Knowledge is, indeed, power

Will Crawley valiantly attempts to mediate between the President of the National Secular Society, Terry Sanderson, and Emperor Constantine Pope Benedict XVI. The dispute, such as it is, centres on a recent papal address. I think Will’s right that Terry Sanderson’s statement was an attempt to instigate a media driven furore, “aided and abetted by secret sects, satanic groups and New Age movements” no doubt, although I haven’t seen many takers yet.. But whatever Benedict had in mind with his most recent comments, he’s already made it clear who he blames for fundamentally altering “the human creature’s relationship with the Creator” and any subsequent “inconsiderate use of creation”. It was Sir Francis Bacon’s fault. [I’ll get the fake beards ready – Ed]

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  • Big Maggie

    “If the human creature’s relationship with the Creator weakens, matter is reduced to egoistic possession … and the objective of existence is reduced to a feverish race to possess the most possible.”

    Good old Benny. Clearly he’s preparing his generals for the disposal of the Vatican’s vast wealth.

    Starving children of the world, rejoice!

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    “Knowledge is, indeed, power”

    Nonsense. Those who hold political power in the Archipelago haven’t had to pass a knowledge test. Just take a look at the NI Executive and recall the old slogan, ‘Make your mark for Henry Clark’.

    Think of knowledge as a weapon – and the Ministers who fire blanks.

  • Big Maggie

    Nevin,

    Henry Clark? Who he?

  • Greenflag

    Nevin,

    ‘and the Ministers who fire blanks.’

    Just as well that’s all they can fire . The conundrum here is that given the present NI State format, politicians cannot be given more power for fear they’ll not just abuse it but use it to fire more than blanks not just at each other but at everybody else also.

    But in order to become even half decent politicians they have to be given more power over local affairs so that they can grow up to become proper politicians ?.

    So NI is stuck between two worlds -one dead and the other powerless to be born .

    And thats as good as it can get for a long time ahead . And if you find that upsetting I would’nt complain too much . It could have been a whole lot worse. And it could yet be a whole lot worse if some of the ‘nutters’ on both sides of the divide have their way with their ‘absolutist ‘ political dogmas.

  • Jamesy

    Does Pope Benny not realise that when he said, [i]”If the human creature’s relationship with the Creator weakens,….. [b]man becomes the ‘final authority'”[/b][/i], he was actually describing himself and all the other Popes before him?

    Did it ever occur to him that the Roman Catholic inventions such as Mariology, worship of images, multiple mediators to God, purgatory, transubstantiation, indulgences, confession to priests, etc, etc are all created from man’s authority, not God?

    There is only one answer which would explain why the Pope doesn’t see his statement as applying to him or all the other past Popes and that’s if he himself was not man.

    Let’s find out what the Pope actually thinks he is? is he mere man?

    “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God…”

    “Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.”

    “…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.”
    [i](Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica)[/i]

    “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” ([i]Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.[/i]

    “Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God…..I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do…wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God?”
    [i](Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum)[/i]

  • Greenflag

    Big maggie ,

    ‘Starving children of the world, rejoice! ‘

    Well perhaps . But if you sold off the RC Church tomorrow with all it’s assets and shared it amongst the ‘starving ‘ you would be back to square one or two within a couple of years . And ditto for other faiths .

    As to the 15 billion of ‘assets for the Vatican I did’nt realise they were that poor . I’d guess that the Scientology cultists would’nt be that far behind if not ahead :(

    To put the 15 billion into perspective the sub prime market in the USA amassed a total of 800 billion dollars in loans . The fees on these alone amounted to about 4% or 32 billion i.e twice the RC Church wealth . These 800 billion dollars also helped to prime the ‘bond ‘ market of 16 billion a month in ‘CDO’s and other shady financial instruments which were then marketed as triple A rated investments to municipalities and investors all over the world and ultimately led to the current economic meltdown in the USA and other countries.

    By the time the ‘fee ‘ structure reached the fat cats among the shadowy and not so shadowy financial elite at the top of Wall St and elsewhere you can imagine that there were probably individuals who raked in the same amount of wealth as that possessed by the Vatican.

    That 15 billion figure also helps to bring the recently jailed Bernard Madoff into focus . For looting 60 billion from investors, Madoff can now be elevated to the status of the only arch criminal in history who stole the equivalent of 4 times the universal wealth of the Roman Catholic Church. Now that’ll take some beating .

    In the absence of strict governmental regulation and oversight in the entire financial services area you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be more Madoff’s :(

    Madoff was not a secularist and I don’t believe he was the member of any New Age or satanic cult . He was a practising Jew who even looted from Jewish charities and congregations and form other religious charities and institutions . I wonder how much he ‘removed’ from Vatican Cardinals ? I guess we may never know . As no Cardinals have been yet found hanging under the bridges of London a la Modigliani then perhaps it’s been covered up ?

  • Greenflag

    jamesey,

    ‘if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God?”
    (Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum)

    Megalomania was not just a papal tradition. It has been a widespread condition both among the aristocratic monarchies and their political descendants .

    But Gregory IX did not approve of cats but apparently the ‘cats’ had their revenge on the Pope indirectly if one is to believe this extract from the Great Wiki ?

    “Perhaps his (Greg IX) most lasting action was a minor item: saying in his papal letter Vox in Rama of 1232 that cats were an instrument of the devil and a symbol of heresy. This led to a great reduction in the number of cats, which, a hundred years later, contributed to the quick spread of the Black Death plague, which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of the population of Europe”

    Blame the cats , the rats, the jews , the secularists , the atheists , but whoever you blame don’t blame the Pope:(?

  • Jamesy

    Poor wee pussys :D

  • Christian apologist

    “and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thes 2, 3+4)

  • John45

    Christian apologist – and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thes 2, 3+4)
    Are you God then?

  • Big Maggie

    Greenflag,

    “But if you sold off the RC Church tomorrow with all it’s assets and shared it amongst the ‘starving ’ you would be back to square one or two within a couple of years . And ditto for other faiths .”

    Wouldn’t hurt though, would it? They could practise what they preach. Literally.

  • John45

    Greenflag – statistics are fascinating, but statistics and facts I distrust at every level.
    When a subject is infected by hate – as religion sometimes is on Slugger – there is not much point in debate.
    “Better to understand than to be understood” = a sometimes Protestant icon (ala Mrs Thatcher) St Francis, once said.

  • Christian apologist

    john45 asked ‘Are you God then?’

    I’m not the one sitting in the Temple of God proclaiming I’m God. There’s only one Christian leader who proclaims such things, and it ain’t me.

  • Big Maggie

    “There’s only one Christian leader who proclaims such things, and it ain’t me.”

    There was only one. Tony Blair is no longer premier.

  • Christian apologist

    I give up

  • Greenflag

    Big maggie,

    ‘Wouldn’t hurt though, would it? ‘

    It would hurt those who had to practice what they preach for a start and imagine that example having to be followed by all those stalwart supporters of the Churches – our church attending politicians and even some political clerics themselves eh ?

    Not going to happen -don’t worry .

  • Greenflag

    ohn 45,

    ‘but statistics and facts I distrust at every level.’

    I don’t dispute the fact that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa . But I don’t believe the ‘unfact’ that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago as some of the more credulous politicians in NI do :(

    ”Better to understand than to be understood” = a sometimes Protestant icon (ala Mrs Thatcher) St Francis, once said.’

    Well I don’t think St Francis would have approved of Pope Gregory IX eh ?

    All them wee pussies being burnt at the stakes .
    Better than burning ‘people’ of course ? But that was to come later . If you start with cats you can work your way up the mammalian tree to the predator clinging on the topmost perch eh ?

    Anyway be kind to your friends in the swamp , for the duck ( not the pope ) may be somebody’s mother -and mind your religion whatever it is ;)

  • Greenflag

    christian apologist ,

    ‘I give up ‘

    Yes . But no need to apologise. Unlearning is always difficult no matter what !

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thes 2, 3+4)”

    Yadda yadda yadda….ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Gréagóir O Frainclín

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    Greenflag, an apologist never apologises …

  • Greenflag

    nevin,

    Michael was being taken for a run and the sound of one hand clapping can be heard in the big M in whichever universe ;)