“Good Friday. The death of Irish Republicanism” by Anthony McIntyre: a review

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 This was a book that I first reviewed at the same time as “Unionism Decayed” back in 2008.

Like Vance’s work, it is the author’s portrayal of a defeated political movement or ideal and as a Unionist it was instructional to read an interpretation of the immediate post-Agreement period from the other side of the fence. It was also interesting to read it again three years later to see how much and how little Irish Republicanism, as preached and practiced by the Sinn Fein leadership, has changed. 

Despite his personal history and background (ex-IRA “blanketman”, imprisoned in his teens, served 17 years in the Maze), Anthony McIntyre’s writings and experiences have interested me for sometime. He is a leading voice for those within Irish Republicanism who have disagreed with the Adams Clique, arguing not for a return to the euphemistic “physical-force tradition” but a renewal of the Irish Republican ideals he believes the Sinn Fein hierarchy has abandoned.

So, yes, he is, like David Vance within Unionism I suppose, a “dissident”. A “dissident” as in the original definition (as opposed to the Peace-Process version) of the word, that is to say someone who refuses to accept the political orthodoxy laid down by those residing above in the control pyramid. However, the worst the likes of Vance straying from standard Northern Irish Unionist orthodoxy can normally expect is a proverbial smack across the bottom from the DUP’s Press-Office attack-hounds.  Prior to when physically intimidating internal opponents  became no longer politically expedient,  McIntyre risked real physical injury for daring to challenge The Adams’ Family’s shibboleths

Like “Unionism Decayed”, “Good Friday, The Death of Irish Republicanism” is organised on a thematic basis, with chapters covering the Belfast Agreement; republican “martyrs”; The Colombia 3; decommissioning; the 1981 Hunger Strikers; the suppression of dissent; Robert McCartney’s murder; informers “Stakeknife” and Denis Donaldson; those who speak out against the Adams-McGuinness party line; the Northern Bank robbery; policing under the PSNI reforms and ultimately, the final failure, as he sees it, of the Republican Movement. Most of the pieces were written at the time of the various events and appeared originally in the ezine The Blanket and form a valuable historical record of the post Belfast-Agreement period, or at least history as seen through the prism of a non-Unionist lens.

I feel this thematic approach works better here than it does in “Unionism Decayed”. The one underlying thread of the book is the “death” of Irish Republicanism; a death largely brought about, in McIntyre’s opinion, by the complete and suffocating control Adams has demanded and received from the SF cannon fodder and this thread operates as an effective literary bridge between the various topics.

Despite the Spin and PR, Sinn Fein are no closer to their 32-county nirvana than the IRA were at the time of Sunningdale. The Adams’ Thought-Police has so stifled free-thought and debate within their own ranks that whilst the young Shinners of the 80s and 90s would have been knocking you back with quotes from trendy Bolivian revolutionaries and obscure Austrian philosophers, the present-day Ogras are restricted to painting post-boxes green for Ireland and falling off Orange-Hall roofs whilst nicking Union flags. The point made, time and time again, in this book is that any political movement which does not constantly question and examine its policies, targets and leadership will not be capable of progressing beyond their ideological and (in a Northern Ireland context anyway) communal ghetto. A truism which all of us involved or interested in Northern Irish Unionism should probably also bear in mind.

You’ve gathered by now this is a book (although I most certainly would not agree with a lot of its underlying philosophy) I’d have no problems recommending to all interested in both Northern Irish politics and the concept of the Open Society which should underlie all democracies. It would have, in certain places, benefited from updates and occasionally McIntyre employs the unnecessary verbiage of the political post-grad but in terms of the overall style of the book, these really are minor quibbles.

 The only query I’d pose to McIntyre, like with Vance, is:

“”Yes, you’ve outlined well the problems facing Irish republicanism… if it’s not to be “Gerry knows best” then what’s your solution?””

And having read both books in quick succession, the other main question that’s left in my mind is that with Messrs Vance and McIntyre both claiming their side lost the “Peace Process”… one of  them must be surely wrong, but which one?

Or maybe they are, in fact, both right?

  • sliabhluachra

    I watched David Vance on the TV some days ago. He irks me. I thought, pre McFeely, that Dr McIntyre was a man of some honour, deserving respect. That was then.
    Patriotism is surely the last refuge of the scoundrel. Still, the symmetry that both Loyalists and Republicans are more loyal to the half crown than the Crown is enlightening.
    What a bundle of rogues in a nation.

  • Alias

    Jimmy, I read that article a while ago and often got a chuckle whenever MV brought up the Courts to inflate his rep, given that Mr Justice Kearns had done a good job of deflating it. I wouldn’t have posted it, but then I’m not as ruthless as you are…

  • lamhdearg

    ruthless,someone may claim, its a split personality,

  • Alias

    I wouldn’t. Jimmy never pulled his punches, as far as I noticed.

  • lamhdearg

    not what i was getting at Alias, it was an attempt at humor, as it missed, i won’t labor it.

  • Munsterview

    Lamhd. “…. its a split personality,….”

    Not at all, just sit back and learn, as I am doing, you are seeing ‘professionals’ operating here and forced to work outside the box and ‘break cover’ That is a sign of desperation and inability, not craft.

    Ah well I suppose if the finesse to use a stiletto is not there people must resort to the crude swing of the broad sword and hope they hit something in the flailing around !

  • Alias

    Oh dear… it’s the securocrats again.

  • Jimmy Sands

    No hard feelings MV. This is for you.

  • Dixie Elliott

    harry_w

    So Mackers was employed by Tom McFeely as a site manager, perhaps because he was an ex-Blanket man. I don’t know. However typical of those immersed in the world of Adamsite black propaganda even if you can’t make the shite stick you’ll still throw it anyway and see if it does.

    Then you fling in the Boston project for added effect…

    “It stands beside his disastrous work as a Historical researcher for Boston College, which seems to have been based on commitments given to participants which couldn’t be kept, and now may leave some open to prosecution by the Crown.”

    Now those foolish enough to believe so would think that those involved in this project were naive and gullible because thats what Adamsism wants us to believe. However the only Republican we know for certain who took part was Brendan Hughes. Hardly naive nor gullible given his role over the years at the top of PRM both outside and inside jail. In fact wasn’t it Brendan who exposed the fact that former prisoners were being exploited on building sites in Belfast and he was censored when he tried to expose it?

    From The Dark himself….

    “But amongst their number are those who have big houses and guaranteed incomes. Of course it was worth it for them. I recall going to the Republican Movement and asking that it highlight the exploitative cowboy builders on the Falls Road who were squeezing the republican poor for profit. The movement censored me and refused to allow me to speak.”

    As I earlier pointed out it must have galled those at the head of the Republican Movement who tried to blacken Dark’s name, even having lackies attempt to brand him as tout for leaving behind the truth, when at the recent Blanket Men reunion in Belfast the loudest cheer of the night went up at the mention of his name.

    Really harry_w are those who tried to stop Dark exposing the exploitation of Republicans on Belfast building any better than Tom McFeely?

    As I said up to the armpits in shite…

  • Dixie Elliott

    If we truly want future generations to realise the futility of becoming cannon fodder then I believe projects like that of Boston College are important in exposing the fact that war is encouraged by unscrupulous politicians to achieve nothing more than what will benefit themselves alone and those who fund them.

    At the end of the day are Adams and McGuinness any different to the British and American politicians who send young men and women to far off countries to die not for freedom but for the oil those countries produce?

    We’ll only have real peace in this sick world when young people are educated to this fact and tell the politicans to fuck off and fight their own wars.

  • Eddie (Eamonn) Mac Bhloscaidh

    I havent read the book, although I have been looking out for it.

    I have however read the blog and the comments of it attendees.

    I have to say, I do not rate the McIntyre analysis.

    It seems highly personalised againist Gerry Adams in particular and lacks any viable alternative to the Adams’ agenda – I would go futher and say that it differs little in reality from the Sinn Féin leadership line.

    Yes, a lot of detestation of the ‘leadership’ and those who ‘unquestionably’ follow it but no real subtance there at all.

    In the British Army, if a soldier wants to have a political opinion he asks his sargent and he will recieve it. Clearly, many militant republicans lack(ed) the militaristic thinking required by war, perhaps it is this weakness rather that Gerry Adams ‘teachery alone’ which lost the war?

  • Greenflag

    McCallister the Brave from the Beeb

    ‘Both unionists and republicans have “hard and painful” questions to ask themselves about the past, an Ulster Unionist MLA has told a Sinn Fein conference.

    UUP deputy leader John McCallister was speaking at a Uniting Ireland conference in Newry on Saturday.

    He said that in the history of Northern Ireland, unionism “fell short”.

    “This is a part of our heritage that we have to confront and recognise,” he told the conference.

    “It is not easy and it certainly isn’t without political risk. But to build reconciliation in Northern Ireland and throughout the island, it has to be done.”

    If unionism failed to address Edward Carson’s warning that a Catholic minority should have nothing to fear from a Protestant majority in a new Northern Ireland, then republicanism also fell short of the words from the 1916 Declaration, Mr McCallister said.

    Their actions between 1969 and 1998 told a “brutally and bloodily different story”, he said, calling the events of the Troubles “a tragic stain on the history of Northern Ireland”.

    Mr McCallister said the future of Ireland and the UK lay in partnership and interdependence.

    But he said talk of uniting Ireland was a “political fiction” if there was not a shared Northern Ireland where political parties confronted their divisive past with a “new honesty”.

    Speaking in Newry, Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams said his goal was “to raise awareness about the mutual benefits that Irish unity can bring”.

    “Of course, as John McCallister has reminded us, to plan for the future we have to deal with the past,” he said.

    “Sinn Fein has never shied away from this whether on the issue of victims or on other matters,” he said.

    “Dealing with the past is not easy and there is little agreement at a political level about how we do this. But that should not be an obstacle to the future ‘

    I think Adams got it about right. But I’d have phrased it differently . If people (other than historians or specific interest or academic groups) are bound up too much with their past or pasts then there’s nothing left over to build the future . And although some would claim that we learn from the eh ‘mistakes ‘ made in the past , the overwhelming evidence in the realpolitik world is that we ‘don’t ‘ or not enough anyway to make any attempts to fix the ‘past’ . The past is another country and so is the future and despite claims that NI is an exception to the rule -it isn’t .

  • Greenflag

    Dixie Elliot ,

    ‘We’ll only have real peace in this sick world when young people are educated to this fact and tell the politicans to fuck off and fight their own wars.’

    An admirable sentiment . 37 million died in WW1 and another 55 million in WW2 . Perhaps a few were politicians or Generals .

    And they’re still planning for more wars .

    In the eternal competition between the financial and political and military/industrial elites of nations it’s always the front line who end up in the body bags or in unmarked or marked graves . I.m reminded of that WW1 series Blackadder which despite it’s humourous and satirical bent gave a first rate insight into the ‘imperial ‘mindsets of competing empires and competing elites. .

    At a POW camp in eastern Germany in 1916 a German guard is talking to a Russian POW .

    ‘Kaiser Wilhelm is a great man. He visits the front once a week’

    The Russian replies ‘ Our Tsar Nicholas is even greater . He stands on a spot 30 miles behind the the lines and every week the front goes to meet him ‘

  • Munsterview

    Dixie : first off look to those who are agreeing with you and encouraging you here, then reflect a moment in the events of the Battle of the bogside, of the attacks in Ardoyne and elsewhere by the RUC/B Specials/ UVF and ‘whatever’ loyalists mobs, the various broken Brit ceasefire promises and other numerous examples of bad faith, during the seventies, the activities of Kitson & Co and the Hunger-Striker period.

    Now ask yourself Dixie, during those times would your and Anthony’s new friends and admirers have been standing on our side of the line or with the Forces Of Oppression ranged up against us ?

    Take one glaring example and contradiction constantly canvasses here : I have no doubt that you like me whatever of our other differences are are solidly behind the cause of the Palestine Peoples and their right to their freedom, their Sovereignty and their long overdue Freedom from the Oppressions of The Israeli Occupation Forces and Government.

    All of us in the Broad Left in Europe know what the Occupied Palestinian Peoples face on a daily basis; we in Ireland especially so since in Northern Ireland the British Occupation Forces used the very same tactics of quasi judicial captivity, ill treatment , torture and other such methods up to and including summary executions.

    The Israelis have done and are doing all this against the Palestinian Peoples and then some more.

    When one one of your most ardent and encouraging supporters here in Slugger, Dixie is an unconditional supporter of these policies by the Israeli State, is carry ing a passport from that State as a dual National and has probably served in these same Israeli Forces doing the same things in Palestine as The Brit Soldiers did in Northern Ireland, then you should take a good, hard look at where you and Anthony now find yourselves.

    I do not question the sincerity of your or Anthony’s views or those of other Republicans who did not agree with the strategy of Mainstream Republicans and went different routes!

    We could keep a Broad Church, united front in the war situation, but post ceasefire and entry into politics, the logic of politics took over and as the political views of Republicans spanned the political spectrum from Left, through Centre, to Right, these views could not be reconciled and it was inevitable that committed activists with strong views would depart from Mainstream, Majority Consensus.

    This may have taken its toll on personal friendships but it was also necessary for a normalization of politics. Indeed I had personally hoped that a good, active hard left party that would have served as a goad to the Mainstream and articulated a Joe Higgins type of Politics would have arisen in the North. The fact that all the conditions and ingredients were there for it and it did not happen perhaps says things far more eloquently about the limitations of these critics of Mainstream Republicans than Mainstream criticism of these individuals can.

    There is an old saw Dixie to the effect that ‘My enemies enemy is my friend’

    These new found friends now praising and encouraging you, Anthony and indeed any critic of the Mainstream Republicans were never anything other than implacable opponents of the Republicans. The fact that you and others have allowed yourselves to be used by these people to question and undermine the entire validity of the Republican Struggle up to the last Ceasefire and after says all there is to say about this sorry situation.

    One final thing, we in Ireland have a very long experience of our enemies attempting ‘Felon Setting’ and sowing distrust and dissension among opponents who should have a broad front, united approach in as many areas as possible.

    The contributions of two posters in particular ( that’s of course if there are actually two inndividuals involved, which I have an open mind on ) in forgoing posts here are so classic textbook CO’IN ( Counter Insurgency ) media manipulation straight out of Kitson’s advocacy and strategy that they could and should be used in lectures on that subject for illustrative purposes.

    All the old ‘Services’ arrogance ( a hallmark of most States Intel Services ) that see the ’4 Square Laundered Services’ in turn uncovered and ‘laundered’ by the IRA back in the seventies, is still there. Such is their contempt for the general public and their confidence that they can operate beneath the public’s levels of awarness, that they do not see any need to be particularly subtle about what they do !

    There is a place for and indeed there is a need to, examine and question each and every aspect of the Republican Struggle, but Dixie only in such a way that it benefits and lends credibility to our cause and not to those who were always opposed to Republicans and still are!

  • fordprefect

    Dixie,
    Spot on! I met many men and women all down the years, and not one of them ever told me that they were fighting for a return to Stormont, or Stormont rule. I never had the guts to join a military organisation, but I know where you’re coming from. My heart breaks when I think of those men and women now occupying graves in Milltown and elsewhere for listening to slimy politicians. I for one will never forget Adams’s “putdown” of Gerry McGeough when he brought up the same topic and Adams saying: “did you get a Ouija board and ask them” (a comment he regretting making when he heard the voices of families of deceased Vol’s.). But, that showed the real face of Adams behind the façade, he didn’t/doesn’t give a shit about dead Vol’s. You’re right, the next time a slime bag asks young people to go and fight, tell them to piss off and fight it themselves!

  • sliabhluachra

    Ben Briscoe Snr was in the IRA and a not insignificant number of Israeli Jews have fallen foul of their government over the issue of Palestine. The Citizen is Ulysses is painted as a sectarian bigot, an affront to literate Republics, but, alas, as posts here show, an all too accurate reflection of the many (compromised) members of MI5’s Irish Brigade who are, alas, following a most ignoble tradition of sucking the marrow from the ordinary Irish working person.
    When the Battle of the Bogside broke out, many members of the Official IRA scrambled to the defence of the people. These self-same people were later gunned down by the Provo Johnny Come latelys, who did a deal with the Dublin government and whose sectarian violence did as much to derail the civil rights movement as did Paisley’s knuckle-draggers. Many of those who got caught up in t5he Provo murder machine were later executed for revealing where weapons were stored. Others, who gave away entire shipments, now sit in Ireland’s partitionist parliaments.
    Fordperfect, some things will never change. Read All Quiet on the Western Front, about the German teachers egging on their charges to the slaughter-houses of the Somme. Or, if that does not take your fancy, Sassoon’s Suicide in the Trenches. Marches of the drum and fumbling in the greasy tills jump to mind.
    Anthony McIntyre has some serious questions to ask himself. How does he equate jerry building with his supposed beliefs? Is he, like the mainstream Provos, part of the problem, or is he part of the solution?

    One thing is clear. Land grabbers, tricolour-wrapped political opportunists and MI5’s Irish legion can be part of no less than Final Solution.

  • Munsterview

    fordperfect : have you forgotten that Gerry Adams himself was the subject of numerous assassination attempts ? He was out there, when out of jail that is, and lead from the front. So did McGuiness,Gerry Kelly and others.

    In fact is not that the reason that so many Sinn Fein politicians are constantly elected in Nationalist areas by people who do not necessarily agree with the Sinn Fein or it’s politics, they know that these people went out gun in hand and had the courage of their convictions to have been prepared to ‘lay their lives on the line’

    There are few Republicans of my vintage and the generation behind us who do not have memories and experiences of events that could have put them next to their late Comrades In Miltown and in other Republican Graveyard plots and not just once but many, many times over!

    Nationalist voters know that, they may not agree with the actions the IRA took, but having seen their courage, commitment and sacrifice in the war situation, they are prepared to respect them and trust them with the peace.

    That particular penny has still to drop with a lot of Unionists who head scratch after every election and wonder as to how ‘good’ Nationalists can elect people with proven IRA active service records.

    As for ‘asking young people to fight’, right up to the ceasefire and after the IRA were turning away people who wanted to join and were very selective about those who did. Likewise while there are Republicans in public life with undeniable IRA careers behind them, there are also Sinn Fein people who were not part of the IRA and who only gave at best, qualified support to the Armed Struggle.

    For anyone with an open mind on this subject, there are dozens, indeed hundreds of good books written on or about the IRA activists during the Easter Rising, The First Defense of the Republic, The Second Defense of the Republic, and subsequent campaigns right up to the 56 campaign.

    The same mentalities of the Vols. as set out in these books is no different to that I encountered the length and breath of Ireland among the Vols I met and knew. For any non Nationalist who is interested in understanding this ethos, they should take a look at Ernie O’Malleys writings, on the IRA. He was both an active participant and yet a detached observer with the ability to conver his impressions in a readable and engaging way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_O'Malley

  • Dina Shea

    @ MV

    You said: “‘Sliabhluachra’…….’Masky’……’Limerick’ ect, ect, ect., ect, ect, ect, ect,ect !”

    Agree. 100%.

  • fordprefect

    MV,
    Do you mean anti-republican as in anyone on this blog that doesn’t agree with SF? IMHO, SF ditched all pretence of their “Republicanism” and their “Socialism” years ago. They are nothing more than a constitutional unionist party.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    The poster Dixie Elliott wrote

    “You must have been up to your armpits in shite digging this out, but then again why should I be surprised given the treatment meted out to Brendan Hughes when alive by those in your leadership who chased his coffin down the Falls Road when he died.

    It must galling to know that at the recent Blanket Men reunion in Belfast that the biggest cheer of the night went up at the mention of An Dorcha’s [Darks] name…”

    A bizarre and tetchy response, unsurprising really. The need to get Brendan Hughes onto the thread to act as a diversion is actually sick rather than sad.

    As it is the OP writer stated that Mc Intyre wanted “a renewal of the Irish Republican ideals he believes the Sinn Fein hierarchy has abandoned.” In that regard it is right to highlight the fact that the author, who is apparently chasing such lofty ideals, acts as a spokesperson for Coalport. A company involved in the exploitation of working class people in the Priory Hall development. That is the type of renewal we can all do without.

    Also I believe that you are being deliberately untruthful in claiming ignorance of the Coalport company and this scandal.

  • fordprefect

    MV,
    You also have to ask yourself why the bullets used in Adams assassination attempt were “jarked” (as the brits call it).

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “You also have to ask yourself why the bullets used in Adams assassination attempt were “jarked” (as the brits call it).”

    Yip and the instruction to the gunmen to shoot him in the neck without killing him added to the whole conspiracy.

  • fordprefect

    Pat McLarnon,
    I’ll tell you what’s “sick”, a political party using dead Hunger Strikers and other dead Vol’s. to get themselves elected. A lot of the families of the dead Vol’s. have asked them to stop doing it, but, they don’t take any notice.

  • Dina Shea

    @ Pat McLar You said “Also I believe that you are being deliberately untruthful in claiming ignorance of the Coalport company and this scandal.”

    Wow…..nothing like playing the man.

    You know….I saw this post go up as I just happened to be reading slugger at the time and I thought hmm…something’s up. A review of this book, now?

    Wanna talk truth? Why wasn’t a post made that McIntyre was, at some point, an employee? (which is all we know at this point)

    Now that would be some truth, eh?

    Again, Mick…..gotta look at these policies. Thanks!

  • fordprefect

    Pat McLarnon,
    Yeah, exactly, why would the brits want to kill someone that they could do business with. Those bullets were “jarked”, so it wouldn’t have mattered where they hit him, they wouldn’t have killed him.

  • Munsterview

    Fordperfect: “….Do you mean anti-republican as in anyone on this blog that doesn’t agree with SF?….”

    No I most certainly do not !

    I posted above ….

    “….There is a place for and indeed there is a need to, examine and question each and every aspect of the Republican Struggle, but Dixie only in such a way that it benefits and lends credibility to our cause and not to those who were always opposed to Republicans and still are!…”

    In this I was addressing, in the main, a Republican readership all across the Republican spectrum.

    I have also frequently posted here that if there is to be a full and complete examination of the Northern Conflict from the start of the Civil Right marches in the late sixties to the Entry Of Sinn Fein to Stormount, then that must include all who were involved in that Insurgency and Counter Insurgency Operation.

    In that context of where we can expose and hold the Brits to account for their Operators and Operations, ‘pseudo’ Sectarian Gangs etc, then I have no problem in the IRA Operators and Operations being subjected to the same scrutiny as there are very valuable lessons to be learned here from the Northern Conflict for progressive struggles world wide.

    The Brits have been kicked out of dozens of Colonies with blood on their hands by Liberation Struggles since the end of WW2. Can you point me to even one of these Freedom Struggles where the British PM of the Day came to the Dispatch Box and said ‘ Hey Guys, we were wrong in that one, these liberation people are the good guys’ ?

    The Irish situation is no different; the Brit account, or at least as much of it the securitcat arm want to disclose is out there in ‘Small War Journals’ ‘Hearts & Minds’ conferences etc, it is only a matter of knowing where to look for it.

    Since The British build quite a lucrative business out of ‘security’ and they were the only late 20th, century Western developed country dealing with an organized insurrection on a large scale, the same conditions in fact that most Western Countries secretly prepared for in view of possible conditions existing for break down of Society in the early 21th. British Officers and other operatives who were involved in CO’IN activities in the North and in the rest of Ireland also, such as in the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings were in great demand. There is plenty documentation out there to show a significant account of what the British were up to.

    The Dublin and Monaghan Bombings and things like that Chopper full of ‘Securicats’ that slammed into a mountain on the Brit side, are some of the reasons why this enquiry or examination of ‘The Northern Troubles’ will never happen !

  • sliabhluachra

    Isn’t it odd how Gerry Adams kept his old guard with him, people like Gerry Kelly and Rita O’Hare, who, like Gerry himself, had good wars? No matter what his natural academic abilities might have been, McIntyre’s 17 year holiday would have put paid to him being a serious academic player.
    Same as Ella Dwyer, the Brighton bomber and other Provo academic wannabes who allow their thesis supervisors to get that middle class liberal buzz. They are barely footnotes in history’s roll call or in the steps to fame, fortune and beatification of their leaders who either left the PIRA murder gang in 1974 or never signed up to kill their kinsmen at all.

    Jews were peddling wares around Sliabh Luachra at the time of the Limerick pogroms. Still, Sliabh Luachra has had much worse to deal with than brush peddlers (Briscoe, though he never ventured that fatr south) and land grabbing patriots.

  • Dina Shea

    @sliabhluachra

    Pogroms?

    Like when SF leaders were in secret negotiations with the Brit govt and Loyalists behind the backs of the Volunteers and turned a blind eye, shall we say, while they watched East Tyrone Brigade members literally exterminated? Like those kind of pogroms?

  • Dina Shea

    @sliabhluachra
    You said: “Isn’t it odd how Gerry Adams kept his old guard with him, people like Gerry Kelly and Rita O’Hare, who, like Gerry himself, had good wars?”

    You better check your facts and go back a bit further in the history. The list of what you call “his old guard” that left SF or stopped supporting them is much, much longer.

    Google George Harrison, Michael Flannery, etc etc. They were a big part of “his old guard” as was Marian Price, Brendan Hughes….(sigh) I could go on but I don’t think slugger has that kind of space on the server.

    Old Guard indeed! Hmpf!

  • sliabhluachra

    Dina Shea: Please excuse my use of the word pogrom, which applies neither to the 1904 Limerick events nor to the demise of the Cappagh Gun Club. My point was made to show that an important section of Munster people, recently defamed and denigrated by another poster here, would have long familiarity with Jews and that said people, like the rest of the Irish people, do not need land grabbers of any hue.
    Davitt did not like them and nor do we.

    ps: Davitt was one of the great Irish but today’s Provos have killed off that tradition. The generations will remember the Provos all right as not all the perfumes of Arabia will wash away their crimes.

  • Rory Carr

    Jews were peddling wares around Sliabh Luachra at the time of the Limerick pogroms.

    And when would that have been? Not 1904 surely? Since, at least according to the new Israeli ambassador, Boaz Modai, speaking at the Jewish cemetery in Castletroy as reported in today’s Limerick Leader, there was no pogrom.

    His Excellency Modai went on to say, “”I think it is a bit over-portrayed, meaning that, usually if you look up the word pogrom it is used in relation to slaughter and being killed. This is what happened in many other places in Europe, but this is not what happened here. There was a kind of a boycott against Jewish merchandise for a while, but that’s not a pogrom. That’s something that is, unfortunately, a bad mark for the history of this city, but I don’t think it is something anyone should pay more attention to than it deserves.”

    The ambassador was supported in his remarks by a local Jewish historian reported thus:

    “Jewish man Stuart Clein, who has lived in Limerick for 54 years, told the ambassador that the term “Limerick pogrom” was completely inaccurate.

    “If you look up pogrom up in the Oxford Dictionary it says massacres and killings. I spent months researching it and there was not an injury other than a young lad threw a stone at a rabbi. That was it. There was nobody hurt.”

    The full report can be had here: http://bit.ly/t5i9Dl

    Terribly sorry to dispel the hysterical intentions of such as our own amateur but partisan historians on this (and other threads) but I am afraid that the reality of any Jewish pogrom in Ireland is on a par with the reality of a campaign of ethnic cleansing claimed by Danny Kennedy and Arlene Kelly elsewhere – hysterical? Yes. Historical? No.

  • Dina Shea

    @ Rory Carr

    You said: the reality of a campaign of ethnic cleansing claimed by Danny Kennedy and Arlene Kelly elsewhere – hysterical? Yes. Historical? No.”

    Good turn of phrase! May I use it?

  • Mary Anna

    Adams, McGuinness and Kelly the main actors the Godfathers they are alive and well – fat cats today – while over 3,700 lie dead and 47000 injured -why are the eejits putting the likes of them, wasters, up in pedestals! They have lost all credibility by convincing their people that they would never sit in the Dail -Stormont the state! They seem to be ashamed of the name of the IRA by continually saying that they either were never in the IRA or left the IRA but supported the IRA. They are insulting peoples intelligence. They are living of the dead hunger strikers! Sociopaths Rule OK.

  • Alias

    “The Brits have been kicked out of dozens of Colonies with blood on their hands by Liberation Struggles since the end of WW2. Can you point me to even one of these Freedom Struggles where the British PM of the Day came to the Dispatch Box and said ‘ Hey Guys, we were wrong in that one, these liberation people are the good guys’ ?” – MV

    The Shinners are supported by the British state and praised its prime ministers. Tony Blair said that he liked Adams and McGuinness and that they “were big politicians in anyone’s language”. They are regularly commended by British government. So the Shinners would appear be the exception to that rule.

    “The Irish situation is no different; the Brit account, or at least as much of it the securitcat arm want to disclose is out there in ‘Small War Journals’ ‘Hearts & Minds’ conferences etc, it is only a matter of knowing where to look for it.” – MV

    Irish situation is different. The British state may have “been kicked out of dozens of Colonies with blood on their hands by Liberation Struggles” but not in Ireland. The British state has not been ejected but rather consolidated, legitimised and normalised. Indeed, those, ahem, ‘liberation strugglers’ (or should that be smugglers?) are now well-paid by the British state to assist in the administration of its rule and to promote its selfish, strategic and economic interests.

  • Dina Shea

    @ Mary Anna

    You said: “Adams, McGuinness and Kelly the main actors the Godfathers they are alive and well – fat cats today – while over 3,700 lie dead and 47000 injured -why are the eejits putting the likes of them, wasters, up in pedestals! They have lost all credibility by convincing their people that they would never sit in the Dail -Stormont the state! They seem to be ashamed of the name of the IRA by continually saying that they either were never in the IRA or left the IRA but supported the IRA. They are insulting peoples intelligence. They are living of the dead hunger strikers! Sociopaths Rule OK.”

    Can you like get sanctimonious somewhere else?

    While I have never supported SF the treatment of the Irish has been horrible. Again, I’m not going to go through the list as slugger doesn’t have that kind of server space.

    When the civil rights movement started over 40 years ago it was met with Brit governement guns. Undeniable fact.

    The British are the masters of disaster when it comes to re-writing Irish history to suit themselves.

    Another undeniable fact.

  • Decimus

    Nationalist voters know that, they may not agree with the actions the IRA took, but having seen their courage, commitment and sacrifice in the war situation, they are prepared to respect them and trust them with the peace.

    Munsterview,

    I think that the thing which baffles most civilised people in these islands is the fact that there are folks out there who would regard the IRA’s actions as being courageous or sacrificial. There is no doubt that the Provos were deeply committed to their murder campaign, but examples of their courage and sacrifice are extremely few and far between. On the other hand examples of their casual brutality and cowardliness are legion.

  • Decimus

    The British are the masters of disaster when it comes to re-writing Irish history to suit themselves.

    It looks like they are going to face a serious challenge for that particular crown.

  • Dixie Elliott

    The other poster Pat McLarnon wrote…

    “A bizarre and tetchy response, unsurprising really. The need to get Brendan Hughes onto the thread to act as a diversion is actually sick rather than sad…”

    Ah but Pat, I was responding to Harry White, I think thats the name he used, who tried to muddy the waters when he added…

    “It stands beside his disastrous work as a Historical researcher for Boston College..”

    I was making the point that the Dark was involved in the Boston Project. However it is noticeable that you failed to respond to the fact that The Dark wanted to expose cowboy builders who were exploiting ex-Republican prisoners but was censored by PRM….

    Just as you and others ignored the point I made about the Shinners being willing to go along with the DUP in giving huge payoffs to screws with 40 years in HM’s service, while they couldn’t even get an Irish language act and West Belfast and Derry remains the highest areas for unemployment in the North.

    You said…

    “In that regard it is right to highlight the fact that the author, who is apparently chasing such lofty ideals, acts as a spokesperson for Coalport. A company involved in the exploitation of working class people in the Priory Hall development. That is the type of renewal we can all do without…”

    If you checked you’d find that Priory Hall was finished in 2007. Mackers started work with Coalport in 2007 and he finished in 2011 some months ago which hardly has him acting [present tense] as spokesperson…

    Lastly I don’t care what you believe, I didn’t know that the name of McFeely’s company was called Coalport. I knew what was happened regarding his shoddy business dealings from the press however.

    But if it helps…

  • Mary Anna

    @ Dina Shea, Lets call a spade a spade! Civil rights is not about taking a life and two wrongs never make it right.
    Responsibility

    Between 1969 and 2001, 3,526 people were killed as a result of the Troubles.[125]

    Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
    Responsibility for killing[126]
    Responsible party No.
    Republican paramilitary groups 2057
    Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
    British security forces 363
    Persons unknown 82
    Irish security forces 5
    Total 3526
    ]

  • Munsterview

    Decimus : “..I think that the thing which baffles most civilized people in these islands is the fact that there are folks out there who would regard the IRA’s actions as being courageous or sacrificial….”

    Same old story, ‘one mans terrorist is another man’s Freedom Fighter

    Decimus: just for the record, given the fairly extensive list of risings and rebellions we have had on this Island by Gaelic Ireland against Crown intentions and authority since the Normans landed, would you care to list for me some or any of those rebellions that you and ‘most civilized peoples on these Islands’ ( who it seems you think you are spokes person for ) would considern to have been justified ?

    To begin with, just five Gaelic armed uprisings will suffice and we can take it from there !

  • Mary Anna

    Additional statistics
    Additional estimated statistics on the conflict.[131]
    Incident No.
    Injury 47,541
    Shooting 36,923
    Armed robbery 22,539
    People charged with paramilitary offences 19,605
    Bombing and attempted bombing 16,209
    Arson 2,225[citation needed]
    Here are more facts Dina – we all came through a sick dirty war- it was all wrong not one life was worth been taken for what? A futile wasted cause, for the likes of the ps/f and dup to have power over the dead and communities.That is no better than those who shoot civil rights marchers. Civil rights people are peaceful people and fight for humanity. Through community power, marches and communication which took the sinners 35 years to waken up and see that they were going nowhere. i only wish that the brits could have payed them off 40 years ago a we could have saved many lives families would have had fathers, mothers, sisters brothers, children would have a normal life. Peaceful people like John Hume and Eamon McCann fought through peaceful means with respect for life. I was at every march from i was 13 and never would take a life because murder is murder and the country is now run by blood hounds and greedy people for the need to have power over most vulnerable…What has that got to do with civil rights and justice.

  • Decimus

    Same old story, ‘one mans terrorist is another man’s Freedom Fighter

    Munsterview,

    I think that in the case of PIRA you will find that overwhelming view of civilised democratic nations around the world is that they were terrorists. Gaddafi’s Libya regarded them as freedom fighters of course, but they were slightly mad and overwhelmingly uncivilised.

    To begin with, just five Gaelic armed uprisings will suffice and we can take it from there !

    It is my understanding that the Normans (who were Norsemen who settled in France) were invited into a deeply divided Ireland by one of the feuding warlords. Any subsequent battles that were fought against them would have been quite justified.

  • Rory Carr

    Dina Shea,

    You flatter me, and unfairly so I think, but do feel free to use whatever words I have used as you choose.

    I was going to say, “What words of mine…” but stopped, because of course, they do not belong to me, they are only words, they belong to all of us to play with as we will – to reach for understanding, to beseech compassion, to deceive for spurious advantage – as our whim, our appetite, our concern and the muse dictates..

  • Munsterview

    Mary Anna, Care to give a simpler set of figures that will contextualize much of what followed ?

    How many ceasefires and other ‘Understandings’ did the Brits enter into with Republicans in the seventies, only to expediently and opportunistically break one after the other in a cynical and shameless exercise of bad faith ?

    Care to answer this also: if that Brit chopper full of a significant number of people who had directed and controlled the ‘Dirty War’, had not slammed into the side of a mountain in Scotland, who in the Republican side do you think would have accepted that the Brits were serious when they said that they were finally ready to negotiate a settlement ?

  • Decimus

    How many ceasefires and other ‘Understandings’ did the Brits enter into with Republicans in the seventies, only to expediently and opportunistically break one after the other in a cynical and shameless exercise of bad faith ?

    Munsterview,

    IRA ceasefires tended to be broken by the IRA.

    If I read your claim about the Chinook crash correctly then you are alleging that the British killed those people in order to convince the leadership of PIRA that they were serious about asking PIRA to end their terror campaign. Is that seriously what you are alleging?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Hooray, it’s a time for a game of “my internet-assembled victimhood is better than your internet-assembled victimhood”. Let’s see exactly who will win out through their mastery of Google and the Sutton Index!

  • Munsterview

    Decimus : “……It is my understanding that the Normans (who were Norsemen who settled in France) were invited into a deeply divided Ireland by one of the feuding warlords. Any subsequent battles that were fought against them would have been quite justified…..”

    Sound man yourself, we could be on to something here ?

    Now for the next one and it is a biggie so take your time ! Can you pinpoint when exactly what you have deemed legitimate force against the Norman Invaders ceased to be justified and when the Resisting Gaelic Natives ceased to be patriots and became terrorists ?

  • Jimmy Sands

    “Gaddafi’s Libya regarded them as freedom fighters of course,”

    Even Gaddafi disowned them in the end.

    “It looks like they are going to face a serious challenge for that particular crown.”

    I’d quibble with the word “serious” there. Desperate perhaps, but rarely serious

  • Decimus

    Now for the next one and it is a biggie so take your time ! Can you pinpoint when exactly what you have deemed legitimate force against the Norman Invaders ceased to be justified and when the Resisting Gaelic Natives ceased to be patriots and became terrorists ?

    Munsterview,

    It is my understanding that the Normans assimilated with the native Irish and in many cases became ‘more Irish than the Irish’. Therefore presumably the natives ceased ‘resisting’ against them.

  • lamhdearg

    Mv., i a fellow alu hat owner, feel in my water that the deaths on the mull, stink, you imply certainty, please elaborate why.

  • Munsterview

    Lamhd.

    This will do for openers, just back. I had this out for somebody else earlier in the week, it is a good overview.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25635

    CS Can you really afford the time to get involved in this debate ? It is not quite fair to leave your exalted leaded picking off those crowns from the prison uniforms all on his own. The man needs help and encouragement!

  • antoinmaccomhain

    MV-@On Another Man’s Wound-Ernie O’Malley.Now there’s a book that every Irish person should read.
    The cold spell before dawn,the morning star that often told us our watch was over as we lay under the ferns,and that the sun and not our sense of direction would be our guide ,then the massed clouds and the first cold,faint streaks,rabbits jerking their white scuts among the weeds and grasses,the undulating form of a weasal slipping by or the shrill scream as the death cry of a rabbit rang out,the thin squeal of a field mouse and birds worming.A hum of insects as they turned up for the days orchestra,the harsh rattle of the corn crake or his hurried trot in the meadows,the chirp of young birds,meadow larks soaring higher in sound and space making the air thrill,grass-hoppers noising,tweets of a zig-zagging snipe in bottom lands and the tall stilted gey blue form of a heron in the distance holding himself in dignified slimness.
    Twilight,restful ease,the clear cut views of trees on skylines and the blurring of shapes,the thickening of the hazy plum-skin dusk,a swollen sun dropping quickly over the edge of sight,soft lowing cows driven homeward to be milked,house swallows diving from the eaves ,the rattle of a cart in the distance,sometimes the honk of wild geese swift flying in a “V”,and a wrench as i thought of the split wasted lives of our Wild Geese in foreign armies.
    Corn and hay cocks,chestnut flowers,the dripping mustard of locust trees shared the flaxen or gold hue with yellow rag weed and the heavy gold of meadow sweet.Lilac scented blue near tufted clusters of mauve rhodo-dendron,oak leaves in a now startling green twisted their paler backed powder,tall avenues of beeches burnished smooth stems and brown twigs.

    Ernie O’Malley came within a week or so of joining the British Army,and imo probably epitomized more than anyone else the great mass of contradictions that exist(ed),on the entire island of Ireland at the time,certainly as much as Pearse,who once said it ‘twas the English blood in him that made him brood,and the Irish blood in him which made of him a dreamer.However,with the exception of people like Irish Citizen Army Volunteer James Joyce,who hailed from Rathgar,the vast majority of ‘Volunteers’ who died in the 1916 Rising,the ‘War of Independence’ and the Anti-Treaty side in the ‘Civil War’,were Factory workers and Labourers.95% of the Irish Citizen Army came from the slums of Dublin.The whole notion of ‘Petty Buergeoise Nationalists’ being the driving force behind the Rising is nothing more than ‘Revisionism’,and although ‘Petty Buergeoise Nationalists’,aka Cumann Na nGael eventually took power,it doesn’t mean that the ‘Volunteers’ of the ICA/Cumann Na mBan/IRA were motivated by ‘Petty Buergeoise Nationalism’.There’s a difference.For example,in 1922 we find that all the Anti-Treaty soldiers executed by the ‘National Army ’ on the 19 December in Kildare,and also those executed in Dublin on the 24 December all had one thing in common,they were all,to a man,Labourers,Railway workers,and Factory workers.Richard Towhig certainly wouldn’t have been motivated by ‘Petty Buergeoise Nationalism’.No,’twas more likely the fact that his father had died in the ‘Great War’,when the red poppies danced,and they really believed that that war would end wars’.
    Dublin

    Vol. Peter Cassidy 24 Nov. 1922-Corporation worker
    Vol. John Gaffney 24 Nov, 1922-Corporation worker
    Vol. Richard Twohig- 24 Nov. 1922-Factory worker
    Vol. James Fisher- 24 Nov. 1922-Factory Worker

    Kildare

    Vol. Patrick Bagnel 19 Dec. 1922-Labourer
    Vol. Joseph Johnson 19 Dec. 1922-Railway worker
    Vol. Patrick Nolan 19 Dec. 1922-Labourer
    Vol. Patrick Mangan 19 Dec. 1922-Labourer
    Vol. Brian Moore 19 Dec. 1922-Railway worker
    Vol. Stephen White 19 Dec. 1922-Labourer
    Vol. James O’Connor 19 Dec. 1922-Labourer.

  • lamhdearg

    and that peice, convinced you Mv. not much in it.

  • sliabhluachra

    “a position of republican purity”.

    I don’t think there is any such thing and the McKearney family or what is left of them (Margaret, Tommy etc) would be closer to it than many others still within the Provisional Alliance.
    McIntyre did 17 years inside. That is serious time and few do it without being changed. That is as true for Gerry Kelly and Mandela (the African not the Derry one) as it is for McIntyre., who was always a pawn and not a player. Ditto The Dark, who obviously had an operational head on his shoulders as had King Rat, The Jackal, Sepp Dietrich and a host of other nasties.
    Dietrich was a great leader but almost functionally illiterate; according to Wehrmacht commanders, he could not even read a map.
    The SS were tough country boys who, as Joachim Piper said, were semi-literate but could handle their arms.

    Ditto many of the Provos. They too knew enough of their leaders’ ideologies (Jews/Brits bad, National Socialism/ Provoism good) for their needs.

    If McIntyre had to be put into the pantheon of Republican saints, I would put him nearer George Gilmore or someone like that than to Connolly. His was not the lead role. He heard the piper and got 17 years and a hard experience as a result.

    I am thinking of the quote about how many had to die to make Caesar/Adams great but it escapes me. Either way, McIntyre gave 17+ years to Adams’ success. The crumbs left to him, Boston and Coalport were, given everything, predictable enough in retrospect. The corrupt Republican gravy train.

  • Munsterview

    Pat Mc “…The poster sliabhluachra,….”

    You mean ‘the poser’ Sliabhluachra ?

    I am rather surprised that you you and others who should know better from experience, could have allow yourselves to be used like this !

    sliabhluachra (profile) 20 November 2011 at 1:49 p.m.

    First off please take a look at this post ‘The poster sliabhluachra,’ and the subject matter covered and the concerns as expressed in the opening paragraph. There is only one identifiable poster here who have those specific concerns, and who,when a baited trap is laid, will instinctively rush in and defend this specific religious/national concern. and who is also expert in anti-Republican bile.

    Go to the posts of departed ‘Maskey’ ‘Limerick’ or to the one that came into a brief existence ( I cannot recall the ‘pseudo used ) when a C of I former pupil of a leading Southern Protestant School started posting here with something useful to say regarding Southern /Northern Protestant experience, for the express purpose of cyber bullying her off the site.

    I knew her school, her community and exchanged a few posts with her as did greenflag and some others. It suddenly seemed that from within the Southern Protestant Community, this poster could demolish a lot of useful myths paraded here regarding Southern Protestant Oppression, so she had to be bullied off slugger and she was without too much protest may I add. Among the tactics used was the claim that this poster was a ‘pseudo’ that I had personally originated

    Fact matters little in propaganda, what matters is 1)….. what you force your opponent to deny and then deny again, as even if they are right, when they are explaining they are loosing, and

    2),….. what you can get the ‘target audience’ to believe about your opponent to demolish their credibility and sow doubts as to their ability, intelligence etc. The ‘pseudo poster’ ‘Masky’ gave some striking, if albeit chilling examples of this ability.

    All these posts have one thing in common; they are all so obviously penned by the same poster, who it can at least be said picked an apt ‘handle’ for his main effort. However for the discerning person these ‘Clever Charlies’ cannot keep a sustained act together and leave tracks that are readily apparent.

    Apparachics, irrespective of what system they trained in or serve, are the same everywhere, limited people who would not be doing what they are doing if they had other above average abilities. Spies, spooks and their like may have a glamorized TV and film Personas, yet initevably when their covers are blown and they stand exposed, they are seen, in the main, to be very unremarkable and limited people indeed.

    ******************

    While Mick and editorial allow this farce of one poster, posting under a half dozen or more different ‘psudos’ this poster/poser is not alone giving a ‘two fingers’ to opponents such as myself, they are also doing so to every genuine poster on Slugger!

    This goes well past an insult to the intelligence of the average reader, it also devalues each and every contribution made by genuine posters and it interferes with any meaningful exchanges that can take place. The latter of course is the real intent.

    ****************

    That of course and anti-Republican propaganda, but just not any kind. Republicans up to the Ceasefire and for some time after came down a united road. As I have posted elsewhere once politics and the logic of politics fully took over from the Armed Struggle and this was accepted by Mainstream Republicans, distinctions and differences became inevitable.

    However there still should be a commonality of interests and a shared ideal if not methodology, just as there is in certain Nationalists/Republican concerns and interests in the North and among Republican/ Fianna Fail people on the ground in the South.

    When the Nationalist Revival movement began to emerge in the last quarter of the 19th, cent in the South, Britain worked furiously behind the scenes through agents to foment splits, divisions and suspicions. If they were to prevent an Independent Irish Nation emerging, then it was necessary to play up the social, cultural and historical differences. They often succeeded as in the Parnell Split.

    The particular poster here, under the guise of castigating Britain for denying Ireland’s rights, use the facilities of slugger to in fact attempt to get groups inside the broad Republican family at each others throats, and externally to portray them and in particular the IRA as at best ‘misguided fools’ At every opportunity he portray the infiltration of the IRA by Brit intel.

    ( In fact that this same poster is a holder of a dual Israeli/ Irish citizenship and has in his Israeli capacity, probably served in the Israeli Forces { a reasonable assumption unless and until he states otherwise } then in that capacity he has been party to Oppression of The Palestinian Peoples using the very same tactics as the Brits used against the Nationalist Communities in the North…. and are still doing. At very least time and again he has personally and unconditionally backed Israeli activities in the West Bank!

    It is a blatant two faced demonstration of rank hyprocicy to purport to condemn British Methodologies in the North while supporting these same tactics and strategy against the Palestinian Peoples in the Occupied West Bank and this alone says all there is to say about the sincerity of this particular poster on any subject.)

    I have yet to see a full account from him as to how this same IRA leadership managed to tap into the main signals cable that was for the exclusive use of the British GOC in Northern Ireland and his top Brass giving the IRA Northern Command GHQ all the Generals signal traffic from his Whitehall masters until the ‘ Intel listening post was accidently blown by a third party unconnected with the British or the IRA..

    This was the same IRA that Alias would have us believe the British were ‘running rings around’ and duping at all stages of their existence. Other details of successful IRA taps into Northern and Southern Security sources are now emerging in the ongoing Southern Tribunal and detailed in Phoenix Magazine and other media. But of course Alias also know this……. his purpose is, where possible, not to share this withthe general readership here as his purpose is anti-republican propaganda, not disclosing overall fact or imparting full information!

  • sliabhluachra

    Republicanism is, like National Socialism, a discredited creed. Both had their Romanticist wing, both had failed chicken farmers, land grabbers, clumsy rewriters of history, self-servers, the tin foil brigade (the higher echelons of the SS and the Prophesies of Malachy crowd). Both, as this thread makes plain, had virulent anti-Semitic strains. The Austrian house-painter, for example, said Jews who fought in the Great War, were not real Germans (irony was not his strong point). Land grabbers believe Irish Jews are, well, not Irish.
    It is the old, manipulative trick of driving a wedge between faith and fatherland. Ironic, of course, that Ireland’s most famous fictional character is a Jew but how and ever.
    Republicans have not been on the same road in living memory. Some republicans stopped buying the Irish Press after Dev had Kearns hung and after George Plant, a Protestant, was shot by firing squad. The old non sectarianism of the Irish Citizen Army and of the Republican Congress time was displaced by the Provo Alliance, who gunned down all opposition as they took over “their” turf.
    The word pogrom has been thrown about. But the Official Republican Movement wrote a pamphlet with that word in the title, detailing how members of the Provisional Alliance hunted them down in Belfast on the orders of The Bearded One, himself a deserter from the Official Republican Movement. Let us also remember the post PIRA ceasefire visitations to members of the IRSP (not INLA), RIRA etc as well as the sanctioned executions in Ardoyne and Short Strand. Then there is the narco terrorism
    Provo Republicanism is a warped tree that can bear no good fruit. It that sense, McIntyre is also a victim. Their populist rants are just that, empty, opportunistic vote begging noise.
    To again quote the veteran Irish Republican, Mairin de Burca, a curse on all their houses. That said, here is a good song about true republicans:

  • Alias

    MV, the problem with you burying your head so deeply in the sands of delusion and reality-avoidance is that you can’t see who is kicking your ass at any given time. sliabhluachra is Maskey but not Limerick. Limerick is another poster begining with D.

  • sliabhluachra

    Getting back to the point on hand and away from an t-uas Walter O’Mitty, I have just spent a pleasurable few minutes on youtube listening to tributes to the fallen OIRA and INLA Volunteers. Though The Army of the People song has a nice air, both groups seem to prefer the Red Flag, done with an attractive Irish twang to it (pipes, wind instruments etc) as their Rolls of Honour roll out.
    Though The Red Flag is probably as red as you can get, both groups have mass cards (for such as the late Joe McCann) and some other trappings of Hiberno-nationalism appended to them. Though, with both groups, some of them did try to articulate a left-wing Hiberno ideology of sorts, none of them were really up to it. And nor was McIntyre.
    My youtube trawl also brought up this crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFz8zk4by5g&feature=fvwrel
    Had some of the Hiberno nationalist ideologues been born elsewhere, they would be singing along to this and naming their marching bands after him. Lenny Murphy was a closet homosexual and the INLA killed homosexual (copper)s, much to the annoyance of the Official Homosexual Movement. Oly in crazy Ireland.
    Irish Republicanism is, of course, not an ideology at all. Just look at the opportunists of Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein Provisionals to see that. Because it is a masonic flag of convenience (UI), the sooner the op killing cult of Irish Republicanism goes into the dustbin of history, the better for real politics

  • Nunoftheabove

    sliabhluachra

    Murphy’s homosexuality and (presumably you mean deliberate ?) INLA targetting of gay RUC men – evidence ?

  • Mary Anna

    McIntyre did 17 years in jail for what? while mc Guinness in secret talks from1972 not one day behind bars NI. What was that all about? Today MMG British Stormont Minister- only good boys get rewarded lol.What happen to their cause united Ireland and the hunger strikers who died so the – the Godfathers could gain political power greed and control over the most vulnerable.It was a futile war. They said the sociopaths that they would never sit in the Dail -Stormont dictators rule, sociopaths are full of bullt.

  • sliabhluachra

    RUC Officer Darren Bradshaw was shot dead by the INLA in the Parliament Bar, Dunbar Link, a Belfast gay bar,on 9 May 1997. The gay community lay wreaths at the well-known haunt and were aghast that vsome patriotic …… might have set up Bradshaw.
    Prominent loyalists such as Skelly were also homosexuals and had to take special precautions on that account. The name of the East Belfast Provo escapes me, on Adams’ inner circle and did a few years late in the game.
    I am not gay bashing here but just showing how grey are the waters. Lennie Murphy was full of self-loathing and it was not love that drove him or Skelly. Ditto many Republicans. I am not saying they got their kicks by dragging their defenceless prisoners into Fenian romper rooms but to say that the tracts of JF Lawlor, John Mitchell, PH P{earse and TW Tone were their main inspirations would be stretching it.
    I was going to type that the more respectable lot came from republican families. This would inlcude the Moy McKearney/Fox family, many of the South Armagh Provo families (not too many tract readers there) and, to disprove the pouint, the extended Morrisson and Adams’ families.

    Had the PIRA had the good sense to work by mafia rules, neither Danny Morrisson nor Gerry Adams would have been accepted into any wing of the Provisional Alliance.

    Dixie Elliot, reality is a bitter drink

  • Dixie Elliott

    sliabhluachra

    You are seriously sick, in fact, so much so I’m left wondering how the feck you can type while wearing a Straitjacket?

  • lamhdearg

    any other prooooof (sic), on the mull Mv?.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Point taken MV……

  • Munsterview

    Dixie “…Point taken MV……”

    Good let’s see if a few more take it on board also and this site may yet serve for genuine exchanges of views and shared dialogue as Mick intended !

  • harry_w

    Jimmy,

    “You’re doing a grand job [to discredit Republicans].”

    Before getting too caught up in rubber-necking (and I’d do the same if I were unionist), it might be worth recalling you did your own stretch on The Blanket with McIntyre et al.

    http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22Jimmy+Sands%22+site%3Aindiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu%3A81

    It made perfect sense for you, in terms of your political orientation and the intent of your writings, aiming to discredit Republicans.

    It seemed to make much less sense for others, like McIntryre who ran the show, in terms of their ostensible orientation and intentions. One can only hope they got the gag.

    Yet, politics does produce strange bedfellows, we’ve even lived to see the Chuckle Brothers perform at Stormont, something that seemed anathema to one and all at The Blanket.

    Can we expect memoirs of your years on The Blanket? Or just rehash old material in collected works and give it a snappy title.

    If it’s pitched right, you might appear on a dozen or more undergraduate reading lists (though it helps if you have friends in the business) . Don’t fall prey to false modesty; seize your place among the pantheon.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @Where does that leave the politicians in Leinster House? I’m not talking about members of FF or FG etc I’m talking about politicians in general who attack the corruptness of these parties yet remain part of the system they inhabit…

    Imo it boils down to one thing,’Self-Interest’.The so-called left in the South are a joke.I tink a lot of the problems within ‘Republicanism’ stem from the fact that it’s been dominated by Belfast for the past forty years.Seamus Costello imo made one fatal error,aside from ‘armed struggle’,in his analyisis in the seventies when he said that it was essential to win over Belfast.I believe that Dublin was the key.The collapse of FF at the last GE and the failure of Sinn Féin has highlighted this fact,once again.The ‘Labour Party’,just like in the 1930s have been given a free hand.Cathal O’Shannon,’Labour Party’,when taking a swipe at the ‘United Front-Republican Congress’,of the 1930s, may as well have been talking last week when he said-

    Quote-’Was it suggested that they exchange views with,say,Peadar O’Donnell?He had no views and never had any.The Worker’s Party and the United Front Movement were already split from top to bottom, nevertheless they want to unite and to exchange views with the Labour Party….If anyone wanted to exchange views let them come into the Labour Movement.’

    What ‘Labour’ movement?

    When asked on RTÉ the other night how many jobs they created since taking power nine months ago,the Minister for Employment start stuttering.100,000 jóbs plan?People are actually begging for work.They’re now taking money off ‘Single-Mothers’ in the next budget.Why?Easy targets.The ‘Socialist Workers Party-Socialist Party’ are another jóke.Advocating civil disobedience is well and good.Against what,and for what?They remain part of the system they inhabit….

  • Jimmy Sands

    “I’d do the same if I were unionist”

    That’s where we differ. If I were a unionist I probably wouldn’t have written them. And if you can grasp that point I suspect you may be closer to answering your own question as to why (and this is my assumption, it was never discussed) they agreed to run them.

    Still, so long as you enjoyed them.

  • harry_w

    Jimmy,

    I do apologise if you were rubber-necking from a different lane, perhaps it’s a risk you take in irony, but it escaped me.

    Your work at The Blanket displayed a lot more wit than others’; if that’s suitable for the blurb on a paperback, you’re welcome.

    If I’ve misinterpreted your political orientation or intent, you could set the record straight.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    To the poster Dixie Elliott,

    it is your good self who is quite apt at giving your own version of what people earn or own or what they have achieved. It is your good self who wants to put on record what houses people may own or what they are employed at. This and other sites is testament to the tactics you employ. The proviso (no pun) is that those you lambast are connected to SF.
    I am quite happy to have you wallow in that whingefest because you are irrelevant to the point at hand. The author of the book is quite happy to use the very tactics you employ. He is at pains to point out the records of anyone connected with SF that crosses his path.
    In that respect it is right and proper to point out the feet of clay of the author, especially in the provision of fire traps for ordinary residents.

    Unfortunately your latest post tails off into a bilious rant about my imagined friends in the USA. I always find that when a poster starts constructing fantasies from which to argue a point it is at that point thay are best left to chat to themselves.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    Sliabhluachra-
    @They’re National Socialists.
    National Socialism is a very weighted term,and is a term used on a regular basis,by ‘Socialists’, to describe the ‘Socialism’ of ‘Republicans’.National Socialists like Adolf Hitler as we all know started with the Gypsys,and if anyone can be accused of ‘National Socialism’ i think the proof is in the pudding.Fianna Fáils Bertie Ahern calls himself a Socialist,and i’m sure he’s a Nationalist.A National Socialist.For example,before the Recession,at the height of the Celtic Tiger,the Roma Gypsys in Dublin got some Real Life Experience of ‘National Socialism’, Irish Style-
    The Garda, acting on the instructions of Justice Minister Brian Lenihan,Fianna Fáil,served the Roma with deportation orders-By Claire Soares-Thursday, 26 July 2007

    “Nearly a hundred Roma gypsies were flown from Ireland to Bucharest last night, bringing an end to a months-long stand-off that saw them living on a motorway roundabout in scenes more reminiscent of Delhi slums than Dublin suburbs. The group, all members of a single extended family, had journeyed to Ireland in the hope of taking advantage of Romania’s recent membership of the European Union. They wanted, they said, to find steady agricultural work in the Irish countryside and improve their standard of living.What they hadn’t reckoned with was legislation decreeing that Romanians and Bulgarians cannot work in Ireland without a permit, and can only stay legally for three months at a time before having to prove employment. Nor could they claim benefits, thanks to another law barring anybody – including Irish citizens – from claiming welfare until they have lived legally in the country for two years.And so the Roma set up camp on a roundabout in the middle of the M50, Ireland’s congested motorway, in the sprawling suburbs west of the capital. Here the group of about 90 people, including six-week old babies and sixty-year-old grandmothers, cobbled together makeshift shelters, pilfering tarpaulin, scraps of wood and rope from rubbish tips.”Conditions were very bad. The roundabout is in a sort of basin and with the horrific rain we’ve had, they were living knee-deep in mud and sludge, with no sanitation facilities,” said Sara Russell, the Roma co-ordinator for Pavee Point Travellers Centre, which has been assisting the group.The Roma are one of eastern Europe’s most persecuted people, but conditions at the site in 21st-century Ireland have shocked even experienced aid workers.With the smell of human excrement hanging in the air, the rotting food and piles of rubbish, two children from the camp were taken to a central Dublin hospital suffering from severe diarrhoea last week. Those youngsters that dodged disease could often be seen begging among the lorries, vans and cars on the motorway, prompting the AA in Ireland to warn about the dangers of a serious accident.”We were saddened that these people were left in this squalor for two months, while they waited for a minister’s decision,” Ms Russell said.”- By Claire Soares-Thursday, 26 July 2007.
    Fine Gaels Darren Scully,has shown how ‘Nationalist’, ‘Democratic Rvolutionaries’ Fine Gael have become with his remarks about the ‘Blacks.’I wouldn’t help a Blackman.’-25/11/11.
    Fianna Fáil solution to poverty-Blame it on the Gypsys. Fine Gael solution to poverty-Blame it on the Blacks.

  • Munsterview

    Antoin : “…We were saddened that these people were left in this squalor for two months, while they waited for a minister’s decision,” Ms Russell said.”- By Claire Soares-Thursday, ….”

    I have often represented Traveller Groups in their dealings with Councils, the last month long negocations that I was involved in only took place some months back.

    I know that Dublin ‘site’ where the Roma camped…. if that is a word that could be used in this context. They should have not been allowed there for a whole day never mind the extended period that they were allowed remain there. The encampment was unsafe, it was unsanitary, it was an eyesore and it was a complete disgrace and another testament to the various Councils enforcing petty regulations such as parking to the hilt, while totally ignoring things that break a plethora of rules such as building regulations and campsites such as this.

    While I have every sympathy for the Roma peoples and their discrimination, both historically and currently, certain activities of theirs are inexcusable and ‘camping’ on this site was one.

    Their behavior was inexcusable, dangerous for themselves and their children on any number of grounds and it should not have been tolerated for a day, a couple of days or a week much less the protracted period it was and that transcends every other issue involved in regards to that site and whatever other rights they and the Roma peoples in Ireland collectively have.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    MV-( In fact that this same poster is a holder of a dual Israeli/ Irish citizenship and has in his Israeli capacity, probably served in the Israeli Forces { a reasonable assumption unless and until he states otherwise } then in that capacity he has been party to Oppression of The Palestinian Peoples using the very same tactics as the Brits used against the Nationalist Communities in the North…. and are still doing. At very least time and again he has personally and unconditionally backed Israeli activities in the West Bank!

    With all due respect ‘MV’,i have jewish relatives.Irish-jews to be precise.In the 1980s they had to ‘Squat’ in a derelict house accross the road from my mothers,before they emmigrated,due to the fact that there was an unemployment rate of 80% where i grew up.One of them nearly lost their life after a bomb blew a bus load of kids to smithereens.He was sick and didn’t go into school that morning.Apart from the fact that there’s a 40% unemployment rate in Gaza,and an 80% unemployment rate in Limerick(Ballinacurra),70%(Brandywell),75%(Ballyfermot),why do you think it’s necesscary for posters to state their position on the ‘West Bank?’-I could understand the position of the ULA-Sinn Féin,if ’1′ of their relatives were actually living in ‘Squats’,or died fighting for ‘Palestine’,but they don’t have ’1′ between them,do they?No.Just empty rhetoric…Trot in out the same lines year after year….

    I actually remember the very first Anti-Gulf war protest in 1990,there were NO POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTs.

    Perhaps todays ‘revolutionaires’,should take a leaf from the pages of Marc Becker-

    Ethnicity And New Guerrilla Struggles In Latin America.-Marc Becker.
    ‘On his motorcycle trip through South America,Che visited the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu in the Peruvian highlands.He was impressed with the ruins and Inca history,he read literature critical of the social and economic marginalization that Indians faced,and he observed the misery and exploitation to which the Inca descendents were subjected.Still,he never seriously considered that their ethnic identity could lead to a type of consciousness that would result in a movement with revolutionary implications.’

  • Munsterview

    Antoin : “….MV-( In fact that this same poster is a holder of a dual Israeli/ Irish citizenship and has in his Israeli capacity, probably served in the Israeli Forces { a reasonable assumption unless and until he states otherwise } then in that capacity he has been party to Oppression of The Palestinian Peoples using the very same tactics as the Brits used against the Nationalist Communities in the North…. and are still doing. At very least time and again he has personally and unconditionally backed Israeli activities in the West Bank…..”

    First off I made it quite clear in the foregoing post, I could not give the proverbial fiddler’s F*** as to whether the poster concerned is Jewish or a member of ‘The Militant League Of Atheists’ as far as his faith beliefs go.

    I do have quite a problem however with any Jewish person who declare their Jewish interests and then raise the specter of ‘anti-semitism’ to avoid open debate or comment on their attitudes or opinions. This is especially so since they well know that becoming involved in accusations of ‘anti-semitism’ is one of a public media editors worst nightmare and that such editors will always erred on the side of caution and extreme caution at that.

    That may be a good polemic ploy on behalf of certain posters and a very useful club to beat political opponents with. It is also one guaranteed to bring all the politically correct brigade swarming out of the woodwork.

    Any comments I make here cannot be independent of my past and current Republican stances that I took on certain issues. Neither can ‘Jimmy Sands’ comments however reasonable they may appear on a specific issue be taken apart from his ‘blanket’ or other periods of polemic diatribes against Republicans. That particular leopard has not changed his spots, his anti-Republican agenda is still the very same now as back then and therefore it is a valid comparison to contrast his past writings on Republicans with his current views and point out the continuity.

    Republicans have moved on and Mainstream Republicans in particular have over a decade and a half of peaceful political activity now behind them and they have played a meaningful part in helping to transform Northern Society and politics on this Island. Read any of the ‘Blanket’ pieces and some of the offerings here in Slugger in past months and then it is very easy to see just how much ‘Jimmy Sands’ has moved on. He is still in the same rut banging on the same old drum.

    At least Turgan in his anti-Republican stance has a transparency and the sincerity of his convictions ( however wrong they may be) and like Luther that he so admires, ‘there he stands, he can do no other’

    Back to Alias and his stance, he purports to have a Pro Irish Sovereignty, Anti British Interference in Irish affairs stance . If so it is also quite reasonable to raise the activities of the Israeli Occupation Forces in the West Bank and parallel these with the activities of the British Army in the North and the latter’s treatment of the Republican/ Nationalist /Catholic populace.

    It is total dishonesty and rank hyprocicy to completely and unqualifingly support the activities of the Israeli Army and Government in their brutalization, oppression and ongoing murder of the Palestine peoples and then to purport to feign concern about similar British Activities, both historically and currently in the Six Counties.

    If this concern is not genuine, then all we are left with is situations and events opportunistically availed of to make Anti-Republican Propaganda. That attitude do not advance dialogue or exchanges of views, indeed it impedes it and that of course is the very idea and the real agenda !

    This ( Mick and editorial please note ) is not ‘Manplay’ it is a valid contextualization of Alias if readers are to have an informed opinion on his sincerity…..or otherwise!

  • Alias

    If only I received a euro for every time you lovingly dropped my name into one of your dissembling posts, I too could own a yacht…

  • Munsterview

    Alias :”….If only I received a euro for every time you lovingly dropped my name into one of your dissembling posts, I too could own a yacht…”

    Your constant record of attempted ridicule, denigration and mockery is there in slugger for all to see, especially in the lead up to ‘Maskey’ no 1 showing slugger a similar clean pair of heels as the bombastic Dermot Ahern showed to Gerry Adams when he was given a direct challenge in his own constituency.

    The first dose of your own medicine you got back resulted in a ‘truce offer’ from you that you would stop the insulting if I did likewise, this despite the fact that you had fifty or more of such derogatory posts against me while I ignored you and your attempt to ‘take the heat off ‘Maskey’ 1. In short Alias you can certainly dish it out, you have proven that but you cannot take it when you are at the receiving end.

    And in as much as yachts have anything to do with this, if I also had a euro for everyone of your insults and denigration’s I could afford to trade up ………and also have enough left over to fund a summer Mediterranean cruise as well!

  • Jimmy Sands

    “Their behavior was inexcusable, dangerous for themselves and their children on any number of grounds and it should not have been tolerated for a day, a couple of days or a week much less the protracted period it was and that transcends every other issue involved”

    Good grief I think he’s finally got it.

  • Decimus

    And in as much as yachts have anything to do with this, if I also had a euro for everyone of your insults and denigration’s I could afford to trade up

    Munsterview,

    You have a yacht?

  • Jimmy Sands

    It’s called the Venus

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    What was the Captain fit for?

  • Munsterview

    JimmyS : “…It’s called the Venus…”

    Just the one first letter of that name you suggested changed Jimmy and that about sums you up as far as the Republican community are concerned !

  • Jimmy Sands

    Genius?

  • Decimus

    Irish republicanism circa 2011:

    The haves and the have yachts.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    James Connolly-“Ireland as distinct from her people, is nothing to me: and the man who is bubbling over with love and enthusiasm for Ireland, and can yet pass unmoved through our streets and witness all the wrong and the suffering, the shame and the degradation brought upon the people of Ireland – aye, brought by Irishmen upon Irishmen and women, without burning to end it, is in my opinion, a fraud and a liar in his heart, no matter how he loves that combination of chemical elements he is pleased to call Ireland.”

    @MV-”While I have every sympathy for the Roma peoples and their discrimination, both historically and currently, certain activities of theirs are inexcusable and ‘camping’ on this site was one.”

    They were deported for being Gypsys,not because their ‘behavior was inexcusable’.

    Fianna Fáil playing the ‘Gypsy card’.There was/is an estimated 30,000 millionaires in Ireland.There’s 2,000 Roma Gypsys.If by ‘certain activities’ you mean ‘the vagrancy law,1847,then i suggest you simply don’t put money in the cup.Irish Traveller Niall Dillon made a mockery of this ‘Law’ a few years ago,iirc,when it was found to be ‘unconstitutional’ for some bizarre reason.

    Fine Gael are now playing the ‘Black card’.-i wouldn’t mind but the Dreadlocked kids playing outside my garden today with baldy skin head kids,don’t seem to notice a difference.Effectively what i’m saying is that yes,Fianna Fáil/Fine Gaelers are ‘stiring’ it.

    @MV-Anti-semitism?-No.That’s one thing no Socialist Republican i ever knew could be accused of.I just think that there’s an element who ‘feign concern’ about the murder of the ‘Palestine peoples’ and ignore the Reality on the ground in their own back yard,ie.That your twice as likely to be unemployed in Ballinacurra-Ballyfermot or the Brandywell,as you are to be unemployed in ‘Gaza’.

  • Dixie Elliott

    harry_w

    Someone once said that Scap was innocent….

    As for Pat McLarnon, typically of Adamsism, he types a lot in reply, in order to hide the fact he has no answers…

  • Munsterview

    Antoin : As I said I know that particular roundabout, I passed it a couple of times a month while it was occupied.

    In blunt simple English, while farming practices in my childhood were primitive, never the less I have seen pigs in better conditions than people that roundabout. If any of the settled community or Irish Settled Travelers were in domestic house conditions that even in part paralleled the conditions there, it would have resulted would have resulted in an outcry from neighbors for the authorities to act.

    MV : ”While I have every sympathy for the Roma peoples and their discrimination, both historically and currently, certain activities of theirs are inexcusable and ‘camping’ on this site was one.”

    I still totally stand over that statement regarding the roundabout and the sanitary and other conditions there.

    How the Roma were treated by the Irish Gardai and local government authorities is another matter. Did the authorities make use of the traffic island conditions as a justification and cover for their actions in rounding up Roma as ‘undesirables’ and shipping them back home ?

    Very probably that they did but that do not change the fact that conditions on that site were unsafe for adults and children, were completely unsanitary and posed an unacceptable health threat for children.

    Put it another way, if Irish Travelers were living like this on a site that an Irish Local Government council had statuary responsibility for, I would not have had the slights difficulty in organizing a whole raft of Court Orders for them against the Council concerned.

    The Council were obliged to act in relation to the camp……. and they could have been sued for not acting! The wider issues raised, moral and legal are entirely another matter.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @MV-In blunt simple English, while farming practices in my childhood were primitive, never the less I have seen pigs in better conditions than people that roundabout. If any of the settled community or Irish Settled Travelers were in domestic house conditions that even in part paralleled the conditions there, it would have resulted would have resulted in an outcry from neighbors for the authorities to act.

    As i’ve said-’ I just think that there’s an element who ‘feign concern’ about the murder of the ‘Palestine peoples’ and ignore the Reality on the ground in their own back yard,ie.That your twice as likely to be unemployed in Ballinacurra-Ballyfermot or the Brandywell,as you are to be unemployed in ‘Gaza’.

    Man Shot Dead In Ballyfermot.Can’t wait to hear the outcry.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @If any of the settled community or Irish Settled Travelers were in domestic house conditions that even in part paralleled the conditions there, it would have resulted in an outcry from neighbors for the authorities to act.

    One of my my earliest childhood memories,in ‘Life’,was being in a ‘Caravan’ outside my grand-mothers house,in a 2 x 3,in Drimnagh,before i ‘Emmigrated’ 2 the ‘Flats’(1 x 2),at the age of 3/4,and u can ‘Rest assured’,there waz No ‘Outcry’ then,nor has there been since,about,’Irish Settled Travelers’ livin’ ,’in domestic house conditions’, that ‘parallel’ those conditions,’from neighbors for,the authorities to act.’

    Quite the opposite.

    For example,when my head was used as a ‘Cricket Ball’,by the Gardaí,in front of 200 ‘Christians-Office workers’,in 2000,5 minutes from ‘DÁIL Éireann’, there wasn’t ’1 ‘Word Of Protest’.Nay,a ‘Hushed F+ckin’ Silence’.417B-Hope That U Remember ME.

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @I still totally stand over that statement regarding the roundabout and the sanitary and other conditions there.

    I’ll ‘Challenge U’,or ‘ANY MEMBER’(ADAMS,MCGuinness,etc.etc.,etc, ,of the’ , ‘REPUBLKICAN MOVEMENT’ to a ‘PUBLIC’ debate,regardinding ‘The Sanitary Conditions’ that ‘Travelers’ have 2 Liive in In Moder n Ireland.Anytime.Anyplace,u mad muppet…

    and YES it ‘Twas Me WHO MADE the COMMENTS ABOUT PEADeophiles in FEBRUARY,during THE GE ELECTIONS-What have U got 2 say say ABOUT THEM…

    What Is Sinn Féins Position About Peadeophiles In The South(AENGUS O’SNODAIGH,IN PARTICULAR)……

    U want 2 Know Mine?……..Didn’t THINK SO-

    I’LL B HONEST-I’D SHOO …….. Be Barred 4 Life….

    U Mad Ra man T

  • Munsterview

    May one respectfully suggest a possible change of Doctor and a definate change of medication for the New Year ?

    Slainte!

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @May one respectfully suggest a possible change of Doctor and a definate change of medication for the New Year ?

    Slainte!

    I haven’t taken drugs of any description for 5 years.

    You may suggest what you like,a chara.The next time i’m approached by an active drug addict looking for ghossip,and info,which i haven’t got to give, outside the dole office,in Clondalkin,on behalf of the local village idiot,there’s going to be more than words exchanged.

    This arguement goes back to the local elections in 2009,when ‘a’ local Elected by default,Sinn Féin representative had the neck to label me and others with labels that just didn’t fit.Your barking up the wrong tree.

    Sinn Féin members attached to Lucan-Clondalkin are the ones who are’stirring it’.Your so far removed from the reality it’s a waste of my time and yours for me to explain myself.But believe you me,I Will React.Take what you want from that.I represent Nobody,But me.I’m all right in the eyes of my neighbours,and the community where i live.What you or anyone else thinks,doesn’t matter to me.

    Slainte!

  • antoinmaccomhain

    Mick Fealty-Could you kindly remove the following quotes please-

    1)

    29 December 2011 at 4:08 pm@May one respectfully suggest a possible change of Doctor and a definate change of medication for the New Year ?

    Slainte!

    I haven’t taken drugs of any description for 5 years.

    You may suggest what you like,a chara.The next time i’m approached by an active drug addict looking for ghossip,and info,which i haven’t got to give, outside the dole office,in Clondalkin,on behalf of the local village idiot,there’s going to be more than words exchanged.

    This arguement goes back to the local elections in 2009,when ‘a’ local Elected by default,Sinn Féin representative had the neck to label me and others with labels that just didn’t fit.Your barking up the wrong tree.

    Sinn Féin members attached to Lucan-Clondalkin are the ones who are’stirring it’.Your so far removed from the reality it’s a waste of my time and yours for me to explain myself.But believe you me,I Will React.Take what you want from that.I represent Nobody,But me.I’m all right in the eyes of my neighbours,and the community where i live.What you or anyone else thinks,doesn’t matter to me.

    Slainte!

    2)

    @I still totally stand over that statement regarding the roundabout and the sanitary and other conditions there.

    I’ll ‘Challenge U’,or ‘ANY MEMBER’(ADAMS,MCGuinness,etc.etc.,etc, ,of the’ , ‘REPUBLKICAN MOVEMENT’ to a ‘PUBLIC’ debate,regardinding ‘The Sanitary Conditions’ that ‘Travelers’ have 2 Liive in In Moder n Ireland.Anytime.Anyplace,u mad muppet…

    and YES it ‘Twas Me WHO MADE the COMMENTS ABOUT PEADeophiles in FEBRUARY,during THE GE ELECTIONS-What have U got 2 say say ABOUT THEM…

    What Is Sinn Féins Position About Peadeophiles In The South(AENGUS O’SNODAIGH,IN PARTICULAR)……

    U want 2 Know Mine?……..Didn’t THINK SO-

    I’LL B HONEST-I’D SHOO …….. Be Barred 4 Life….

    U Mad Ra man T

    3)

    28 November 2011 at 11:01 am

    @MV-In blunt simple English, while farming practices in my childhood were primitive, never the less I have seen pigs in better conditions than people that roundabout. If any of the settled community or Irish Settled Travelers were in domestic house conditions that even in part paralleled the conditions there, it would have resulted would have resulted in an outcry from neighbors for the authorities to act.

    As i’ve said-’ I just think that there’s an element who ‘feign concern’ about the murder of the ‘Palestine peoples’ and ignore the Reality on the ground in their own back yard,ie.That your twice as likely to be unemployed in Ballinacurra-Ballyfermot or the Brandywell,as you are to be unemployed in ‘Gaza’.

    Man Shot Dead In Ballyfermot.Can’t wait to hear the outcry.

    The Reason Is As Follows-I’ve become aware that the ‘guy’ that was killed was a drug dealer involved in the death of Liam Kenny-A local Republican,whom i never knew,but who i am quite sure was never involved with the drug trade.-I have no ‘Empathy’ whatsoever with the death in Ballyfermot-Im not condoning it either-

    Yours sincerely,mise le meas,Happy New Year 2 You-

  • antoinmaccomhain

    29 December 2011 at 3:42 pm

    May one respectfully suggest a possible change of Doctor and a definate change of medication for the New Year ?

    Slainte!

    ‘I would also like to confirm that the allegations made by Kieran Allen,the English Socialist Workers Party spokesperson in Dublin that ‘Republican Dissidents’ were involved in the Drug Trade is a lie’.-