Dream on!!!!

I like the idea of an inquiry into the Hunger Strikes of 1981. But I think that Gerry Adams will continue to lie and that can’t be understood unless you understand that he believes that his destiny is to be greater than Jesus Christ, and therefore must never be tarnished by mistake.

Ten men died for his political career and he believes that that means he is that good enough to warrant their comradeship and martyrdom.

In short, you either get the message that Gerry Adams is Christ returned who did it his way or that he isn’t. In which case who is he that he can earn the accolades he’s getting about this issue?

Is militant republicanism claiming to be the new Christianity? Is Gerry Adams claiming to be the new Christ? Or is it all about a challenge to Christ coming from the forces of darkness?

I think I’ve just summed up the debate that is really going on on this thread.

Lets concentrate on the ‘ball’ & thats the call for an inquiry into the ‘deal’ rejected by the sf leadership in 1981. Let John O’C take his BS & numerology back to the ‘stoops’ – let them deal with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGIFgE9WPvc

It does not shed light, directly, on what happened in the negotiations before the death of the six but interestingly, it gives an indication of how keen Gerry Adams was to ensure that he was not seen to be influencing the prisoners to go on or to continue with the hunger strike.

The BBC report focused on what how much control the IRA had over the hunger strikes.

On the video, the showed a document containing internal IRA rules which indicated that those in the organisation could not go on hunger strike without the express permission of headquarters.

IN the interview, Adams said that the IRA “supported” the hunger strikes.

He said that he had a conversation with Bobby Sands in which he indicated that the movement was “Morally opposed” to the hunger strikes. He then added “we are morally, strategically and tactically” opposed to the hunger strikes.

He also said that “the hunger strike situation was created out of an intensity of prison protest of which no-one on the outside would have control”

I hold no ill-feeling towards the hunger strikers. But members of the IRA must accept responsibility for their actions and thus you should not attempt to deflect attention away from their actions by relying on the actions of priests to prove their relative innocence. There were a lot of children messed up by the IRA campaign.

I agree largely with your analysis of British involvement in Irish woes and would add that my analysis already accounts for the English language area to be defined as Bablyon, the evil empire of the Book of Revelation, and therefore a much more sinister agent in these events than Gerry Adams and the IRA. You should be under no illusions about that.

What does it come out at in the irish spelling, John?

I still think it a hoax

It’s not as simple as that, Deadmanonleave. These ten deaths gave Gerry Adams a severe advantage over the SDLP in particular, suggesting that men died just for Gerry et al. They may not seem to give anything to Gerry Adams of a supernatural kind but they turned a fairly unimpressive delinquent rebellion into a challenge to Christ and Christianity, as well as to the Catholic Church and the SDLP. He’s getting his dues now.

It’s self explanatory, Ulster’s my Homeland. The ten horns of the beast are interpreted as the ten hunger strikers who made my life difficult when I was a teenage son of an SDLP councillor by making it out that these tin soldiers who hadn’t a chance of winning the war were better than me, my father and the decent men who decided that if you can’t win you don’t waste your energies and lives.

Personally, I have no interest in supernatural or biblical analogies, and simply want Adams et al to come clean about the truth, for the sake of the families, comrades and friends of all those who died, and who’s deaths could have been avoided.

i think describing Gerry Adams as the “anti-christ” is a tad strong & perhaps stretching the imagination just a little teeny weeny bit ???

I suppose you’re right in the sense that at this moment it doesn’t seem that he is. But I wonder would you have said the same thing at the height of the Troubles.

Of course, the answer is complex in that that Gerry Adams is “the beast who once was, now is not, and yet will come” (Rev 17:8). So at a certain time, he will not seem to be the beast, but a time will come when he return to being seen as the beast.

Do you see what I mean, you’re talking about a riddle that defines Gerry Adams as a shadow who comes into and out of focus before coming back into focus.

But all the fundamentals about Gerry Adams are true: His name comes out at 666, “Adam” appears in his name, he was shot and wounded, he got onto a Catholic altar while mocking Catholic teaching as inferior, and most of all he had the seven heads and still has the ten horns as his power.

The hunger strikers are Gerry Adams’ power source in terms with his political project and he would have found the going too tough without those deaths. Without the hunger strikers Gerry Adams would most likely still be the underground leader of a rebellion that had disjointed support.

So this thread and others about the Hunger strikers will do so much damage to the Sinn Fein project that they will fight to the death to protect their man. It really is that important.

Gerry’s Luciferian tendencies notwithstanding, he does have some ‘revelations’ he should share with the wider republican community & most importantly with the families of na stailceori.

In fact one of John’s pieces is still is up, the other was removed. Accusing someone of being the AntiChrist is hardly libellous, but it is certainly not abiding by the ball playing rule of the site.

John, keep it up and you will be out permanently.

Yes, you removed a harmless post and retained the more significant one.

The hunger strike is very relevant to the leadership of Gerry Adams and helps to define him as the Antichrist in the sense that he had men who were prepared to die for him and his organisation. That gave him supernatural power and a great advantage over the SDLP in the competition for votes.

But now we find that not only was the hunger strike an illusion of power and only four seemingly died legitimately for the cause, we also find that even those four were probably under orders from Gerry Adams & Co. Let’s face it, if Gerry Adams had the final word over negotiating with the British after four deaths, he must have had the final word over Bobby Sands, for example, going on hunger strike. So Gerry Adams was in control.

Some people have a funny definition of the Antichrist. They think he is coming to end the world through nuclear war or something, But I know that it is much more local than that. The precedent he sets of setting aside Christianitry would have ended the world but only in the long term. But he is a local figure like Christ, and he is powerful for a short time (he is not eternal).

Deconstructing the myth about the hunger strikers is part of the ending of that power and the beinning anew of a party led by Gerry Adams as a normal political party, whose vote will begin to decline on this news.

That’s why they’re fighting so hard.

From what I have read here so far ,there have been many attempts to demonise those who have been seeking an independent enquiry on this serious matter. Since yesterday the not so subtle slurs against Mr Gallagher have been removed.These attempts to discredit truthseekers of what happened during the hungerstrike were very obviously crass attempts to deflect us all from the real issue in hand.

The families of some of the hungerstrike martyrs in their statement from yesterday (13/06/09) are quite clearly calling for an enquiry. I sincerely hope that the ‘slur & rumour’ factory doesnt start churning out nonsense about these people as they have certainly suffered enough!

Carey Glen – If PSF had been as keen to get to the truth, rather than engage in obfuscation, demonisation and revisionism then they might not look like they have something to hide.

All of the anonymous little digs at those who seek the truth, kneejerk posts, and all of the attempts to minimise the roles played by individuals and their decisions are cutting no ice.