Sanctioned ‘Gay Cure’ Psychiatrist on Board of Organisation Behind ‘Leper’ Conference
Controversial Belfast psychiatrist, Dr. Paul Miller, recently sanctioned by the General Medical Council, is a member of the Board of Reference of Core Issues, the controversial Lisburn-based counselling and advocacy organisation which teaches that homosexual practise is sinful and has been associated with controversial techniques including claims to be able to change sexual orientation in certain circumstances.
The sanctioning of Miller may prove particularly controversial as Core Issues’ Board of Reference is stated on the organisation’s website to be an “accountability link” in the context of how its counselling is regulated and approved.
Core Issues is organising a conference in East Belfast’s Orangefield Presbyterian Church this Friday and Saturday entitled “The Lepers Among Us – Homosexuality and the Life of the Church”. Miller is listed as a member of Core Issues Board of Reference in the brochure advertising this weekend’s conference on the organisation’s website. A coalition of LGBTI rights organisations in Belfast is organising a picket of the Friday morning session of the event.
Although, in recent press releases, CORE has claimed that, “Core Issues Trust does not offer so-called “Reparative‟ or „Conversion‟ therapy” (sic), its website states that “[s]upporting sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE) should be a possibility”.
Therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation has been repudiated by virtually every reputable psychiatric organisation in the UK, Ireland and across the world. Recently the President of Exodus International, the world’s largest so-called ‘ex-gay’ organisation, and hitherto a staunch defender of attempts to change sexual orientation, stated that “99.9 percent” of those undergoing such therapy “have not experienced a change in their orientation”.
Dr Paul Miller has been linked with efforts to change sexual orientation. In June 2008, Iris Robinson claimed on BBC Radio Ulster’s Nolan Show, that a ‘lovely psychiatrist’ friend of hers could turn gays “from what they are engaged in”. Dr. Miller, the psychiatrist referred to, was then a consultant in the Mater Hospital, an NHS hospital in Belfast. He has since left to work in the private sector full time.
In today’s Irish News, journalist Seanín Graham revealed that Miller faced a private hearing of the General Medical Council last week at which eight conditions were imposed on his ability to practise. These include that, for a period of 18 months, his day-to-day work must be supervised by a registered doctor of consultant grade and restrictions on working abroad.
Seanín Graham also wrote:
Two years ago, a London-based journalist, Patrick Strudwick, reported Dr Miller to the GMC after going undercover for the treatment.Mr Strudwick, who is gay, described the Belfast doctor’s therapies as “disturbing” following two sessions via a webcam.
“I felt disgusted and abused by his inappropriate sexual remarks during the sessions. To hear this from a psychiatrist during a session, it was like being sexually assaulted,” Mr Strudwick said in 2010.
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A GMC spokeswoman refused to comment on whether Mr Strudwick’s complaint resulted in the conditions being placed on Dr Miller’s licence, or if there had been additional complaints from the public.
Core Issues has clearly been shaken by the continual stream of negative publicity in Northern Ireland since its event held at Belvoir Church of Ireland Parish Church in summer 2011 was subject to picketing and adverse media reaction. Recent statements by the organisation seem to indicate a softening of their previously stonewall stance on gay issues in the church.
The step away from reparative therapy, noted above, is not a unique example of a softening in position by Core Issues. For example, the Core Issues website, drafted some years ago, studiously avoids saying the phrase ‘gay Christian’ or clearly stating that it is possible to be gay or gay affirming and a Christian. Instead they used circumlocutions such as “many people who are religious find homosexual practise quite consistent with their religious or spiritual values” and claimed that gay-affirming Christians “value the traditions of their forefathers in faith less than orthodox folk”. The most recent press statement however “acknowledges that Christians have different understandings of the teachings on the bible around human sexuality”, which seems to open a possibility of Core Issues affirming faithful and monogamous same-sex relationships in the future.
The publicity around Core Issues comes at the start of a period in which gay rights issues are likely to catapult to the top of both the religious and political agendas in Northern Ireland. The Anglican Church of Ireland, adhered to by around 15% of Northern Ireland’s people, will have a major conference on homosexuality in March before possibly legislating on the issue at its annual General Synod in May. MPs at Westminster will vote on legalising same-sex marriage in England during the lifetime of the current parliament. The measure is expected to pass overwhelmingly, and although it will affect England only, Northern Ireland MPs will have a vote. Scotland and Wales are also planning to introduce same-sex marriage in the near future, and the Republic of Ireland may well also do so before the current government’s mandate expires in 2016.
It is unlikely that Northern Ireland will follow suit immediately, as the complex architecture of its post-conflict political settlement effectively gives a veto on legislation to the populist-right DUP, strongly influenced by Evangelical Protestantism. Even if a coalition of radical left Sinn Féin, the social-democratic SDLP, the liberal Alliance Party and the moderate wing of the conservative UUP garnered a majority in the Northern Ireland Assembly, the DUP have sufficient blocking votes for contentious legislation, which can be defined by them. However, Northern Ireland is still likely to come under enormous pressure from governments in other parts of the British Isles, and from the courts, to recognise same-sex marriages contracted elsewhere. When the Republic of Ireland legalises same-sex marriage, the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement may open the door to legal challenges to a refusal to permit same-sex marriages to take place in the region.
Why are homosexuals called lepers by this man’s supporters?
ps: Sinn Fein is not a left wing party.
Ireland is not in the British Isles.
pps: I find something very unbecoming, at the very least, in the use of the word leper. Please explain to me how he and his supporters arrive at that word.
I think that this is disgusting. Leprosy is still present among us and I subscribe to a Canadian organization that helps to treat and cure the disease.
Gerry’s right if only we could get rid of the majority of Unionists and Evangelical prods we could do whatever we want!!!
We could all get married to each other and no could stop it!!
mwahahahaha!!!
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A part of me often wonders if the sort of Northern Ireland Gerry and the boys envisage is something akin to the Planet of the Apes except all the Apes are Homosexual.
Anyway good for you Gerry, if you see anyone who disagrees with you, protest their homes and places of worship until they get so scared that they simply sit alone in their houses hiding.
And keep up the cheapshots about a middle aged woman who suffered a mental breakdown!
As for the “lepers” comment who the hell do these prods think they are using metaphors!!
Belfast Gonzo had a good thread on this loony a while ago, though it may have been pulled due to a reference to a well known DUP family.
As to the 1st commentor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
Though I agree SF are not a left wing party, there are no mainstream left wing parties in Ireland or the UK.
Ah, yes, metaphors. For what might we use the metaphor of ‘leprosy’ for, youngpolitico… perhaps, “ugly, scabrous, disfigured people carrying a hideous disease that is spread by getting too close physically”.
The problem with Chistian homopobes is, they don’t even realise they’re homophobic. And BOY are they homophobic! Science disagrees with you? No problem! Jesus says science is bad!
I can’t believe I’m still having this conversation in 2012. I really can’t.
The ‘leper’ analogy demonstrates what a basic starting point there has to be in any attempt to persuade these people that their words and actions are harmful. It must be particularly difficult for all the non-crazy, non-discriminatory and non-stupid Christians who continually see this kind of nonsense presented as merely an ‘extreme’ of their own beliefs, rather than something quite different.
Actually, I’ll tell you another few things youngpolitico, I live in a Northern Ireland where its not morally acceptable to promote pseudoscience from mainline churches. Where counselling operates in a regulated framework that protects people from crackpot theories at variance with the almost universally held psychological opinion.
I live in a Republican community as an openly gay, openly non-Republican, openly Church of Ireland person and nobody ever gives me a bit of bother about it. If you want to extrapolate from that into a general point about urban Republican communities being more general than rural Unionist ones, that’s your funeral. But I’ve started coming across a lot of gay men in rural Prod communties who have been crushed by your Potëmkin culture, in some cases for more than half a century. And they never say stop kicking, they say get into them.
“The problem with Chistian homopobes is, they don’t even realise they’re homophobic.”
Totally agree. These Christian nut jobs need to shut the hell up and let other people live their lives in peace.
Well if you know what the Church of Ireland taught… and disagree it so much why on earth do you belong to it???
Or do you just go out of your way to be offended?
“I can’t believe I’m still having this conversation in 2012. I really can’t.”
That’s because not everyone has been a victim/sucker of the Marxist mis-education in our Universities over the best part of 50 years. A mis-education by the way which is increasingly being held up to ridicule and exposed as purposefully using academic falsity in the name of a manufactured morality that we are all supposed to adhere to.
The time of Marxist control of our Western education backed up by an anti-religious media creating anti-Christain nutjobs is on the way out. Thank God.
“ugly, scabrous, disfigured people carrying a hideous disease that is spread by getting too close physically”.
Leprosy is a dreadful affliction, the victims of this disease suffer enough physically without being treated as if they are subhuman.
The posters here who speak of lepers in terms of disgust are just as hate-filled as the people they claim to condemn.
Why the sudden outburst of leprophobia?
Agree, Harry. I think you live in east Asia. If so, you are more aware than most of us about this awful disease. Disrespect of the people afflicted is disgusting.
“Why the sudden outburst of leprophobia?”
Usually because the DUP want to distract attention from something else
One reason that Core Issues uses leprosy as a metaphor is that there are various occasions when Jesus cured leprosy (e.g. Luke 18:11-19) but absolutely none where he cured homosexuality. Indeed there are no occasions where he even mentions it.
Compare and contrast that with the numerous condemnations of religious hypocrisy and greed.
Perhaps there are some Core Issues that they need to address first.
Edgeoftheunion: Yes, Jes’ lepers came ito my mind just beofre i got to yours. Though one traditionally avoids lepers (and saultes to Mr Canuck for his work), not all leprocy is contagious. And most people don’t go out of their weay to avoud homoesexuals, the loud, noisy and pushy ones excepted (and ditto Republicans, religious nut jobs or similar types).
Bluesjazz: Ireland is not in the Britsh Isles. Get over your Hibernophobia whicxh is something many Prots have after a childhood listening to mad bible bashers. It is an extremely offensive term.
Yes, youngpolitico, I know what the Church of Ireland teaches about homosexuality – this is the only thing the Church has said on the subject in my lifetime as far as I know, and guess what, it doesn’t say what you think it does. Before that, the Church’s position on homosexuality was taken as given on the basis of shared social stigma. I don’t think that’s a good way to do theology myself, but you’re more than welcome to argue for that if you want.
It’s ironic that it’s the posters I would tend to associate with staunch Unionism who seem to think they’re immune from legal and cultural pressures driven, in large part, from the rest of the UK. Some married gay couples from GB are going to move to NI and at some point in the relatively near future one of them is going to seek to have their marriage recognised through the courts.
I thought abucs was particularly amusing. Yes, you’re right, gay people are going to suddenly abandon all their hard won freedoms and start going to Paul Miller for some counselling. Catch yourself on.
Gerry,
I have never taken any position on this site or elsewhere on homosexuality. I usually deliberately avoid the issue.
I am, however, interested in what you think a psychiatrist or anyone else should do if a person came to them and asked for help to stop being homosexual / having same sex attraction. Are there any circumstances in which you think it would be appropriate to try to help a person cease to be homosexual?
Counselling for what?
If they are homosexual or bisexual that is the way they are- for those who have a friend in the sky, the way God made them. Those who have problems with this should get over it. It doesn’t impact on them and really should be none of their business.
As for the attitudes of the political parties, those will be formed / shaped by the politically active membership sniffing out every vote they can get. That means that, while all the parties with be riddled with closeted gay people, corporately they will oppose any measures designed to benefit that community because there are votes in doing so,
Think of it this way, Turgon: how would one expect a psychiatrist to deal with a patient who and asked for help to stop being black, or Chinese, or Irish (or Ulster-Scots for that matter) and to become perfect little middle class Englishmen instead ?
Which is not so far-fetched as one might imagine. Indeed the Algerian psychiatrist dealt with just such a phenomenon and its social health consequences in The Wretched of the Earth. And although the Scottish psychiatrist R.D> Laing’s theories are no longer fashionable it would be true to say that the illness here attaches to the society from which the “patient” springs rather than the “patient” himself. It is not the evangelical homosexual within the evangelical community who is sick (other than he has been made sick by the hypocrisy and censure within that community) but rather evangelical protestant society itself that is sick, psychically fractured in attempting to adhere to a doctrine of love by preaching a doctrine of hate.
Less sectarianism and Christophobia please.
If we regard “evangelical protestant society”, which is easy to do, then the rest makes sense from their lights which are the lights that matter.
Homosexuality, like all kinds of sexual preferences, is part nature/nurture. To say otherwise means you have read too much Kinsey and have been brainwashed by the pinkos.
When a belief system is inelastic as “evangelical protestant society” in the 6 cos tends to be, then we get talk of lepers and what not. Its very rigidity leads to sexual aberrations, such as the bible thumpers who get caught with rent boys or pritests in the confessional entertaining bad thoughts as thye listen to foibles they can only dream about.
One recalls priests lecturing about sex; they knew as much about sex as Dr Miller seems to know about his trade.
After my mother had her youngest, a visiting Jesuit (no Micky Mudds or Paddy Stinks for us thank you) remarked she had lost a lot of weight. And so she had, as the baby she was suckling attested.
Today, retired Irish chappies find themselves being nursed by Asian transexuals, who are themselves very much part nature and nurture.
Che Guevara, I believe, passed the hash pipe with lepers.
Maybe “evangelical protestant society” by having a telthon for bath houses for lepers.
I’m dying to know where Core thinks west Belfast gays brought up in the 60′s and 70′s got the idea to start fancying men from?
The guys that I know and have met from that era tend to fall in to 2 narrative experiences or a blend of the 2.
The first is that they got married, had kids and then their marriages broke up. Misery all round because they tried to conform.
The second is that they went to London for several years or more only to return in the 80′s or 90′s when the voices of real people could be heard above the cacophony of the swing park chain gangs.
As Edgeoftheunion said, Issa/Jesus did not address homosexuality but there again, there’s a ton of things that Issa/Jesus taught and corrections of interpretations/teachings of the old testament that fundamentalists totally igniore. I wonder if their bibles come with the NT at all or just go straight through to the latter books that also feed their insanity
cynic2,
“Counselling for what?
If they are homosexual or bisexual that is the way they are- for those who have a friend in the sky, the way God made them. Those who have problems with this should get over it. It doesn’t impact on them and really should be none of their business.
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Rory Carr,
“Think of it this way, Turgon: how would one expect a psychiatrist to deal with a patient who and asked for help to stop being black, or Chinese, or Irish (or Ulster-Scots for that matter) and to become perfect little middle class Englishmen instead ?”
I have significant sympathy for those views. However, what if a man came to a psychiatrist saying he felt he should be a woman or vice versa? What should the psychiatrist do in such a case?
Might answer your question Turgon
http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927962.800-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
Turgon.
Andnowwhat has supplied some links that might lead you towards an understanding but really, are you so naive, so cut off there in the wilds of Fermangh that you do no have access to the three or four television programmes currently airing each week on this very issue?
Sexual identity and failure to assign correct gender because of the way genitalia may have presented at birth, thus creating confusion, has long been more readily understood and all who seek surgical or hormonal assistance towards gender reassignment are obliged to undergo psychiatric evaluation and counselling prior to a decision being made.
I have known two such male- to- female individuals in my working life and it was abundantly clear in both cases (although neither elected for surgical removal of the penis) that they had made the right decision to undergo hormone therapy and to live in public as a female. I found that, in both cases, open communication between us and their attitudes at work and on social occasions improved immensely as a result of their true gender at last being accepted.
I didn’t say a word about gay people Gerry, much less suggest what they should do, so catch yourself on.
I am also travelling in SE Asia at the moment and was just put up for a week in Cebu by my favourite Philippine couple – who are gay.
I know enough about gay to know it is futile to speak in absolutes such as the new morality police would have it. They come in all shapes and sizes and have their own histories on how they become involved in gay relationships.
By the way Cynic2, when it comes to law, the gay issue has been strongly used to push Christianity out of the public square so it does affect Christians and if you like i’ll give you plenty of examples. Of course again, you won’t hear much of these examples from the morality police / academic and media cartel who as i alluded to above are fast losing the 50 year unchallenged hold they have had on Western society – to its detriment.
Why does no one ask the obvious questions of religious folk who believe homosexuals?
1. Where in the Bible does Jesus condemn homosexuality as wrong?
2. From Core Issues website:
“Orthodox folk believe that sexual relations between one man and one women in the marriage covenant is an unchanging order ordined by God, best suted to meet the physical and emotional needs of the human family.”
If that’s true and is what Paul Miller believes, then why does his religion permit divorce?
The “I’m not anti-gay, I’m pro traditional marriage” line doesn’t hold up under
Oh, and I wish someone would show Paul Miller this ultimate response to Bible bashing bigots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4jryX_DGUQ
Basically the rumours are right and you couldn’t split the Church of Rome, so now you’ve moved onto trying to split the Church of Ireland, and if this spring conference doesn’t work out as you hope you’ll probably be off to the Presbyterians in hopes of trying to split them.
Of course the funny thing is that it’s not just evangelical prods who don’t see eye to eye with the homosexual agenda; instead Rome, Presbyterianism, Methodism, Free Presbyterianism and almost every other brand of Christianity in this country have the same beliefs concerning homosexual sex and its sinfulness. Yet while one of those mysteriously escapes protest, and let’s just say it’s the only which isn’t protestant, all the others are subjected to harassment if they preach the Word of God concerning homosexuals, or if they offer free help to those who want it.
Look at it like this: If a man came and said he wanted to be a woman, you would be support them to the hilt! Heck you’d probably buy them a dress and help them book the appointment at the sex-change clinic. Why? Well it’s because you support their choice and as gaga would say baby they where born that way!
However if a homosexual man comes in and says he wants to be straight, Gerry protests them, demands that they remain as they are and threatens that if they seek help anywhere else he will protest it! Why? What happened to the choice of the individual?
For all the talk of homosexuals and their “hard won freedoms” the reality is that this whole thing is being used as nothing more than a big stick to beat unionists and Christians over the head with. It’s not about gays as much as it is about getting a dig in at protestants, its not about rights as much as it is about getting digs in against unionists.
andnowwhat (profile) 18 January 2012 at 12:21 pm
Might answer your question Turgon
http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927962.800-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
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In Turgon’s defence, have they independently MRI or PET scanned the brain of the homosexual looking for a cure for homosexuality, and the homosexual who doesn’t… for differences?
No a priori suppositions here, just absolute numbers, images and charts please.
Youngpolitico,
I am sorry to say that your above post at 2:42pm only serves to demonstrate that you are absymally lacking in any knowledege of human sexuality and gender assignment.
The person who is born essentially female yet is assigned to the male gender because her genitalia present outside is merely correcting a mistake when they seek gender reassignment. It is helping to correct a mistake of nature just as is surgical correction of a hare lip. Any attempt to make a homosexual man “go straight” as you call it would be to interfere with nature and as such ought surely to be frowned upon.
The question for Christians surely must be, ” Is God’s creature not worthy of love and understanding or is it to be said of us, ‘See these Christians how they hate one another’ ? “
Turgon
” what if a man came to a psychiatrist saying he felt he should be a woman or vice versa? ”
He should apply his normal professional protocols and determine if that individual has gender identity issues and support him accordingly in line with best medical practice
But someone who wants or needs to change gender (possibly requiring major surgery) is radically different from someone who is ‘just’ gay and happy in their own skin someone
Nonsense Rory, man in his natural pre-fall state is straight, man born of sin may indeed be born homosexual, after all we are all born into sin however that does not mean that we should act upon our sinful natures and desires.
“However if a homosexual man comes in and says he wants to be straight ……… ”
This, of course, depends. However the fundamental issue is this. If someone wants / needs gender reassignment, there is a clinical process for this based on best practice. In other words the medical profession can do something to help.
If someone is gay then the current state of medical knowledge in unequivocal. They are gay. Period. And anyone selling them a ‘cure’ is a quack
Now I freely acknowledge that there is an AC/DC group in the middle who enjoy the benefits of both approaches and good luck to them too
Young Politico,
In my personal assessment and given the current state of human knowledge and development, anyone who believes what you say about a “natural pre-fall state” and being “born of sin”
in my personal belief has a perfect right to believe so.
They are also irrational and barking mad and deserve all they get
Youngpolitico..
If someone is born gay/bi/lesbian/trans or whatever and never had sex their whole lives, they would still be the same thing sexually in their orientation.
Being homosexual, for example, is a lot more than the sexual act just the same as being straight is more than the act or procreation.
Hey science hasn’t proved that homosexual leanings are “natural” yet, so get off the oul high horse.
andnowwhat..
Being a homosexual isn’t a sin, having homosexuals thoughts and sex however is.
@ youngpolitico
Is your hair shorter than shoulder length?
Are you wearing more than one type of fabric?
Ever had contact with a woman while she is in her period? (I’ve tried to avoid it but when I ask I get a slap).
Ever worn glasses when approaching an altar of God?
If the answer to any of those is ‘yes’, are you are a sinful as a homosexual?
Wearing mixed fibres is an abomination before the Lord ( and one that really annoys her).
“science hasn’t proved that homosexual leanings are “natural” yet”
So would you accept it if they had?
Youngpolitico
You have your beliefs and there is not any point in I or anyone else discussing such thing with you and the (thankfully) small but vicious minority who share such beliefs.
It’s kind of odd that the vast majority of those who hold these beliefs define themselves as british and yet they would be a fringe laughing stock on “the mainland”, particularly in urbane society
There is no point discussing anything scientific with people who blindly believe the Earth is 4000 years old.
..the homosexual agenda..
What agenda? To be treated equally under the law?
Don’t worry so much youngpolitico; it will never be made compulsory.
youngpolitico
Basically the rumours are right and you couldn’t split the Church of Rome, so now you’ve moved onto trying to split the Church of Ireland, and if this spring conference doesn’t work out as you hope you’ll probably be off to the Presbyterians in hopes of trying to split them.
Oh, there are rumours about me, are there? Do you fancy sharing them or do you think it’s in consonance with your loudly proclaimed Christian vocation to whisper behind people’s backs?
I’ve been a member of the Church of Ireland since you were in short trousers, indeed since about as early in my life as I could have been and I have neither the need nor the wish to move anywhere else. But the implication in your comment – and it isn’t even subtle – that I’m potentially disloyal to the Church of Ireland, indeed potentially a malicious fifth columnist, because I was baptised and confirmed as a Roman Catholic is deeply sectarian and deeply un-Christian. I’ll give you a chance to retract it as I’m not sure you actually thought through what you said before you said it.
But, please, share the rumours. I’m all ears.
this whole thing is being used as nothing more than a big stick to beat unionists and Christians over the head with
That’s right, the whole world operates as a conspiracy to batter ‘Christians’ (as you define them) and unionists over the head. Funnily, if I was a unionist and concerned about my future position within the United Kingdom, I’d try my best to be cautious about making myself look like a 17th Century hatemongering throwback in front of the rest of the British population.
having homosexuals thoughts and sex however is.
Matthew 5:28. Do you ever look lustfully at a woman? That’s one sin that I’m never guilty of! Do you think Jesus in Matthew 18:9 actually wants you to physically rip out your own eye, or is He perhaps making a more general point about objectifying and dehumanising people who are made in the image and likeness of God? Don’t you have enough sins of your own to worry about without getting caught up in what mine may or may not be?
Turgon
I am, however, interested in what you think a psychiatrist or anyone else should do if a person came to them and asked for help to stop being homosexual / having same sex attraction. Are there any circumstances in which you think it would be appropriate to try to help a person cease to be homosexual?
The President of Exodus International, the world’s leading ‘ex-gay’ organisation, has recently admitted that attempts to change orientation fail in 99.9% of cases (reference up in the main article). Do you think it’s ethical to actively promote the idea that sexual orientation is generally malleable to change through therapy? To actively promote this idea, as Core Issues do in their publicity material?
Because personally, I think it’s unethical to advertise something with such a low chance of success and such serious consequences if it goes wrong. Do none of you care about the women who marry ex-gays and what happens when they turn out not to be as ex as they thought? Don’t you think that many gay men spend their entire lives trying to be straight?
abucs
They come in all shapes and sizes and have their own histories on how they become involved in gay relationships.
You can’t even admit that being gay is a natural state for some people! I became ‘involved in gay relationships’ because once I got to the relevant age the birds and the bees started fluttering me when a nice looking man passed by, and not when a nice looking woman walked past. I’ve never heard any gay man tell a substantially different story. That’s all there is to it. Is that too complicated?
Youngpolitico,
You say:
“ Being a homosexual isn’t a sin, having homosexuals [sic] thoughts and sex however is.”
Have you ever tried NOT having “homosexual thoughts”? Go on. I dare you! Close your eyes tightly, breathe evenly and try really hard NOT to have any HOMOSEXUAL THOUGHTS.
Let us know how you get on.
JR (profile) 18 January 2012 at 4:47 pm
There is no point discussing anything scientific with people who blindly believe the Earth is 4000 years old
Hmm science is more than just dating things, why encourage absolute ignorance?
”Mr Strudwick, who is gay, described the Belfast doctor’s therapies as “disturbing” following two sessions via a webcam”
“I felt disgusted and abused by his inappropriate sexual remarks during the sessions. To hear this from a psychiatrist during a session, it was like being sexually assaulted,” Mr Strudwick said in 2010.”
This same nonsense has been going on for decades with rape & incest victims whose trust is abused by so-called professionals in the field – not surprisingly – it is the perfect role for abusers to hide behind. Sounds like Millar has severe psychiatric problems of his own. Apply Matthew 7:3 – moat & beam etc
Healer heal thy self etc.
He sounds like a raging queen suppressed by a righteous god …. Dangerous.
I hope this discussion puts to bed the notion that SDLP supporters are progressive and non-sectarian. It’s not at all pretty when the mask slips.
See, what’s happening is kind of like the following but in reverse
http://allpoetry.com/poem/8601069-First_They_Came_For_The_Communists-by-Martin_Niemoller
Seems that the gays are the only thing that “christians” can get away with attacking these days.
Mind you, they still have a fair go at Obama
Wee Buns, I have it on good authority that Miller uses a method., casually known as tap tap, in his therapy which is now discredited.