“the result of the match cannot be changed and the match cannot be replayed”
RTÉ reports FIFA’s official response to the FAI request to replay their World Cup play-off match against France. From the RTÉ report.
FIFA said in a statement: ‘FIFA has today 20 November 2009 replied to the request made by the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) to replay the 2010 FIFA World Cup play-off match held on 18 November 2009 between France and the Republic of Ireland in Paris. ‘In the reply, FIFA states that the result of the match cannot be changed and the match cannot be replayed. As is clearly mentioned in the Laws of the Game, during matches, decisions are taken by the referee and these decisions are final.’
Adds The BBC report the statement by the French Football Federation [FFF]
“The FFF understands the disappointment and bitterness of the Irish players, management and supporters,” read a statement. “The federation never sought to deny the refereeing error which saw the equalising French goal allowed. “At the end of the match and because French football itself has suffered in the past by events of a similar nature, the FFF management expressed their regrets and sympathy to their Irish counterparts. “During matches, decisions are taken by the referee and these decisions are final. As a result, the result of the match cannot be changed and the match cannot be replayed. “The Fifa decision is binding and applies to both federations.”
Unless the FFF ask for it to be replayed.
‘Unless the FFF ask for it to be replayed.’
Oh Dear, It’s about time you were told. Should I start with Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Sandman first.
In view of the comments by Thierry Henry, conceding that a replay would be the “fairest solution”, a clever move now by the Football Association of Ireland would be to open up some quiet channels with the World Cup’s host country government in South Africa. Approaches to FIFA and the French are unlikely to yield results in the absence of the kind of moral pressure that the South Africans could bring to bear.
someone should tell FIFA:
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/germany2006/news/newsid=27212.html
Peter,
You can put this down to me becoming more cynical in my dotage…
Thierry Henry knows he can say that safely in the knowledge it wont be acted upon. He also realises he’s in serious trouble reputation wise. He went from being one of the most respected sportsmen in football to being a disgrace.
I know sponsors have come out to back him, but I suspect this is a bit like a manager receiving the full confidence of the board.
South Africa have no say I’m afraid.
I hope France do an England in the Euro 88.
I know smcgiff.I know.
I personally would not like to see a replay.It’s a Pandora box,just pointing out the facts
Guest,
And I don’t know whether to laugh or cry! Going with laugh for now…
can I cry then?
Although the french seem to be putting pressure on themselves.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2009/11/20/01002-20091120ARTFIG00619-ces-politiques-qui-veulent-rejouer-france-irlande-.php
It’s well worth a legal challenge in the hope that it prompts video replays for goals, given the commercial interests now associated with the game and the real need for propriety by using technology to ensure that it is adhered to.
Pete Baker
Was there not a space shuttle docking with a space station tonight?
3.In view of the comments by Thierry Henry, conceding that a replay would be the “fairest solution”, a clever move now by the Football Association of Ireland would be to open up some quiet channels with the World Cup’s host country government in South Africa. Approaches to FIFA and the French are unlikely to yield results in the absence of the kind of moral pressure that the South Africans could bring to bear.
Posted by Peter Doran on Nov 20, 2009 @ 06:17 PM
This is the best one yet. lol!
More Green Party nonsense…
Professional Football is totally corrupt and is a modern day reincarnation of the Roman Theatre with many Colisseums dotted around the World’s Cities where the modern day Gladiators are highly overpaid and in most cases ill educated hooligans; There is no Corinthian Spirit of fair play or tolerance shown to the Officials.
Adds The BBC report the statement by the French Football Federation [FFF]
If an Irish wolfhound was to lose out in the final of Crufts to an English sheepdog we would have the same cry baby wailing and yapping. At least the world now knows how NI unionists have suffered for ages having these Southern whinging muppets for neighbours.
I suppose in their defence never having won anything, ‘glorious’ defeats make for good maudlin drinking ballads.
Thank goodness the English, Welsh and Scots are civilised like ourselves:;
Driftwood
I suppose in their defence never having won anything, ‘glorious’ defeats make for good maudlin drinking ballads.
Who won this years six nations then?
ell that’s it then the ref’s the patsy.
i’m not sure that FIFA have considered their reputation here. We have been barraged with the ‘fair play’ theme for donkey’s years. We then have a situation whereby outside regulation time a player blatantly does not adhere to the fair play theme.
I know this has been the cry in Scotland for years but the so called ‘big’ nations in football seem to be allowed to do what they will.
Well at least when FIFA wheel out more of the fair play shite we can marvel at the arseholery.
Talking of arseholery, haven’t these six county team boys got any class? I remember when their dream died the other month that there was not a gloat at all(or any that I viewed), yet over several threads now they have been letting their class show.
For shame boys!
In golf, it’s known as “the rub of the green”.
In other words, shit happens.
Get over it boys.
joeCanuck, in golf they don’t manipulate the rules of the Open championship or the Ryder cup in the middle of it so that the big celebrity golfers will all do well.
prionsa eoghann
“Talking of arseholery, haven’t these six county team boys got any class? I remember when their dream died the other month that there was not a gloat at all(or any that I viewed), yet over several threads now they have been letting their class show.”
Unbelievable, what a brass neck, apart from the poster Frank you where the main gloater on that thread after the Slovakia match.
In fact you where so overjoyed that NI where out that you forgot your native Scotland (33 county northern britanicos) had just been embarrassed for the umpteeth time. I said at the time, reserve your gloating until after the ROI had secured their qualification,but you just couldn´t help it. Arseholery, indeed.
Class? Im surprised you can spell it.
Doctor
>>apart from the poster Frank you where the main gloater on that thread after the Slovakia match.<<
Utter bullshit! I remember it well I commented that I was surprised at the over confidence on what was to coin a phrase “a big ask” and the subsequent vehemence surprised me on defeat, at no time did I “gloat” or witness anyone else. I find your accusation offensive as I suspect it is merely intended to hide the total lack of class from you and your fellow GAWA klan over a blatant issue of cheating!
Indeed the issue is far, far gigger than your small generational parochialism.
Joecanuk
I have seen your comments over several threads. I am intruiged are you not ‘into’ sports in general, more a casual observer? As this is really a big issue, indeed Ireland getting cheated is to me a lesser issue than the whole position of FIFA.
honestly… this fair play thing is complete and utter shite. fifa is a money making machine… nothing more, nothing less. the spirit of international football comes from the supporters of national teams and their common passions (football and nation) not the beaurocracy that manages it.
henry lifting his hand during extra time while on the goal line during a live/die world cup qualifying match is pure human instict… just like a defender bumping a striker and pulling at his top (both of which are ‘cheating’ by the word of the rules). yes yes…. cheatin’ bastard, but no different than anyone else on the pitch (boys in green included)
what the fai should be protesting and bringing to light is the fact that fifa changed the rules during the competition. when fifa saw that italy, russia, portugal, and france were in jeopardy of not qualifying, and therefore ‘costing fifa and those FAs’ tons of cash, they moved the fucking goal posts.
that is the travesty of the situation. don’t get me wrong, i’ll be cheering against france in the cup, but in the jovial spirit that should define these competitions and not for any hatred of the french.
Put the handbags down guys.
And keep to the actual topic.
Oh, and Eoghann, stop trolling.
Waste of time, my response has been deleted. I’m sure some crappy reason will be used.
Guess that means it is true I am a liar and troll.
Fair play!
this decision has been made and wont be changed. the main culprits are fifa for changing the rules for playoffs. thierry henry did what most players would do if in same situation. he has to live with that. the ref had a good game up to that point. the irish polititions are an embarrasment. the unionist/loyalists on here laughing because its anything irish they despise. nothing to do with football. roy keane is a dickhead. the story has been done to death and although i am personally gutted, its time to draw a line under this crap. it leaves a sour taste for sure but i hope it makes the players more determined for the european campaign.
Paddyjoe -
Good post. With the French statement this is pretty much over. There’s work to do for FIFA if they’d like to restore footballs tarnished image in Ireland, could be as simple as commiting to some measures to prevent reoccurance and committing to refraining from rule changes mid-competition ever again.
“the unionist/loyalists on here laughing because its anything irish they despise. nothing to do with football”
bollocks. The laughing is directed at the FAI because of the way they have tried to shaft us by poaching young players like Gibson from our small pool, and at the gloryhunters from Northern Ireland who who decide for whatever reason to support the FAI’s team. I think the majority of NI fans have utmost sympathy for the decent fans from the Republic of Ireland who had such a kick in the balls the other night.
i dont recall ireland winning any competitions. so maybe in your infinite wisdom you can tell me how gloryhunting comes into it.
Hang on, the three bells have just rang…
***Newsflash***
Dustin the Turkey will be out for tomorrow’s march.
Ends
FFFucked now.
I’m glad someone brought up the Uzbekistan-Bahrain qualifier from the last WC. Kind of contradicts the whole ‘a reply is impossible’ idea.
You know if this goes on much longer there is a danger that our country may start to acquire a reputation for maudlin self-pity.
Jordan
The FIFA rules allow that if there is a technical decision during a match that is wrong, which influences the outcome then they can ask for the match to be replayed.
In that particular match the referee gave an indirect free kick when he should have given a penalty. In Wednesday´s match the ref didnt see an infringement. He didn´t have the benefit of watching the slow motion that many folk watched and now condemn one of the greatest footballers of all time for. Watch it in real time, it is hand ball and it is an instinctive reaction.
The match won´t be replayed, Henry´s reputation is intact, he won´t be abused anywhere as long as he doesn´t pub crawl in Dublin.
Get over it and move on.
The rest of the world don’t share the “we hate the Irish” attitude that seems to define many of the posters on this thread. Henry is trying to salvage his reputation because of the international reaction, not because he’s planning a pub crawl in Dublin any time soon.
The goal was allowed despite four rule infringements in the seconds leading up to it.
“Technically”, it shouldn’t have been.
Perhaps if the rules of the game were translated into Ulster Scots, it might be a bit clearer for you.
Ireland is danger of getting a reputation for whinging, Sure we were at the wrong end of foul play but it is time to get on with life. Trap is gradually building a strong team so lets not get drawn into destructive self pitying. We will end up with a reputations like the whinging poms.
“At least the world now knows how NI unionists have suffered for ages having these Southern whinging muppets for neighbours. (from mr dritwood)”
Without doubt the most unintentionally funny piece I have seen on slugger in a long time, that is hilarious no matter what way you look at it. A northern unionist lecturing the south on how to behave, ha ha you can’t make it up. you should be on stage with that wit and repartee! Sort your own six county statelet out first matey.
Look, can we please end all this now. Ireland has not qualified for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa (to the great delight of the British of NI it appears).
Anyway what goes around, comes around!
And as NI fans have shown here many a time, I’m sure folk will show the same empathy and understanding for the NI team should it happen to them in future.
Anyway our good neighbours England went on about the ‘Hand of God’ for twenty odd years. Irish fans should be allowed at least a couple of weeks.
Erin go bragh!
greagoir
Again you blame NI for ROI not qualifying, you really have let yourself down over the last few days. I have total empathy for all true ROI fans, the anti NI brigade that troll on this froum I have no time for.
observer
Too many people without an iota of idea about football have commented on this issue over the last few days, you are just the latest.
“The rest of the world don’t share the “we hate the Irish” attitude that seems to define many of the posters on this thread.”
I am Irish and my opinion seems to be shared by many Irish of the ROI variety who have actually played the game. The rest of the world does not give a monkeys pink arse about it, get over yourself man.
Yes the goal was given despite infingements, just like it happens in 100 matches every week. The Bahrain incident occurred when a ref. spotted an infringement, gave a decision but the award he gave was not the correct one. Grasp it man. I suppose you must think that the match will not be replayed because of some conspiracy against the Irish people. Again get over yourself.
Observer, maybe you should learn to be more observant.
Anyway Doctor, this whole fiasco has hilighted the rudimentary qualities of the game of soccer, an over hyped sport, compared to other sports like Rugby Union (or even American Football, or Cricket) that require greater tactics, gameplan, skill, etc…..not forgetting the rudimentary folk that soccer attracts worldwide… ie the soccer hooliganism.
22 men running about a field trying to put an inflated piece of leather in a net…it doesn’t really need much grey matter to understand that.
…and include gaelic football too with it!
Also, just only a few weeks ago in the English Premiereship the goal scored by a beachball for Sunderland against Liverpool and which stood just shows soccers inadequacies.
greagoir
I agree with you to a certain degree, part of the football lover in me has died over the last couple of days.
As I said as someone who spends thousands of euros that I can ill aford travelling to watch NI I can empathise with my ROI counterparts. There is something wrong in football.
Someone said in another thread that it was the collesium style stadiums with fans begging for blood. I disagree with that, like football hooliganism the trouble is now outside the grounds. People have an emotional attachment to their televisions, if they see something they don´t like it spills over on to the internet.
Over the last few weeks I have been amazed and pretty disgusted at the shocking hatred shown towards the two Irish teenagers known as Jedward. Now I have only seen their pics, I have not seen them perform, but the level of hatred shown toward these two TEENAGERS has been nothing short of a crime. Being cock sure like most teenage boys, thinking you have talent (I thought I was ther next John Lennon at 18) and trying to get your face on TV all seem pretty normal, yet these are in fact the crimes people have condemned these teo young fellas for. There has also been an air of casual anti Irish feeling in the on-line hatred coming from the great British public, but mainly it´s the sinister aggresion shown towards these two boys that I object to.
It is similar to what happened the other night in Paris. A 32 year old Professional footballer who has often been heralded as the model professional, was seen to handle the ball. He did not do a Maradonna but he did give his team an unfair advantage.
To me, as someone who has played the game, it was a straight case of furthering the video evidence debate. To those in the stadium I thought yes they must be gutted, but then the on-line onslaught began.
The internet has given “people their say”. “Fucking Cheating Bastard”, “Dirty French C***”,”Cheating Bastard”, “Aragones Was Right About This Bastard”. Just some of the sentiments I have taken from a facebook anti Henry thread. Somewhat ironically some these posters have questioned the suitability of Henry as a role model.
Again I sense xenophobia, many English players have done a lot worse than what Henry did, but cheat isn´t a word we associate with the English despite the fact you could fill a DVD full of Steven Gerards dives and uppercuts.
So the online “preservers of moral codes” demand a replay, as if it is there right. Arrange marches, start up petitions, hate campaigns etc. What power the internet has, if only it could be used to try and change something worth while. The continual exploitation of workers in sout east Asia by western commercial companies perhaps?
It is the greedy football authorities who are also at fault here. The money in TV revenue, has overtaken the needs of the supporters. The noise of stadium is there for TV benefit, to highlight the gladiator style presentation being beamed into homes on digital widescreen high definition. The fan at the stadium has become a prop.
Henry was condemned by the high definition slow motion of television, despite the experts sympathising with him and stating he didn´t “cheat”, this wasn´t good enough for TV networks clamouring to the facebook generation.
Yes, part of my love of football has died, not because of Thierry Henry (one of the best footballers of all time), no, because it is the TV networks who have created a new monster, that has done it for me. They value the ignorant couch potatoe beer sweller, perched in front of his wide screen with his remote control, he is in his directors box and will be treated as such. If he says Henry should die, then Henry will die. His are the only thumbs that count.
Driftwood said
“(15.)If an Irish wolfhound was to lose out in the final of Crufts to an English sheepdog we would have the same cry baby wailing and yapping. At least the world now knows how NI unionists have suffered for ages having these Southern whinging muppets for neighbours.
I suppose in their defence never having won anything, ‘glorious’ defeats make for good maudlin drinking ballads.
Thank goodness the English, Welsh and Scots are civilised like ourselves:;”
Read that to yourself and if you cannot see that it is written by a sad old coffin dodger (codger) then get a few coffin dodgers to read it to you and maybe just maybe before you topple into the old box that these are the words of a sad person.
“The rest of the world does not give a monkeys pink arse about it, get over yourself man.”
It’s been on every national news channel, including the satellites, national newspapers from LA to Tokyo and several blogs on this site (including numerous posts from a disinterested Doctor Who).
“Observer, maybe you should learn to be more observant.”
See above.
“I suppose you must think that the match will not be replayed because of some conspiracy against the Irish people.”
Not at all. That’s a unionist wet dream.
I think FIFA are happy to endorse foul play when it suits them. Any team could have been on the receiving end of what happened in Paris. Even Norn Iron. I’d like to think I would have shared the outrage of their fans at such blatant injustice.
“Too many people without an iota of idea about football have commented on this issue over the last few days, you are just the latest.”
Played it all my life, Doctor.
Anyone who understands football will be aware that FIFA can do, more or less, as they please.
In this case it pleases them to do nothing to uphold their own stated position of fair play.
One more thing, if Ireland had won this game, under these circumstances, I’d be demanding a replay.
You see, it’s only football, not politics.
It’s OK to do the right thing.
Of course the game can’t be replayed, but FIFA’s reputation has taken another hit in my book.
The deciding of seeding for the knockout games and the giving of the 2nd leg to their seeded teams in mid-competition makes FIFA look a shambles.
I hope some good football is played in South Africa but i’m personally beyond caring who gets the title in these competitions anymore.
Observer
“It’s been on every national news channel, including the satellites, national newspapers from LA to Tokyo and several blogs on this site ”
Most news is controlled by news agencies these days. Real injustiecs rarely get reported. It´s generally the hysteria that gets reported.
“including numerous posts from a disinterested Doctor Who)”
Never anywhere have I suggested I was dis-interested. Flaberghasted by the lack of perspective perhaps.
“Not at all. That’s a unionist wet dream.
I think FIFA are happy to endorse foul play when it suits them.”
What it has to do with unionism is beyond me, god only knows why you mention it. Again you fail to see the clear differnce in the scenario in Bahrain match and the one in Paris. You also conveniently forget that the referee had a decent game up to the Henry hand ball incident, denying France an off side goal and refusing a penalty, although he really should have also booked Anelka. Are you suggesting FIFA subsequently contacted him and told him to let France win.
“Played it all my life, Doctor.”
Football pongo on Grandstand TV consoles don´t count.
“Anyone who understands football will be aware that FIFA can do, more or less, as they please.
In this case it pleases them to do nothing to uphold their own stated position of fair play.”
Nonsense, the can of worms that would be opened by replaying this match are plain and simple for all to see. A more constructive argument would be to add to the debate about video technology.
“One more thing, if Ireland had won this game, under these circumstances, I’d be demanding a replay.”
Of course you would, like you where when ROI got an unjust penalty against Georgia. Like most of the professional footballers in the game, I too recognise that this is a nonsense.
The ROI where denied by a dodgy goal, the sort of thing that happens all the time. You will see at least 20 times this weekend. Get over it and look forward to the next tournament, the draw for Euro 2012 takes place on Feb 7. Good luck.
“Most news is controlled by news agencies these days. Real injustiecs rarely get reported. It´s generally the hysteria that gets reported.”
Your point?
“Never anywhere have I suggested I was dis-interested. Flaberghasted by the lack of perspective perhaps.”
I refer to your earlier remark;
“The rest of the world does not give a monkeys pink arse about it, get over yourself man.”
Are you speaking as an outsider, perhaps?
“What it has to do with unionism is beyond me, god only knows why you mention it.”
Try harder.
“You also conveniently forget that the referee had a decent game up to the Henry hand ball incident, denying France an off side goal and refusing a penalty, although he really should have also booked Anelka. Are you suggesting FIFA subsequently contacted him and told him to let France win.”
Don’t be so obtuse!
The referee’s behaviour before he allowed the goal is irrelevant. There were four infringements leading to the goal and neither referee nor linesmen called any of them. FIFA’s responsibility was to determine, in light of video evidence and Henry’s admission, if a compromise could be reached and they chose not to.
“Football pongo on Grandstand TV consoles don´t count.”
That’s very clever and possibly a winning riposte on the playground.
“Nonsense, the can of worms that would be opened by replaying this match are plain and simple for all to see.”
And?
“Of course you would, like you where when ROI got an unjust penalty against Georgia.”
How do you know how I reacted to that?
What assumptions are you basing your comments on?
“Like most of the professional footballers in the game, I too recognise that this is a nonsense.”
Unlike you I am not a professional footballer.
I believe in fair play and not the wideboy attitude that many seem to be advocating.
I repeat, if this had happened to NI, my attitude would be exactly the same.
Official acceptance of injustice, whether it be Government or FIFA, is unacceptable and deserves challenge. Expediency is not an excuse.
observer
As you clearly under value my opinion as you consider me a unionist and the fact that you fail to comprehend any point I make, not to mention my wife is giving off at me constantly being on the internet, I am now going to leave you to wallow in your mopery. Keep the tissues handy.
Now look on the bright side, the great British public has had a think and now thinks it was to hard on Jedward afterall. Good luck.
It’s not your opinion I undervalue, it’s the way you express it.
I don’t know if your a unionist (not that it matters), my comment was aimed at a perception running through the thread.
Never argue with the wife.
I’m off for a good wallow.
Good luck.
Now it looks like Eqypt and Algeria are fixin’ to go at it over rollerball, er, I mean soccer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_algeria_soccer_row
If you ask me, soccer should be banned.
Play a real sport:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AsyxhZfEwg