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…if University education were universally available and availed of, the country would collapse in one generation
The words of Brian O’Nolan, variously Brian Ó Nualláin, Myles na gCopaleen, Myles na Gopaleen and, of course, Flann O’Brien. That O’Nolan was referencing his own dissolute student days at UCD only mildly distracts from the prophetic undertone of his words: I paid no attention whatsoever to books or study and regarded lectures as a [...] read our review »
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Christopher Hitchens, 1949 – 2011
Writer Christopher Hitchens has died aged 62. He was as contrary as he was brilliant. Here is a brief In Memoriam from Vanity Fair (his outlet of choice since 1992) and, here, a longer tribute from his friend Christopher Buckley Stanley in The New Yorker. Better, perhaps, though to post one of Hitchens’ own writings in [...] read our review »
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Talking to a brick wall: how to make politicians listen?
It took me a long time to warm to advertising agencies. The first time I worked with one I was working in sales management on Fairy Washing Up Liquid. I was due to attend a meeting at which I was to be told what consumers really thought of the brand. I remember my reluctance to [...] read our review »
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Court refuses to order journalists to produce notes about the Real IRA. Full judgement on courtsni site soon.
Victory for Suzanne Breen today.
What a great new flag erected by people who class themselves as CI8 supporters but also class themselves as the lost tribe of israel.
Its only the star of David Mick. Sure that was always on the Ulster banner. Nothing to do with Israel really. If Israel gets wiped off the map the star of David will still be in existence.
Look at the top and bottom blue bars UMH…
Carnlough
[i]What a great new flag erected by people who class themselves as CI8 supporters[/i]
…and you know who erected it?
[i]but also class themselves as the lost tribe of israel.[/i]
The C18 supporters think they’re the lost tribe of Israel? Any evidence of this?
Aye, see it now Mick.
If they only knew the Pope was behind the creation of the Israeli state and the reason for doing so, they’d sh!t a brick. This is a prime example of why it’s not wise to do the opposite of what the Shinners do.
Hmm..let me see it wouldnt have been loyalists who erected it?
Not all loyalists have links with C18, its only a small percentage of UDA members who flirted with C18. You can’t tarnish every loyalist.
Flirted?More like got into bed with?The recent racist attacks in loyalist areas wouldnt reflect this?
loyalists, haha muppets, seriously have no clue !
Carmlough, did you see the racist thugs who attacked the Roma people? They’re just out of nappies for heavens sake, never mind being C18 or loyalist.
ack shut up you, trying to defend scum, no one is fooled
Age has nothing to do with it.They woke up 1 day and decided lets “do the foreigners”did they?
“You can’t tarnish every loyalist.”
You couldn’t make it up.
Stop making excuses and admit that the majority of racist attacks have been carried out by loyalists
[i]ack shut up you, trying to defend scum, no one is fooled[/i]
Show me where it was C18 or even loyalist parimilitaries, jim. Then I’ll shut up.
[i]Stop making excuses and admit that the majority of racist attacks have been carried out by loyalists[/i]
I don’t have to admit to anything Carnlough. You’re the one flinging the shit everywhere.
You said the people who put up this flag supported C18….show me the evidence?
You also said the people who put up this flag believed they were the lost tribe of Israel…..show me the evidence?
Then you generalised all loyalists into the c18 mould and lost tribe nonsense….show me the evidence?
You either back up what you post or don’t bother posting in the first place
“If they only knew the Pope was behind the creation of the Israeli state and the reason for doing so, they’d shit a brick”
I love Jack Chick too
You can imagine the advert:
“Are you too lazy to be arsed putting up both Israeli and Union Flags? Then you need our new two-in-one flag! Perfect for the lazy loyalist!”
There’s many people other than loyalists who would associate their politics with that flag. It’s not necessarily my politics (infact I think its silly), but at least I recognise its a statement being made and it isn’t meant to be the flag which represents loyalism, C18 or British Israelism as Carnlough sugests. Actually Carnlough would be surprised how many liberal and educated Unionists agree with the political statement made by that flag.
Have noticed a few Ulster seperatist flags (red saltire and blue background) going up in areas where you’d never see them before. But flying them alongside the Union Jack does seem to be a bit of a contradiction…
Exile
Try driving through Ballygowan, where every lampost must have at least 6 flags, there appears to be some sort of competition, village with most flags per lampost.
I didn’t write that at 24.
“[i]Have noticed a few Ulster seperatist flags (red saltire and blue background) going up in areas where you’d never see them before. But flying them alongside the Union Jack does seem to be a bit of a contradiction…”[/i]
True. The flying of the Union flag along with the Ulster Nationlist flag really is stupid, it just doesn’t make any political point at all, other than tell people how dumb you are.
excuse my ignernce. i just googled what an ulster separatist flag is and realised i had seen the flag before, i think. didnt know there was an actual separatist movement in NI. you learn something new on slugger every day! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_nationalism
Yes but do liberal and educated unionists go out and plaster the place with flags when its not even the 12th yet?
C18 recent activity,quite ironic isnt it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8107807.stm
and again Carnlough, what has the C18 graffiti on Republican graves got to do with the flag above?
I hope the good people of Carnlough understand flags much better than you do, for if you are the brains in Carnlough dear help the locals.
This is, again, typically reactionary from some loyalists. They will have seen the Palestinian flags around some nationalist communities, where parallels can be drawn, and thought, ‘If they’re going to support the Arabs, we’ll have the Jews!’.
Of course being a stubborn ‘defender of the union’, has feck all to do with Israel unless you go back to the settle/plantation argument. This of course stinks of irony when Ulster’s settlers then go on to attack other fellow settlers who settle in the same settlement as them but have come from another country. Oh, I forgot, Ulster settlers have god et al on their side. Guess it’s hard to argue with that.
[i]This of course stinks of irony when Ulster’s settlers then go on to attack other fellow settlers who settle in the same settlement as them but have come from another country.”[/i]
Melter this comparison is irrelevant. The people who now come to Ulsters shores are not settlers, if they were they would be accepted.
When the Ulster-Scots came they planned on settling, but the Gaelic Irish just didn’t want them there, because the Gaelic Irish were sectarian racist bigots. Fortunately in this day and age we don’t have settler problems, we have immigration ones where the poor come and go, all depending on which region within the EU gives the best return for them.
So don’t label Ulster’s settlers in with these EU nomads, bigot!
Loyalists are complete chimps!! Don’t they know that the Israelis murdered “our troops” when they blew up the King David Hotel back in the day? We’d soon see how pro Israel they really are if a few of them were to move into the village in south Belfast. They’d be burnt out before you could say Bar Mitzvah!
Quagmire, when the Israelis move in to an area, they tend to bring Galils, M1 Abrams and F-15′s with them.
kind of hels nullify any opposition.
Just drove along the Cavehill & Westland Roads, new Loyalist flags everywhere. It’s pathetic looking and indicative of a depressed community seriously in doubt about it’s identity. Why do they need to tell people they are British by flying flags and painting kerbstones? Is it because MOST British people DON’T actually see them as British? Unionism is slowly being engulfed into an ALL Ireland identity whether they like it or not. As for Israeli flags the Combat 18/BNP/UDA crowd must be very confused; sure don’t they see Jews as an underclass? You can tell most of these boneheads were mitching school during history lessons. When the average Billy Boy steps off the plane or boat in Britain he or she is seen as a PADDY; just ask those from the North in the British Forces and the North’s most decorated soldier in WWII was Blair ‘PADDY’ Mayne from Newtownards. Says it all, this is people who don’t know what they are.
*helps*
…And Merkava rather than Abrams
“If they’re going to support the Arabs, we’ll have the Jews!’.”
Irish Catholic hatred for the Jewish people and Protestant understanding and empathy with their position goes back well before the foundation of the state of Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Limerick#Pogrom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Jaffe
“[i]Unionism is slowly being engulfed into an ALL Ireland identity whether they like it or not.”[/i]
Posted by LURIG
Aye sure, if it makes you happy.
“[i]Why do they need to tell people they are British by flying flags and painting kerbstones?2[/i]
probably because the Irish love to promote themselves around the world as green, white and pale-orange leprehcans.
[i]As for Israeli flags the Combat 18/BNP/UDA crowd must be very confused; sure don’t they see Jews as an underclass?[/u]
Lurig, Why don’t you ask this combat 18/bnp/uda crowd t find out if they see Jews as an underclass? They’ll give you something constructive to do rather than make silly suggestion on here.
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friggin annoying
Why UMH do you know who they are? Should you not be ‘volunteering’ this info to the PSNI? Something constructive? What? Rebuilding my home after they have firebombed it? You seem really annoyed there UMH, you do protest too much it seems.
LURIG “[i]Why UMH do you know who they are? Should you not be ‘volunteering’ this info to the PSNI?[/i]
Lurig, how the fuck would I know who they are, I live 40+ miles from them you tosser.
“this is people who don’t know what they are.”
Apparently Lurig looks to the people of Great Britain to define Ireland’s communities.
A bit of a cultural cringe there Lurig. Stand up for yourself!
Unionism is slowly being engulfed into an ALL Ireland identity whether they like it or not.
Two things:
(1) What have the numpties who put up flags got to do with unionism? They are “loyalists” – loyal to whom I wonder?
(2) How precisely can a political view on the constitutional position be engulfed into a cultural identity? I’m Irish, ethnically and culturally, and British, an all embracing cultural identity for all folk on these islands, I am European, an even more nebulous identity. I am also unionist in my outlook on the constitution of the UK – but my unionism and my cultural identity are not the same thing, as exemplified by other people who are constitutionally unionist having a different set of identities, e.g. some folk see themselves as Ulster Scots, some as Scottish, some as Welsh, some as English. Ireland is only one of 4 countries in the UK and to talk about unionism in a purely Irish context is to ignore the bulk of it.
Sm,
26 counties of Ireland are not in the Uk.
Unless by Ireland you mean Northern Ireland.Thats a new one!
“I’m Irish, ethnically and culturally, and British, an all embracing cultural identity for all folk on these islands”-except for about 85 %
of people who claim to be Irish.Unless I follow the logic of your first point and conclude that Britishness is not a nationality?That it’d be talking.
LURIG
I actually don’t mind being called Paddy on the mainland.
I can’t speak for Jocks, Taffs, Geordies, Scousers, Cockneys etc, but it isn’t really an issue for me in the same way as it wasn’t for Blair Mayne,or it isn’t for ‘Paddy’ Ashdown.
I think the flags on lamposts are unpleasant on the eye, seems to be a prole thing.
Guest
What about all those West Brits in south Dublin?
Britishness is not a nationality. Being a British citizen is a nationality. It is hard to write clearly because we use the same words for both identity and ethnicity and citizenship which are all different but related. In fairness I don’t think I worded my initial comment very well in general either
SM,
Interesting point.
I think we can learn a lot from the weird glue
that ties together identity, ethnicity, and citzenship.It throws up all kinds of contradictions, as your initial comment suggests all by itself.i personally think that dual citizenship is an intellectual cop out because British citizenship extends itself into the same legal sphere as Irish citizenship.That could be fine in perfect world, but where the problem arisees is when Irish nationality is tied to Irish citizenship and therefore to this same sphere of British nationality.In Irish terms, britishness is a nationality and therefore in it is a cop out to let things pour over in to the vague dual Irish-British bollox.
Driftwood,
That’s only Republican frustration.
They are mostly a-political,and simply live there lives with the television.And lets face it, the Brits have great football, and are great at sensationalism which is great excitement in the pub.
Now if your talking the more organised side of this phenonomen such as journalists I don’t even have to name, they are just defending the others rights to live apolitically.And they the Republican frustration that entails
and the **love** the republican frustration that it entails, that last line should read
Exile: Have noticed a few Ulster seperatist flags (red saltire and blue background) going up in areas where you’d never see them before. But flying them alongside the Union Jack does seem to be a bit of a contradiction…
Maybe it’s STV? Which flag was higher up the post? Or perhaps the separatists are still at the Home Rule stage.