Quote of the day: “Isn’t this where you used to meet Gerry Adams?”

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From David Hare’s spy drama Page Eight, broadcast tonight on BBC2.  A senior MI5 officer, Johnny Worricker, played by Bill Nighy, is investigating the sudden death of his close friend, and Director General of MI5, Benedict Baron [Michael Gambon].  In the aftermath of the death, a journalist, Rollo Maverley [Ewen Bremner], who is also an MI5 operative paid to release information into the public domain, arranges a meeting at an anonymous motorway diner.  The following exchange takes place.

[Johnny Worricker]: ” A ‘Road House’?  Rather a come-down isn’t it?

[Rollo Maverley]: “Isn’t this where you used to meet Gerry Adams?”

[Johnny Worricker]: “Is it, Rollo?  You’d know better than me.”

[Rollo Maverley]: “So, who are you this time?”

[Johnny Worricker]: “My name’s Eliot.  After the poet.”

Heh.  Well, the current DG of MI5 does have experience in this area…

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  • Fearglic

    So an IRA man infiltrates the MI5 very succinct indeed .

  • http://joeharron@yahoo.com joeCanuck

    michael,

    I guess you missed the bit about one side surrendering.

  • Rory Carr

    Quite the best British television drama in ages harking back to the golden days when we expected such quality not just from the BBC but also from some of the independent television comapnies including Granada and ATV. But then what else are we to expect from that old master of political drama, David Hare?

    I recall going to see his terrific play Plenty at the National Theatre in 1978 with Kate Nelligan in the lead role of Susan Traherne, a former SOE operative in Occupied France, whose slow mental disintegration we observe as she reflects upon the sacrifice and nobility of her wartime service while having to endure the amoral grubbing of the post-war ruling classes and in particular the role of her ambassador husband. The play really knocked me for six as it powerfully called for a noble English patriotism that was not grasping, deceitful, brutal and corrupt and posited the thought that such had once been and might yet be again if only…

    Compared to Plenty last night’s Page Eight was light stuff indeed but with its openly critical stance on the crimes of the Israeli Defence Forces, US torture camps and the crawling subservience of at least one Prime Minister, whom we might just believe we recognise, (a somehat pudgy) Ralph Fiennes, it was more gritty than we have been used to of late.

    The real shock for me was observing how the lead actor, Bill Nighy, grows ever more increasingly and uncannily to resemble the late former first Adjutant-General of the Provisional IRA, Dave O’Connell (Daithi ÓConaill). The more I watch him the greater the resemblance grows.

    Another excellent actor who grew famous for his role as the brutal Soames in The Forsythe Saga which was the big drama serial of the 70′s, Eric Porter, played an IRA leader in a quirky little British movie called Hennessy which starred Rod Steiger and Lee Remick. The somewhat implausible plot centered on the idea of a respectable Belfast civil engineer, whose wife and child are killed by British Army fire during a street encounter, going to the state opening of Parliament prostheticallydisguised as an existing MP and wearing a gelignite waistcoat intending to take down the whole crew – the Cabinet, the Opposition Front Bench, HM the Queen and as many members of Parliament as possible. The IRA get wind of his intent and race against Special Branch to stop him from an act which they reason would bring the full might of the British military down upon them.. Eric Porter played the IRA leader in such a fashion as he might have based him upon O’Connell with a similar hairstyle, trademark shortie white mac and a distinctive way of drawing on a cigarette and that upward tilt of the jaw that any observer of contemporary Troubles footage would have recognised. But he didn’t come close to Bill Nighy who could pass for O’Connell any old day without even trying.

  • Mayoman

    Mmmm, I’m sure this is going to throw up a nice little convo!. GA and SA: http://z6.co.uk/2w

  • Mayoman

    That is a piece from this morning’s Irish Times by the way, very interesting! Sorry if its been blogged about before!

  • Cynic2

    Mayoman

    It cannot be true. Gerry was never in the IRA so how would he have known who to send

    Personally I cant wait to see what comes out of Libya now on the old PIRA links to various Palestinian Groups and attacks on American targets.

    Those old SF invites to drinkie poos at the White House may be a bit harder to get in the future

  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘Well we all know that no brit could stop the tonne bombs in england in 1996- so the Provos were the power- mi5 and 6
    were the touts- no brit can ever stop any Irish-’

    Yerman sloppy,will be along shortly to tell us all about brain dead bigots,no doubt ??? ;-)

  • Comrade Stalin

    Michael,

    Of course the Brits never stopped the IRA. They merely forced them to disarm and practically disband, all within a partitionist solution topped by a system of government they swore to tear down. But that’s not a surrender of course, oh no no no.

  • socaire

    Mr Stalin, are you not confusing Óglaigh na hÉireann with the Provisional Alliance who fought doggedly for – and won – a place in the governance of the province?

  • Cynic2

    ” fought doggedly for – and won – a place in the governance of the province?”

    Socaire

    That’s strange you know. As I get older my mind must play tricks on me. I was sure they fought for a United Ireland not an armchair in the Stormont Tea Rooms.

    And to borrow a phrase or two from the boul Jimmy Sands

    “They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn’t want to be broken”

    and

    “We must see our present fight right through to the very end.”

    SF still seem to use his pictures but aren’t so hot on the quotes these days.

    Ah well, when you lose a war you have to compromise and perhaps poor Bobby was delirious or just didn’t realise the allure of a Ministerial Car, your own Secretary and an expense account were all part of the ‘Imperial arsenal’ too.

  • Local hack

    Missed that – Watched ths show and couldn’t keep up – thought it tried to be too clever than its own good and ended up being smug – Seriously Bill Nighy played an apologetic schoolboy (Aged 74) like he had sh*t on the carpet and was waiting to get found out and we were supposed to believe he was getting it on with Rachel Weiz ? ? ? ALthough ironically the lovely Ms Weiz is married to the current James Bond

  • http://amanfrommars.blogspot.com/ amanfromMars

    michael,

    I guess you missed the bit about one side surrendering.” ….. joeCanuck 29 August 2011 at 1:51 am

    Howdy, all,

    It appears everyone has missed that all sides surrendered to the system that pays them to not use the intelligence they discover about the system they discover will pay them to not use the intelligence they discover, which of course leads everything wide open and vulnerable to that which they don’t discover but which has been discovered and shared and spread freely around the world for novel private use and pirate abuse.

    And it really is something of a joke, and a sad and valid indictment of the lack of intelligence in and at the head of their services, should any of those MI johnnies and janes not realise that with such intelligence on their side, feeding the rank and file, do they lead the Great Game and everyone else reacts to their input/output, which if you were to say to me was what is the present status quo, would I have to say proves the lack of Great Game intelligence point perfectly.

    Y’all need something new to think about, whilst something new gives you something new to present in a product placement which isn’t the sub-prime and sub-prime ministerial crap of yesterday and which sold out the nation for a fistful of worthless dollars which attract all manner of both useful and useless tools and fools ……. but one would quite reasonably expect them to be able to make things much better, rather than the perverse obverse, and them making things much worse, for the latter rather than the former is surely a certifiable madness confirmed.

    Would you like to waste your time in this virtual place and argue a case which would disagree with that which is so obvious to even a blind man on a galloping horse.

    Time for MI5 and MI6 to reassert themselves, methinks, with a stonkingly brilliant plan which extraordinarily renders them still relevant and all those pathetic uppity pretenders to crown information in government administrative roles, the loyal puppets and servants of the people they are elected to be, for mass leadership skills are not in their remit, and most definitely not, as is always evidenced by the non-sustainability of popular excellent performance, their forte either.

    Failing that reassertion with fabulous intelligence, is it …. well, “Goodbye to all that and thanks for the phishes” would be just too unkind, revealing as such a failure does, that phishing and smart product placement is not anything they are good at. So it would just have to be … “Goodbye and thanks for nothing but memories of fail rather than failsafe.”

  • andnowwhat

    Dear me. Gerry is turning up all over the place..

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0829/1224303144889.html

  • michael-mcivor

    andnowwhat-

    Dear me. Gerry is turning up all over the place-

    I know- Gerry and the Provo’s- freedoms people love them- mi5-6 had not got a glue-still are dopy-

  • between the bridges

    M-M “I know- Gerry and the Provo’s- freedoms people love them- mi5-6 had not got a glue-still are dopy-”

    would- that be evo-stik or super -clue?

  • Banjaxed

    I’m led to believe there are in existence several ‘trigger’ words – such as ‘child porn’ or ‘bomb’ – that, if you google them or utter them over the phone, an alarm is set off in the security authorities’ bunkers and, as a consequence, you will have your collar felt in a very short while.

    I’m afraid I’ve come to the conclusion that a similar type of alarm is built into Pete Baker’s brain as it has begun to look like that any mention of Gerry Adams in no matter what format or context will warrant a follow-up posting on the Slugger website by the said Mr Baker.

    This then sets in motion a series of other knee jerk responses from the usual suspects who will use any excuse to ‘Get the Grizzly’. And it doesn’t matter what the main topic is – just get a dig at Adams. As it is, for the life of me, I fail to see the point of this posting. Was it about the drama or a passing comment on Adams? You’ll forgive my confusion if you’ve read several of the foregoing comments.

    I’m rather saddened by this state of affairs at Slugger O’Toole as, what used to be an excellent format for well considered and intelligent opinions, has now deteriorated, for the most part, into an anti-Sinn Fein blog. And the irony is that I don’t even vote for them. But long live free speech – no matter how pointless it is.

  • HeinzGuderian

    If you think Slugger is an ‘anti shinner blog’,I would suggest you are very selective of the threads you read !!

  • Cynic2

    “would- that be evo-stik or super -clue?”

    The argument(?) sounds more like Special Brew

  • Cynic2

    “has now deteriorated, for the most part, into an anti-Sinn Fein blog”

    Its not bias. It’s just a artifact of applying logic to analyzing their behaviour and policies

  • http://amanfrommars.blogspot.com/ amanfromMars

    I’m led to believe there are in existence several ‘trigger’ words – such as ‘child porn’ or ‘bomb’ – that, if you google them or utter them over the phone, an alarm is set off in the security authorities’ bunkers and, as a consequence, you will have your collar felt in a very short while.” …. Banjaxed 29 August 2011 at 3:02 pm

    It would have to be something very simple like that for it to be in any effective, Banjaxed, because once you stray away from the straight and narrow and obvious and start to play in the complex and the intelligent and the profound are you in a world which banjaxes them and leaves them and their algorithms behind. And don’t believe anything you read about anything they would like you to believe, for what they would like you to believe that they can do, they don’t necessarily do if it isn’t going to result in the continuity of false wars …… http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/09/preventing-9-11-201109

    And of course wars are highly profitable for the intellectually challenged and morally bankrupt …… http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm …. for they allow idiots to steal and destroy nations with seeming impunity and immunity, and then charge a fortune to rebuild them, but of course, with impunity and immunity is a dangerous myth for warmongers and their supporters to believe, for one always gets what one deserves eventually. It is the natural way of things and it has always been so, since before even time began.

    War is a racket indeed, and it does make one wonder at the serial stupidity of Man that he tolerates elected idiots and despotic tyrants alike in government waging them in the name of defending a people with rebels and weapons of mass destruction, rather than prosecuting them for inciting terrorism and locking them away in some secure location where they belong as the case is proven.

    More than likely there is some juicy little sexual tale which can be floated as a scandal to be avoided, lurking in the background which leverages such crazy decisions from such pathetic creatures as would claim to speak for a peaceful democratic nation. Such is an old favourite of many a dodgy administration and crooked cabal, although it can also be as easy as crossing one’s palm with enough silver, for anyone can be bought for the right price. It is only a matter of just how much is it going to be worth.

  • Alias

    “This then sets in motion a series of other knee jerk responses from the usual suspects who will use any excuse to ‘Get the Grizzly’. And it doesn’t matter what the main topic is – just get a dig at Adams.”

    Don’t forget the counterpart: ‘Defend the Grizzly Against all Logic & Fact.’

  • Cynic2

    “The usual suspects” ? Just whom are you accusing

  • keano10

    Erm. So the main thrust of attacking Gerry Adams had now apparently descended to using a quote from a fictional drama on BBC2. Highly advanced stuff Pete…

  • Mac

    Well, quotes from fictional drama are one step up from Pete’s ‘deeply regretted by’ blog.
    Now there was obsession manifest.

  • Rory Carr

    “Personally I cant wait to see what comes out of Libya now on the old PIRA links to various Palestinian Groups and attacks on American targets. “ – Cynic2

    PIRA links to attacks on American targets, Cynic? Have you completely lost the plot?

    If you think that Gaddaffi provided materiel to the IRA because of links they had to Palestinian liberation groups you are far mistaken. The reason that he did so was in the hope that they might provide some sort of proxy revenge, for the 1986 US aerial bombardment of his compound in which his stepdaughter, Hana allegedly perished, upon Thatcher’s Britain for its part in providing the bases for the US bombers.

    But if you can’t wait then you can’t wait so I suggest that in the failure of any such evidence emanating from Libya you might try making something up. Innuendo and false rumour have always played a useful role in the armoury of those who would have history ttailored to suit their own outlook.

  • ThomasMourne

    Which Gerry Adams was he referring to?
    The leader of SF.
    Or the other one – the PIRA one.

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    We’ve had Baker Days and now its Baker Quote of the Day. Did any reviewer pick up on this Adams reference – or is it a Baker scoop?

  • Cynic2

    Rory

    Do get real. Its is very well known that in addition to the weapons the Libyans provided training facilities to PIRA and many other ‘liberation’ groups who trained together in Libya and exchanged techniques, intelligence etc. I was alluding to the evidence that may emerge from Libya of these links.

    The reason that PIRA didn’t make more of them was

    1 concern for the damage this would do in the US

    2 the fact that the other Liberation groups didn’t trust the IRA as they were seen as not true socialists and too introverted in their political outlook

  • michael-mcivor

    Wonder who Cynic2 liberation groups are-

    A.N.C- P.L.O- ETA-

    are they true socialists for Cynic2-

  • Munsterview

    Rory : “…Eric Porter played the IRA leader in such a fashion as he might have based him upon O’Connell with a similar hairstyle, trademark shortie white mac and a distinctive way of drawing on a cigarette and that upward tilt of the jaw that any observer of contemporary Troubles footage would have recognized. But he didn’t come close to Bill Nighy who could pass for O’Connell any old day without even trying….”

    The same Dathi was one of the most impressive people that I ever met. He had a remarkable facility to hear a room full of arguments and counter arguments before calling for order, distilling the essence of the contributions, defining the problems one to five or whatever and suggesting similar enumerated solutions to the identified problems.

    There was such a searing clarity to his insights and answers that there was no more to say only start deciding how his solutions could be best implemented. He was indeed a unique individual that all who were privilliged to know him had an abiding affection for, despite the one serious lapse of judgement where he emerged as all too human in his response to a particular situation.

  • Cynic2

    Michael

    Its up to them to define themselves. They distrusted PIRA as insufficiently ideological (I know Michael its two big words in a row – look it up). I wonder why?

  • Rory Carr

    When I suggested to Cynic2 that, in the absence of evidence forthcoming from Libya to support his outlandish assertion of IRA complicity in attacks on American targets, he might try making stuff up, I was really only being tongue-in-cheek. I did not expect him to take me literally. But it seems he has.

    So, in proof of his assertion, instead of evidence, he offers two more equally unfounded assertions, both of them conforming to his vision of how, in his mind, the IRA ought to have been perceived and both not only baseless, but at total odds with available evidence.

    Material not quite suitable for inclusion in an updated volume of The Comic History of Ireland however. More sad than funny really.

  • USA

    Cynic2
    You really have to provide some credible evidence / links.

  • Cynic2

    You will note that what I actually said was:

    “I cant wait to see what comes out of Libya now on the old PIRA links to various Palestinian Groups and attacks on American targets.”

    I did not allege that PIRA themselves attacked US targets. That was picked up and alleged by those desperate to avoid any taint of links between the green myth of the saintly PIRA and other atrocities that might not play so well to modern audiences.

    What I did infer was that it would be interesting to see what came out about who was trained in Libya and who they trained with under the auspises of the Gadaffi regime. There were also exchanges of training and technology between PIRA and various groups from the 1970s and through to FARC in the 1990s. During that long period the PLO were carrying out many attacks on US targets – indeed the IRA used to celebrate the links

    http://www.palestineposterproject.org/poster/plo-ira-one-struggle

    until it became unfashionable to do so.

    As for evidence of all these links I can only assume you have a version of Google that filters out any inappropriate links that might damage your world view. Try a few of these for size. There are many more but I got bored and I cant even be bothered looking up all the book references for you

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/8425593/Libyan-arms-helped-the-IRA-to-wage-war.html

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/uk-libya-ira-idUKTRE7332P220110404

    http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/WestEurope_NEXUS.pdf

    http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/IRA.htm

    http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/farc-ira-pr.cfm

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pP315Mw3S9EC&pg=PA779&lpg=PA779&dq=ira+trained+in+libya&source=bl&ots=_4bof6nA0M&sig=BVZ81uFEQUPwUWmMzZVHR-QKB08&hl=en&ei=uoZcTov2Bsmj8QO–_ilAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=ira%20trained%20in%20libya&f=false

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UIBzCC0c2McC&pg=PA904&lpg=PA904&dq=ira+trained+in+libya&source=bl&ots=AkPRoCPGDL&sig=6lsCS84mz2VQExAzzME0l_jzEtc&hl=en&ei=94ZcTqT1Ic-w8QPLs4i7Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBzgU#v=onepage&q=ira%20trained%20in%20libya&f=false

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ira

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/07/the_ira_bows_ou.php

    http://www.fathom.com/course/21701759/session1.html

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    “Isn’t this where you used to meet Gerry Adams?”

    Is this not a great slur on the status of Gerry Adams? Surely he was a Chequers’ man!

    A word of advice to all SF apologists: don’t take a lift from a Sinn Fein chauffeur :)

  • HeinzGuderian

    I watched this last night.
    The biggest load of aul tosh I have ever witnessed.
    In all fairness Pete,you complain about others Trolling on your threads………………….here’s a wee tip,( free of charge ) refrain from starting threads that are pointless,apart from Trolling !!!

  • http://myplasticarmy.blogspot.com/ fitzjameshorse1745

    I quite like the idea of a Quote of the Day based on a work of fiction. I hope it will become a regular feature. And Im sure even Gerry Adams had a wee smile on his lips on Sunday night.
    I was amused myself by “A Field of Blood” last night…..an everyday story of Journalistic folk……where one character says “Her legs are so long, youd need a pilots licence to get her knickers down”.

    Obviously as a thoroughly modern man, I strongly disapprove of such language or thought……..but thats not just a quote for the “Day”…………thats for “Everyday”.

  • Cynic2

    “A word of advice to all SF apologists: don’t take a lift from a Sinn Fein chauffeur”

    ….so just who is paying for all these chauffeurs? it seems they are not civil servants. Why not? Does any other minister have such an arrangement? If now why does Marty?

  • Mick Fealty

    Heinz,

    That YELLOW is on the verge of turning RED!

  • Cynic2

    Rory

    Have you gone away or are you still reading? Catching up on the last 30 years?

  • between the bridges

    C2, cheers for the ‘urban dictionary’ link, some gems on there made my day, still laughing…
    [edited moderator]

  • Rory Carr

    Oh no, Cynic, I haven’t gone away you know. I do have other things going on in my life but even with that I did spend some time trawling through the Google links which you posted none of which so far has turned up anything to support your contentions.

    Certainly the IRA had fraternal links with a number of liberation organisations, something that it was quite unashamed about and indeed the reading of fraternal greetings from representatives of such groups was a highlight of Sinn Féin árd fhéiseanna over the years. And good for them I say.

    I am still trying to find a link that evidences any PLO attacks on US targets as you so adamantly asserted. Perhaps you would be kind enough to direct me precisely to the source of your evidence as I am hoping to pop down to Tesco’s for something to accompany my steak this evening.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Mick,I was just giving my honest opinion,as I always do.

    Pete isn’t shy about going over the top of the ball,but I shall endeavour to be more careful with my tackling in future . ;-)

  • Into the west

    Heinz
    maybe you could quit with the wink after each comment
    To be truly funny, is a high art form of creative integrity
    you have to work alot harder at it than those who would be serious !