UDA backing Conservatives Jim Nicholson?

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Carried as their lead story, the Sunday World the report that UDA Boss, John Bunting, has been helping out in the Ulster Conservatives and Unionist Euro election campaign.

The North Belfast Brigadier was reported to have been seen putting up posters of Jim Nicholson. Nicholson refused to comment directly, referring the papers editor Jim McDowell to the UUP Press office where a spokesperson said that it cannot be “interpreted as the UDA backing the UUP or the UUP backing the UDA.”

North Belfast MLA and SDLP European hopeful, Alban Maginness, said that he was “horrified” adding that he was “utterly shocked that a constitutional party like the Ulster Unionist Party would use or allow itself to be construed to be used by a paramilitary organisation.”

  • DUP

    Haha look at the stupid UUP they’re playing with terrorists.

    We’d never do that ‘onest

  • ??

    why has cameron not commented on one of his candidates being actively supported by terrorists?

  • New Blue

    ??

    I have picked up (from a very good source) that the church minister named in the article in the SW is speaking with solicitors today to have the ‘newspaper’ retract his name, as he has had no involvement with the comments attributed to him.

    Could the whole story be a bit of spin?

    Maybe give him a ring and ask him yourself, rather than following your ‘party line’.

    Or would the facts get in the way for you?

  • ??

    The refusal of empey or cameron speaks volumes. They dont seem bothered that armed terrorists are involved in their election campaign.

    Vote Conservative .. OR ELSE.

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew,

    “What you mean?

    You saying the story is lies?”

    You are not that thick Andrew, read my question again.

    And while you’re at it, why is the DUP’s main site, which is mainly normally comprised of attacks on either the UUP or TUV, ignoring this?

    “I love how UU’s are defending this!”

    Read the post on my own site concerning the matter from yesterday.

    “What does Cameron think I wonder”

    You really think, if the evidence was more than “reported”, we wouldn’t have had some kind of reaction from him by now? Think on how fast Pickles and Co moved against poor Jeffrey Peel.

    Now, which brings me back to my original question, why “only reported to have been seen”?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew,

    “What you mean?

    You saying the story is lies?”

    You are not that thick Andrew, read my question again.

    And while you’re at it, why is the DUP’s main site, which is mainly normally comprised of attacks on either the UUP or TUV, ignoring this?

    “I love how UU’s are defending this!”

    Read the post on my own site concerning the matter from yesterday.

    “What does Cameron think I wonder”

    You really think, if the evidence was more than “reported”, we wouldn’t have had some kind of reaction from him by now? Think on how fast Pickles and Co moved against poor Jeffrey Peel.

    Now, which brings me back to my original question, why “only reported to have been seen”?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew,

    “What you mean?

    You saying the story is lies?”

    You are not that thick Andrew, read my question again.

    And while you’re at it, why is the DUP’s main site, which is mainly normally comprised of attacks on either the UUP or TUV, ignoring this?

    “I love how UU’s are defending this!”

    Read the post on my own site concerning the matter from yesterday.

    “What does Cameron think I wonder”

    You really think, if the evidence was more than “reported”, we wouldn’t have had some kind of reaction from him by now? Think on how fast Pickles and Co moved against poor Jeffrey Peel.

    Now, which brings me back to my original question, why “only reported to have been seen”?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew,

    “What you mean?

    You saying the story is lies?”

    You are not that thick Andrew, read my question again.

    And while you’re at it, why is the DUP’s main site, which is mainly normally comprised of attacks on either the UUP or TUV, ignoring this?

    “I love how UU’s are defending this!”

    Read the post on my own site concerning the matter from yesterday.

    “What does Cameron think I wonder”

    You really think, if the evidence was more than “reported”, we wouldn’t have had some kind of reaction from him by now? Think on how fast Pickles and Co moved against poor Jeffrey Peel.

    Now, which brings me back to my original question, why “only reported to have been seen”?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew,

    “What you mean?

    You saying the story is lies?”

    You are not that thick Andrew, read my question again.

    And while you’re at it, why is the DUP’s main site, which is mainly normally comprised of attacks on either the UUP or TUV, ignoring this?

    “I love how UU’s are defending this!”

    Read the post on my own site concerning the matter from yesterday.

    “What does Cameron think I wonder”

    You really think, if the evidence was more than “reported”, we wouldn’t have had some kind of reaction from him by now? Think on how fast Pickles and Co moved against poor Jeffrey Peel.

    Now, which brings me back to my original question, why “only reported to have been seen”?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Once was quite enough to make my point!
    Can the moderator remove the other 4 posts?

  • New Blue

    ??

    Can you (or any other DUP spokeperson)advise me if the following is true.

    Did a member of your party today approach the minister / pastor named in the SW article and apologise for ‘including them’ in the article, as the member of your party in queston was quite aware that the minister / pastor had made no such comments?

    Why would your party member be apologising to the minister / pastor of the story were factual?

    A prompt response, as they say, would be appreciated.

  • Sever

    The issue is very simple – a senior paramilitary has been out putting up posters for a man who is advertised prominently on the Tory Party website as their candidate for Northern Ireland. Indeed a man who has recieved the personal blessing of Posh Boy DC. What possible justification does the UUP have for this?

    You may as well ask what justification Tina Turner has for Johnny Adair using “Simply The Best” as his theme song.

  • New Blue

    I guess there is no response coming from the cheap seats then?

    What will happen if this minister / pastor decides to follow the legal route and seek slander and/or defamation charges to be brought?

    Why would a well known DUP representative be making personal apologies to this minister / pastor if he had not done something wrong?

    Questions have been asked, where are the answers?

  • Brian MacAodh

    UDA/UVF etc were just plain thugs. If the state wanted to at anytime they could have been crushed them, they were hardly a professional terrorist force. yet they did not, they used them in their CO-IN campaign and looked the other way on hundrends of innocent citizens brutally murdered.

    That is the real crime of the troubles continually overlooked.

  • north belfast watcher

    New Blue

    You seem to be placing quite a lot of reliance on a variety of semantic defences that have been attempted by the UUP and various other, eg Jim Nicholson saying that the story wasn’t true “based on the information give to him”.

    Presumably the pastor simply needs to be asked whether or not he saw John Bunting out putting up posters for Jim Nicholson. It seems fairly straightforward. It would certainly save a lot of pin head dancing.

    I note that no-one from the local party or indeed Sir Reg has ventured a comment. Perhaps this is because a technical denial like the one Jim Nicholson used is not available to them?

    Also, John Bunting is no stranger to the media, yet he remains curiously tight lipped.

  • New Blue

    NBW

    The minister / pastor has refuted any knowledge of said incident.

    A prominent member of the DUP has apologised to said minister / pastor for including his name in the article.

    These are facts.

    I have already asked ?? to directly challenge the minister / pastor, a reques to which I am still waiting for a response.

  • ??

    yet they did not, they used them in their CO-IN campaign and looked the other way on hundrends of innocent citizens brutally murdered.
    …….

    more loyalists were arrested and convicted than republicans during their terror campaigns

  • New Blue

    ??

    Thought you’d gone away.

    Any answers to my questions?

    Why did your party colleague apologise to the minister / pastor?

    Are things ‘spinning’ out of control or is this just more DUPlicity?

  • oneill

    Andrew,

    Time for an update to your original post?

  • New Blue

    ??

    While you’re getting the answers for my earlier questions, could you find out if Diane and her friends who were (surprisingly) canvassing in North Belfast last night mentioned either the SW article or your parties apology to the minister / pastor for telling porkies about him?

  • ??

    new blue havent you seen the pictures of this guy “helping” the Tories?

  • New Blue

    Post me a link – I would love to see them.

    Why did your party colleague apologise?

    Why can’t you answer that question?

  • Comrade Stalin

    sever:

    You may as well ask what justification Tina Turner has for Johnny Adair using “Simply The Best” as his theme song.

    You don’t think it’s at all legitimate to ask why the UDA would want to support a UCUNF candidate who, on paper, is opposed to their very existence ?

  • New Blue

    ??

    Still waiting for links to those pics, and the answers to my questions.

    I hope you are realy good with photoshop.

  • Driftwood

    I was wondering about the photographs??? and the eye witness statements etc, I can’t seem to find this anywhere else. Am I missing something?
    I looked up John Bunting on Google:
    Snowtown murders – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This group was largely influenced by ringleader John Justin Bunting. Much detail was not made public with the cases having been subject to over 250 …
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowtown_murders – 70k – Cached – Similar pages -
    John Bunting – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 15 Jan 2009 … John Bunting may refer to: John Bunting (coach), former head football coach at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and former …
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    Obituary – 2002 John Bunting John Bunting, who has died aged 75, was a noted sculptor and engraver and a key figure at Ampleforth College and Abbey in North Yorkshire. …
    http://www.64-baker-street.org/obituaries/obit_2002_john_bunting.html – 17k – Cached – Similar pages -
    John Bunting : Oxford Biography Index entry Bunting, John (1839–1923), sharebroker and cotton spinner … D. A. Farnie, ‘Bunting, John (1839–1923)’, first published Sept 2004, 1820 words …
    http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101046792/ – 8k – Cached – Similar pages -
    The Bunting Society – Heritage Plaque for John Bunting’s House in … 5 Aug 2008 … A plaque has been placed on the house at 1 and 2 Hill Street, Hunstanton proclaiming that this was John Bunting’s House. …
    http://www.buntingsociety.org.uk/society/home/article.php?story=20080805023039934 – 23k – Cached – Similar pages -
    The Bunting Society – John Bunting (1836-1919) and his wife Sarah … John Bunting (1836-1919) and his wife Sarah Bunting ( nee Allen) and their 10 children outside Tower House in Hunstanton which now has a heritage plaque on …
    http://www.buntingsociety.org.uk/society/home/mediagallery/media.php?s=20080922003330927 – 24k – Cached – Similar pages -
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    OBITUARY:Sir John Bunting – Opinion – The Independent John Bunting, Secretary to the Australian Cabinet from 1959 to 1975 and Australian High Commissioner in London from 1975 to 1977, was the epitome of a civil …
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/obituarysir-john-bunting-1585416.html – 72k – Cached – Similar pages -

    Which one is he?

  • AJJM

    The article by Andrew Charles was very deceptive. He led us to believe that there were eyewitnesses and pictures. Perhaps the person I talked to in HQ was actually right.

    Lets see some evidence.

  • Driftwood

    No evidence, No story. It’s a smear.
    nothing here for Cameron to even hear of.

  • NB

    “No evidence”

    Unfortunately for UCUNF there was more than one person saw this occur.

  • Bigger Picture

    New Blue,

    Nice attempt to try and side step the issue and try to blacken others. The bottom line is that John Bunting, Brigadier of the North Belfast UDA, was out putting posters up for David Cameron in Northern Ireland.

    No matter who saw what, or who reported it to the News of the World those are the facts. Now let’s try and see you actually defend it, rather than spin your way out of it. You are fooling nobody. You come on here trying to be high and mighty about your Tory friends, when you are up to your eyes in pimps and drug dealers in North Belfast.

    Stick to the point and answer the criticsm.

  • Sever

    @Comrade Stalin

    You may as well ask what justification Tina Turner has for Johnny Adair using “Simply The Best” as his theme song.

    You don’t think it’s at all legitimate to ask why the UDA would want to support a UCUNF candidate who, on paper, is opposed to their very existence ?

    It’s a legitimate question to ask the UDA. However the question was “What possible justification does the UUP have for this?”. To which the correct answer is that they don’t have to give any justification. If Ian Brady starts sending you love letters then you don’t have to justify it to me.

    If the UUP are knowingly using the UDA to do campaigning that’s an issue. That the UDA north Belfast Brigadier supports the UUP does not in itself mean that the UUP have anything to justify. You can only justify your own acts. That was my point.

  • New Blue

    Bigger Picture

    Did you yourself see John Bunting putting posters up in North Belfast?

    Do you have someone is is prepared to go on record as having seen this?

    Is there photographic evidence as offered by ?? ?

    If this took place why did a prominent DUP member apologise to the minister / pastor who was supposed to have seen this?

    I am not sidestepping the issue, but neither am I taking the word of DUP members who are obviously covering up their part in this story.

    If there is proof then show it, otherwise stop the dirty tricks and get back to the election.

    DUP supporters could try to get some policies to campaign on, instead of mud slinging.

  • north belfast watcher

    New Blue,

    What would a prominent DUP member have to apologise for? Who is this person? Or are you just spoofing?

    I think the UUs are just trying to bluff the road in the hope that this all blows over before someone sticks a mike under Cameron’s nose.

  • Driftwood

    This guy..John Bunting..is a Brigadier?
    That’s quite a high rank,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade

    Surely someone in command of 2 – 5 Battalions (around 3000 men)would have lower ranks carrying out what seems a not especially difficult task.

    We’ll just have to wait until the evidence is provided I guess.

  • Mayoman

    Driftwood:
    “This guy..John Bunting..is a Brigadier?
    That’s quite a high rank,”

    Yeah, but driftwood, unionists are well known for their misplaced sense of superiority! ;)

  • Driftwood

    I thought the only Brigadier in Nothern Ireland was George Norton. Maybe it was him putting the posters up? Although the Army aren’t supposed to get involved in politics.
    Anyway the photographs will clarify this.

  • Brigadier John Bunting

    Tell ye what lads. With the bad back and whatnot I’ve not been putting any posters up this year. Though if I did, they’d be for thon hippy boy Agnew.

  • New Blue

    LET’S PUT THIS TO BED

    Official statement from the UUP

    The UUP has conducted extensive investigations into the allegation. On the basis of these investigations, we have issued the statement below:

    Over the past few days a number of newspapers have alleged that a ‘UDA commander’ or ‘UDA Brigadier’ was helping to put up posters for Jim Nicholson MEP in North Belfast.

    This is not true.

    Two community groups—the Tigers Bay Concerned Residents Association and Community Voice—have been working very closely with the Ulster Unionist Party over the past few years in the area, addressing socio-economic issues. Both groups have also been working closely with the PSNI, local churches and a wide range of other community groups.

    The Ulster Unionist Party has also been engaging with the Ulster Political Research Group (UPRG), seeking to persuade Loyalist paramilitaries to decommission and to direct themselves towards democracy and community politics.

    Members of the Tigers Bay and Community Voice groups volunteered to put up posters for Jim Nicholson. These groups have no links with the UDA.

    No UDA ‘Commander’ or ‘Brigadier’ put up posters for Jim Nicholson.

    Jim Nicholson commented:

    “The work being done by groups like Community Voice and TBCRA is vitally important if Northern Ireland is ever to move forward. It is important, too, that democratic political parties do everything they can to encourage people in these areas to participate in normal, everyday politics. And that means proving to them that normal, everyday politics works and addresses their concerns.

    “The Ulster Unionist Party has been at the forefront of these efforts and we will continue to do everything it can to ensure that paramilitarism (from whatever source) becomes a thing of the past; and that community politics is built around the needs and concerns of ordinary people.

    “The Ulster Unionist Party has been unstinting in its view that loyalist organisations must decommission and must cease all criminal activities. Most recently I repeated this call in the aftermath of the IMC Report. I want to see all sections of opinion in Northern Ireland embrace exclusively political and democratic politics. This means leaving behind – fully and permanently – the violence and criminality of the past”.

    If this does not finally put an end to the pathetic attempt by the DUP to undermine real poliical growth in Northern Ireland then I don’t know what will.

    ?? and crew – time to stop your ‘feet stomping’ and start accepting that the people of Northern Ireland have had enough of your blinkered view of the world.

  • Neil

    If this does not finally put an end to the pathetic attempt by the DUP to undermine real poliical growth in Northern Ireland then I don’t know what will.

    This is what gets my goat who the fuck are the UU to talk to anyone about real political growth in NI? Sorry, is the UU a brand new party with brand new ideas and no baggage? No, they’re the wankers that ran the country before this shower, so in essence they actually bear responsibility for the current situation and have offered nothing new other than the catchphrases about how they’re new. Changing politics requires more than just running about spouting about how you are changing politics, you need to actually do something.

    The truth is the UU’s have done nothing but shit recently, they’re on their way out due to their piss poor prior performance, and the whole ‘let’s change politics by being the same tired old men that we are’ line is simply a way of saying – We were shit we understand and you punished us for it by removing your votes, but now we’re new vote for us! – but there’s no change. It’s just poor old Reg standing there watching the party disintegrate.

    ?? and crew – time to stop your ‘feet stomping’ and start accepting that the people of Northern Ireland have had enough of your blinkered view of the world.

    Such arrogance! What has the UU done that makes them so far ahead of all the rest of us? How come we’re blinkered and the Ulster Unionist party are somehow the all seeing, all knowing mature political party? Joining forces with the Tories has been the only change from the blinkered sectarian politics of the Ulster Unionist Party, and what does that do? Alienate Nationalism in it’s entirety. Well done, very forward thinking, I see this is the new politics is it? Fuck’em fenians, let’s go back to how it was, then we can ignore the people that were actually voted into power, cause they’re ignoring us, and we have no power now.

  • info

    http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2006/03/04/uprg-hit-out-at-dup/

    John Bunting of the Westland UPRG said claims by the DUP that they had been working hard to secure further assistance were “wrong”.
    “Absolutely not, they only walk in at the last minute when it’s all over,” he told the North Belfast News.
    “Community groups are making a difference, not them with their huge political mandate
    “We are working at the forefront, we’re at the coalface. They are nowhere to be seen.
    “All they’re doing is making dynasties, all the Dodds, Paisleys and Robinsons.”
    The UPRG is actively involved in several projects with cross-community organisation Groundwork NI, the UPRG representative explained.
    “We have five projects in conjunction with Groundwork in Westland, North Queen Street, Ardoyne in conjunction with community groups and White City,” he said,
    “We’ve met with the Belfast Regeneration Office and DSD. We’ve also community houses opening up all across North Belfast offering advice.
    “We’re in the advanced stages of negotiating a kickaround at the Westland end at Waterworks, a pensioners’ garden is en route to open up in May and we’ve signed up to the Council’s bonfire programme.
    “In Tigers Bay and on the Limestone Road we’ve helped to set up a regeneration group which is trying to upgrade the houses and the look of the area.
    “There is a also lot of cross-community work going on as well as the community projects in loyalist areas of North Belfast that we’re involved in, and they [DUP] just walk in and claim all the credit. It’s just wrong. We’re making a huge contribution. They aren’t.”

  • Driftwood
  • Bigger Picture

    Haha we’ll see New Blue, the day your boy Cobain wins Westminster from Dodds, isn’t gonna happen anytime soon. The sad reality is you know that and your arrogant claim of thwarting political process will be met at the polls. I am glad to see that the pyscology of “Decent People Vote UUP” is alive and well.

    And in response to your previous questions, i think you know perfectly well that i don’t have any proof other than what has been said, and i don’t know the pastor or the DUP cllr from the area you are referring to, i don’t think that makes any odds to discussing a blog on slugger. I was not aware that that was a pre-requisite for entering into discussion, did i miss the memo Mick? The bottom line is that the News of the World is not some DUP aligned newsheet (just ask the Robinsons) and as such there is more ground to the story than merely mud slinging on a political website.

    And as for mud slinging, I am not the one who claimed to be talking to the good people of North Belfast and got views on how SF were the only party that could help them (4 comments you recitied if i remember). To come in and claim that the UUP are going to change North Belfast is arrogance from you in the extreme. Would i be wrong in saying that Fred Cobain MLA has an office in North Belfast? Has the quality of his work not been good enough? Or what about the 20-odd years of diservice by Cecil Walker? The bottom line is people in North Belfast and all across NI for that matter aren’t fooled, this is the same crowd who let us down before and this attitude that we are better while ignoring the fact that you were turfed out in disgrace only goes to show how the UUP have gone from bad to worse over the years.

    You want to debate issues, then come right ahead but don’t dare try and suggest that you haven’t been doing a fair amount of dirt yourself.

  • New Blue

    Bigger Picture

    Whilst I do not believe that knowledge of the issues is a requisite for you to post on Slugger, I do believe such knowledge is required before you rubbish other peoples comments.

    As for your comments which seem to be pointing at me ‘mudslinging’ by offering up my experience of talking to people in North Belfast, again, if you weren’t there how can you challenge.

    I am as happy to challenge things I see wrong within the UUP, (as I have done on a number of occasions on Slugger threads and beyond) as I am to challenge things I see wrong with other ‘party political’ activity.

    All I have done here is challenge the reality of a press article which claimed something which seems to be proven as untrue.

    As you may have noticed on other threads I am not given to acts of blinkered bigotry, not on the religious or party political fronts.

    The days of using the fear card to maintain a vote base are going for good.

    Cries of “we must top the poll” are no longer relevant, stupid attempts to undermine real chances to offer political alternatives will be ‘outed’.

    As I have posted previously, in my opinion, the UUP has a long way to go to be the party I think we deserve here in Northern Ireland, but the reason I am supporting them is because they have taken the first step in recognising that the union in bigger than these six counties.

    You bring real evidence of UUP wrong doing and I will call for action, don’t make up stories and falsehoods just because you are afraid of change.

  • http://threethousandversts.blogspot.com Chekov

    There’s a pattern emerging. Baseless accusations are made against Conservative / Ulster Unionist. Much ravening hysteria from the anti-Brit Ulster nat / Irish nat coalition. Accusation is queried. Cue much abuse about arrogance etc.

    The matter of evidence to support the allegation is entirely irrelevant to these people. See Bigger Picture for a classic example. He, by is own admission, couldn’t care less whether something can be sustained by evidence or not.

  • Bigger Picture

    Chekov,

    The damage is done to the UUP in this matter. If the story is wrong then i will wait for the News of the World to print a retraction. Just as you don’t believe every word in the News of the World neither am i going to believe every word in a UUP press statement. Let’s just see how it plays out before we rubbish it completely.

    “The days of using the fear card to maintain a vote base are going for good.

    Cries of “we must top the poll” are no longer relevant, stupid attempts to undermine real chances to offer political alternatives will be ‘outed’.”

    You see but that is not my point. My point is that you didn’t lose because you offered some bright rosy image that the DUP trashed, you lose because you ARE bloody useless. You let SF into government with no decomissioning, no support for the police, no support for the rule of law and you destroyed the RUC into the bargain. If you had succeeded you would still be the largest unionist party, but you failed.

    Your attempts to win back the support of mainstream unionism since has been pathetic and culminated in the most visual political suicide with the slogan “Decent People Vote Ulster Unionist”. In the meantime you have done nothing proactively on the ground to show that you are worthy of support, only empty rhetoric. If you met someone (as you claim) who said to you “I had to go to SF to get my house sorted.” Is that not evidence enough to show you that the UUP are clearly not providing for the electorate? Did you not say to him, why do you not go up to Fred Cobain, he is YOUR UUP MlA?

    You see that is your basic problem, you keep saying change, change, change, we are new, we have fresh ideas, when all anyone sees is the same bunch of UUP suits who let them down in Stormont and from your straw poll of North Belfast obviously don’t make much of an impact on the ground either.

    I would also like you to consider again your last sentence, when have i ever made up stories? I have merely commented on the facts of the matter as presented.

  • north belfast watcher

    New Blue

    Just to be clear – is your story now that John Bunting was putting the posters up in his capacity as member / founder / facilitator of one of these community groups, rather than in his capacity as Brigadier of the North Belfast UDA?

    I notice that you have gone from saying that the pastor had no knowledge of the comments to saying that he had no knowledge of the incident – what is that assertion based on? Has anyone spoken to the pastor?

    I also notice that you haven’t answered my last request to clarify who the mysterious DUP apologist is or what they would have to apologise for? Have you just made that up?

    Also, to be fair, “community groups engage in overtly political activities” isn’t the brightest defence in the world. It might be smart(ish) for Nicholson (by the way I would be surprised if he could find Tiger’s Bay) but it certainly isn’t smart for those groups. Could this be yet another example of the UUP using people for their own ends?

  • Bigger Picture

    Chekov,

    Just to be clear the whole of my last post is not meant for you, but is addressed to “New Blue”

    regards,

  • New Blue

    Bigger Picture

    May I start by apologising, my use of the word ‘you’ in the final paragraph of my last post was meant as a sweeping ‘you’ and not meant to target you personally.

    I am the first to agree that the UUP need to offer something real and different to the electorate of Northern Ireland, regardless of religion or culture.

    That is what I believe the partnership with the Conservatives will help to do.

    Not wanting to sound like a broken record but the UUP has a lot of work to do and a lot to prove before I would expect the people I spoke to last weekend to come and vote for us.

    That change is what I am working towards.

    There are people who have already left the party because they do not see the ‘bigger picture’, some because they do not want to see the sort of changes I am discussing here.

    There are many more who are joining because they want to add their voices to what we are saying.

    In my opinion, if we have to work for ten or even twenty years to prove to the electorate that we mean what we are saying, then so be it. Democracy is not about knee-jerk reactions – it’s about building trust and respect.

    As I have said on other threads, I would like to see the UUP that stands for the council and Stormont elections in 2011 to have already proven its desire to be a party for every Pro-Union supporter in Northern Ireland.

    A pipe dream? Maybe, but it’s one I’ll work my arse off trying to achieve.

  • New Blue

    NBW

    If you read the statement you will see what the party are saying.

    If you are at all closely watching North Belfast then you will know which local DUP ‘bigwig’ apologised to the Minister / Pastor. According to the Minister / Pastor the apology was for wrongly putting their name into the Sunday World article.

    Hope this helps

  • ??

    If you are at all closely watching North Belfast then you will know which local DUP ‘bigwig’ apologised to the Minister / Pastor. According to the Minister / Pastor the apology was for wrongly putting their name into the Sunday World article.

    WHICH LOCAL BIGWIG???

    and was john bunting putting up posters yes or no?

  • New Blue

    ??

    Good to see you back

    Ask your North Belfast Party (or maybe wait until this Sunday’s Sunday World) for the name of your ‘bigwig’

    Direct quote from the UUP statement;

    “No UDA ‘Commander’ or ‘Brigadier’ put up posters for Jim Nicholson.”

    Anything else I can enlighten you on?

  • ??

    new blue thats not what i asked, are you saying John Bunting did not put up posters. Yes or NO

  • Comrade Stalin

    Sever:

    It’s a legitimate question to ask the UDA. However the question was “What possible justification does the UUP have for this?”. To which the correct answer is that they don’t have to give any justification. If Ian Brady starts sending you love letters then you don’t have to justify it to me.

    If I was a public figure (like JN), then yes, people would be entirely entitled to know why Ian Brady was sending letters to me, and I would be expected to distance myself from it.

    Is it unreasonable to expect a democrat to distance himself from paramilitaries who appear to be showing their support ?

    By the way, if Jim were foolish enough to go on television and try to use the excuse you just suggested, he would lose the election.

  • northofnorth

    Tigers Bay is a UDA controlled area.
    Tigers Bay Concerned Residents Association is a UDA controlled grouping.
    The UPRG are a UDA controlled grouping.

    Members of the UDA rarely vote so this could be seen as a thinly veiled attempt at encouraging voting.

    No one cares about the UUP or whatever silly name they want to call themselves and in using Mr Bunting they are aligning themselves to someone who is almost as unpopular as the Egyptian brothers. What members of the UDA call Mr Bunting is unprintable but rhymes with spout and gout.

    Hope that helps.

  • north belfast watcher

    New Blue

    2 points:

    “No UDA ‘Commander’ or ‘Brigadier’ put up posters for Jim Nicholson.”

    That presumably leaves open the possibility that John Bunting carried the ladder, or carried the posters, but didn’t actually climb the ladder. Does he have vertigo?

    “According to the Minister / Pastor the apology was for wrongly putting their name into the Sunday World article.”

    Are we to take it from this then that the article in itself is correct, the only problem being that the pastor was readily identifiable (he wasn’t named)?

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    Andrew Charles,

    Still no update?

    So, in summary, what you’ve done here is blogged on an independent site on a topic so toxic that your party’s own website (presumably for very sound legal reasons) has studiously ignored.

    No links, no corroborating evidence, no updates.

    But that doesn’t matter because despite the toxicity of the subject, if, for whatever reason, lawyers get involved it’s not going to be the orange little arse of the DUP which is going to be smacked but, as I said at the start, the owner of an independent site.

    Do you not think you and your fellow DUP apparachniks owe Mick an apology on this?

  • ??

    oneil. this was a newspaper report – you want to gurn to to the Sunday World – but theres no reason to doubt what was printed

  • http://www.unionistlite.blogspot.com oneill

    ??

    I am aware it was a newspaper report but get someone to explain what this sentence from my last comment means:

    “No links, no corroborating evidence, no updates.”

  • http://threethousandversts.blogspot.com Chekov

    If I was a public figure (like JN), then yes, people would be entirely entitled to know why Ian Brady was sending letters to me, and I would be expected to distance myself from it.

    CS. The UUP has issued a press release categorically refuting the allegations. I’d say that is putting some distance between it and the ‘brigadier’.

  • north belfast watcher

    Still no response fro New Blue?

    Could this be because someone is still trying to concoct another verbal sidestep?

  • Driftwood

    http://www.sundayworld.com/

    Nothing here about this ‘story’. Maybe someone could ring 1 of the many ‘Psychics Helplines’ on offer to get answers. Or check out Paris Hiltons website. Is this actually a newspaper?

  • New Blue

    North Belfast Watcher

    Very cheeky of you sir.

    You are, I am sure, aware that I responded to your comments on another thread.

    This matter has been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be nothing more than the construct of over active, DUPlicious individuals.

  • New Blue

    Obviously, that was DUPlicitous

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