Have you ever visited there?

It does, on the National Day of Commemoration in July. Maybe you should go some time.

‘that this is a period in republican – nationalist Irish history which still needs to be properly debated.’

Does it really ? It’s been ‘debated’ to death for the past 50 years or more . To what end anyway ? Or in bluntese what’s the bloody (pun intended ) point ? Those Irish who listed in the great slaughter of 1914 -1918 came from all corners of Ireland -some were Unionists some were Nationalists some were even Republicans and many were as Rory Carr puts it above , just trying to feed the families they did’nt live to see ever again .

I don’t have a problem re Ireland officially commemorating the dead of WW1 or WW2 for many of those who died in WW1 believed they were fighting for a Home Rule -Ireland post war . For that they died in vain . It was left for those who fought for the Republic to achieve that ‘particular ‘ dream and as we look across today’s political wasteland in NI that was not fully accomplished either .

I look upon all of this necrophilial devotion to mass slaughter as more than a little overblown and eerie . Just as I don’t like to see the Irish language dragged down into the gutter of NI party politics I feel the same about the annual Remembrance Day ‘positioning ‘ among the NI necromancers of blood sacrifice .

Perhaps this is all part of a build up to the 100th annivesary of Aug 1914 , when after 44 years of peace between the major powers the rulers of Europe and their generals collectively went insane and butchered 30 million people ?

2014 might be a good time for the people of NI to turn away from the worship of the dead and focus instead on the ‘living ‘

The reason there are no McDevitts on the gate is beause we are a republican family and during that period my great-grandfather and his sons were actively engaged in repubican agitation in Belfast. In fact the attick of my great grandfathers tailor’s shop on Rosemary St was refuge to several English soldiers escaping the war.

I wrote this thread not to remember or honour but to recognise that this is a period in republican – nationalist Irish history which still needs to be properly debated.

Whatever about your disinterest in this debate I can tell you this. The President is listening!

Those are hate comments which I am reporting to Mick. If you have a point please try and make it without spewing bicotry all over this thread.

Dave

I am Irish and a republican. This is a diverse island. Our people are free to determine their destiny. Such a pity you have tried to politicise this thread.

There really is no self-loathing like Irish self-loathing.

Think about it.

De Valera was the only head of state in the world to sign the book of condolences on the death of Hitler, after the liberation of Auschwitz, on behalf of the ‘Free State’. Shame, Shame, Shame!
Let me repeat that, CONDOLENCES ON THE DEATH OF ADOLF HITLER ON BEHALF OF THE IRISH FREE STATE! The German nation has spend the past 60 years overcoming, and are still trying to overcome their having being used as the wheels of the Nazi regime. The Irish Nationalist throughout Ireland, needs to start sorting themselves out. Indeed, don’t even try to sort out the mess of the past, and the most shameful of alliances. Is there an element within Irish Nationalism, which is Irish Nazi(ism)?
President McAleese couldn’t even say it was morally wrong that de Valera signed the book of condolences and sidestepped this by saying this was a “local issue” that should not distract us from the dreadful consequences of what happened in Auschwitz. Shame, Shame, Shame!
We aren’t Arian! The Pole, the Jew, the Gypsy, then the Slav, and then they would have driven the Irish into the Atlantic!
Irish Nationalist, in private, today, apologise to yourself, your families, your blood, and your fallen heroes, then ‘en masse’ take your places (long held in reserve) with every other civilised nation in the world to remember those who laid down their lives that we should live. To remember those from your own nation, blood and family who so bravely died. LET US ALL LEARN, from the sacrifice so many of them made. Never again treat with distain the Irishmen who died in the World Wars! Go and stand at the War memorials. Wear a Poppy with pride! Get over Dev the Nazi apologist, coward and British plant. Have more backbone than McAleese.
Remember your Irish brave! And weep, and weep, and weep! Be Peacemakers, and never Warmongers again. And drive all talk of all further war, on this island, to the pit of Hell. The poppy grows on the graves of our dead, it’s time to get rid of the ‘ShameRock’ and let the Poppy grow in peace with the Shamrock.

You may not have dealt with it this year, but now you have a whole year to think about it.

Yours,

Joe McCann
(A Presbyterian Republician)

Once again you shame yourself

Turn their cenotaphs into urinals.

Next thing the Provos will be wearing Poppies in remembrance of those they stiffed.

I look at the sacrifice made by the ‘volunteers’ with pity as they were duped into fighting what they believed was a war to put a halt to Prussian hegemony against smaller nations on the continent, while in fact they gave there lives in order to divide German and Ottoman lands amongst London and Paris and subject foreign people to different imperial masters.

I have nothing against people wearing the poppy to remember those who fought or the numerous ceremonies, but there is no glory in war and with the exception of WW2, all war is driven by greed and self interest and waged by chicken hawks who ask for the ultimate sacrifice but are not willing to give this themselves, though obviously WW2 might not fall even into this exception.

From today’s Irish Times:

Thousands of Irish soldiers killed in both World Wars will be honoured at a cross-Border commemoration service in Co Louth today.

Ex-service groups from both sides of the Border will stand shoulder to shoulder and pay tribute to the war dead at the only all-Ireland remembrance event on the island.
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As the last post is sounded and the traditional two-minute silence observed traditional Royal British Legion Poppy wreaths will be laid next to the tricolour wreaths of the Organisation of National Ex-servicemen (ONE).

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I commemorate the brave and the true at Easter and were the Lily with pride, the symbol of those who showed the world that right is greater than might.

The poppy is a foreigners affectation.

The Somme, incidentally, was not mindless. It was part of the strategy of the day. Bleed the Kraut and survive by having more numbers. The Germans (commemorate them?) did the same in 1918 and lost their best divisions before the Yankee vultures scopped up the loot.

And let’s not forget the Tories who made so much money out of the Greeat War.

Traitors gate is well named. Fuck them and their mothers who spawned them.

UTP.