“They certainly got a reaction this time”
The brutal sectarian murder of Kevin McDaid has so far led to eleven arrests (according to RTE tonight), and with eyewitnesses claiming that up to 40 loyalists arrived in the estate in cars and taxis as part of the clearly orchestrated sectarian attack, there will doubtlessly be many more to follow. Whilst condemnation has followed from most quarters, the reaction of local DUP councillor, Adrian McQuillan, on tonight’s BBC Newsline will certainly raise many eyebrows. Here’s Adrian’s response:
“Tit for tat all the time. What reason can you see for there being tricolours up yesterday afternoon, a Sunday afternoon? None other than for to get a reaction from the loyalist community, and they certainly got a reaction this time, which is very sad.”
That’s quiet a stretch, even for Adrian. It wouldn’t do for Adrian to examine the deeper issues which have led to brutal sectarian killings of catholics in similarly majority unionist towns in recent years, where intolerance towards any expressions of the Irish nationalist identity have been the norm. Better to leave that elephant alone, eh???
And you know what Neil? Your eloquent swearing has convinced me. Because a British court never convicted Gerry Adams of formally being in the IRA, the IRA he was never in never murdered anyone ergo Adams never murdered anyone.
There will of course be pedants who will still say that the unconvicted Adams *was* in the IRA, and they they and he *did* therefore in the real world murder real people. But as you, Neil, so energetically keep dismissing these victims, whilst extolling others, well don’t worry, we’ve all got the message.
For Neil, some murders good, some murders bad. And if Neil wants to get all excited and jump up and down at your keyboard again, this is where we differ: I think all murders were and are wrong, you don’t. That’s your choice, and like the choice Adams and McGuiness made when they murdered their victims, and the choice the mob who murdered McDaid made, it’s the wrong one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8068621.stm
“[i]what possible reason, other than sectarianism did this mob of Loyalists have for attacking Kevin McDaid?”[/i]
Neil, his son already said that his dad went to protect Damian.
Now that would lead us to believe that the Damian in question was Damian Fleming and this is who the mob were intent on attacking. Sadly, Kevin McDaid, as the generous community worker he’s widely reported to be, intervened and unfortunately lost his life to a bunch of cruel and evil thugs.
However Nationalist and Republican politicians try to generalise this murder, they want to make it out as if Unionists were somehow to blame. Billy Leonard goes as far as to say that Unionists have to admit it was sectarian and admit other attacks were sectarian.
This is what I oppose. These attacks should not be used to attack the other community, Dallat, Leonard and Mcguinness are responsible of that.
Scumbag,
Explain how Mrs. Devlin ended up with those horrendous bruises?
“[i]UMH – you should be reported for inciting hatred.
You’re a attention-seeking psychotic. Get a life you bigot
Posted by Adrian McQuillan is a fat bigoted shit”[/i]
What about the Nationalist and Republican politicians who voiced their bigoted rants even before the police made their announcement?
Are we to assume the Nationalsit/Republican politicans are right in their summary?
If Catholics don’t retaliate for this murder (which they absolutely shouldn’t), will Robbo congratulate the community for how sensible and grown-up they’ve shown themselves to be?
And now we’ve got Paul making a fool of himself too: Adams never murdered anyone, Paisley and Robinson – well, we’ll let Slugger tidy up those libels as and when they see fit. But that’s the point I keep coming back to about the ingrained sectarianism of so many Republican posters on Slugger (and please notice, that’s the cohort I’m limiting myself to discussing, because that’s all the evidence we have to hand – reading this thread, and seeing who’s making sweeping group-assertions about whom is dismally revealing, isn’t it?): murders today = bad; murders days gone by = yawn (or hoorah!).
Some poeple have tried the patently absurd diversionary claim of ‘whataboutery’. There has been no whataboutery, leastways not by me. I, unlike the large majority of Republican posters on this thread, have not attempted to diminish one crime by saying ‘whatabout?’ another. Quite the reverse: I have repeatedly and throughout said that all crimes, specifically murders, are eqaully repugnant. I have then further addressed the point that someone like Chris Donnelly – pertinent, of course, because he started the thread – who denounces some murders whilst extolling others (to wit, Provo murders) is not a credible moral exemplar. He’s patently neither sincere in what he says, nor sincere in what he’s trying to do: Donnelly’s posting, rather than evincing any genuine sympathy for Kevin McDaid or his family, let alone by setting out any concrete specifics for how best we can work towards circumstances in which there will fewer rather than more murders, is a hate-hymn of gloating, explcitly seeking to exploit this sordid murder for tawdry, partisan advantage.
I’ve further made, and repeat, the entirely practical point that specifically because McDaid’s murder is revolting as every other murder, we have a common-sense duty to try and think through what his killers were and are thinking. And from where I stand, never having supported murder, let alone carried one out, the limits of my empathy says that would-be murderers today and tomorrow look at what has happened to murders of the past, like Adams, McGuinness and Ervine, see what has befallen them, or not, and make their calculations accordingly. Their calculations are, from the standpoint of those of us who are now and have always been opposed to murder, dismal and almost certainly correct.
Yet if there is one point I want to make more clearly than anything else: in response to the appalling murder of Kevin McDaid, I have said that his murder is just that: appalling, wrong, unforgiavble, requiring of just and condign punishment. And I have said this because I believe now what I have always believed: that murder is wrong. It is telling and depressing that beyond a late, and I’m afraid, fairly incoherent feint by Neil, not one Republican poster has felt able to do likewise. I’m more than willing to lecture you precisely because my opposition to murder is total: your ability to lecture anyone, let alone, exploit a murder to that end, is preposterous, and amply and easily demonstrated as such.
Is anyone listening to Radio Ulster? It seems like the latest DUP apologist for sectarian murder, Cllr. Cole, is a post-op transexual. He’s refused to call for the Blood and Thunder parade to be cancelled on Friday.
LTU
Some poeple have tried the patently absurd diversionary claim of ‘whataboutery’. There has been no whataboutery, leastways not by me. I, unlike the large majority of Republican posters on this thread, have not attempted to diminish one crime by saying ‘whatabout?’ another.
Oh but you have, even just by bringing it up and derailing the thread.
Not to go down this route but
Were shoot to kill policies murder?
If a British soldier kills a civilian in Afganistan or Iraq is it always (or ever) murder?
‘Ulster is actually my homeland’ – I haven’t heard the BBC show you refer to, but I take it as read that you’re right, and that some DUP cllr is making a sordid fool of himself. You charge him with being an ‘apologist for sectarian murder’, so plainly being such is something you see as, and know to be wrong. Given that, I take it you understand why those of us who have never been ‘apologists for sectarian murder’ are incensed when known ‘apologists for sectarian murder’, like Chris Donnelly, seek to, for example, entirely disengenuously exploit a sectarian murder of all things for their own pathetic purposes?
LTU
What about? What about? But what about?!?
(In this case: what about Chris Donnelly?)
Go back to your garden centre.
So Kensei, as you’re even blushing when you type, your way of accusing me of whataboutery is to, er, engage in it? Well done.
I’ll repeat for the other victims of 11+: I haven’t engaged in any whataboutery. I haven’t taken the crime in question and tried to diminish it to any degree by saying ‘whatabout?’ some other crime. My point has been the precise reverse of that: I have insisted that what happened to Kevin McDaid *was* a crime; that it happened in the context of many previous such crimes; and that the very lack of effective consequences for those previous crimes is precisely what served as a spur for this present crime, and, I fear, future ones like it. You may not like this anaylsis, but to deem it ‘whataboutery’ is merely to play Queen of Hearts with words and their meanings. Feel free to, but don’t expect to be taken seriously as and when you do.
I am afraid I have to keep coming back to the other thing this dismally fascinating thread has, however, illustrated all too starkly: the refusal of the large bulk of the Republican posters who have appeared on it to accept the basic moral precept that murder is murder. It’s very disappointing that so far into the post-Agreement period this essential, bedrock moral principle isn’t universally acknowledged. Hell, even if you lied and pretended that you believed it, it would be progress of sorts.
Nevin,
Can you post a link to the quotation you used of the murder victims son… or even the name of the medium it was carried in, I can’t locate it, and it would be damning for all if it is even half correct
Well that didn’t take very long, did it, ‘Ulster is actually my homeland’? Your on-air DUP cllr is to be condemned for being an ‘apologist for sectarian murder’, whereas your fellow-traveller Chris Donnelly is not. Thanks for illuminating all too clearly your sectarian prejudices. I think that that may have been the swifting ‘outting’ of such yet seen on Slugger.
Other Republicans: raise your game, you really are making this too easy. LTU’s top tip: say murder is wrong. You don’t have to mean it, but just by saying it, you’ll close off a lot of currently very open goals.
[i]I’ll repeat for the other victims of 11+: I haven’t engaged in any whataboutery. I haven’t taken the crime in question and tried to diminish it to any degree by saying ‘whatabout?’ some other crime. ………
I take it you understand why those of us who have never been ‘apologists for sectarian murder’ are incensed when known ‘apologists for sectarian murder’, like Chris Donnelly, seek to, for example, entirely disengenuously exploit a sectarian murder of all things for their own pathetic purposes? [/i]
What about Chris Donnelly, L(T)U?!?
You truly are a rancid snob. We know you condemn the murder. Nobody in their right mind is singling you out. Why do you feel the need to adopt a default defensive position? Relax. Now, fuck off back to your plants while us immoral Taigs go Prod-bashing – cos that’s all we’re good for cos we failed da 11+.
ltu
I did not libel Paisley or Robinson what I said are easily provable and are a matter of public record
Or Paisley’s speaches and Robinson’s raid on the republic never happen?
LTU: why do you feel the need to pretend that Taigs don’t realise that murder is wrong? Of course the vast majority of us know that it is always wrong.
But what about Chris Donnelly?!?!?!?!?
You really are too easy little man. Do you actually think that your haughty, condescending pseudo-intellectual sentiments are really going to force us into discursive submission?
But what about Chris Donnelly!??! Yes, some unionist politicians have disgraced themselves over the last few days. But what about Chris Donnelly!??
North Korea is playing a very dangerous game with the international community. But what about Chris Donnelly!??
Most Westminster MP have been ripping off the British taxpayer. But what about Chris Donnelly!??
The Catholic Church is a complete and utter embarassment to all those brought up in that faith. But what about Chris Donnelly!??
Oracle, it’s on the Times Online.
Your posts really do need to make at least partial sense UIAMY: when you, more or less, ask, ‘What about Chris Donnelly, L(T)U?!?’ what are you trying to say? Or to be less kind, what do you think you’re trying to say? Do you think you’re trying to say, Chris Donnelly *isn’t* that bad thing you inveighed against earlier – an apologist for sectarian murder? He is, and repeatedly, nay, proudly so. Whether or not you like him regard Provo murders as murders is merely as test of whether your sectarianism is quite as curdled as his. It’s not, allow me to assure you, in any way a test of whether or not they were murders. They only people who think they weren’t murders are the people who carried them out, or have got rich attemtping to defend them.
I’m not sure what your obsession with garden centres is – are you a shareholder in B&Q perhaps, trying subliminally to encourage us to finish reading Slugger and instead go out and buy some decking? – but good luck with it. I think whatever its deep-seated psychological sources, you’ll do less harm that way than you might any other.
I may have been too indulgent as regards ‘Ulster is actually my homeland’ and garden centres – for pity’s sake, keep him away from power tools at all costs . . .
LTU,
You can stick your condemnation, as it’s f*cking worthless. What you’ve done here is equivalent to turning up to a funeral, shaking the hand of a family member of the recently deceased, telling them how sorry you are, while simultaneously masturbating with the other hand. You couldn’t wait to splurge your political points scoring all over this thread. You even insinuated at one point that Adams and co are indirectly responsible for this poor mans death.
I see now why you are laughing. Clearly you are socially retarded and can’t help yourself.
Mcguinness, Dallat and Leaonard should be questioned why they reported the attacks were sectarian and by loyalists.
What physical feature makes one a loyalist?
What makes an attack sectarian?
lets have an independent investigation into this attack?
LTU = David Trimble?
- An inflated ego from the humblest of intellects
- Haughty, misplaced, jargonistic sentences
- Crap jokes
- A Tory Unionist
The similarities are truly astounding.
You, sir, are truly a cut above the rest of us. I mean, at least us peasants actually understand what you say, unlike my uneducated ramblings.
Actually, I think the majority of Slugger readers will know exactly what I’m getting at. But what about Chris Donnelly?!
[i]Do you think you’re trying to say, Chris Donnelly *isn’t* that bad thing you inveighed against earlier – an apologist for sectarian murder? He is, and repeatedly, nay, proudly so.[/i]
No I don’t think that at all – I’m pointing out exactly just how hypocritical and disingenuous you appear to, “nay”, actually are.
A brilliant series of lucid points charmingly made: emotionally literate, utterly sincere and truly convincing. Or then again, maybe not. Smug, if you gave a damn about Kevin McDaid’s murder, you’d be as repulsed as I am that Chris Donnelly sought instantly to hijack it for his normal Hun-baiting. But then you don’t give a damn, hence your total lack of disquiet expressed about the murder one way or the other.
I’ve zero idea whether a.) you’re a Republican or b.) you know that murder is murder, and that all murders were and are wrong, but perhaps you’ll enlighten us? And as and when you do, possibly you can explain to us boring old sods, who were always opposed to murder, why the disengenuous tripe of Chris Donnelly, an avowed apologist for murder, exploiting yet another murder is in any way convincing? I couldn’t give a toss, to pick up on your taseful earlier metaphor, whether you or don’t, but claiming that I blamed Adams for Kevin McDaid’s murder is just stupid. It’s not even boring or morally vile, it’s just stupid. Everyone can read the thread: everyone can see what I’ve argued. I blame Adams for the murders he’s guilty of, not those he’s not. That’s plenty to be getting on with.
Next.
“[i]No I don’t think that at all – I’m pointing out exactly just how hypocritical and disingenuous you appear to, “nay”, actually are.
Posted by Ulster is actually my homeland “[/i]
That’s a shame, best of British to ye.
Just keep making stuff up, ‘Ulster is actually my homeland’, it’s so much easier than having an argument. Try swearing too, and assume everyone agrees with you (you’ll feel better), oh, and be sure to MOPE. Never, ever forget that. Otherwise I think you’ve pretty much got all the hsyterical, self-pitying boxes ticked. What about Chris Donnelly?!!!&!!?!!! indeed. He’ll probably pat you on the leg if you keep pouting at him hard enough.
LTU
So Kensei, as you’re even blushing when you type, your way of accusing me of whataboutery is to, er, engage in it? Well done.
Whataboutery si a bad term; you are engaging in distractions. I just want to examine your opinions as claimed. I notice you haven’t answered the questions.
Was Shoot to Kill murder?
Does a soldier kill or murder?
[i]hence your total lack of disquiet expressed about the murder one way or the other.[/i]
Would you rather I state the obvious, shouting it from the rooftops?
[i]I’ve zero idea whether…. you know that murder is murder, and that all murders were and are wrong, but perhaps you’ll enlighten us?[/i]
A bit slow, are we Lord Trimble? I repeat, verbatim, what I said wrote earlier: “Of course the vast majority of us know that [murder] is always wrong.”
Tut tut. The 11+ isn’t just for Protestants you know, Dave.
[i]….you can explain to us boring old sods, who were always opposed to murder, why the disengenuous tripe of Chris Donnelly, an avowed apologist for murder,[/i]
What about Chris Donnelly?!?
[i] but claiming that I blamed Adams for Kevin McDaid’s murder is just stupid. It’s not even boring or morally vile, it’s just stupid. [/i]
Good man. Except that I didn’t claim that at all. Adams is an animal, as far as I’m concerned.
But what about Chris Donnelly?!
[i]it’s so much easier than having an argument….
….. He’ll probably pat you on the leg if you keep pouting at him hard enough.[/i
Indeed. Top class debate, sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black
[/i] Apologies
[i]LTU = David Trimble?
- An inflated ego from the humblest of intellects
- Haughty, misplaced, jargonistic sentences
- Crap jokes
- A Tory Unionist
The similarities are truly astounding.[/i]
I nearly spat out my cup of tea laughing at that.
The brutal sectarian murder of Kevin McDaid has so far led to eleven arrests (according to RTE tonight), and with eyewitnesses claiming that up to 40 loyalists arrived in the estate in cars and taxis as part of the clearly orchestrated sectarian attack, there will doubtlessly be many more to follow. Whilst condemnation has followed from most quarters, the reaction of local DUP councillor, Adrian McQuillan, on tonight’s BBC Newsline will certainly raise many eyebrows. Here’s Adrian’s response:
“Tit for tat all the time. What reason can you see for there being tricolours up yesterday afternoon, a Sunday afternoon? None other than for to get a reaction from the loyalist community, and they certainly got a reaction this time, which is very sad.”
That’s quiet a stretch, even for Adrian. It wouldn’t do for Adrian to examine the deeper issues which have led to brutal sectarian killings of catholics in similarly majority unionist towns in recent years, where intolerance towards any expressions of the Irish nationalist identity have been the norm. Better to leave that elephant alone, eh???
This the report by Chris Donnelly
I demand that protestants are responsible for carving up sectarianism.
If there was ‘shoot to kill’, by the regulations the army and police were operating under, it would have been murder.
‘Does a solider kill or murder?’ Sorry, but what a dim question. In what context is the soldier operating? Argentinian soldiers shooting at Marines outside Goose Green plainly weren’t trying to murder them, they were fighting qua soldiering. We have different words precisely because we have different things. From your posts elsewhere on Slugger, I cannot actually credit that you are truthfully so dense as to only now be learning this age-old fact. So, reluctantly, I have to assume you are trying it on.
To develop this further – even though, as I say, I no longer accept your bona fides, since you know full well the difference between what a soldier lawfully has to do and murder, without me needing to explain it to you – an Argentian solider who, quite lawfully, was firing at a Marine in the Falklands War could already have been a murderer by virtue of what he might have unlawfully done during Argentina’s ‘dirty war‘. For you see, the same word can have different meanings, nuances and uses. But you don’t really ‘see’ that because of course you already knew it.
For goodness sake, the amount of time people have wasted on this thread disengenuously pretending not to know things they full well know – ‘who can say whether the well known Provo Gerry Adams was a well known Provo?’ & equally risible etcetera – has marked a pretty sorry low even by Slugger’s standards. Why do you numpties even try this pathetic non-technique? You convince no one by doing it, and just feel slightly embarrassed yourselves for ever having done it. I appreciate that when it comes to right and wrong, far too many people in Northern Ireland are having to skirt round all sorts of issues they would rather not face up to, but that’s still no excuse for just wantonly engaging in rhetoric that does your case, such as it is, no good at all. I would normally hesitate saying anything like this for fear of seeming just too, too patronising, but so many of you have behaved like such gimps that openly laughing at you really is the only answer.
[i]it’s so much easier than having an argument…
I’ll repeat for the other victims of 11+….making a fool of himself too….you are truthfully so dense…..you numpties…. so many of you have behaved like such gimps that openly laughing at you really is the only answer.[/i]
No, you didn’t seem just, “too, too patronising” at all, my Lord.
Oooohh, just “too, too”, “nay”, too patronising. Ooooohhh. You sound like you’re struggling to take a massive dump.
Ooohhh, I would never even contemplate, for the slightest second, appearing just “too, too” patronising.
What about Chris Donnelly?!??
Maybe, just maybe ‘Ulster is actually my homeland’ you’ll get a signed glossy pic from Chris Donnelly is you keep this sort of thing up. But whether you do or don’t, I’m sure he doubtless be suitably flattered by your persistent attentions. You’ve also taken it upon yourself to answer a series of questions posed to ‘Smug O’Toole’ – and to think, had you passed the 11+, the hated Brits would have allowed you to learn how to read. But what about Chris Donnelly? – well he’s got you for a friend. With news like that I’d been looking for a heavy object, a short rope and a deep canal. But each to their own.
‘What about Chris Donnelly?’ well, pace your ‘you’re struggling to take a massive dump’ observation, you’ve introduced the vital faecal element in your pash. Keep at it man: inch forwards . . . you won’t know until you ask him.
Short of Ulster is my homeland, you are the most pretentious, bigoted shit we’ve ever had on Slugger.
You think that you are superior to me because you infer that I failed the 11+?! Oh my dear boy, my dear boy. If only you knew who I actually was. Still, pompous ignorance is bliss. What would Chris Donnelly say?!
Oooohhh, I don’t want to be a little bit, nay, too patronising!
What about Chris Donnelly?! I think you developed a little crush on him a long time before I did, my Lord. Off to Daphne now, are we?
I’ll leave you to have the last word on Chris.
Just make sure that it isn’t too, just too patronising, my Lord.
What about Chris Donnelly? Are you trying to tell us that you *both* passed your 11+, together, making sweet, beautiful multiple choices, paper after paper? Well, well done you. It’s good to think that we live in that sort of society now.
“Oh my dear boy, my dear boy. If only you knew who I actually was. Still, pompous ignorance is bliss – perhaps the most perfectly, unintentionally funny thing I’ve ever read. Please God don’t tell us who you ‘actually’ are. I think the prospect of caring so little might ‘actually’ be too much for most of us.
There should have been a closing quotation mark after that bliss – which oddly enough was ‘Ulster is actually my homeland’s’ cheesy opening line to ‘what about Chris Donnelly?’
LTU,
Murder is Murder is murder.
Now, what is your position on the Good Friday Agreement?
BEcause if a soldier murders in circumstances that qualify it,
then the GFA qualifys the IRA war and indeed the British war in Ireland.Please discuss.
An absolutely despicable thread.
I stated earlier that I wouldn’t be back…but somehow, something inside had a God-awful feeling that posters from both comunities would envitably descend this topic even further into the realms of murky filth.
Several posters on this forum really do need to have a long, hard look at themselves.
Leave the family to grieve without using this deplorable act as a political football.
Mick – I think it’s about time this thread was pulled. At the very, very least, having your site associated with the bile being spewed on this topic [a tragic murder] does nothing to aid the credibility of this blog.
I feel like I’ve been transported back to 1969, reading some of the filth that is “passing for debate” on here……..
A N Other,
I disagree, the thread should stand. If nothing else it’s an accurate touchstone to the thinking in Northern Ireland.
Those who comment here sit by and large midway between the knuckle-draggers on the one hand and the politicians on the other. I for one am reading in dreadful fascination as the thin scab on Ulster’s skin is being picked open to reveal the putrid wound beneath.
I reckon it’ll serve as a reminder to us all that although the war is over the sectarian poison won’t be drawn for many generations, if ever.
LTU
So, if you believe that the British Army was operating legitimately, then the soldiers did not murder, they killed. Equally, one could say that if they thought the British presence here was illegitimate and therefore removing it was, the IRA equally “killed”.
Of course, the IRA did all kinds of stuff that wouldn’t pass muster under that definition. But just pointing out ranting about “murder” is somewhat pointless if people don’t agree what qualifies, and that the absolutely equivalence you spew out is more a function of your political views that any moral certitude.
I know you think you are enlightening us plebs with your incredible insight and wit, but please take it somewhere you aren’t skanking up threads and repeating stuff that’s been done a million times before.
“To develop this further – even though, as I say, I no longer accept your bona fides, since you know full well the difference between what a soldier lawfully has to do and murder, without me needing to explain it to you – an Argentian solider who, quite lawfully, was firing at a Marine in the Falklands War could already have been a murderer by virtue of what he might have unlawfully done during Argentina’s ‘dirty war’. For you see, the same word can have different meanings, nuances and uses. But you don’t really ‘see’ that because of course you already knew it.”
-laughing unionist tory.in Heath to Kensei.
Back to the BBC!
Now;any chance of your opinion on the GFA?
I take your point BM, which was eloquently made.
However, there is a very, very fine line between a blog acting on one-hand, as a prism through which the views of two, long-standingly polarised communities can be juxtaposed; and on the other acting as a vehicle for posts “from both sides” that are offensive, slanderous, foul-tasting and demeaning.
Some on this topic (it may have been the other thread) spoke about a politian’s language iro this murder as “bordering on inciting to hatred” (or words to that effect)
Regretably, several other keyboard warriors of either creed – although how they can be called Christians of ANY faith, is baffling – have to be verging on same [& imo, justifibly].
Indeed, Mr Other. And we are now into the 8th page of it.
And there was someone giving off to me about the “both sides” argument…
Kensei: “Equally, one could say that if they thought the British presence here was illegitimate and therefore removing it was, the IRA equally “killed””. No Kensei, one can’t. Leastways not if one is: the British government; the Irish government; all other EU governments, the US government; the Catholic church; the Protestant churches; or the overwhelmingly majority throughout the entire Troubles in each of Northern Ireland, Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland. All of them – all of them – said that the Provo campaign was illegitimate and unlawful. The only people who said it wasn’t were the Provos. You can try this ‘on the one hand, on the other’ stuff as much as you like. Indeed, it’s the cloest thus far this thread has come to ‘whataboutery’, but it just doesn’t wash: no one, save the Provos and their supporters thought that Provo murder was anything other than illegimate.
ltu,
the whatabouterey on this thread relates to people jabbering on about the Provos – this issue is about the sectarian loyalist killing of someone because of his ideology/religion.
The legitimacy or otherwise of the Provo campaign is irrelevant – the poor response by some Unionist politicians is not and they should be booted out of their party and roundly condemned.