POTD – A simple enough message on Hemp St.
All part of our all inclusive shared future i guess
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Topic: Society and Culture
Region: Northern Ireland
Topic: Society and Culture
Region: Northern Ireland
between the bridges
I’m not sure what it is you’re accusing me of not seeing and am, for the moment at least, unclear about what it is that I appear to you to be and appear to you to be accusing others of being.
One hasn’t yet received any confirmation of others sharing in your sense of amusement but I’m sure we can expect a veritable mistral of obsequious acquiescence with your inanity in early course.
nun, better much better, non feet stamping articulate and almost clever..
now that your grey cells are working answer me one simple question.. what would you call someone who has a blinkered view of others culture, and constantly attacks that culture…?
BTB
when that culture involves quasi military marches forced through small towns to remind the nationalist population of whos in charge.
I would call that someone quite right.
cheeseneeded…what do base that on,given that there are thousands of parades any only a few contaigous one’s? it’s the same bands so what is the difference….? get it yet?… no? well what do you think the prime motive for the 30k participants in marching bands is?
people who practice twice a week, fundraising,play concert’s, march at parades/contest’s and generally give up their time for? solely to annoy the taig’s? (sure what on earth else would it be for? culture/ enjoyment/friends/family/community/history/passion/pride… never?) LMAO
so as we are only out to stick it up the otherone’s it would appear we are doing rather a poor job of it! get a bit of perspective in your views give some respect and you will received it…otherwise gurn away
burn the bridges..
“otherwise gurn away”
That kind of replicates the text in the photo? similar mindset anyways..
By saying there are only a few offensive ones is incorrect.
An serious lot of people genuinely dislike this show of domination and aggression, (comon now, be honest it is all based on taig bashing/ 1690 anyone?).
Just because people are not blocking streets and protesting these parades does not mean that they do not have a problem with it.
Rather they are confined to their house scared to protest against it because of the possible repercussions (a lot of them mindful of the past).
Although it does give something creative to a lot of young people which is good. Music in itself is a great thing. The promise of shiny new instruments and drums courtesy of McCausland must have quite an impact.
The sad fact is though, that most of these bands and marches are based on pure sectarianism and reminding the taigs of their place. Mob rule (30k you say?), does not make it right.
not just a local issue..
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/religious-bigots-deny-racism-201103283665/
cheeseneeded, the sad fact is you are deluding yourself your blind sectarianism to what you chose not to understand and your sweeping ranting statements are of a by gone era ie 1930′s any one for a flute burning..lol
Burn the Bridges
Calling me sectarian does not make me think any differently.
Bygone era.. 1690 what?
Family friendly festival huh? (but only if your a prod)
catch yoursel on..
The world has moved on but the loyalist bands are still stuck in the past. I wonder is there any relation to the poor educational achievements of protestants boys and this 30k band members you mentioned?
” I wonder is there any relation to the poor educational achievements of protestants boys and this 30k band members you mentioned ”
Not the brightest thing in the world to say …….
between the bridges
“what would you call someone who has a blinkered view of others culture, and constantly attacks that culture”
Depends what their name was. Let’s cut to the chase though; you’re insisting on defining some if not all of these bands as part of a culture. You’re entitled to do that if you wish. What you’re not entitled to do is expect for that culture the esteem of others who don’t seem to get about that culture what you take for granted about it where you appear to find great difficulty explaining what it is about them that anyone else should esteem about it. saying over and over that it is a culture doesn’t actually say a great deal and of itself doesn’t entitle you to anything. Would you respect the Millwall Bushwhackers just because they told you their way of life represented a culture ? Combat 18 ? SWP ? Islam4UK ? if not, why not ? On what grounds would you differentiate and on what basis would you deny them any of the same rights (or public money) that you claim entitlement to ?
I personally believe that there is a very great deal about these bands which is unwholesome. That view is widely shared and it’s not restricted to catholics, still less to dissidents or republican propagandists. The onus is most certainly on those who believe that it is a culture worthy of respect to persuade others that they’re wrong, that their misgivings and suspicions about that culture are baseless and that they have entirely misunderstood their intentions, their purpose, their modus operandi and have altogether miscounted on their alleged benefits to society for so long.
I am or will be very welcoming of explanations as to why I should change my mind on this, I genuinely am. I find it slightly exasperating that this has been an issue for so long within this society and yet to date I have never heard a single reasoned, convincing argument about why I should respect these people’s culture and their so-called right to do what they want where they want to as loudly as they like whenever they like and occasionally give the very strong impression of deriving some enjoyment from other people’s discomfort about them and and alienation from them. That’s behaviour unbecoming but not entirely unknown in obnoxious adolescent youths from broken homes, for grown men to celebrate it as ‘their thing’ and to be claiming some form of entitlement to recognition (and tax dollars) for it requires a much more convincing arugment than that provided so far I’m afraid.
Between the Bridges –
Of course the Orange (dis)Order is all about culture/ enjoyment/friends/family/community/history/passion/pride and I’m sure that’s why you and many others enjoy being involved. I’m sure it also gives a sense of importance with otherwise very ordinary people getting to use grand titles like Grand Dragon or Witch Conjurer Extraordinaire and the like. Maybe there is also a little bit of superiority going on, as in, those involved feel like better people, better Christians than other Protestants who are not.
But, lets just dispense with the bullshit for a minute and acknowledge the fact that marches through Nationalist areas are motivated solely by 100% undiluted, hate fuelled sectarianism. They are NOT your god given right, they are NOT along traditional routes. Marches through Nationalist areas were orchestrated by Chichester-Clarke between 1969 and 1971 to appease a Loyalist community wreaked with fear following the emergence of the IRA and to mask his own weakness of authority and character. So, now, 40 years later, is there really still a need to parade your brand of hate through Nationalist areas?
And it is hate, in its purist form, directed at Catholicism; and anyone who is Catholic is entitled to feel duly disgusted at such organisations continuing to flaunt this hate through their neighbourhoods, past their homes.
Its fine on a nice sunny day in Bushmills or Portrush, but its not welcome in the Ardoyne.
just back in from an overnight meeting with chichester-clarke current replacement.
the meeting was held in secret bunker under whitehall we have come up with a plan to get up the ardoyne.
the masons are to distract the protesters the army will fly the orange order to a pre determined place and then its am afraid run like ….. and hope the others dont get back down before the orange get through then sandwhiches back in the shankhill hopeful ladies lol will sort tea
as well as this supplying a few surface to air missiles to the rebels or are they now loyalist in libya by the british secret service was on the agenda to.
hold on a min that is happening in this crazy world someone must have remembered the pile he sent hear
please boys if you chose to engage bands men keep it in some kind of context you just can’t set the agenda any more like this potd it means nothing no more than a guy from man utd painting something about man city being crap or kerry saying they hate the black north when they play gaa
well this pic its not that it does not matter its just it does not matter anymore….
@west east
hahaha very funny
mark ta mo chara thats another pint i owe you in may!
for those you wish to define my culture….Riamh nár dhruid ó spairn lann, Agus na damnaithe fágtha gan focal Glaoigh ormsa i measc na naomh
culture as per oxford dictionary… the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively:
2 the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people
bigot [ˈbɪgət]
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
re topic
People often ask me of what race I am,
I simply answer ‘human” I suppose,
I’ve got two eyes, two ears
a mouth and a nose.
I’ve got a brain to think I’m not dead
a heart and soul that longs for what’s ahead,
I ‘ve got hair on my body
but no I’m not a chimp,
I am just a human being
or at least that’s what I think.
I’ve got two arms and legs
so I can grab and walk,
sometimes I just write words
when I don’t wanna talk.
And If you are wondering
just what color I am,
A shade of this or that
whatever color is man.
And as far as for a creed,
this is my one belief,
It’s more of a motto
“Live and let live.”
AN To be a racist is to be a bigot,
for If I remember correctly,
we were all created equal
in the eyes of God.
go figure…..
ps excuse me for offending the already offended.. i look forward to the shared future where all prods get the ferry..
Go n-ithe an cat thú is go n-ithe an diabhal an cat, Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam
Thanks Between The Bridges for avoiding the questions posed. You’re clearly more philosophically inclined than many of us have been led to believe. Perhaps you should consider the Royal Black as an outlet to express your particular cultural penchants. Would I be right in thinking they are the more morally superior and ultimately sectarian of the Orders? If I’m wrong, please excuse me, we Catholics are not well learned in the mysterious workings of the Lodge. Perhaps due in no small part to the Laugh Out Louds being predisposed to hating us as a matter of principle. But hate in the guise of culture, surely that’s better than no culture at all, would that be about right BTB?
nail, funny how you demand answers to your question’s, yet you give no reply to any questions..? anyway just this once i will indulge you, and as me wee ma always says ‘ask a stupid question get a’….prods are not well versed in the morally superior and ultimately sectarian GAA Perhaps due in no small part to the Grab All Asses being predisposed to hating us as a matter of principle. But hate in the guise of culture, surely that’s better than no culture at all, would that be about right nail?
between the bridges
So while admitting that you have no understanding of the GAA you presume to know that they’re predisposed to hating ‘you’.
You’ve been asked and challenged to defend your own self-identitifcation as a culture in order to challenge any prejudice others may have about it and address any significant understanding. You’ve noticeably failed to do so. I can’t help but wonder why.
Between the bridges,
Its Niall, not Nail. Thanks.
I can’t really be bothered replying to you to be honest. GAA used to have sectarian rules re: employees of the crown but thankfully they’ve given that up. Sad to say the same is impossible with the Lodge; hating Catholics being one of the foundational tennants of the organisation and all.
Interesting that you always atack the GAA as opposed to say Republicanism in general. Why? Is it because Republicanism is not inheritantly sectarian? Heres a list of some Protestant hating Republicans as examples: Henry Joy McCraken, Wolfe Tone, James Napper Tandy. Thomas Russell, Robert Emmet.
Oh, sorry, that should have read Protestant Republicans, not protestant hating.
Anywho, I’m tired and rambling a bit. Bye, and spell my name right in future, thanks. Love ya x
nail..i think you will find that quite a few catholic (unionist/imperialist/whataboutery added here), died in the service of their country, fact remembered by the many battle honor’s displayed by marching bands as part of their cultural heritage.
i do draw comparison to grab all association because whatever it’s faults i recognize its cultural and social standing in a part of our community. it is long past time for that part of our community to respect other cultures.
nail.. i do not draw comparison with republicans because unlike you i can actually determinate between paramilitary and culture
nunoftherothersaboutme….yet again your own words ‘You’ve been asked and challenged to defend your own self-identitifcation as a culture in order to challenge any prejudice others may have about it and address any significant understanding. You’ve noticeably failed to do so. I can’t help but wonder why’….
try practicing what ya preach old bean lmao
Thanks Between the Bridges for the clarification. Perhaps your enlightened view of the world may lead one day to your becoming the next Ronnie Bunting. I for one certainly hope so. See you in 2016 for the centenary celebrations.
nail. unlike yourself i have no need to wish a Humphrey VIII de Bohun outcome to you, and yes mate i look forward to seeing you in Flanders….
The sun’s shining down on these green fields of France;
The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
But here in this graveyard that’s still No Man’s Land
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To man’s blind indifference to his fellow man.
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.
Could you give us a bit of an insight into the lodge BTB? Like a bit of a diary. What do you do at the lodge? Is it a bit like a prayer session, like a really boring mass? In all sincerity, because I’m never going to get the chance to see for myself.