Tribune sex abuse articles now online
EXCLUSIVE – Gerry Adams ignored two more rape victims
‘Adams was told about what X had done to me’
Grand-niece of Provo legend endured horrific sexual abuse
SF must address abuse if it wants credibility
Gerry Adams reveals his brother was party treasurer
Liam Adams was never ‘dumped’ from Sinn Féin
Note – we are aware that many suspect they know the names of those affected or accused but I am sure Mick would appreciate if they are not published on his site. Thanks.
Granni trixie,
I think you should go back to school and learn how to spell and how to use proper grammar!!
“Hi Blair (I hope you are not THAT Blair)
With respect, how do you know that she was ut under pressure to retract the story, and why do you assume people from Sinn Féin did it? Maybe her family did it, if she was put under pressure.”
Raymond,
I am the Blair. Who are you?
I would suggest that the Sinners have form. When they tell people to shut up they generally do so very quickly. Hence McCartney, Quinn etc.
The woman involved was keen to publicise her story and include her photo. Suddenly that stopped. That has Provo intimidation stamped all over it.
The name of the accused Sinner is apparently out there in the blogosphere.
Disgustedin Derry: I would die v. happy if all that I did wrong in life was to mispell or not use gramatically correct sentences.
Hi Blair
I meant I hope you are not TONY Blair…
Raymond,
That is spelled Bliar.
Blair Witch Project, more like.
DisgustedInDERRY, I am in Derry too by the way, and I am also disgusted. I suspect thats where we stop having much in common.
Disgusted doesn’t do it justice – it makes me feel sick to the core.
Will this Island ever feel clean? (Just add the freedom fighters to the ever growing list….)
I was kind of enjoying the whole Robinson debacle – scadenfreude I admit, but this story is perhaps the most depressing and soul sickening. Tonight I am truly sad.
Ive been furious, shocked and sickened and I hope if the accusations are proved the victims will get the justice they need.
It occurs to me that many good S/F men were in prison during this period, not just the alleged victims father but many others. It would have left the dregs to roam the streets.
OscarTheGrouch,
I’m Disgusted at the state of this failed political entity and the treatment of our city, so what makes you sick to the core, maybe its the crap in your dustbin?
I mean only banter by the way!
No its the crap in our political parties and religous authorities, North and South.
Sorry I don’t feel in the mood for banter tonight, degraded child sex and physical abuse takes the edge of my humour.
Just like to say that the Ardoyne victim’s family don’t want politics clouding the whole issue here or elsewhere…..
The victim needs justice and prefers to see the alleged abuser in Court, where she belongs to face her peers….
The victim and her family also want the alleged abuser publically stood down from S/F and her never again to use Irish Republicanism as a protection shield to hide this type of abuse. As it only dishonours and disgraces the whole idealogy and the memory and legacy of their father!
Surely if this story is true then the people this woman represents should be made aware of the allegations against her.
Commenting this morning on the report on clerical sexual abuse of children in the Dublin Diocese Sinn Féin Vice President Mary Lou McDonald said anyone found to have covered up the abuse of children should be arrested and face the full rigours of the law.
Sorry forgot the link…
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/17819
Ian Bull: Women’s Aid has worked hard at the frontline of this mess and it is coming from a place of ignorance to say otherwise. The truth is that funding for 12 yr long wankfest of benign talks between blokes in Armani suits has taken precedence to the welfare of victims.
So painful, the post war era; but why the shock horror when everybody knows the moral infrastructure of our society is broken? Broken across the board that is. That reported cases of the beating & rape of girls and women, surged by 300% in the first two years following the implementation of the pacification process, should be an indicator of the amounts of masculine inadequacy involved.
According to the Bel Tel SF say she has been stood down. It doesn’t say much for her performance as a representative that they had to point this out.
Her departure date will be a matter of record, but I suspect she is still a serving councillor. Certainly her page on the SF website has now been removed, but it was up there yesterday morning. Worth noting that Killian Forde’s page came down immediately on departure.
A bit like Jim Fitz’s question to Arlene Foster yesterday, the timing of these decisions are crucial to understanding why they were made.
Is there a statement yet from SF? What does the telegraph say?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/sinn-fein-threatens-to-sue-over-sunday-newspaper-claim-14639153.html
BBC have woke up:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8464945.stm
I hope if the accusations are proved the victims will get the justice they need.
Pippikin,
I agree. But nowhere in the stories do I see that the women have reported their allegations to the PSNI.
If they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.
f they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.
Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 03:14 PM
totally agree joe the sinn fein councilor has quite rihtly being suspended.do you now think GA should resign yes or no.???
Paul,
This is getting really tiring. None of these stories are about ME.
I explained my position fully a few days ago.
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f they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.
Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 03:14 PM
totally agree joe the sinn fein councilor has quite rihtly being suspended.do you now think GA should resign yes or no.???
Posted by Paul on Jan 18, 2010 @ 04:20 PM
Have you got out of your cell up at knockmore and got access to a computer.
joeCanuck
I think the police were informed by Aine back in the eighties, she chose not to pursue the case and the claims, though kept, were never produced as charges.
The claims by the ladies I think have been in, at least one, case presented to the police, and that case is now with the apparently very slow PPS (public prosecution service.
If GA cannot extricate himself completely, by showing he did not facilitate the escape of child abusers, then I see no other option for him. At the moment the mud slinging is in danger of covering the whole of S/F. If he cares about the party he will care about that.
Thanks. Pippakin
Someone else gave me a link on another thread.
At the moment the mud slinging is in danger of covering the whole of S/F. If he cares about the party he will care about that.
Posted by pippakin on Jan 18, 2010 @ 05:15 PM
Well we have been here before Pip its only that Unionists have very short memories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home#cite_note-0
Allegations were later made that the Royal Ulster Constabulary had been informed of the abuse at the home for years previously, but had not moved to prevent it. In his 1999 book The Dirty War, Martin Dillon claims that McGrath may have been employed by MI5 since the 1960s.[1] The tabloid press then linked the home with a whole series of establishment figures without any evidence being provided.
tacapall
I know about Kincora, a shameful affair, that could do with being looked at again. I tried to get through on your link but for some reason Wiki no longer have it.
The churches (note the ‘s’) hard far too much power, my little blog expands a little on this in item Ten.
I think the world has moved on since then, most people could only sit and fume before, now sites like this extend and maintain the chase, thank goodness they do.
I know about Kincora, a shameful affair, that could do with being looked at again. I tried to get through on your link but for some reason Wiki no longer have it.
Posted by pippakin on Jan 18, 2010 @ 05:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_boys_home
Basically Pip the RUC knew about that for years as well but let it go on for blackmail purposes.
Pippikin,
Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home
Tacapall, Sorry, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home
Still doesn’t wok If you go to either of the last 2 links, go down a bit and search for other stories and then go to the first story.
Yeah hit the link then follow –
Search for “Kincora boys home”
joeCanuck
Kincora Boys Home
Found it!
And it just goes to prove that we do indeed need to look at all these cases, regardless of religion or political affiliation.
Tacapall
Not to lose sight of the object here, but there should be full and open investigations into all these institutions and any, and I do mean any, found to be abusing or complicit in the abuse of children should be exposed for the perverts they are and sent to prison.
Pip has it not dawned on you the common link between most of the allegations today and mentioned in the link above – (Security services) It was not acted upon simply because it was like “currency” people could be bought with it.
tacapall
Do you seriously believe it has not?
I hope what does come across is my determination not to allow anyone to get away with it.
Sure, theres no rush, these cases appear historic, but S/F activist, RUC police, priest, reverend, or care worker, they should be exposed, tried and sentenced.
In fact I think Im flattered I have not taken sides, and it shows, evidently to the point of disbelief!
After the report on the abuse in Dublin, the Justice Minister in the Republic said that, no matter what their age, those involved would be vigorously pursued and brought to the Court. They know their names.
Has anyone heard of charges being laid? No? Thought so.
“It was not acted upon simply because it was like “currency” people could be bought with it.”
Very true, Tac. And you might also ponder why did the leadership of the Shinners leave their members in place when they were vulnerable to compromise by the Security Service via their sexual perversions?
Was it because they’re rather stupid and didn’t know that has been a prime method of recruiting informers since time began or was it because their handlers in the Security Service were calling the shots?
It’s either one or the other.
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After the report on the abuse in Dublin, the Justice Minister in the Republic said that, no matter what their age, those involved would be vigorously pursued and brought to the Court. They know their names.
Has anyone heard of charges being laid? No? Thought so.
Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 07:07 PM
Of course you’re right JoeC, but just being exposed “here” is enough to make you want to take a long holiday.
“Has anyone heard of charges being laid?”
Perhaps that could have been phrased better.
joeCanuck
I know, and to the best of my knowledge they have not, but then it could be argued that all investigations here have been as the result of outside pressure, and were if anything, delayed by government. It will need, and will I am sure, eventually get investigations into every parish before we know the full story here.
It will need the same agitation in the north and that is happening here and now, clearly starting with S/F.
I hope I have not changed the subject too much, I have not forgotten what this is about.
Good one, Jimmy.
Very true, Tac. And you might also ponder why did the leadership of the Shinners leave their members in place when they were vulnerable to compromise by the Security Service via their sexual perversions?
Posted by Alias on Jan 18, 2010 @ 07:13 PM
Because it seems the very people that were positioned to counter british intelligence were the ones promoting it.
Jimmy-Sands Alias
Nice!