Have you been talking to my wife? Hmmmm… not before I look the word up in dictionary.com, as I haven’t a clue what it means.

In regard to how profound changes are imposed incrementally, by stealth, and sans debate (and how this circumventing of the democratic process is justified as ‘leadership’), there are a few points of commonality between the process of consolidating EU rule in Ireland and consolidating British rule in NI. I wish I had said the following but I borrowed it from an anonymous commenter on Dan Hannan’s blog yesterday (about the ‘secret’ promotion of EU integration against the will of Europe’s nations):

[i]“First they tell you it can’t happen, then they tell you it isn’t happening, then they tell you everyone knew it was happening and furthermore you agreed to it. This is very much the tactic of the post-honest political process, and is an outstanding example of “Thoughtful Radicalism”. The idea that its correct to bring about change by stealth, without debate, by feeding it to us in stages, while all the time denying the ultimate intention. This is to treat adults like children. 1984 anyone?”[/i]

In regard to control of PIRA/PSF by British Intelligence, the Shinners had no means of detecting British agents in their ranks since Gerry and Martin appointed British agents to run their Internal Security Unit (which is the unit that had responsibility for detecting British agents within PIRA). The reason Gerry and Martin appointed British agents to run the ISU and failed to rotate them in accordance with standard counterintelligence procedures to avoid long-term infiltration of such a critical role is simply to ensure that PIRA/PSF had no means of detecting British agents, thereby ensuring that Gerry and Martin and all of the other British agents could direct PIRA/PSF with minimum risk of being exposed. Indeed, the only senior British agents that were ever exposed under this regime were not exposed by the ISU but by British Intelligence itself. It is utterly absurd to even attempt to argue that the Shinners were not overrun by British agents since the Shinners had absolutely no means of detecting them, and British Intelligence was spending hundreds of millions on recruiting them.

I think SF quite enjoy your craziness as when people with legitimate criticisms try and put them across they just say “you are as crazy as John O” and mute all arguement

I think that their approach is typical of a party that realises that serious damage is down the line if they ever concede that there is anything to the notion that Gerry Adams challenged Christ during his ongoing leadership of the republican community.

They can call me crazy all they like on Slugger threads on the Hunger Strike but that’s not how they’re treating me in other spheres or on other threads of Slugger. For example there have been attempts to intimidate me. There have been attempts to prevent the circulation of the small numbers of my books in book shops where they can get away with it.

They would like you to believe that it is all a laugh but there are sensible ones among the delinquents and they know that if Rusty Nail can take the gloss off Gerry Adams then he will quickly be regarded with suspicion by all and sundry.

If Gerry Adams goes into notoriety then the Sinn Fein project goes too, and Gerry Adams becomes the de facto Antichrist in all but name and the end is announced of the notion of the oppressed needing to use violence for liberation. Christ’s way is restored and all the Book of Revelation prophecies about Christ and Antichrist are fulfilled. And I’ll be laughing then.

So, Rusty, you are a highly intelligent person and it won’t be lost on you that this is a fight for survival for all of Sinn Fein, not just Gerry Adams, and therefore there will come a point on this progression from complacency to desperation when they will become so desperate that they will do anything to save their necks. When we reach that stage you will know that they are really powerless behind a facade of being really powerful and like Satan they depend on your fear for their power.

Or maybe we’ve already won the argument. It’s just a matter of time really before Gerry Adams realises that he’s been beaten.

harpies and misfits

Profound.

Which camp do I fall into?

Seems those arguing on SF’s behalf on this and other threads are going for the man not ball – yet again. Why not just rebut the post?

But I suppose on a thread that shows SF’s arguments, and presentation of them, have presumably been so lie packed they had to delete them from their party paper website and slash and burn any reference to them from party members what else should we expect from the faithful but more nonsense.

When I see the Party President having his contribution removed and the representatives suffering the same fate – I think perhaps this coverup is a demonstration of how much weight there is in the rest of their contributions.

Nobody else but SF and Adams is seeking to hide their previous comment – I find that absolutely telling.

British sponsored community workers doing over-time.

Also, your sanctimony on the whole posting under a pseudonym issue is disgusting. Remind us, what were you imprisoned for?

Posted by Dicksie

Well if they must know I was charged with attempting to murder a British Soldier and it’s obviously the same troll asking these questions as is slabbering about IP addresses.

Posted by truth seeker on Oct 10, 2009 @ 05:10 PM
10.dixie, arent you going to remind us of what offences you were in the h-blocks for?

Posted by denis n on Oct 10, 2009 @ 05:18 PM
11.yeah Dix, what’d ya do?! Trace someone’s IP address?

Posted by Agent on Oct 10, 2009 @ 05:41 PM”

Talk about anything but the issues on the controversy-run the debate down various tangents and perhaps everyone will be that distracted they’ll forget about the real issues. Get real and grow up.

I’s not surprising that Adam’s does not want an inquiry into the hunger strike if that’s best he and his script-writers can come up with.

who accused you of being a Sinn Fein supporter? You have contributed ziltch to this debate except to bore us all about being bored. Do us all a favour and take the advice you gave to Lucifer.

And because I disagree with the continuous rehashing of a thread devoid still of any content, I shouldn`t post my observances, I should therefore only comment on threads I concur with!!

As I said unless Rusty has any new evidence or facts from the initial posting of this thread during the Age of the Dinosaurs he should just let go, relax, collect flowers and butterflies, anything but this!!

The truth is out there but this is the last forum it will appear on.

Lucifer just f**k off.

‘civilian-type clothing for wear during the working day.’

This was another version of the prison uniform and after that Hunger Strike ended they tried to introduce it and it was rejected by the prisoners as being another form of prison uniform.

There was no mention of Segregation and everything else on that document was available to conforming prisoners anyway.

Bobby Sands told the priest, Father Meagher who delivered it to the prison hospital that “it wasn’t what we wanted.”

On returning to the Blocks he informed the other prisoners that night that we had got nothing and immediately wrote out a comm saying that he would begin another Hunger Strike, this was confirmed by Jim Gibney on Bobby’s 50th Birthday.

So why keep peddling this lie?

I think SF quite enjoy your craziness as when people with legitimate criticisms try and put them across they just say “you are as crazy as John O” and mute all arguement

Gerry Adams

Why do Adams, Morrison etc keep peddling the lie that the Brits reneged on an offer made at the end of the first Hunger Strike in 1980?

For those still in doubt below is the offer made by the Brits in full.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE PROTESTS END
From NIO

On the fourth of December the Government set out clearly what is available to all prisoners in Northern Ireland prisons.

2. We hoped that this would bring an end to the protests. Two more weeks have passed. The protests continue. Those on hunger strike are two weeks nearer death.

3. Their demand for political status is not going to be granted. The European Commission of Human Rights has considered the case made to it by the protesters for political status, and has rejected it. The Commission asked the Government to keep the humanitarian aspects of the prison regime under continuing review. The Government responded positively to that request with the changes on nine specific points which I set forth in detail in my statement to the House of Commons on 4 December. It is our concern that these protests and the hunger strike should not lead to pointless deaths. To the protesters and those on hunger strike I want to say:

“There is no reason to go on. The Government has made its response. I want to spell out for you and your families what will happen when the protests end.”

4. First of all, any such prisoner will be put into a clean cell. If, as I hope, all prisoners end their protests, we shall have the task of cleaning up all the cells right away and this would take a week or ten days.

5. Within a few days clothing provided by their families will be given to any prisoners giving up their protest so that they can wear it during recreation, association and visits. As soon as possible all prisoners will be issued with civilian-type clothing for wear during the working day. From then on, as I said in October, denim prison uniform becomes a thing of the past for all prisoners.

6. They will also immediately become entitled every month to eight letters, four parcels and four visits.

7. Prisoners who end their protest will be able to associate within each wing of the prison blocks in the evening and at week-ends. If large groups of prisoners cease their protest simultaneously, a few days may be needed for cleaning up.

8. We want to work out for every prisoner the kinds of available activity which we think suit him best – work (including of course the work of servicing the prison itself), vocational training and educational training. Again if groups of prisoners come off the protest together, getting this programme organised will take some time.

9. On the question of remission – and this will be of special importance to the prisoners’ families – provision already exists for lost remission to be restored after subsequent good behaviour. We shall immediately start reviewing each case individually.

10. We do not want any prisoners to die: but if they persist in their hunger strike they will not be forcibly fed. If they die, it will be from their own choice. If they choose to live, the conditions available to them meet in a practical and humane way the kind of things they have been asking for. But we shall not let the way we run the prisons be determined by hunger strikes or any other threat.

11. Northern Ireland prisons are acknowledged to include some of the best in the United Kingdom. The boards of visitors will continue to play their part in maintaining this position. For our part we will, subject to the overriding requirements of security, keep prison conditions – and that includes clothing, work, association, education, training and remission – under continuing review.

12. It is the Government’s earnest wish that, in the light of these possibilities, all prisoners now protesting in one form or another will bring their protest to an end. In particular, those on hunger strike have nothing to gain by fasting to death. The time to stop is now.

Northern Ireland Office
18 December 1980

The deaths of the last six give us an insight into the deaths of all ten hunger strikers, and his subsequent choreography demonstrates beyond all reasonable doubt that he has no answer about the six, only a vague muttering that all ten chose to die for the cause and they knew what they were getting themselves into. They all wanted me to be a politician at a time when I wouldn’t have won a council seat in Strabane.

19.this continuous rehashing by rusty is getting boring.

”Yes the Adams click lied but this forum will be the last to be first with the news when it eventually breaks.

Boring, inane, repetitive shite allied with the ranting of that fuckin looney anti-christ, o`connell the lover of lucifer……

This site resembles Goebbels office in Berlin!”

Posted by Truith seeker on Oct 10, 2009 @ 11:33 AM

Who is forcing you to read these threads-why not just avoid the rusty nail threads if you are that bored? Or is your contributions solely designed to deflect from the real truth you so desperately are not seeking.