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North Belfast election shock

Sat 17 April 2010, 12:33am

News that will have surely spooked both the Dodds and Kelly camps – a new Independent candidate seems about to enter the fray in North Belfast.

Martin McAuley claims he is to join the contest. You can read his manifesto here, follow him on twitter or Facebook.

Yes, the poster does say ‘Tough on crime. Tougher on women drivers’

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  1. Keithbelfast (profile) says:

    Good luck, but the sheer scale of the task in front of him is becoming evident.

    From Facebook: “yeoo martin im confused!!! ryt c when it cumes to the voting… is ur name gona b on the sheet so i no wot to do.. cuz ive never voted b4… and wots ur party called?”

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  2. Border Fox says:

    Have to say I like his other election poster…

    Chairman LMAO !

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  3. Know this young man. He’s one for the future.

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  4. Procrasnow (profile) says:

    Well why not, young blood, get rid of the old rot.

    Can’t be any worse than the present

    Give him a go.

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  5. miss says:

    pretty much everyone who is voting for him has never even registered to to vote before. pretty sure that says something about young people in our community.

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  6. Seosamh913 (profile) says:

    An obligatory reference in these circumstances, I know, but still….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qdhbkTko4

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  7. pippakin (profile) says:

    I like the idea of new people, new ideas. It appears his support is young. I wish him luck. Hes gunna need it.

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  8. cut the bull (profile) says:

    He sounds like an alliance party dissident.

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  9. cut the bull (profile) says:

    he could call his party the Balliance Party.The middle ground party with cahonies

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  10. Stephen Blacker (profile) says:

    North Belfast could do worse! Fresh new blood, maybe it’s just what politics needs!

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  11. David 'Horny' Ford says:

    Diane Dodds or Catriona Ruane?

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  12. pippakin (profile) says:

    8#

    Care to enlarge on ‘word’.

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  13. Michael McQuillan says:

    i like his approach, some great ideas in the manifesto, but also finally a politician with a sense of humour. just what we need to shake things up!

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  14. oneill (profile) says:

    “I will attend at least 70% of votes within the Commons if elected to make sure North Belfast’s voice is heard in Westminster.”

    Good lad.

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  15. Pete Baker says:

    Heh.

    *Shakes head and walks away*

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  16. It was Sammy McNally what done it says:

    Inane shite. Inane shite. Inane shite. Talking out of my arse. Bollocks. Bollocks. Bollocks. Inane shite.

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  17. iluvni (profile) says:

    12.“I will attend at least 70% of votes within the Commons if elected to make sure North Belfast’s voice is heard in Westminster.”

    That would put the current double jobbing greedy troughers to shame.

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  18. pippakin (profile) says:

    Is there something wrong with this thread? I have several emails supposedly from this page and certainly leading to this page, but the obscene comments are not on this page…

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  19. Keithbelfast (profile) says:

    moderation.

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  20. The Raven (profile) says:

    One of the office crew was talking about some Radio 1 thing today…an election piece they do for the young’uns… Obviously I am no longer demographic for Radio 1 at 35.

    Something about 70% of the kids they were working with/polling wouldn’t be voting.

    First time voter turn out at the last election was something like 37%.

    There’s SUCH an opportunity for change here, and everyone seems scared to grasp it. Me included.

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  21. pippakin (profile) says:

    Keithbelfast

    Yes I get that, Im just surprised the emails are getting through, that doesnt usually happen.

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  22. test says:

    test

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  23. Mark McGregor (profile) says:

    pippakin,

    Apologies. Working on the problem. We are aware of who it is and it is very typical behaviour from him across numerous websites and many years.

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  24. richiep (profile) says:

    If there’s such a huge number of first time and previously non voters in this constituency , why don’t they go to the bookies tomorrow, back him to win and then make sure they vote and get as many others as possible to do so as well. Worked famously in local elections in Cork 20 years ago.

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  25. pippakin (profile) says:

    Mark McGregor

    Not a problem, just unusual.

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  26. LabourNIman (profile) says:

    well, he’s got my vote. seriously!

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  27. i ran away. couldn't handle it. says:

    aye McGregor, away and drool over eirigi

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  28. old school (profile) says:

    Who’ll suffer most from this?
    (A round about way of asking does he play rugby or hurling?)

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  29. Drumlins rock says:

    NO BODY ANSWER OLD SCHOOLS QUESTION!!

    spoils the fun of it lol

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  30. Moochin Photoman (profile) says:

    (A round about way of asking does he play rugby or hurling?)

    Posted by old school on Apr 16, 2010 @ 10:35 PM

    Why is that or should that be important old school?

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  31. Michael McQuillan says:

    martin does not play sports, the only thing he’s competing for is your vote =)

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  32. Patrick says:

    *disclaimer before anyone points fingers, I’m helping Martin in his campaign*

    I always thought fairness and transparency in Parliament, decent policies and a desire to co-operate with everyone instead of running back to sectarian hurdles would appeal to both sides of the community. Maybe I’m just naive.

    and @miss, are you lamenting the fact that young people are registering to vote and getting involved with politics or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

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  33. old school (profile) says:

    To see who’s vote will be split, Moochin. If any.

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  34. PrivateBob (profile) says:

    ..should there not be [/sarcasm] tags around this article?

    I’m a young voter, this is my first Westminster election and I am looking forward to voting but if I was registered for North Belfast, this guy wouldn’t get my vote.

    I’ve nothing against independents and the idea of a young candidate is heartening, but there’s just too much wrong in his manifesto for me to be able to take him seriously.

    ‘There are more important issues at this local election than whether nationalism or unionism are the way forward’ This isn’t a local election, it’s a national one.

    ‘In the most recent general election only 37% of registered 18-25 year olds voted UK wide, while in Belfast North only 58.1% of the electorate voted in the election.’ You can’t compare like with unlike..what was the percentage of 18-25 year old who voted in North Belfast?

    ‘In an effort to increase efficiency I will support the removal of certain quangos.’ Such as..?

    I agree with a lot of what he is saying, but the vagueness of his policies, coupled with questionable grammar and syntax puts me right off.

    This isn’t meant to be too critical or harsh, but it’s in the spirit of debate. I’ve been through the Northern Ireland Inter-Schools debating championship too so I’m fairly sure Martin McAuley will enjoy these criticisms!

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  35. old school (profile) says:

    Considering the recent cataclysmic volcanic eruption in Iceland, the grounding of air travel, and the fear of an apopalyptic wipe out of human existance in Northern Europe if Volcano Katna explodes, does Martin think the annual Orange parade in Ardoyne should go ahead or be suspended pending?

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  36. Okay, I’m going to step into the fray here for a moment.

    PrivateBob seems to have my character pinned, I can’t resist responding to those comments.

    Firstly, my mention of this being a local election wasn’t a comparison of a general election to an assembly election. It was an allusion to the fact that the battleground for this one must be local issues. It can’t be forced into the same constitutional debate that we have every 5 years in North Belfast. I assure you, I’m quite aware of the differences between national and local elections.

    Secondly, I’m not comparing like with unlike in the statistics. You made the comparison in your own mind, I merely suggested the facts of the matter. Nationally 37% of 18-25 year olds vote. An abysmal statistic. We need to spur the younger voter into action (and I have a number of initiatives planned for the campaign). To focus on North Belfast itself, there was a turnout of 58.1%. Not far over half of the constituency. As a whole, there’s a general apathy in the community. Again I wasn’t intentionally making a direct comparison there, merely stating the facts.

    Okay as for quangos, I’m talking about a few things. Firstly the justice department needs to make itself efficient from the start. A large sum of money has been invested from Westminster, it shouldn’t be wasted. In the absence of the ministry we’ve seen the creation of district policing partnerships, policing boards, community watch groups. There is far too much overlap, it needs to be trimmed into a more flexible service.
    Equally there are inefficiencies in the housing executive for example, not creating a joined up approach but instead acting as a “middle man” signposting people in a different direction every week.
    There’s also big communication problems interdepartmentally that can fit into this area. (Ask any senior civil servant)

    The manifesto (and mini-festo) are deliberately short. We were trying to create documents that the electorate can engage with, can question me about. Rather than a 103 page doorstop.

    In addition I’ve already challenged the other candidates in North Belfast to a public debate. I hope at that type of event I can elaborate on the policies mentioned in the campaign literature.

    (And don’t worry, I understand the spirit of debate)

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  37. old school (profile) says:

    Have you ever financed a small business with a ginger haired bloke from Castlereagh whilst maintaining a sexual relationship?

    Sorry for the prodding (can I say “prodding”), but in the rough and tumble world of politics, you’re gonna get a lot of these type of questions.

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  38. soandso says:

    You have his name, you can Google him to find out the details fo if he’s a hurling or rugby fellow. But I think it’s good to see someone without grey hairs involved in an elecion and both North and South Belfast have canidates who really grew up with ceasefires and relative peace.

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  39. pippakin (profile) says:

    soandso

    I so agree with you!

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  40. Comrade Stalin (profile) says:

    he could call his party the Balliance Party.

    I love it. Add one letter B and we’ve got balls.

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  41. Comrade Stalin (profile) says:

    In the absence of the ministry we’ve seen the creation of district policing partnerships, policing boards, community watch groups. There is far too much overlap, it needs to be trimmed into a more flexible service.

    Martin, I’m not sure where you’re aiming your pair of scissors. There is one Police Board and a series of DPPs. The DPP meetings I’ve been at have been well attended. They are mainly used as a forum to bring complaints to the police, but that in no way diminishes their usefulness. My experience is that they are effective in focussing police attention on a problem, and that can be achieved by just one resident. I definitely don’t think they should be curtailed or cut.

    What we do need to do is talk about how the policing service can be best resourced. This is something that has been talked about within Alliance, especially as part of our focus on the role of the justice minister. It’s a great soundbite to have people saying that we need to recruit more police and so on, but one police officer who is well equipped and trained is going to be far more effective than two police officers who are not. This is something that I think Matt Baggott has a handle on, hence his talk about the police car becoming the police station; all the technology exists to make this possible, so there is no reason why the police can’t do it.

    It’s not policing where I’d aim the cuts. The problems here are in the duplication of public services. Especially in housing and education. We’ve got two of everything, one for prods and one for taigs. Time to stop that.

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  42. al (profile) says:

    This is exactly what we need, young blood in politics not the old politicians who clearly still align themselves with one side or the other. I’m at the age were I remember the last of the bombs and the change to relative peace. The politics of N Ireland need a major shake up and some proper non-tribal politics introduced. Young independents like Mr McAuley are right to enter the debate and show the older generation that we understand politics as it should be.

    Of course people will say “oh he didn’t live through this he doesn’t understand the hurt etc etc”. Maybe not but hearing stories from our elders and reading about the past is an excellent advantage for the new breed of politicians in N Ireland. Their minds are not corrupted. Too many politicians in N Ireland have inbeded memories of the past holding them back. The sooner the old men and women of Stormont give politics to the younger generation the better.

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  43. Fair play to you for putting your ahead above the parapet. With it firmly exposed, let me aim a few questions at it:

    Your economic policies seem to be about cutting ‘bureaucracy’ and little else. Lots of people in Northern Ireland work in or are dependent upon the public sector, so where would you wield the knife? People will be looking to know a bit more detail.

    What is the significance of the 70% figure with regards to Westminster attendance? What if a lot of the debates are not relevant to your constituents and your time would be better served on the ground in North Belfast?

    What are your policies on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Identity Cards and on the renewal of the Trident missile system? Surely these are a bigger waste of money than Ministry of Justice paperclips?

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  44. James McVeigh says:

    Well said McQuillan. Having known Martin for years, a nationalist/unionist position is quite unknowable with him. He just seems to be rational. Imagine that, a politician who wants to do good for the people of North Belfast instead of scoring petty points in parading.

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  45. PrivateBob (profile) says:

    That was a good response Martin, but I think the point by 1967 is relevant too. Cutting bureaucracy means cutting jobs. It’s also a big leap from ‘Department x needs to be more efficient’ which anyone could say to ‘we will make efficiency savings in department x by cutting Y, streamlining Z and promoting policy A.’

    While it’s true that ‘all politics is local politics’ your views on national issues such as Trident, taxation, defence spending and foreign relations would be useful for the electorate.

    I have to agree with al in that new blood is good for politics, but I don’t think ignorance of history is beneficial for anyone in public life. It is only from looking as impartially as we can at the past that we can avoid making the same mistakes twice.

    Nonetheless, fair play and good luck to you for opening yourself to questions in the comments on Slugger, it is certainly an example that should be replicated by others!

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  46. Scaramoosh (profile) says:

    The Nick Clegg of Ulster politics.

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  47. Rory Carr (profile) says:

    I hardly think that making savings by constantly sharpening his pencil and writing on both sides of House of Commons notepaper, which is all that McAuley, in the unlikeliehood of his being elected, would actually be able to effect, will be sufficient to make much of a dent on the National Debt.

    Still, bless him, his little heart’s in the right place. I’m sure his mammy will vote for him.

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  48. Well at least Martin has achieved something already. A thread on Slugger that is actually discussing points made in the original post, and sticking to the thread.

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  49. pippakin (profile) says:

    I wish I was in his constituency. He would have my vote.

    In fact I think he may be a bit ahead of the time, but it is so refreshing to see an attempt to break the barrier, and it is if nothing else a clear sign the peace is working and change will come.

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  50. Pete Baker (profile) says:

    Martin

    “In the absence of the ministry we’ve seen the creation of district policing partnerships, policing boards, community watch groups. There is far too much overlap, it needs to be trimmed into a more flexible service.”

    As you probably know, there are already proposals under consultation to do just that.

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