authority over the application by a convicted drugs dealer!”

    Timeline:— December 2003: Boylan is caught with heroin and cocaine worth 750,000 at Dublin Port. He is charged and released on bail.

    October 2005: The Garda National Drugs Unit (GNDU) catch Boylan with heroin and cocaine worth 1.7m in Ardee, Co Louth. Boylan claims other gardai knew he had the drugs and alludes to his involvement in entrapment operations.

    December 2005: Boylan stands trial for the docklands haul and is sentenced to five years in prison, two of them suspended.

    June 2006: Charges relating to the seizure of drugs in Co Louth are struck out. This follows representations to the DPP by senior gardai.

    August 2006: A Co Louth woman claims her life was threatened by Boylan after she gave gardai information on the location of a drugs haul. An intruder later breaks into her home and threatens to murder her if she makes a statement.

    February 2007: The Sunday Times publishes details of an alleged conspiracy that prompts opposition TDs to raise the case in the Dail. An internal Garda inquiry recommends re-charging Boyle with the Co Louth haul.

    April 2007: Boylan is re-charged with the Co Louth haul.\par \par December 2007: Boylan is freed after completing his sentence for the Docklands haul. The garda ombudsman begins an investigation after the Co Louth woman threatened by Boylan lodges a formal complaint.

    June 2008: The Sunday Times publishes a report alleging that a garda has admitted to a senior officer that he took part in entrapment operations involving Boylan. Michael McCarthy, an assistant commissioner, is asked to investigate the Co Louth drugs haul.

    Questions as Kieran Boylan case dropped….”

    What are the Police doing?It looks like they’re working hand in glove with those who are Importing the Drugs-

    How can a junior officer ‘entrap’ people without the approval of senior officers?(June 2008: The Sunday Times)….Unless he was Lying through his teeth.

    Why haven’t Sinn Féin asked for an Inquiry into Arthur Conroy?If Arthur falls how many fall with him?Judges,Cops,Barristers-The whole chebang is corrupt?
    Rotten to the core.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    thedissenter (profile)

    4 May 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Didn’t RAAD have an earlier existance as IRA cover for vigilante activity in Belfast years earlier, or was it a different acronym? Certainly not original. Sticking to form.

    PaulT (profile)

    4 May 2012 at 4:49 pm

    not quite thedissenter, that was DAAD (Direct Action Against Drugs )

    XX Against Drugs-

    Co-Cad-Coalition of Communitys Against Drugs.(1990s)

    CPAD-Concerned Parents Against Drugs(1980s)

    4 Entirely different groups.

    The CPAD differed from the others because they Never wore Balacalavas when they confronted the Top Dealers.
    They marched without masks.A terrifying sight to see a couple of hundred Inner City women marching.

    CoCad was a 1990s version of CPAD.

    RAAD-DAAD are something entirely different.They don’t have public spoke(wo)men for example.Everyone knew who the Concerned Parents were.As i’ve said-They wore no balacalavas-They’re attitude to the Pushers was one of Defiance-I’m Right Here In The Ghetto -Come And Get Me – I’m Not Going Anywhere.

  • jojo

    The only decent interview with RAAD was by Conor Sharkey of the Strabane Chronicle, who didn’t just accept their statements at face value but asked hard questions and their answers left them looking like total idiots

  • Donal Davoren

    They shoot young kids for alleged drug dealing and anti-social behaviour yet they are only criminals in Derry carrying guns.

    Businessman challenged RAAD on extortion claims

    Tuesday 8 May 2012

    A Derry businessman has challenged vigilante group Republican Action Against Drugs (RAAD) to publicly state whether it is behind attempts to extort money from him.

    The man, who did not wish to be named, claimed he had been approached by “a third party” purporting to be acting on behalf of RAAD who told him he would be shot if he did not give the group £5,000.

    The business owner said he had “got into a row” with a member of RAAD in the city centre eight months ago and questioned whether this may be linked to the demand for money.

    “Eight months ago I was in the town and got into an argument with someone connected to RAAD but I never heard anything more about it. Then four weeks ago I had another bit of trouble with one of them but it was nothing serious.

    “The next thing I knew I was approached by a third party and told that if I handed over £5,000 I wouldn’t have any trouble but if I didn’t I would be shot. I have been approached three times in total,” he said.

    read more: http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local/businessman-challenged-raad-on-extortion-claims-1-3818212

  • Mick Fealty

    USA,

    You have been a very naughty boy. You promised me faithfully you’d lay off the man playing of Pete on any future thread. Frankly, that’s enough. Yer out, permanently!

  • antoinmaccomhain

    jojo (profile)

    8 May 2012 at 3:10 pm

    The only decent interview with RAAD was by Conor Sharkey of the Strabane Chronicle,

    As far as i’m aware Pushers Out was the only book ever written about the Anti-Drugs Movement.The following review shows briefly how a ‘heroin epidemic was an accident waiting to happen’,and when it did happen ‘no one noticed’ it happen…it happened ‘over night’……It was a Symptom-A Symptom of what?80% Unemployment….
    And that it was in fact ‘Working class women who made up the Backbone of the Movement for Change.The author was also scathing of the Professional Community Workers who replaced the women who’d been there from the start,when there was no dollars floating around.-‘This was the era of social partnership and Lyder is particularly scathing about the incorporation of community resistance by ‘professional’ community workers.’

    Pushers Out-A Review from Indymedia-

    The Irish ruling class showed utter contempt for the poor inner city areas of Dublin. Charles Haughey, the corrupt Taoiseach (prime-mister) famously bought shirts worth five grand each and stole cobblestones from Dublin streets to pave the drive at his home, Meanwhile areas of the city were suffering over 80% unemployment. An epidemic was ravaging certain parts of the city, destroying lives, families and communities and the ruling elite were happy to ignore it. Lyder argues these areas always had a tradition of using alcohol as an escape from grinding poverty, such that the way was paved for heroin. He quotes one local:

    “I used to drink cider on the streets with the gangs I grew up with. We would buy a few flagons, sit down and have cider. At that stage they were called cider parties by the newspapers. Now that would have been around ’77. And then hash became what people started smoking. And all of a sudden hash turned to heroin you know…. it happened overnight but no one noticed it happen… I remember it being given out for free.. but at that stage I was lucky enough to go into pubs so it didn’t bother us….but the generation that came directly after me … drugs took over from cider. So drugs was the big out

    Heroin is big business, and those standing in the way of that business can be putting themselves in considerable danger. Des Whelan, an anti drug activist was stabbed to death as was the fourteen year old son of another activist, others were shot at but survived. Lyder argued that while there were Sinn Fein members in the campaign, sometimes in prominent positions, they did not (as the media argued) control it or use it as a front. Their presence did, however, allow the anti-drugs activists to imply that they were under the protection of the IRA, and it seems, in the very early days they were:
    ‘Throughout the ‘80s and to a lesser degree for the COCAD campaign [a deterrent had] been provided by the notion that the IRA and the anti-drugs campaign were intrinsically connected and if one attacked the anti-drugs campaign one was effectively attacking the IRA. Within COCAD we referred to this as the ‘big bluff’. It was a bluff in the sense that no such intrinsic relationship existed, we had no guarantees from the IRA about anything and no reason the IRA would necessarily to feel obliged to respond to any particular threat to the anti-drugs campaign. Some sort of commitment was made in the early ‘80s to the emerging Concerned Parents and the IRA did respond to the shootings in St Teresas’s Gardens in 1983. This did not however, assure future response”

    What was the end result? Lyder argues that the anti-drugs campaigned stabilised the extent of heroin users in the city, they moved drugs up the agenda, secured funding for treatment services, youth facilities and lead to a growth of local pride and sense of community. The drug problem wasn’t ‘solved’ but it was contained (and in this respect, Lyder is critical of government responses which rely on methadone maintenance rather than support for detoxification and rehabilitation).

    There is an entire history of the city in this book, a history that without it would remain mostly hidden. Indeed one of the most interesting aspects of the campaigns is mentioned just as a brief aside ‘women were the backbone of the campaign, overwhelming filling the meetings and marches’ (p. 234).

  • seamus60

    Antoin. Fair play to the people who worked the backsides off for this when even under threat.
    Our situation in the North is however more complex, with people beginning to come up with all sorts of theories as to whats actually going on.
    In the article there is mention of professionals coming into the equation, we have the same,only there are real professionals and then them who claim to be the best alround professionals. Or so it goes. So many angencies all in the bidding for a slice of the very lucritive peace dividend cake. The one that can only get smaller as time goes on with even more greedy mouths to be fed. We now have a position where the real professionally trained people in the game of rehabilitation etc are less funded in scale of the problem due to so much being diverted to new schemes on the block. Every street corner has yet another recent scheme for this that or the other. We have seen central funding for such schemes being channelled through a prominent group who is controlled by a certain political party. Its almost like Dev got control of the press and this party is being allowed control of most community ventures. As a sub group dependant of funding through this channell most not directly linked with the party are walking on eggshells when expressing an opinion, with most now prepared to follow orders. Funny thing being it was this party who set up the group the thread is about, yet they now bring mothers onto the street to protest against them. Their problem is a lot of these woman are already on the payroll. As a result many many others who would like to take to the streets on the issue, stay at home as they`re getting sick to the teeth of political interfeerence be it by stelth. Groups like CRJ are now branching out from neighbourly disputes etc to we deal with everything, whether in their remit or not. Surely womans long established welfare groups are better equipped to deal with the likes of domestic violance etc. Groups like this merely move their so called professionalism on to a new subject when funding is under threat. If only things could be a little more black and white, well enough for the people be able to see exactly who is really who and who is best suited for a particular profession.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    J Kelly (profile)

    4 May 2012 at 5:05 pm

    THe issue here is not who these people were once connected to or not, some of them were also members of the IRSP as was Eamonn McCann, but what are they at now. They are a bunch of self serving criminals who tax alledged drug dealers and criminals and the entire political spectrum in Derry oppose them bar a few dissidents.

    Oh,but it is an issue ‘who’ they were connected too.If it wasn’t why throw the name of the IRSP into the mix?

    The Original Concerned Parents had a democratic way of dealing with allegations by The Community about senior reps ‘taking backhanders’ in ‘big brown envelopes’.
    For example: If i was an alleged Drug Dealer-Or ‘If’ i was ‘Taxing Drug Dealers’ I would have been given an opportunity at a local Community meeting to explain myself to my Community.

    Lets say i came from South Inner City Dublin and i was directly connected to the PIRA and allegations were made that i was ‘taking back handers off a scum lord’ then i’d have the chance to defend myself,and by extension my ‘associates’. If i was taking ‘backhanders’ and i couldn’t defend myself,well that doesn’t look too clever does it? What would it say about the PIRA in South Inner City Dublin as a whole?

  • seamus60

    Antoin. I like the dogs on the street in Derry (even the police ones) know who most of them are. I honestly can`t place any of them from the background you mention. I can`t recall Mc Cann either being involved with that group. Never being a follower either of the IRSP,INLA etc, I have to say they are presently doing exceptional work on the ground with no grip on any of the tens of millions being plyed to keep the peace.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    seamus60 (profile) says: 10 May 2012 at 12:57 pm Antoin. Fair play to the people who worked the backsides off for this when even under threat.

    @Fair play to the people who worked their backsides off….

    Better wo(men) than i’ll ever be that’s for sure.

    @when even under threat….

    I remember when i was a teenieboppper letting a shout at the ‘joyriders’ outside me front door.A few women appeared with bricks and said ‘son,get outta the way’……

    The Joyriders stayed away for a few nights.

    @ Groups like this merely move their so called professionalism on to a new subject when funding is under threat.

    Funding?What Funding?The Concerned Parents Against Drugs began in the 1980s Because There Was NO FUNDING.Them people hadn’t a pot to piss in.Nothing.No Resources.Their homes were used as Detox Centres.Their attitude was simple-‘You want to get off drugs? There’s a bed’.Why did they do it?Because it was the right thing to do.They didn’t get paid and nor did they want to be paid for what they were doing.They got nothing but abuse for it.

    ‘Community anti-drug activism appears to have waned due to fatigue’-Dr Marianne Breen, Ph. D.

    This is the only passing,fleeting acknowledgement these people ever got for their troubles,on an official level,that i ever heard of.

  • seamus60

    Antoin I agree with you and praise the people you are talking about who without resources including financial took the bull by the horns.

    The complexity i have spoken of in the North is stemming from so many trying to get in on the act. All of a sudden we are coming down with people who know best how to tackle it for a slice of the cake. To the extent that people like those you have spoken of are not afforded a place. People with that mindset aren`t normally yesmen so wouldn`t wed well. welfare rights groups etc who have been around since before the big time funding are under severe pressure due to no political affilitation . so to speak.

  • streetlegal

    What is clear is that RAAD could not continue to act in Derry if they had not received clearance from the Provisional IRA Army Council. Mr McGuinness is wearing his other hat here.

  • justamum

    I’m not saying I agree with vigilante action on dealers, but, children learn from the adults around them and if the law allows dealers to operate around children then just maybe society or a section of it has the right to take action against the dealers and against the law. For instance I know of a family who have been dealing in my area for a number of years. They are an English family and moved to our country because growing cannabis and dealing it is easier than in England, they have also dealt other drugs like heroin and ecstasy but cannabis gave them a good enough life to buy and improve their own property in our country. The has law failed our children again and again as can be seen in the article http://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/man-returned-to-growing-drugs-after-garda-raids-29458695.html

    The law is also an ass or is covering for them because it says in the article that Mulholland’s family have no criminal history yet this article long before Mulholland’s latest appearance would argue the non criminal history of his family http://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/man-returned-to-growing-drugs-after-garda-raids-29458695.html.

    I’m told the family where registered addicts in the UK and never worked in England, they have been in our country for 15 years and again have never worked. Instead they live of our benefit system and the drugs they deal. Why is our legal system failing us, if its that easy for outsiders to profit from dealing then it must be a joke to our brothers and sisters born here. Yes the methods used by RAAD maybe wrong because of their brutality but the option is to let our children grow up in a system that allows profit from drug dealing, a system that is incompetent to provide correct evidence to the court or for some reason does not provide that evidence.