Live Sex Shows – the new price of contraception in America?

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So suggests Rush Limbaugh: A professional political gas pipe without peer.

America’s reigning Shock Jock supreme, Limbaugh’s enormous national political influence is feared by Republicans, loathed by Democrats, and adored by his daily audience of over 20 million listeners.

If Rush Limbaugh is not the de facto leader of today’s GOP, who is?

The power and importance of his daily noise is best captured by the silence it generates. When Rush, the single Republican with the largest loyal following in the country, can say the following without one – at time of publication – Congressionally elected Republican speaking out in condemnation, it’s a revealing day. For shame.

So, Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis. Here’s the deal. If we’re going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch

In case Limbaugh’s reference to Miss Fluke is unclear to you, some background. Sandra Fluke is the Georgetown law student who was earlier in the week denied the ability to address the hearing reviewing the issues surrounding contraceptive access and coverage provision under the new health insurance law. During the three hour hearing not one single woman was given the platform to address the congressional committee and attendant national media.

An iconic image captured the scene as the five male religious testifiers addressed the male committee chair Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) – while Miss Fluke, and every woman in America, had to settle for a spectator’s role.

  • pauluk

    I haven’t followed this issue very closely but I suspected that Ruarai’s post was somewhat one-sided and disingenuous.

    I think people should view this video and read this article to get a little balance and perspective on Ms Fluke’s activity and also her testimony before a US House committee as the only witness. She makes some quite ludicrous demands.

  • Greenflag

    We know American Republicans like Limbaugh hate the poor -detest the unrich , dislike women , minorities , socialists , children -especially poor children , government (except when they rule the roost).On the other hand they love war , weapons , guns , church goers , corporate welfare , large corporations , oil moguls etc .

    Given that Limbaugh has/had a drug problem it now seems he’s either had a relapse or he’s now into public pornography and believes that his 20 million listeners approve his message .

    I guess with all of the GOP candidates looking like the craziest bunch of wackos that have ever competed for the Republican nomination it should be no surprise that Limbaugh has now outwackoed the lot of them .

    Only to be expected then that one of the few remaining ‘sane ‘ Republicans Maine Senator Olympia Snowe left in Congress let it be known this week that she’s had enough of the ‘madness’ and right wing zealotry which has the USA to the edge of the economic abyss

    ..http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/02/why-the-gop-won-t-win-the-senate.html

  • pauluk

    Stuck on Stereotypes, eh, Greenflag?

  • Greenflag

    ‘Stuck on Stereotypes, eh, Greenflag?’

    Limbaugh is’nt a stereotype -he’s just a drug addled nutter who now gets his kicks from calling a young woman a ‘slut’ .
    The GOP is getting closer to the Iranian model of theocracy every day . The fact that five male religious testifiers addressed the male committee chair Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) – while Miss Fluke, and every woman in America, had to settle for a spectator’s role will send a signal to every female voter in America that Iran is closer than they think.

    But hey don’t let me stop you from defending an idiot like LImbaugh .

  • wee buns

    pauluk:
    ‘She makes some quite ludicrous demands.’
    Care to be specific?

    GF
    ‘…a signal to every female voter in America that Iran is closer than they think.’

    Agreed and they better wake up smell the cappuccino before sexually frustrated fat white men like Limbaugh get to dictate what they do with their own bodies….

    The 3,000 bucks per year for contraception bears no relation to 2.7 f***ks per day, as estimated by news hack Craig Bannister in the article – but quite obviously refers to the cost of one year’s supply of contraceptive pill – which to be effective is taken regardless of levels of sexual activity.

  • Alias

    Any man that provokes so much righteous rage from liberals can’t be all bad.

  • wee buns

    The princes of non specifics are sailing tonight.

  • Greenflag

    @ Alias ,

    ‘Any man that provokes so much righteous rage from liberals can’t be all bad’

    Yep you’re probably right . I mean he could be worse like for instance these Ultra Orthodox Israeli nutcases who enjoy spitting at a bespectacled 8 year old school girl :( and who want their public transport busses segregated by gender .

    excerpt ,

    Many Israelis, most of whom are secular or moderately religious, have been infuriated in recent days by reports of ultra-religious zealots trying to enforce their strict religious code on the town’s other residents, especially the forced separation of men and women.

    Most prominently, a report broadcast on Israeli television on Friday had drawn national attention by showing how an 8-year-old girl is spat on and harassed every day by the ultra-Orthodox on her way to school, about 300 metres away from her home.

    The bespectacled second-grader, Naama Margolese, attends a modern Orthodox school that borders an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood and that is viewed by many of the ultra-religious as trespassing into their territory.

    the whole story

    http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/anti-gender-segregation-protests-rock-israeli-jewish-community-407061

    Limbaugh has first cousins in the Middle East the one lot among Ultra Orthodox Jews and the other among the Ayatollah loonies in Tehran and the Taliban :(

  • Harry Flashman

    “We know American Republicans like Limbaugh hate the poor -detest the unrich , dislike women , minorities , socialists , children -especially poor children , government (except when they rule the roost).On the other hand they love war , weapons , guns , church goers , corporate welfare , large corporations , oil moguls etc .”

    Yes Greenflag, everyone who agrees with you, knows that.

    And everyone else knows that Democrats are pinko-socialist, big spending, tax-raising, nanny-staters who want to micro-manage the lives of every citizen until they are utterly dependent on the government and who hate anyone who wants to think for themselves, run their own business and be left the hell alone.

    Gee, this childish stereotyping is such fun, we should have more of it instead of grown-up political debates on actual issues.

  • Harry Flashman

    From the extremely thick file marked “It’s alright when lefties do it”, let us ask why no one on Slugger ever felt the need to express their moral outrage over these incidents;

    http://www.breitbart.tv/bill-maher-calls-sarah-palin-a-dumb-twat/

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-05-25/entertainment/30004825_1_msnbc-schultz-radio-show

    Rank hypocrisy, thy name is lefty.

  • Greenflag

    ‘this childish stereotyping is such fun, we should have more of it instead of grown-up political debates on actual issues.’

    Quite right Harry but then the GOP seem determined this year to live up /down (take your pick ) to their stereotype and even if I may say so enhance it . If you have watched or read or listened to any of the debates between the Republican contenders for the nomination you would be be hard pressed to decide which is to the extreme right of Thatcher and which are merely far right of the BNF . The ‘superpac’ vitriol that all of these “Republican ‘ candidates spew at each other would be fun unless of course you remember that these loonies are competing to become next President of the USA . Dumb is not the word .

  • pauluk

    Rush Limbaugh has apologised for what he called Ms Fluke on one of his radio broadcasts:

    For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

    I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

    My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

    It’s big of Rush, but let’s not forget that it was Ms Fluke herself who first started talking about her rampant sexual activity before a House committee. It’s a strange world indeed when tax payers are expected to pay for the sexual activities of others.

  • Harry Flashman

    Illustrating absurdity with absurdity, an impressively succinct way of describing this incident.

    This woman, pretending to be a wee, poor, put-upon student, actually a thirty year old seasoned political activist, demanded in one of the highest forums in the land that taxpayers should be forced to subsidize her sex life to the tune of one thousand bucks a year.

    She can afford the eye-watering fees at the prestigious Georgetown Law School but apparently a pack of condoms is beyond her limited means.

    She is studying law, lucky her I never got that privilege, but I can read the beautifully written and admirably concise United States Constitution which can be downloaded and read in a matter of minutes. For the life of me I cannot find the clause where the federal government is mandated to confiscate money from US citizens (or in actuality borrow it from the Chinese politburo) to pay for the sexual proclivities of other citizens.

    Mark Steyn put it brilliantly when he said that government health care has little to do with health care and all about about government. I don’t for one split second believe that affordable contraception is beyond the means of Americans, in the richest nation in the world where the biggest health problem stems from overconsumption that is nonsense.

    This issue is about the statists flexing their muscles, forcing their social views and morality down the throats of those who disagree with them, it has diddly-squat to do with healthcare.

    Rush was right, he had no need to apologise.

  • pauluk

    Harry,

    It just shows that Rush is not the hateful idiot that Greenflag and other lefties want to portray him as. He didn’t necessarily have to say he was sorry, but he did. He tells things as he sees them, and this time he reckons he used an inappropriate word in the flow of a monologue. He apologised. It’s over.

    This is what separates honest conservatives from many creepy commentators on the left, who have yet to apologise for the absolutely disgusting things they have said, and in some cases, are still saying, about Sarah Palin and other female conservative political activists.

    Left-wing liberals accuse conservatives or all sorts of nasty thing but they are ones who are the most guilty of the actions they pretend to condemn.

  • Harry Flashman

    Ah yes, Sarah Palin, the only two words one needs to say when you hear lefties complaining of conservative “hate speech”. How that woman survived the bucketloads of vile, poisonous filth that was poured on her and her family by the media and the left, and yet kept on smiling I will never know.

    As to accusations implied above of Rush’s hypocrisy re Viagra. Surely on the contrary it proves his consistency. He did not demand an audience before Congress urging the poor US taxpayer to fund his sexual activities, he put his money where his mouth is and funded it out of his own pocket.

    If he has to purchase his medication through obligatory insurance schemes now it is because the state makes him do so, the sort of loss of liberty and personal privacy that is unavoidable when the government takes control of your health care provision.

    I’m a free man, I pay my own health care, I go to the hospital of my choice, see the doctor I want at a time of my convenience and no damned government pen pusher gets to intervene in my private health issues.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    “This woman, pretending to be a wee, poor, put-upon student, actually a thirty year old seasoned political activist, demanded in one of the highest forums in the land that taxpayers should be forced to subsidize her sex life to the tune of one thousand bucks a year.”

    Wrong: she was making the case for a fellow student in a same-sex relationship who needed the medication for ovarian cysts.

    “As to accusations implied above of Rush’s hypocrisy re Viagra. Surely on the contrary it proves his consistency.”

    Limbaugh’s 29 doses of viagra were prescribed through the name of Steven Strummwasser because of “the potential embarrassing nature”. The pills were confiscated by the US Customs when Limbaugh and his four fellow males, media-types Jeffrey Benson, Howard Gordon, Stanley Schuster and Joes Surnow, flew back from a stag-do in the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is widely promoted as a destination for sex-tourism, with a unique selling point in pedophilia. Limbaugh at first claimed the pills were “blue M&Ms”.

    Limbaugh on drugs, 5 Oct 1995:

    “Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. … And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.”

  • pauluk

    Caesar,

    Your hatred, vindictiveness and personal attacks towards someone who has recovered from substance abuse is quite nauseating. But what more can we expect from those on the loony left.

    This article gives a little more context to who Ms Fluke actually is. There’s a lot more to her than meets the eye.

  • pauluk

    Here’s an extract from an interesting article by Kristine Powers in the Daily Beast:

    … what about the army of swine on the left?

    During the 2008 election Ed Schultz said on his radio show that Sarah Palin set off a “bimbo alert.” He called Laura Ingraham a “right-wing slut.” (He later apologized.) He once even took to his blog to call yours truly a “bimbo” for the offense of quoting him accurately in a New York Post column.

    Keith Olbermann has said that conservative commentator S.E. Cupp should have been aborted by her parents, apparently because he finds her having opinions offensive. He called Michelle Malkin a “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick.” He found it newsworthy to discuss Carrie Prejean’s breasts on his MSNBC show. His solution for dealing with Hillary Clinton, who he thought should drop out of the presidential race, was to find “somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.” Olbermann now works for über-leftist and former Democratic vice president Al Gore at Current TV.

    Left-wing darling Matt Taibbi wrote on his blog in 2009, “When I read [Malkin’s] stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth.” In a Rolling Stone article about Secretary of State Clinton, he referred to her “flabby arms.” When feminist writer Erica Jong criticized him for it, he responded by referring to Jong as an “800-year old sex novelist.” (Jong is almost 70, which apparently makes her an irrelevant human being.) In Taibbi’s profile of Congresswoman and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann he labeled her “batshit crazy.” (Oh, those “crazy” women with their hormones and all.)

    Chris Matthews’s sickening misogyny was made famous in 2008, when he obsessively tore down Hillary Clinton for standing between Barack Obama and the presidency, something that Matthews could not abide. Over the years he has referred to the former first lady, senator and presidential candidate and current secretary of state as a “she-devil,” “Nurse Ratched,” and “Madame Defarge.” Matthews has also called Clinton “witchy,” “anti-male,” and “uppity” and once claimed she won her Senate seat only because her “husband messed around.” He asked a guest if “being surrounded by women” makes “a case for commander in chief—or does it make a case against it?” At some point Matthews was shamed into sort of half apologizing to Clinton, but then just picked up again with his sexist ramblings.

    Matthews has wondered aloud whether Sarah Palin is even “capable of thinking” and has called Bachmann a “balloon head” and said she was “lucky we still don’t have literacy tests out there.” Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene, who is the former president of the Women’s Media Center, told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly in 2011 that Matthews
“is a bully, and his favorite target is women.” So why does he still have a show? What if his favorite target was Jews? Or African-Americans?

    But the grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher—who also happens to be a favorite of liberals—who has given $1 million to President Obama’s super PAC. Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job. Maher said of a woman who was harassed while breast-feeding at an Applebee’s, “Don’t show me your tits!” as though a woman feeding her child is trying to flash Maher. (Here’s a way to solve his problem: don’t stare at a strangers’ breasts). Then, his coup de grâce: “And by the way, there is a place where breasts and food do go together. It’s called Hooters!”

    Liberals—you know, the people who say they “fight for women”—comprise Maher’s audience, and a parade of high-profile liberals make up his guest list. Yet have any of them confronted him? Nope. That was left to Ann Coulter, who actually called Maher a misogynist to his face, an opportunity that feminist icon Gloria Steinem failed to take when she appeared on his show in 2011.

    This is not to suggest that liberals—or feminists—never complain about misogyny. Many feminist blogs now document attacks on women on the left and the right, including Jezebel, Shakesville, and the Women’s Media Center (which was cofounded by Steinem). But when it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.

    Read the whole thing here…

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    pauluk has me convinced.

    Every word uttered by Rush Limbaugh should be engraved onto stone tablets to be exhibited in every courthouse and medium center across the Nation.

    As for Sarah Palin, she is evidently a hybrid of Joan of Arc, Diana Spenser, the sainted Margaret Thatcher and Mother Theresa. Her image should be embossed on every stamp and currency note. Any small criticism of her should be a capital offense.

  • wee buns

    Pauluk
    ‘’…but let’s not forget that it was Ms Fluke herself who first started talking about her rampant sexual activity before a House committee.’’

    I’ve read/watched all the links you posted but can’t find any trace of the above..

    As for your subsequent posts – rampant whataboutery.

    To get back to the point – why should a sick person be refused medication on a moral argument that the medication itself can be used for other purposes?

    Morphine can be used for getting high. Therefore a strong moral objection to getting high could trump the ethical obligation to relieve pain of the suffering.

    HarryF
    ‘’This issue is about the statists flexing their muscles, forcing their social views and morality down the throats of those who disagree with them…it has diddly-squat to do with healthcare.’’

    The morality that’s being forced down women’s throats here is that hormone adjusting medication is being denied in legitimate cases of disease.
    It’s got ‘diddly-squat’ to do with sex.

  • Harry Flashman

    You must think we were all born yesterday, this has nothing to do with one particular, unsubstantiated case, where a sick person was alleged to have been refused treatment (treatment in my opinion which could have been afforded easily by herself, but that is beside the point).

    It is not about this one case, even if it were one should always bear in mind the truism “hard cases make bad laws”.

    As I have said before government healthcare is not about healthcare but about the government. The government getting to control people’s lives, privacy, families, morality and welfare.

    If you need medication for sex, be like Rush, buy your own damn pills, don’t ask me to fund your libido.

  • wee buns

    HF
    ”…this has nothing to do with one particular, unsubstantiated case, where a sick person was alleged to have been refused treatment ..”

    Wither you like it or not the pill is widely prescribed for a host of painful conditions caused by menstrual irregularities like migraines, dysmenorrheal, also anemia; acne; some blood disorders; delayed puberty; symptomatic menopause; polycystic ovary syndrome; pelvic inflammatory disease or endometriosis and adenomyosis. It is also held to prevent certain cancers.

  • Greenflag

    @ paul UK ,

    ‘Rush Limbaugh has apologised for what he called Ms Fluke on one of his radio broadcast’

    No he has’nt. His lawyers have and the reason they have is because the people who Limbaugh pays homage to -have told him to. The radio station does not like losing advertising revenue and a half a dozen big accounts were withdrawn .

    ‘it’s big of Rush’

    The only thing big about Limbaugh is his mouth and his gut and both are too big even for some of his ‘financial ‘ backers .

    Now Limbaugh could come out on his Radio rants with some directed focus not only on wasteful interfering and unnnecessary government but with some directed at the corruption in the financial services sector under Clinton, Bush and Obama -but he doesn’t . And the reason he doesn’t is because he is the paid lap dog of the neo con nutters represented by the banksters in the financial services sector, their corporate buddies such as the Koch brothers and the looney born again rapturous religious freaks who believe that Jesus will save the economy and that a ‘cultist ‘ like Romney will save America by implementing Israeli foreign policy :(

  • Greenflag

    @ harry flashman ,

    ‘ I don’t for one split second believe that affordable contraception is beyond the means of Americans’

    You would be wrong . There are now 1.8 million Americans living on 2 dollars a day which is a doubling of the figure of 800,000 back in 1996.

  • Greenflag

    @

    ‘As I have said before government healthcare is not about healthcare but about the government.’

    And private health insurance is about profit first -healthcare afterwards if the former are profitable . Which is why before a patient gets any healthcare in the USA his/her insurance company has to be assured of a 17 to 20% profit .

    Thus a country like Canada with a single payer government system of health care for all has 25% of the administrative costs per person as the USA . Financially private health care insurance for all simply doesn’t work and consumes about 10% more of GDP every year than a proper NHS style system .

    As for being affordable . Given the cost of even a moderately severe medical operation in the USA nobody earning under 6 figures which is more than twice the American median income could afford to pay out of their own resources without taking on a ‘mortgage ‘.

    The people making money out of the American Private Health Care system are the Insurance Companies , and the legal and medical professions and of course the likes of these sort of white collar criminals a mere drop in the ocean ? 350 million eh?

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2012/February/29/record-breaking-fraud-case.aspx

  • quality

    From the article published by pauluk:

    “It‘s worth noting the massive number of women’s issues groups Fluke was involved in, even while in college.”

    How dare she, the swine!

  • Harry Flashman

    “Wither you like it or not the pill is widely prescribed for a host of painful conditions caused by menstrual irregularities like migraines, dysmenorrheal, also anemia; acne; some blood disorders; delayed puberty; symptomatic menopause; polycystic ovary syndrome; pelvic inflammatory disease or endometriosis and adenomyosis. It is also held to prevent certain cancers.”

    I am fully aware of that, and if a patient needs that treatment and their particular insurer doesn’t cover it then change insurer.

    Demanding your Catholic insurer change its moral code to suit your needs is absurd, you knew the rules before you signed on.

    It’s a bit like going into a peanut restaurant and demanding they stop selling peanuts because you have a peanut allergy.

    Greenflag, the alleged, unsubstantiated, nonspecific, unidentified patient who allegedly couldn’t afford a rather basic medical treatment went to Georgetown University.

    You’ll have to trust me on this one, she wasn’t living on two bucks a day.

  • South Down Stoop

    HF,

    Your stance carries a certain populist appeal. “I’m a free man, I pay my own health care, I go to the hospital of my choice.” Congratulations. American work ethic, bootstraps, keep the damn government out of my pocket etc. Undoubtedly it’s been fairly successful in winning elections (for both parties) but in terms of policy it’s simply short-sighted and illogical.

    You argue people should pay for what they want; in a capitalist society where everyone has the chance to work and earn and save and assert individual freedom and self-control, this is a brilliant idea. The issue is (as others have touched upon) this egalitarian and meritocratic “capitalist society” does not apply to the vast majority of American citizens. I realise in talking about the philosophical underpinnings of your argument I have strayed a little from the subject of the post. So let me bring it together:

    Sandra Fluke could probably afford the Pill, or 3000 condoms a year, or whatever ridiculous mis-representation of $3000 is being thrown about. The average resident of the American inner city, however – West Baltimore, East St. Louis, Atlanta – cannot.

    “They should pay for it their goddamn selves!!!” Ideally they should, but the shift to the ‘information economy’ has left them behind. Marginalised by a “public” education system that is simply a bad joke, and demonised by many political elites as the deserving poor.

    These people can’t get jobs because the U.S. government has neglected to allow them the facilities to do so. If you, HF, happened to be born in similar circumstances, your presumable individual success is all the more laudable. However i you were born to a family with pre-existing money for a private school, college, health care – then your success is substantially due to circumstances of birth.

    This is the fundamental issue at stake in this debate. American conservatives argue people should pay their own way in life – they fail to realise that the inequality of the modern USA makes this a virtual impossibility.

  • Harry Flashman

    Stoop

    I am not some sort of heartless capitalist bastard, trust me I am perfectly comfortable with the state providing welfare for those of its poorest citizens.

    What I draw the line at is when this admirable, indeed noble, sentiment is exploited by politically motivated activists to impose their own ideology on those who oppose them.

    If a very poor person needs birth control then I have no objection to the state providing that care. I do object, very vociferously, when left wing proponents of big government use, probably fictional, hard luck stories to make the government impose their preferred ideology on institutions of which the Lefties don’t approve.

    The separation of church and state in the US is supposed to work both ways. If Catholic institutions wish to uphold Catholic teaching that is their constitutional right. The US government has no damn business intervening in their internal affairs at the behest of political activists who dislike Catholic teaching and who are using the healthcare debate as a smokescreen behind which to push forward their agenda.

  • South Down Stoop

    The expansion of contraception isn’t an imposition of ideology. If you are a Catholic working at a Catholic institution, you don’t have to take birth control. It’s just available, no more, no less. A Catholic institution definitely has the constitutional right to preach its beliefs; however it cannot aggressively impose on the rights of an individual to liberties otherwise allowed by the state. Fight the sin, not the sinner.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 10:54 am

    Is that the issue Ruarai raised?

    If it is, then even Vice-President Joe Biden would agree, and in the US such stuff gets settled by the Supreme Court.

    Yet Ms Fluke had quietly and persuasively argued her case. Even her detractors have conceded that, before adding that she must be a “skank”. When will it be possible for a woman to argue in a mature way any gender-issue without such gynophobic come-backs?

    The other issue ought to be whether the First Amendment allows Limbaugh to use publicly-licensed airwaves to abuse an individual as a “slut” and a “prostitute”. Clearly Limbaugh’s sponsors think he was wrong. If we allow Limbaugh’s words, do we draw the line at Imus’s “nappy-headed ho’s”? What happened to the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act?

    If anyone wants a more immediate issue, there’s key middle-class constituencies, especially women’s votes, slipping away from the Republican Party. Rick Santorum’s “vagina monologue” has been one factor, but Limbaugh hasn’t helped.

  • Greenflag

    @harry flashman,

    ‘You’ll have to trust me on this one, she wasn’t living on two bucks a day.’

    I did’nt state she was . There are 1.8 million Americans living on 2 dollars a day and several more million living in what is termed food insecurity i.e their next meal is problematic .

    Congratulations on being a ‘free man ‘ . Now if you were say 63 years of age in the USA and through no fault of your own been made redundant or let go or the company failed or upped sticks and went to China and you lost your private insurance and had to have a major heart operation and the only way to be able to afford the 200,000 dollars is to remortgage your house or get a job in an economy where there are already 25 million plus without one then how ‘free ‘ would you be ?

    Over a million people declare bankruptcy every year in the USA and the vast majority of them because of inability to pay the costs of medical operations because they can’t afford to pay for health insurance from their incomes .

  • Greenflag

    @ South Down stoop ,

    Largely agree with your posting above at 10.54 am . However just a couple of qualifications ‘

    ‘These people can’t get jobs because the U.S. government has neglected to allow them the facilities to do so. ‘

    The assumption behind the above quote is that if these people got a good education and were brought up in families which were’nt dependent on ‘welfare’ that they would be in employment and thus could afford healthcare insurance .

    While that situation might in present economic conditions apply to a small number of said people the harsh fact of economic life is that there are somewhere between 25 to 28 million people without work and jobs are not being created in the numbers needed . Also most of the new jobs being created are low paying and do not provide health insurance as a benefit .And many of the very large corporations are reducing their private health insurance cover because they can no longer afford to pay the premiums or the largest portion of same for their employees . Thus 50 million are without any health insurance and probably another 100 to 150 million are at risk of losing their health insurance if they should lose their job etc . So what you have in the USA is the prospect of ever increasing insurance premiums for those who have private health insurance .The protected classes will continue to be those who are fortunate enough to be employed by the large corporations that are market dominant and can afford to pay for their employees out of vast profits and also those in the public sector and the politicians .

    ‘American conservatives argue people should pay their own way in life – they fail to realise that the inequality of the modern USA makes this a virtual impossibility.’

    Not quite an impossibility for all Americans but for 150 million and probably more . Certainly for the bottom 50 to 100 million who are on low incomes and who if they had to pay for private health insurance from their wages would be spending 50% of their income on health insurance . Presumably they could do this while living on a park bench or in a tent city which is now an option outside American cities in the warm south of the country .

    As for American ‘conservatives ‘ failing to realise that may be true of some but the vast majority are only too well aware . They know that they could’nt live on the wages that these poor Americans eke out an existence on but hey it’s a free society isn’t it / Can’t they just die or go somewhere else seems to be the preferred stance . Even one of their standard bearers mr Romney has professed publicly he’s not concerned about ‘the poor ‘ .

  • Greenflag

    @ Caear F ,

    ‘there’s key middle-class constituencies, especially women’s votes, slipping away from the Republican Party. Rick Santorum’s “vagina monologue” has been one factor, but Limbaugh hasn’t helped.’

    Indeed and the cartoonists are having a field day with the controversy .

    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/05/147986184/double-take-toons-no-judgment-to-rush

  • Mickles

    I wonder what Rush and those on the right who are outraged that their war-funding, vasectomy-funding, viagra-funding, wall-street/banker bailout-funding, tax dollars are used to provide free medical contraception for women, think should be done with all the extra children that would be born, given the right’s desire to de-fund education, childcare and welfare? What is the right’s solution to all the extra mouths that would need fed?

    Fine for the rich, (or those with rich parents) who can afford their own birth control, but if the poor had to pay for their own which they couldn’t, how the hell does the right expect them to raise kids? What’s the answer to that and why does no one ask these questions?

    Why doesn’t it make sense to fund poor families contraception, given that they could hardly afford to raise kids?? If your answer is simply that poor people shouldn’t have sex at all then you live in a make believe world – in fact, saying the poor shouldn’t have sex is pretty much the intervention in people’s personal lives that the right always (falsely) accuses the left of doing. And why should citizens of any country be forced to live according to what the Catholic Church says anyway? And since the Bible was written thousands of years before contraception was invented, how could it possibly decry contraception? It drives me mad that no one puts these questions to the religious right.

    Tax dollars go to religious organizations already, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Office_of_Faith-Based_and_Community_Initiatives) so why should non religious citizens be forced to fund things they don’t believe in?

    And PaulUK, Keith Olbermann did lose his job, Maher is a Comedian, and Sarah Palin is an idiot, if you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it and I’ll cite 5:1 examples of her stupidity.

    And Harry Flashman, no one was ‘urging the poor US taxpayer to fund sexual activities’. You really need an education in what birth control is used for, (HINT: IT’S NOT FOR PROMISCUOUS SEX) as does your friend Rush, who has no children of his 4 wives.

  • Harry Flashman

    “When will it be possible for a woman to argue in a mature way any gender-issue without such gynophobic come-backs?”

    Not sure, better ask all those foul-mouthed lefties quoted above who heaped dreadful sexist abuse on conservative women.

    “how the hell does the right expect them to raise kids? What’s the answer to that and why does no one ask these questions?”

    Mickles, the right believes in individual freedom, rights and responsibilities, if people want to have many children that is their free choice.

    Only Communists impose child rationing. No surprise to see the left are still determined to limit the personal choices of the poor.

    By the way for every so-called “idiotic” thing you can quote about Palin I can match by an even greater idiocy spoken by the brainiest US president ever in history, Barack H Obama.

  • Mickles

    Way to change the focus Harry, have you not got any examples of Sarah’s shining intellect?

    And just to be clear, what if the poor want to have contraception, and not too many children?

    Are you saying that there aren’t enough people in the world, and absolutely NOTHING should be done to combat overpopulation? Are you saying we should keep on multiplying so the extra bodies will diminish all the resources and job of the world? Are you saying people who can’t afford to raise children should have them regardless because the Catholic Church they don’t believe in says so?

  • Harry Flashman

    I am saying quite simply that if people want to have children that is their right, like I say only lefties want to ban people from having kids.

    I didn’t change the focus by the way, in a discussion about the vile filth heaped on females in the media, I mentioned Palin, you countered this by continuing to abuse the woman by calling her an idiot. I rebutted your asinine point by pointing out that she is no more of an “idiot” than Barack H Obama.

  • Mickles

    Yea, but she is an idiot, she couldn’t even handle her full term as Governor. She promoted the ‘death panel’ (a right wing outright lie) talking point over and over, she got the story of Paul Revere laughably wrong, the ‘Blood Libel’ gaffe, demonized ‘socialized medicine’ after having admitted crossing the border to the socialist nation of Canada for medical treatment, she got the role of vice president wrong, couldn’t name any supreme court descisions other than Roe vs Wade. Again, if you have an example of her intellect, produce it.

    Who said lefties want to ban people from having kids? Where’s that line from?

    I would say that the poor should have the freedom (understand freedom?) to choose whether or not to have kids, and by forcing them to pay for contraception, you take away that choice. You say if they want to have sex, they MUST have kids whether they’re able to afford them or not.

    Again, WHY is it a bad thing for govt to help people who can’t afford to raise kids?

    Why is it a bad thing when the govt, by the right’s own admission provides too much welfare already?? Wouldn’t the preventative measure of providing free contraception for the poor save the govt from having to spend more on welfare, education and childcare down the road? How can you not see that? What is your answer to that – I’m dying to know???

  • Harry Flashman

    Understand freedom? Pah, it’s the left who have difficulties with that simple concept!

    If people want to have kids it is no damn business of the bloody government, what part of that do you not seem to understand mickles old chum?

    Keep out of the bedroom statists, it’s not your concern, butt out!

  • Mickles

    Aw, disappointed. You’re gonna fob me off with that short answer? Address the questions, specifically this one, I really want to hear an answer from the right on this:

    ‘Why is it a bad thing when the govt, by the right’s own admission provides too much welfare already?? Wouldn’t the preventative measure of providing free contraception for the poor save the govt from having to spend more on welfare, education and childcare down the road?

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 2:18 pm

    “the vile filth heaped on females in the media”

    Doesn’t that make the point about gynophobic language?

    Let’s admit Sarah Palin sold herself as “a pit-bull with lipstick”. Response in kind was wrong, but inevitable.

    An “idiot” is a fool, not gender-specific. “Batshit crazy” is further down that road, one way of describing a belief in light-bulbs killing pet dogs and cats, and hardly hormonal. A “prostitute”, a “slut” or a “ho” takes us onto a different plane. That’s the beef about Limbaugh.

  • Mickles

    Looks like Harry has retreated to the bubble, was really hoping to hear a right wing answer regarding the long term financial benefits of free contraception for the poor.

    The policies of the right just don’t hold up under scrutiny it seems. They go back to the old base cry of ‘not the government’s business, butt out!’ – even though the right wants government to limit the choices of the poor at the behest of a religious organization. Crazy logic and hypocrisy.

  • Harry Flashman

    “Looks like Harry has retreated to the bubble”

    No Mickles, unlike you I actually have a life, if you want to know I went home to my bed.

    Now to address your points;

    “by forcing them to pay for contraception, you take away that choice.”

    Balls, contraception has never been cheaper, no one is forced to do anything. If you want to access contraception you are perfectly free to do so, if you genuinely have difficulties affording it, something I seriously doubt, there are many state and private agencies which are happy to assist. The Catholic church is not one of those agencies, it goes against their deeply help moral beliefs and to force them to do so infringes their freedom of conscience.

    Freedom again that pesky word the left hates.

    “Wouldn’t the preventative measure of providing free contraception for the poor save the govt from having to spend more on welfare, education and childcare down the road?”

    It may or may not do. I don’t care, I am utterly apathetic to that particular issue until such time as the government imposes its highly questionable moral code on to other people who do not share their moral principals. That is undemocratic, oppressive and unjust.

    I hope this clears things up for you.

  • Harry Flashman

    @Caesar Frankfurter

    “A “prostitute”, a “slut” or a “ho” takes us onto a different plane. That’s the beef about Limbaugh.”

    Help me out Caesar how does darlings of the left wing mediasphere calling Palin a “dumb twat” (twat is equivalent to the C-word), Susan Ingraham a “slut”, twice, Congresswoman Bachman a “bimbo” saying of Michelle Malkin; “When I read [Malkin’s] stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth”, differ in any way from what Rush said?

    It all looks kinda gynophobic to me, but then like I say it’s ok when lefties do it.

  • pauluk

    It’s been amazing to watch the highly coordinated manipulation of this issue by the Democrats and the liberal media. They will do anything to distract from Obama’s weaknesses and failures.

    This brief Powerline summary of the present controversy hits the main points of Limbaugh’s inappropriate words and the resulting hypocritical media storm.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 7:46 am:

    Help me out equally. I think I agreed with that point @ 6 March 2012 at 1:00 pm and again @ 3:14 pm above. On the whole sexist language is less frequent and less accepted on the left than the right.

    The only persons I recognise in your examples are Sarah Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann. You’d need to explain the others to me. Bill Maher’s remark was widely criticised. He was responding to Palin’s crass insensitivity over the Japanese tsunami, exploiting the tragedy to push Alaskan oil-interests. Might “dumb” on its own be acceptable?

    Limbaugh makes a career of gynophobic stuff, however. These outbursts seem to arrive every time his ratings slip. His “apology” was “I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.” Three days and a score of defecting sponsors later that is no apology. Limbaugh now blames his misogyny on “the leftists who despise me” (as also @ 7:54 am). That’s not at all convincing.

    You were right about religious freedom. Limbaugh, though, lost the plot and so derailed a strong and winning argument. The Republican Party can hardly thank him. That, I thought, was Ruarai’s point.

  • Harry Flashman

    Michelle Malkin is an American columnist of filipina descent, she has actually produced a book documenting the crazy, deranged, violent, sexist, racist filth produced by left wing media and activists in the US in order to counteract the absurd belief, shared by you, that the right is somehow more hate filled than their left wing counterparts.

    Given Malkin’s gender and racial origins you can well imagine the sort of vile slurs heaped on her, the one I cited is commonplace.

    As the husband of an Asian woman I can confirm the sort of offensive racist and sexist trash that left wingers casually throw around, I have been subject to it myself frequently here on Slugger.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 10:48 am

    Thank you. I’ve made the connection.

    And Susan Ingraham?

  • Harry Flashman

    Whoops! My apologies, that should of course have read Laura Ingraham, prominent US conservative commentator.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @11:18 am

    Again, thanks.

    Does this abuse go beyond Fox regulars?

  • Mickles

    @ Harry,

    “I don’t care.”

    That’s the mantra of the right. All I needed to know, thanks. BTW, the problem is that the proposal by the right is to permit ALL employers, Catholic or not, to refuse medical coverage on moral grounds, which opens up a crazy can of worms only the right could come up with.

    No one would force Catholics to take contraception, or the Catholic employers to test it out first – the law would give the option to take it or leave it, how do you get ‘oppressive’ from providing the option of medical aid for women? (again, in big letters so you can see it: CONTRACEPTION IS FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES, NOT JUST SEXUAL PROMISCUITY).

    Why is the Catholic church against women being covered for medical contraception? Why does the boys club get to decide on women’s issues, whilst anyone attempting to speak out on behalf of women is censored by the right, and insulted by the likes of Limbaugh. The right are simply anti-women, and the article shows that in all it’s glory.

    It’s worth mentioning that 75% of U.S. Catholics believe the church should allow the use of contraception, (2005 Gallup poll – and that number probably has gone up since then). So even the actual people affected by this, want the free contraception, making it – what’s that word – DEMOCRATIC.

  • Harry Flashman

    “Why is the Catholic church against women being covered for medical contraception? Why does the boys club get to decide on women’s issues, whilst anyone attem…blah blah blah”

    I am not a spokesman for the Catholic church, why they believe in something is not my concern. I do care deeply about governments enforcing their ideology on people who disagree with them.

    It’s called freedom of conscience, I know the left abhors any freedom that is not handed down by government officials but some of us feel rather strongly about freedom of worship, conscience, association and speech.

  • Harry Flashman

    “Does this abuse go beyond Fox regulars?”

    No, I think you’ll find its against anyone who opposes the left wing agenda, why don’t you spoil yourself and buy Michelle Malkin’s well-researched book “Unhinged”, it’ll be an eye-opener for you.

  • Mickles

    Harry, “I do care deeply about governments enforcing their ideology on people who disagree with them”

    But it’s a fact (remember facts?) that the people WANT the contraception, even over 75% of Catholics, the only ones who don’t want the govt to provide free contraception are the Church elders (and maybe the poor, poor rich folk, who are happy enough for their tax dollars to go towards viagra, vasectomies and silly things like the maintenance of roads people use to get to work), are you actually saying that only Church elders and the rich should dictate public policy – I’m sure there’s a word for that…

  • Harry Flashman

    I have no interest in debating why the Catholic Church does something, it’s their right to stick by their morality as they see it.

    The US government – remember the doctrine of separation of church and state?- has no right to force citizens to abjure their religious principles.

    God, this is getting so tiresome Mickles, what part of this basic principle of human rights and freedom of religion do you have difficulty comprehending?

    Is the US government entitled to order Muslim institutions to sell alcohol and bacon sandwiches?

  • Mickles

    Poor Harry:
    “Is the US government entitled to order Muslim institutions to sell alcohol and bacon sandwiches?”

    There’s the false equivalency that’s so typical of the right when they can’t properly justify something. Trying to equate a women’s health issue with forcing Muslim institutions to sell bacon and alcohol is ludicrous and really shows up your flimsy argument, and you know it. They are in no way the same thing.

    Bottom line is that the elders of the Catholic church want to deny women the proper health benefits they deserve and are entitled to, and, surprise surprise, employers like the sound of being able to deny coverage based on vague ‘moral’ objections to save them a quick buck and keep the working woman down, despite the fact that in the long run, free contraception benefits all of society, who are free to use or not use it as their moral compass dictates (hint: most use it). Under the right’s proposal, the poor get no choice because the contraception wouldn’t be available.

    And quit with the “but it’s so cheap everyone can afford it” line – the rich never have to worry about money, but if you ever had to choose between paying rent and eating, maybe you would appreciate the predicament some people can be in, simply because they don’t come from a well off background. It’s like that Fox news host who says poor people can’t be poor because they have a refrigerator.

    “The US government, has no right to force citizens to abjure their religious principles”

    – come out of the bubble Harry – remember the facts: OVER 75% of CATHOLIC citizens WANT contraception.

    It would seem that you do indeed think a handful of Church elders should dictate public policy to all. Shameful. So sad that you don’t see the hypocrisy.

  • Mac

    “Is the US government entitled to order Muslim institutions to sell alcohol and bacon sandwiches?”

    Beer and bacon butties have nothing to do with health care provision, stop being stupid.

    My wife was prescribed the pill to help with PMS over 10 years ago, the opinions of sexless and sexist males should have no bearing on her healthcare decisions.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 12:14 pm

    Just looked up the Malkin book. 170 pages of text (nearly suitable for the “large print” shelves) costing 10p a page. Lots of appended material available for free elsewhere. Seems like something I can miss on.

    Would eyes be opened by “journalism” of this quality? —

    “Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
    Ow. Phew. Let me catch my breath. I just heard about the launch of the Obama administration’s new “Truth Team.”
    (Which is, in truth, the same thing as Attack Watch and all the other Obama snitch brigades created over the past three years.)
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah.”

  • Mac

    “Just looked up the Malkin book. ”

    I saw her arguing for the return of internment camps for middle-easterners on a TV show.
    She’s like Limbaugh, be ‘outrageous’, make money on book sales. People like that add nothing, best to just ignore and leave them to their mouth breathing audience.

  • Mickles

    @ Caesar Frankfurter

    That quote makes my eyes hurt. Why would she need to catch her breath when writing?

    Yea, the folks quoting the Daily Beast and The Blaze and the likes of Malkin kind of undermines the ‘liberal media’ accusation that gets hurled about at any organization who dares to use facts.

    I wonder what these folks consider to be non-liberal media, (aside from the hyper partisan and self-admitted biased organizations such as those I mentioned, and of course Fox News).

  • Harry Flashman

    Oh heavens you guys still don’t get it do you? You can not overthrow constitutionally enshrined rights simply on the basis of someone having problems accessing a form of medication.

    If you go down that road where do you choose to stop? At what point do you simply overthrow all constitutional protections in order to help everyone who is in a tight spot?

    Above we have Malkin being ridiculed for suggesting that internment of Middle-Eastern people would be a way of stopping terrorism and thus saving lives. She might have a point, I doubt it, but it’s no less ludicrous than the idea that the state can abolish freedom of conscience for one citizen in order to facilitate the well-being of another citizen.

    Do you see how it works? Even if terrorists are threatening to attack people the government cannot simply overthrow constitutional rights, it must stick by the constitution, no matter how unfortunate the results.

    Once you give the power to the government to overthrow centuries old constitutional protections to suit your particular political ideology you cannot then complain when a later government, a government you might not like, decides to overthrow other constitutional freedoms and safeguards to get through their particular pet projects.

    I really, really hope this fundamental, some might say rather simple, principle is now understood by you all. It amazes me that rational people actually need to have such basic stuff spelt out for them.

  • Caesar Frankfurter

    @ 2:21 am

    Is that relevant?

    The Supreme Court protects “constitutionally enshrined rights”, and annually adds to them. Result: we know just how reactionary those fat cats lavishly financing super PACs are.

    Who protects an individual smeared as a “slut” and “prostitute” on 600 radio stations nationwide? There is no point (but a lot of expense) in suing Limbaugh and Clear Channel, because the damage is done. Limbaugh can hide behind a non-apology which only comes after repeating his abuse over three successive days, and be punished by rising four dozen advertisers pulling sponsorship.

    It’s OK to attack Fluke on her dubious facts.

    It’s not OK for any organisation suddenly to discover moral or religious principles to exclude itself from legal obligations. If health insurance why not all other worker rights?

    It’s political fair game to attempt to reverse the rules on health insurance. It may be unwise since the Kaiser poll gives two-to-one public support for contraception being included in health insurance.

    What’s not OK is to impute extreme immorality to anyone who crosses the GOP opinion makers. That’s playing the girl and not the pill.

  • Harry Flashman

    “Is that relevant?”

    It’s the absolute rock-solid core of the argument, all the flimflam about Limbaugh and Fluke is irrelevant chaff.

  • pauluk

    This short video and analysis exposes the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the Democratic party when it comes to women’s rights. Obama and the Democrats have become the party of hate.

  • Mickles

    “If you go down that road where do you choose to stop?”

    Another right wing bleating point – the tired old mantra of ‘if we allow this, then what’s to stop that…’

    “At what point do you simply overthrow all constitutional protections in order to help everyone who is in a tight spot?” – At no point Harry. No one has suggested this, you just made that up – the right frequently does this bit of verbal trickery, where they reduce the argument to absurdity to detract from the point at hand. No one is fooled Harry, stick to the point.

    Whose rights are being violated here? The 75% + of US Catholics who WANT contraception?

    Why do you want to deny coverage to women with Ovarian Cysts, which is one of the many medical issues that contraception covers? Why do you want to slow down the economy as women have to take time off work during a heavy or painful period? Are you so anti-women it blinds you to the facts?

    *p.s. you do know that here in the UK women have free access to contraception and no one seems to have a problem with it.

  • Mickles

    @ PaulUK

    That video exposes nothing, except the moral bankruptcy of whoever made it. Where do these Congresswomen say they agreed with Maher’s comments? Do you have a video of that?

    If your argument is that Maher gave the DNC a million dollars, therefore the Democrats must agree with all his statements, well my friend, by that logic, the GOP agree with statements by their donors, which in this case includes white supremacists (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-12-19-3866702484_x.htm).

    Therefore you are saying the GOP support the view of white supremacists? Dear me. That’s way worse than what Maher said.

    By the way, Maher is a comedian, and if you can find any videos of Democrats standing by Maher’s comments or views, please do post them, meanwhile, here are the GOP candidates resonses to Rush (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/From-the-Wires/2012/0306/Where-GOP-candidates-stand-on-Rush-Limbaugh-remarks)

    Hardly denouncing Rush outright are they?

  • Harry Flashman

    “Whose rights are being violated here? The 75% + of US Catholics who WANT contraception?

    Why do you want to deny coverage to women with Ovarian Cysts, which is one of the many medical issues that contraception covers?”

    Oh Christ mickles you still don’t get it do you?

    I don’t want to deny anyone anything. What 75% of Catholics say they want in an opinion poll is utterly irrelevant to the point.

    Governments have no right forcing a religious institution to abjure their deeply held religious principles, separation of church and state is an absolute fundamental basis of the US Constitution.

    I have beaten my head off a brick wall trying to get you to understand this absurdly simple principle, if you really haven’t grasped it by now mate, there’s little more I can do to enlighten you.

  • pauluk

    Mickles, a double standard pervades the Democratic party and the mainstream media. Limbaugh used inappropriate words when he lowered himself to the standards of the left, and he subsequently apologised. Left-wing liberals have said far more disgusting things about women than Limbaugh has ever done, but they have never apologised and are, in fact, protected in their misogyny by the Democrats and MSM.

    Obama’s exploitation of this and other recent events in attacking private citizens belittles the office of president and has again shown his hatred, contempt and vindictiveness towards anyone who does not see things the way he does. He has made Americans more divided than ever before. Time for a change from the divisive radicalism of Obama’s America.

  • Mickles

    Religious institutions in the US enjoy TAX EXEMPT status. The properties, and businesses they run, are lost potential revenue that could pay for schools, roads, jobs, whatever. They get a free pass from the govt – I guess the separation of church and state only cuts one way eh? Beat your head off that. I wonder how much outrage would ensue if the Church lost it’s tax exempt status.

    Given the free ride religious institutions get from the US govt – free contraception for employees is the least they could do, instead of using saved tax dollars to hide paedophiles. And again, avoid the question as you will – where in the thousands of years old bible does it say women shouldn’t have access to medical birth control?

    “naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me”

    So called Christians would do well to read their own books.

  • Mickles

    Pauluk you live in a fantasy land, I noticed your lack of evidence for you wild accusations.

    I’m curious, what organizations do you think are the mainstream media – and what organizations are NOT mainstream media?

    “Left-wing liberals have said far more disgusting things about women than Limbaugh has ever done, but they have never apologised and are, in fact, protected in their misogyny by the Democrats and MSM.”

    – and your proof of this is where, you can’t claim liberals have said disgusting things and not show where? Where have Democrats protected them or are you just making this all up?

  • pauluk

    Mickles, there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

    Here’s one more example, Mickles. You need to start doing your own research. But I suspect you really aren’t interested in facts.

    Have a good one!

  • Mickles

    That’s an example? Of what?

    You totally ignored the questions put to you, in your bubble. When and where did democrats stand by Bill Maher’s comments? WHERE? WHEN? Have you any proof the Democrats even heard any of Maher’s comments?

    Some guy with a camera saying ‘cunt’ to a congresswoman in the street is in no way proof of anything other than the diversionary tactics the right use to draw attention away from their own bigotry. It’s well known how the right accuses the left of doing exactly what the right does on a regular basis.

    I gave you a list of Republicans refusing to denounce Rush, and you provide no proof any Democrats supporting Maher.

    And again, HOW does a person’s donation to a super PAC say that the candidate which the super PAC supports must adhere to the views of the donor? Because if that IS what you’re saying, then the GOP have radical white supremacist views, as white supremacist have donated to the GOP super PAC.

  • Mickles

    And your citing ‘hot air’ as a credible source? One glance at the homepage reveals what a wildly right wing site that is.

  • pauluk

    zzzzzzzz

  • Mickles

    Yea Paul, back to sleep in the right wing bubble you go, sleep and ignore the facts, you can wake up when Glenn Beck tells you what to say next.

    Meanwhile, since the story on the atrocities committed by Joseph Kony are doing the rounds now, I thought it interesting to show those defending Rush this page FROM RUSH’S OWN WEBSITE, defending Kony, and attacking Obama for sending troops to help combat Kony’s Lord’s Resistance Army:

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/14/obama_invades_uganda_targets_christians

    Are you still convinced Rush is a good person and credible source of facts?

  • Greenflag

    @ paul uk ,

    ‘there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.’

    All you have to do then is to stop not wishing and open your eyes , unwax your ears and stop looking at Fox News or listening to either the O’Reilly or Hannity or Beck gobshites lest you never get out of the ditch you’ve dug for yourself :(

  • pauluk

    You’ll love this, guys!

    The story has moved on and the hypocrisy and double standards of the media, and Obama and his sycophants are now being repeatedly exposed.

    What disgusting little people!

    Just watch the movie…

  • Harry Flashman

    Ah yes those oh so lovable, civil, caring lefties who are so outraged by Limbaugh’s comments. If the above wasn’t enough let us examine this doozie;

    “Now it turns out that not only is Bill (“Sarah Palin is a c***”) Maher headlining a Dem fundraiser but that President Civility himself was due to attend the Radio & TV Correspondents’ Dinner and enjoy the late-night comedy stylings of Louis C.K.”

    Louis CK, who he? Well he wrote this highly amusing and very civil piece of discourse:

    “Louis C.K. says of Palin: “her fucking retard making cunt” and “the baby that just came out of her fucking disgusting cunt.”

    Charming company Obama keeps.

  • Greenflag

    @ Paul UK and HarryFlash

    Sluggerites would like to know

    Which of you two is the one sitting on the carpet and which is the idiot drone ?

    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/11/148234159/double-take-toons-everybody-must-get-droned

  • Greenflag

    Meanwhile not content with burning Korans (albeit unintentionally) the USA placates local feelings by this shooting spree .

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/11/148388254/u-s-service-member-detained-for-allegedly-shooting-afghans

    How to win friends and influence people has never been high on the agenda of Empires . It’s the ‘power ‘ ye see and the money and the stuff etc etc :(

  • pauluk

    greenflag, Obama is the commander-in-chief. Take it up with him and the Dems.

  • Harry Flashman

    Ah, Greenie, ran away from the Indonesia discussion just to post inanities here did you?

  • Greenflag

    @ Harry Flashman & Paul uk

    Ah the comeback kids again . Thanks for letting me know that Paul is the drone and Harry the carpet sitter.

    BTW Harry -I would’nt call the mass killing of women and children an ‘inanity ‘ . Thats the kind of talk I’d expect from your hero the Limbo Mouth .

    You should know by now that Greenflag never runs away should’nt you ? And I do recommend a read of Amy Chua ‘s ‘World on Fire ‘ .

  • Mickles

    Harry and Paul, you offer no explanation how Maher’s comments of calling a public figure a dumb twat equate with Limbaugh calling women who seek access to medical birth control sluts?

    You’re saying that painting all women as sluts for seeking medical coverage that would help the economy in the long run, is the exact same as calling one public figure a dumb twat?

    Maher isn’t calling Palin a dumb twat because she’s a woman, he’s calling her that for being a dumb twat, again, please do show proof to the contrary if there is any, I’ve a whole load of links that prove her dumbness.

    The right always go to Maher for the false equivalency. Conservatives regularly go on Limbaugh’s show to kiss his ass, the right in the US take their marching orders from him, whereas if the left listened to Maher, pot would be legal, guantanamo would be closed, and there’d be no troops in Afganistan.

    All these accusations and nothing to back it up but flimsy links to crazy, gold-hucking, apocalypse-survival-pack-selling, right wing lie-sites.

  • Harry Flashman

    What about the “cunt” references Mickles? Are they ok?

    Ms Fluke is not a private citizen, she is a political activist, campaigning for a political cause, volunteering to take part in a public political debate, to espouse publicly her political beliefs, on a political issue, in a political forum.

    She is in other words a public political figure and as such is as fair game as any other public political figure.

  • Harry Flashman

    As regards your obsession with Mrs Palin’s intellectual capacity, every “dumb” thing you can attribute to her I can match with idiocies from your idol Obama.

  • Mickles

    Well done on ignoring the facts inside your bubble again, and making the false equivalency beween the right painting women who use medical contraception as sluts, with one man who called a dumb twat a dumb twat and a cunt. It’s astounding that you can’t see how you’re avoiding the issue by constantly bringing up Maher, as if to say, “Rush is right to paint all women as sluts because Maher called one politician dumb”, like those are the same thing, and make the right’s war on women justified. How is calling someone dumb misogynist?

    Then you hurl out the accusation that because I don’t agree with you I must idolize Obama. Because you have no argument, I must be part of some leader worship conspiracy. Tell me where I came across as idolizing Obama?

    The topic is about Rush Limbaugh’s comments, not Obama’s, not Maher’s, yet because of your blind disdain for anything that might help women and the economy in general, you distract from the point. And now we see how vile Limbaugh is when he defends Kony – speaks to his character even more. Amazing that anyone calling themselves a human being could align themselves with such views, yet you do.

    No matter how many times you say ‘political’ Fluke is in fact a private citizen, not that I expect you to accept facts. She is not a politician, if you have facts to the contrary, please present them. It’s not even about Fluke, it’s about how the right are anti-women, anti-poor, and against the economy going better. That’s why social issues are on the agenda again, the economy’s getting better so conservatives must talk about inane things that have been argued about decades ago, as they have run out of ideas for taking the next election.

    Ok then, since you have yet to provide evidence of your much defended half-governor-reality-star’s intellect, and since you seem to think Maher’s comments are eqivalent to Rush’s, here’s my list – though I still don’t know what you obession with Maher has to do with Limbaugh’s stupidity, and how Maher’s comments are a defence of Limbaugh’s, nevertheless:

    1. Paul Revere: “He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin’ sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.”

    2. Invoking the phrase ‘blood libel’.

    3. “Peaceful New Yorkers, pls refute the Ground Zero mosque plan if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real.” – actual twitter message.

    4. “What the federal government should have done is accept the assistance of foreign countries, of entrepreneurial Americans who have had solution that they wanted presented … The Dutch and the Norwegians, they are known for dikes and for cleaning up water and for dealing with spills.” – Sarah’s solution to the Gulf Oil spill.

    5. “Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant — they’re quite clear — that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments.”

    6. “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?”

    7. Writing words on her hand for a speech: “energy,” “budget” (crossed out and replaced with “tax cuts”) and “lift American spirits”, mere moments after demonizing the president for using a teleprompter, like ever other president since it’s invention.

    8. “Who calls a shot like that? Who makes a decision like that? It’s a disturbing trend.” putting forward the idea that “In God We Trust” was moved to the edge of coins by the Obama administration (change made by Bush administration in 2007 – later reversed by Congress, before Obama took office)

    9. “It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: ‘Sit down and shut up,’ but that’s the worthless, easy path; that’s a quitter’s way out.” announcing her resignation as governor.

    10. “They’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.” – getting the vice president’s constitutional role wrong.

    11. “As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” – explaining why Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience.

  • Harry Flashman

    Hha, so what are we to think of a man who couldn’t even get the facts straight in his own, yes his own, autobiography? Who sailed through an academic legal career without ever publishing any academic studies? Who indeed seems strangely reluctant to publish any of his academic records, such a genius he is.

    Who got himself elected to a state legislature which he then dropped not before voting “present” (ie in the building but can’t be arsed to make my mind up) on dozens of legislative issues. Who didn’t realize that the charming hosts where he was launching his political career were former terrorists? Who had no idea that the preacher whose church he attended for twenty years, who baptized his children, was an out and out racist fruitloop? Shocked he was, shocked!

    What is one to make of a man who gets his staffers to put up an obviously Photoshopped birth certificate for three years knowing every conspiracy theorist in the country has questions about it before finally getting around to posting the real thing? Political genius of the highest order. Who couldn’t seem to get the story straight about whether he saw Bin Laden getting shot live on webcam or if the pictures he produced of himself watching the incident were in fact not what he originally said they were? Odd fellow that.

    We’ll leave aside his Palinisms like thinking there are 57 states in the Union, that Austrians speak Austrian, that his home state of Hawaii is in Asia, that naval medics are called corpse-men or that fallen heroes were present at one of his functions, we’ll just have to accept the claim he’s got the shrewdest mind since Dan Quayle on its own merits.

    However if you really want to see what an eloquent statesman fully in control of all the issues looks like have a wince at this;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

    At least Palin can speak off the cuff.

  • Mickles

    Oh, right, you’re in the tinfoil hat brigade, well let me put the birther issue to rest, since Donald Trump has been trumped on that bull, when you scan a document into Adobe Illustrator, it can auto-enhance the PDF by splitting it into layers using OCR. I know the right don’t want to hear facts, especially not when they peddle the frequently debunked thinly veiled racism of birthers, but there they are, further proof here: (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding)

    So Trump can’t prove Obama is a Kenyan and he goes after the academic record, the exposure of which would do what exactly? He went to Harvard, what does Palin have, a communications degree. Nice.

    He’s denounced the statements of Jeremiah Wright and left the Church.

    And regarding the ‘terrorist’ thing you’re talking about, if you mean Bill Ayers, then tell me, what has Bill Ayers been prosecuted for, ever? Anyway here are the facts on that wild statement (hint: Obama has nothing to do with Bill Ayers, your points are false):
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/

    And that’s a fun video of a teleprompter malfunction, but it means nothing here, you’re clutching at straws. Only an idiot would go into detail on important issues without a teleprompter, all presidents have used one since it’s invention. Palin literally speaks off the cuff as she writes on her hand.

    See how far you’ve got from the topic though? All you care about is Obama bashing, but the issue of this topic is that a vile radio host, who the conservative politicians in the US fail to denounce, suggests women who seek access to medical birth control, something that helps women and the economy, are sluts. To distract from having to deal with this you bring up Bill Maher and bash Obama with ridiculous, widely debunked lies.

    Now this pig ignorant, Kony-supporting blob, has made this a national issue, with Romney declaring he will de-fund planned parenthood if elected, and most of the candidates, and their mouthpiece Fox news, demonizing the federal funding of something that was funded by public money on a statewide basis anyway! Dumb.

  • Mickles

    Not sure what’s preventing my comments from being moderated, the gist is that I know the right don’t want to hear facts, but the truth on your (regularly debunked) claim about the photoshopped birth cert is here: (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding)

    The President has denounced the controversial statements of Jeremiah Wright and left that particular Church – can the same be said of the right wing politicians who fail to distance themselves from Rush’s sentiments?

    And regarding the ‘terrorist’ thing you’re talking about, if you mean Bill Ayers, then tell me, what has Bill Ayers been prosecuted for, ever? Anyway here are the facts on that wild statement (in short: Obama has nothing to do with Bill Ayers, your points are false):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/

    And that’s a fun video of a teleprompter malfunction, but it means nothing here, no public figure could, would or should go into detail on important issues without a teleprompter, all presidents have used one since it’s invention. Palin literally speaks off the cuff as she writes on her hand. Are you saying no one should ever read off anything, ever? You’re anti-education too? Seriously? What is your problem with preparation? The way Palin gets on, you’d think no politician should ever read anything!

    See how far you’ve got from the topic though? All you care about is Obama bashing, but the issue of this topic is a vile radio host, who suggests women who seek access to medical birth control (something that helps women and the economy) are sluts. To distract from having to deal with this you bring up Bill Maher and bash Obama with ridiculous, widely debunked lies, indicating you agree with Rush, as does the republican party who have him as an honorary member of their caucus.

    (http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/12/us/republicans-get-a-pep-talk-from-rush-limbaugh.html)

    Now Rush, the Kony-supporting blob, has made contraception a national issue, and put it on the agenda of the republican candidates, with Romney declaring he will de-fund planned parenthood if elected, and most of the candidates, and their mouthpiece Fox news, demonizing the federal funding of women’s health.

    Why do the right, particularly the well-off complain they shouldn’t be funding a non controversial issue like women’s health, yet ALL taxpayers have contributed to the upkeep of the infrastructure, and the tax breaks that have enabled the rich folk to get rich in the first place?

    And finally, you can spurt nonsense about how it’s about religious freedom, but it’s not. If a Church is going to suck up tax dollars for charity, and enjoy tax free status on it’s businesses and properties, and if a Church is going to become an employer – they can provide the same healthcare everyone else has to. When you become an employer, what gives you the right to enforce your religious views on your employees? I’ll bet the right wouldn’t be so keen to allow Muslim employers to deny their employees health benefits based on vague moral objection.