Who were the moral angels there? I am not Polish by the way. At least the lawyers will be protected by the recession as they will now be able to sue the Catholics Church. 1916 and all that.

‘There is no place in the church for those that don’t take sin and God seriously.’

That’s right Father Dougal -Go to Craggy Island -do not collect 300 plenary indulgences and make sure that none of the collection monies are ‘resting’ in your bank account;)

BW ,

‘It’s ironic to hear from Catholics who may not remember the Paisley of old saying he might have been right.’

Not really – Even a stopped clock is right twice in 24 hours . When you don’t believe in an all black and all white world or live in the moral certainty of medieval Rome or Calvinist Geneva (a la Turgon) then it becomes possible to see that at least on this issue – i.e Catholic institutional corruption- that Paisley got very close to the truth . This of course at the same time as he ‘ruled ‘ over his own ‘institutions ‘ both Party(DUP) and Church (FP) with the proverbial rod of iron . There were no dissenters or if there were they did’nt last.

I still however agree with your overall assessment that his ‘arrogance’ made a bad situation worse – but then it often happens that a bad situation has to be made worse before anything is done about it -given the power of human inertia – And like it or not (and while I’m personnally not too keen on it ) Paisley did deliver ‘power sharing ‘ with SF . That achievement like it or not got NI to where it is today .

History makes strange bedfellows as we all learnt back at the time of the Molotov -Von Ribbontrop Pact eh ? Or did we learn ever ?

If people in the church do not take sin and God seriously, then they should be drop-punted over the fence and ex-communicated.

There is no place in the church for those that don’t take sin and God seriously.

“Perhaps we misjudged Ian Paisley in his rantings against Romanism ? At the very least he seems to have been a bit more perceptive than the Irish political establishment .”

Perhaps we did misjudge Paisley sr on this issue. The absurd situation whereby the Irish religious orders made a “deal” with the political establishment must go contrary to ANY judicial rulings elsewhere in the world, with the exception of Muslim states.

(By some quirk, or by kismet, the code I’m entering for this comment is “child”.)

The perpetrators of those heinous crimes against children are criminals and must be pursued as such. They were in the pay of the Irish government. There’s no earthly reason why they can’t be prosecuted for their crimes. I hope the victims can be persuaded to take their case to the European Court of Human Rights and see the rulings of the Irish judiciary overthrown. Believe me, this is what the majority of Irish people want.

I’m sure many of them did their best for their pupils . One of the best teachers I ever had was a De la Salle Brother . That was in a school were the head brother was a known paedophile who was never arrested for his crimes .

Child sex abuse is a crime no matter who the perpetrator . The crime in these cases is exacerbated by the fact that those who were/are supposed to me the moral standard bearers of Irish society deliberately withheld information for decades from the authorities and continued to allow these paedophiles to ‘operate’ without hindrance and even now are looking for ‘protection’ from the law ?

‘I hope you feel good about that post’

Quite the opposite . It’s a horror story and I hope the civil authorities will do what is right by the victims .

Although it’s not perfect I prefer to put my trust in a court of law

I prefer God’s justice to man’s. These men are getting that justice now and its worse than anything the courts could do. That justice is female embarrassment from a female God.

This is as good as it may get for those children, but it saddens me greatly that it ever had to come to this.

I hope you feel good about that post and it keeps your chest out for a while. When the Bishop Casey affair broke, the DUP spokesperson had a mature, honest and reasoned approach, which really impressed me.

Maybe you remember the Fr Brendan Smyth case. He was demonised as the most evil man in Ireland. This was said at a time when PIRA were slaughtering people and its Short Strand squad was having kids as R&R. Smyth was a nutcase and, though his crimes deserved a long sentence, the fact that such an obviously skewed man was allowed to persist in the priesthood needs investigating.

Have you seen the Oliver O’Grady movie or Louis Thereaux’s visit to child sex offenders in the USA? O’Grady is another nut job and the incarcerated paedophiles interviewed are as eloquent as any politician. Until deeper issues are looked at, child sex abuse will contine. As long as kids are dragooned into joining the priesthood, the Provos, the Labour Party etc, these crimes will continue and empty moralists will quack on about them and do nothing to alleviate them.

The Christian Brothers did more for Ireland than all their detractors combined did. The argument is similar to the Provo one of martrdom for a greater cause. But those who bet each way wil probably never understand or want to understand.

‘The more you read it the more you begin to lose faith in ANY priest in Ireland. As far as I’m concerned, those who knew about the abuse but did nothing are equally as guilty.’

And those who knew appear to have had a line all the way to the Vatican where it appears the lines got crossed and the news when it did break in Ireland and elsewhere came as a complete shock ?

Perhaps we misjudged Ian Paisley in his rantings against Romanism ? At the very least he seems to have been a bit more perceptive than the Irish political establishment .

St kevin ,

‘The Christian Brothers and the hordes who joined the nuns were also victims.’

They were not children when they inflicted abuse on these poor children . And while many may have been victims themselves they were ‘protected’ by the Church establishment and if truth be known by the political and legal establishments also .

‘There is a wider issue. ‘

Funny isn’t it ? Always when the fit hits the shan the guilty try to appease their guilt by an appeal that they are not the only ones ? Well we all know that . But we also know that unless the civil law is implemented as it should be then these criminals will remain on the loose to commit their crimes again and again ! I mean you don’t think that for one minute these criminals even those who are no longer ministering in the Church have changed their ways do you ?

O’connell

‘we must pray for all the victims ‘

More sanctimonious claptrap . There is no evidence that praying for anything achieves anything . Although it’s not perfect I prefer to put my trust in a court of law and see these people put behind bars and the Catholic Church as an institution forced to pay up for it’s negligence and amoral hypocrisy in the manner in which it has dealt with these crimes over the past 60 years and probably longer !

” Mark Trotter … was a Labour activist who happened to be gay and who happened to abuse”.
Stick to systematic abuse by Catholic religious orders please.

There is a wider issue. Why not brng in the hobbies of Labour Party activists or of vermin like Lord Keynes who liked nothing better than rooting bell boys? The British Labour Party covered up sex abuses in the past, often in collusion with the Tories.

If Jesus is posting, so can I. I am St Kevin, after whom the Dublin workhouse was named. Children were abused so badly there by those who bought them for farm slave work, that the name had to be changed. It is now known as St James’ hospital. Of course, that scandal ended ages ago and we are on to the next puff of wind.

The Christian Brothers and the hordes who joined the nuns were also victims. They were head hunted from certain families and pushed into servitude as 13 year olds. The Brothers put their own nutcases in charge of the borstals, which had three kinds of inmates: unfortunates in for mitching and the like, budding Bugsy Malone scumbags and half right kids. Like all abusers, they groomed and picked their victims.

Having been screwed by their abusers,they are now being screwed by their lawyers and those who see them as pawns to attack the One, Holy and Apostolic Church, against which the fires of hell will never prevail.

You know, this would get more psots if we coud get an Old Firm angle into it. Did Neil Lennon go to the CBS?

What I don’t get is how an institution that professes celibacy can be entrusted with the care of children. What the hell do they know about bringing up children? They can’t even have sex for chrissakes.

The report has the reading of a horror story. The more you read it the more you begin to lose faith in ANY priest in Ireland. As far as I’m concerned, those who knew about the abuse but did nothing are equally as guilty.

Who beateth out of him (o’connell) the crap

It just goes to show you that nothing on this thread and all the sanctimonious nonsense you write was all that important to you. You’re a hypocritical bullshit artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zSgJx4tPM

The Lord speaketh his Prayer .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7i01GPs-hQ

‘you should be wary of insulting God or his Church.’

I was only aving a larf said Spike !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-IU-NQ8c14

JOC

Whilst you are at it, could you not help out some of the fishermen?
They are having a pretty rough time, and I am led to believe you were rather fond of them last time around.

[i]“Clearly you’re angry but you should be wary of insulting God or his Church.”[/i]

Does God’s church forbid to marry?

Does God’s church instruct to abtsain from meats?