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Avoiding the Feud

Tue 10 March 2009, 4:06pm

Ed Moloney writes today of the position SF is now in with regards towards dissident republicans. John Ware offers similar analysis from another perspective. Martin McGuinness, as reported by Sky News, is now calling those involved in the current actions as “traitors to the island of Ireland”. This kind of language inflames tensions and can lead to a feud within Republicanism. Those who do not agree with the resumption of armed struggle but who also do not agree with the failed politics of Sinn Fein that would have republicans informing or collaborating with British state strategy have to show leadership now. Republicans do not have to inform nor do they have to support a resumed campaign whose ultimate end is futile.

Within the Republican community, those who are against armed struggle must make their voices heard. The peace process for all its faults has provided the political space to advance republicanism or at least its ideals. If republicanism is not dead, now is the time for the political alternative to stand up and offer a different way. A return to armed conflict and a bloody feud within Republicanism is not the answer.

Martin McGuinness, shoulder to shoulder with Hugh Orde (video): “These people are traitors”

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  1. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Vision Razor

    Well we certainly wont do like PSF

    (1). Robbing banks

    (2). Smugglin drugs into dublin

    Etc

    Just watch the name calling mo chara it is hurting me!!! Oooh

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  2. picador says:

    a Ruairí

    Dúirt mé gurb iontas orm más Gaeilgeoir thú.

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  3. Greagoir O' Frainclin says:

    Rory of South Derry,

    …but from your posts it appears that you greatly misunderstand Republican ideology, as alot of folk like yourself do.

    BTW, do you like Padraig Pearse’s poetry?

    Did you know that kids who pull wings off flies and are cruel to pets normally grow up to be unstable and violent adults.

    Do you get easily angry Rory?

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  4. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    I am not interested in ya!

    Run to Mick to Fight your battles

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  5. Rory (South Derry) says:

    greagoir o frainclin

    Controlled Resistance – not anger!

    who are you a head doctor???

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  6. picador says:

    a Ruairí

    Dúirt tú gur Gaeilgeoir thu.

    An Gaeilgeoir thú?

    Tabhair dúinn an fhírinne.

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  7. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    Go Away mo chara for your own good

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  8. Vision Razor says:

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    Vision Razor

    Well we certainly wont do like PSF

    (1). Robbing banks

    (2). Smugglin drugs into dublin

    Etc

    Just watch the name calling mo chara it is hurting me!!! Oooh
    Posted by Rory (South Derry) on Mar 10, 2009 @ 11:40 PM[/i]

    So that’s a no then, you don’t actually understand the principals of a Republic. It’s not name calling when it’s true, doing time for a cause you don’t understand is pretty retarded. Lastly I’m no friend of yours, boy.

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  9. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Vision Razor

    I not boy you moron and well used to putting twats like you in your place

    Go and play your peace game with someone who gives a shit

    2 Dead Brits & Cop who cares!

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  10. pól says:

    Judging by that thinly veiled threat to picador, violence must be your answer to everything you don’t understand Rory.

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  11. pól says:

    Oh, and the irony of following “I not boy” with the accusation that Vision Razor is a moron.

    That’s two languages that you can’t use then.

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  12. picador says:

    Vision

    So that’s a no then, you don’t actually understand the principals of a Republic.

    That’s not the only thing he doesn’t understand.

    a Ruairí, mo chara

    Creidim nach gaeilgeoir thú ach is bréagadoir thú.

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  13. Craoibh Rua says:

    Over recent days, actions by armed Republicans have been met with ritualistic statements of condemnation, using all the well rehearsed sound bites such as “criminals” and “micro groups”. Yet in spite of all the trite choreographed ‘singing from the same Hymn sheet’ from careerist politicians, nothing has been done other than to show that both governments and politicians employed here have failed utterly to learn the lessons of the past.

    The use of emotive language, total ‘condemnation’ and calls for the vigorous pursuit of ‘criminals’ – is not only ineffective – it completely fails to take in or give recognition to the core reasoning behind these events. What it does do however is to provide “justification” and backdrop for a return to the use of failed British policies such as area saturation, road blocks, house raids, brutal interrogation techniques, internment, show trials and ‘shoot-to-kill’. This will achieve nothing other than to breed resistance

    What the Republican Network for Unity would say is needed is an end to these thunderous calls for severe repression and imprisonment. A comprehensive review, to give a measured, in depth look at the failed project known as the Good Friday Agreement. Until such an exploration is conducted with a resultant clear and concise set of proposals, to which all parties to the conflict can meaningfully engage….then there will remain those who feel that the only avenue open to them is to pursue the aims and objectives of British disengagement and the re-unification of our country through the use of armed struggle.

    Danny Mc Brearty, National Chairperson of the Republican Network for Unity.

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  14. Seimi says:

    A Phicadóir a chara,
    ní Gaeilgeoir é Ruairí – is geallt é! Ná lig d’amadán mar sin cur isteach ort.

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  15. pól says:

    [i]to which all parties to the conflict can meaningfully engage….then there will remain those who feel that the only avenue open to them is to pursue the aims and objectives of British disengagement and the re-unification of our country through the use of armed struggle.[/i]

    Doesn’t the ability to vote for representatives at Stormont allow disaffected parties to meaningfuly engage? We live in a democracy. Fair enough, in my, and many others, opinion, the way this country was carved apart 90years ago was highly undemocratic, but we do have a means to change that through our elected representatives. The absolute lack of support for the likes of RSF shows that the people of the North of Ireland are content with the current situation, and happy to work within the parameters of the GFA to achieve their ultimate aims.

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  16. Rory (South Derry) says:

    A Phicadoir agus Seimi

    Gabhaim pardún agat mo charas???

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  17. iluvni says:

    Rory,
    If you feel McGuinness has labelled you as a traitor, what are you planning to do about it?

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  18. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Iluvni

    Ignoring the C^^t is the general intension!

    The man is a sad effort given that he was once a Freedom Fighter now turned British Civil Servant!

    Sure he will be too busy attending the funerals of Brits – leave him too it!

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  19. picador says:

    What it does do however is to provide “justification” and backdrop for a return to the use of failed British policies such as area saturation, road blocks, house raids, brutal interrogation techniques, internment, show trials and ‘shoot-to-kill’. This will achieve nothing other than to breed resistance

    Take note unionists. This is what they want to happen.

    What the Republican Network for Unity would say is needed is an end to these thunderous calls for severe repression and imprisonment.

    Who is calling for such things? Society at large know that’s the dissidents want.

    BTW I think that should be spelt ‘craobh rua’ rather than ‘craoibh rua’. Forgive me if I am wrong.

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  20. Seimi says:

    ‘Gabhaim pardún agat mo charas???’

    A Ruairí a chara,

    cén chiall atá leis an mhéid thuasluaite? Ar mhiste leat é a aistriú dom? Mar ní thuigim cad atá a rá agat. Tá barúil agam, ach ba mhaith liom a bheith cinnte. Míle buíochas :)

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  21. picador says:

    Rory,

    What about the big house and the five acres?

    Was that true?

    And the top of the range Dell computer?

    Surely you weren’t lying about that too?

    A Sheimi,

    Tá me ag gáire. Is geallt é :)

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  22. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    I am the real deal and so is the movement which is growing as an alternative to Sinn Feins failed solution to achieving re-unification of the country

    And by the way it was 8 acres.

    People have been betrayed by words from people who are now more interested in self gratification than Irish Unity

    I stood at the gravesides of many dead comrades and this is not what they/we fought for!

    The desire to end British engagement in Ireland is not being dragged into an insignificant arena where it will be buried in bullshit in such a place as Stormont.

    I am not prepared to get into a slanging match in Irish tonight but would meet you with many other disgruntled people publically to show you written promises that the ard chomhairle made to former volunteers pre the Extraordinary Ard Fheis on Policing in Dublin

    These are the things that drove us all away from the Provos!

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  23. NCM says:

    Rory, why not join eirigi and use politics to achieve your goals without resort to violence?

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  24. picador says:

    Rory,

    Why did you say you can speak Irish when you can’t?

    You are clearly not the real deal.

    People like you give the Irish language a bad name.

    Indeed people like you give Ireland a bad name.

    Oíche mhaith

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  25. Rory (South Derry) says:

    NCM

    Eirigi lacks credibility and the type of politics is more aligned in a lot of their thinking to the Workers Party

    There are a lot of good people there but no real direction yet

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  26. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    If I met you I would conduct the entire meeting in Irish

    But obviously you do not want to hear how badly we have been betrayed and Martin McGuinnesses personal guarantees that have been broken

    The PIRA in South Derry had beaten the brits to standstill for years and our people were shit on from a height by MmcG, GA and PDoc who sworn blind on certain matters

    But no one wants to listen so there is no alternative for people than to fight

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  27. Peter Fyfe says:

    Rory,

    May I ask what you mean by a united ireland or what you mean when you call yourself a republican, I am quite confused as they do not correlate with what you are saying? Did you even refer to a socialist republic?

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  28. NCM says:

    Rory: “Eirigi lacks credibility and the type of politics is more aligned in a lot of their thinking to the Workers Party”

    ***

    Certainly they have a heck of a lot more credibility than the folks you are suggesting hold the answer.

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  29. skinbop says:

    …and the troll of the year award goes to…

    first name Rory.
    second name Mitty?

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  30. Seimi says:

    I fear that ‘Mitty’ may be too light and restrained a nomenclature to adopt in this case…

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  31. USA says:

    Well, well, well.
    I think our non Irish speaking friend “Rory” may have had a bottle of “Irish” sitting beside his Dell last night.
    Wonder how he is feeling today.

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  32. Exile1 says:

    Rory,

    Who gave you the right to determine how Ireland is united?
    You think because you carried an armalite and served time it makes you somehow qualified to pontificate (look it up) to nationalists like me how we should move forward? You and your fellow travellers have done more than any loyalist to ensure that Irish unification is further away than ever.

    If you’re seriously interested in unity, how about putting the hard talk in storage and trying to build bridges with protestants instead of blowing them up? Your talk of Catholic, Dissenter etc. is a well-rehearsed crock and you know it. (Buying your steak from your protestant butcher doesn’t count but I’ll give you half-a-star for encouragement).

    I’m afraid it’s all about revenge and bitterness with you. If the British and loyalists all disappeared from N.I. tomorrow, you’d find some other target to be bitter about. An internal feud in RSF would materialise to keep you and the lads trigger-happy.

    I’ll say this… If British troops appear on the streets again it will be yours and the rest of your sorry crew’s fucking fault and no one else’s. It’s what you desperately want to happen. You’re some republican all right.

    By the way, your “witty” banter and “mo chara” b.s. isn’t fooling anyone.

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  33. Rory (South Derry) says:

    USA

    Dia duit ar maidin (Good Morning)

    An Bhfuil Gaeilge agat (Do you speak Irish)

    Do you ever read anything – I do not drink!

    Siemi

    Gle mhaith mo chara! Dún do bheal!

    Ni raibh am agam scriobh go dti seo

    Ni ceart go cur le cheile

    Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde

    I am not going away – non of us will be until the brits decamp and leave us all to sort out the plastic mess that the Provos have created – The glorious false dawn!

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  34. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    Dia duit ar maidin mo chara

    Bi ciuin! Ta tinneas cinn orm.

    Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde

    Go hifreann leat!

    Slan

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  35. Seimi says:

    A Ruairí a chara,
    Is dóigh liom go dtiocfadh leat a theacht ar na haibirtí sin in aon leabhar scoile, cé go bhfuil go leor meancóga sa mhéad atá scríofa agat. Má tá Gaeilge agat, déan an mhéad seo a aistriú dom le do thoil.

    Nice try though.

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  36. Robert says:

    “beaten the Brits to a standstill”, fantasy, pure fantasy.

    I was in the police in County Londonderry and lived there too. The Republican terrorists were only ‘brave’ when in a gang taking on lone individuals or killing men, women and children by bomb.

    Funnily enough the only people brave enough to openly wear uniform and declare their intent were the police and army. Terrorists skulked in the shadows.

    When dealt with face to face the terrorists showed themselves to be the craven cowards they were. A memory of that time is the smell of their shit as they usually filled their pants went caught.

    I see their fantasy lives persist to this day.

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  37. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Robert

    If your little statements are true

    Explain not being able to operate openly in

    Swatragh
    Maghera
    Gulladuff
    Glenullin
    Dungiven
    Draperstown
    Bellaghy
    Ballymaguigan
    Slaughtneil
    Feeney
    Craigbane
    Park

    And I never was stopped or harrassed in 15 years on any part of the Glenshane Pass – you boys simply did not go there!!!

    Our people hemmed you into your reinforced stations and the helicopters lifted and laid you day and night

    Your answers would be very interesting

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  38. Neil says:

    What a brutal thread. SF have brought the majority of their people with them when they moved away from violence. Rory is one of the ones that were left behind. Ah well, you can’t win em all.

    And when one person declares he has the right to bear arms, and he has arms to bear, then what’s the point in arguing. His utterance of the words ‘the right to bear arms’ is much the same as me saying ‘I can fly’; they are just words not backed up by any fact.

    A right is not something you can do; or something you want to do. The governments and people of ROI, NI and the UK do not give you the right, so you don’t have it other than in your own mind.

    I’m not even concerned really with your content Rory, more with the fact that some people will use your posts as confirmation of their views on Republicans; while you are obviously not representative of Republicanism, merely with the miniscule faction which you consider yourself a part of.

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  39. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Just seen that Mick Fealty on Sky

    Finally a face gets put to the name!

    See the Sky Presenter had to shut him up at the end!

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  40. Neil says:

    Picador

    Go Away mo chara for your own good

    Posted by Rory (South Derry) on Mar 10, 2009 @ 11:56 PM

    He’s probably shitin’ himself now he’s been identified. You gonna put the squeeze on him next?

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  41. Seimi says:

    Seans ar bith ar an aistriúchán sin a Ruairí?

    Didn’t think so.

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  42. Robert says:

    Again dream on Rory.

    The police district was split by the Glenshane Pass and I worked on the Toome side. There was no area that I did not patrol.

    I dealt with crime, including terrorist crime, road traffic offences and other police work.

    Your vision of a People’s Republic of South Derry is nonsense. No provos patrolling openly, even tricolours were raised at night!

    I recall one report of an illegal roadstop at Maghera with provos threatening drivers. It lasted all of ten minutes, they ran off before we arrived having struck a blow for Ireland by punching a 63 year-old in the face. His crime? Being a car driver and a Protestant.

    Who caught you and put you in prison, the Little People?

    Your time is over, you lost. Just get on with your life.

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  43. picador says:

    Rory,

    Do you ever read anything – I do not drink!

    How long have you been off your medication?

    And where did you find the Irish phrase book?

    Anyway, I’m away into the town to protest against bloodthirsty fascists and the infantile muppets who support them.

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  44. Neil says:

    See ye there Picador

    ; – >

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  45. ArchiePurple says:

    NO SUPPORT?
    Everyone knows that those killers who murdered PSNI Contable Carroll and the two young British Army Sappers have no support. Right?

    So, last night parts of Criagavon were sealed off as gangs rioted on the streets. There were no arrests.

    This is part of the problem that dare not speak its’ name.

    Certain republican areas are police-free zone and in this regard parts of Craigavon fall smack into this accursed category. For years I have been driving past this area to visit family who live nearby, and the portents are always grim. Irish tricolours hoisted from lamp-posts, anti-police grafitti daubed on walls, rubble on the road from stone-throwing “youths” – it’s a cess-pit of republican intolerance. I feel sorry for anyone forced to live amongst such hatred but yet you can see a new generation have been brought up to be as intolerant as the forebears. That’s tragic.

    The PSNI has a practise if not a policy of staying out of such areas. Yesterday I heard local nationalist politician, SDLP MLA Dolores Kelly, insist that the worst thing that could be done would be for the forces of law and order to react “too strongly” as this would only “alienate” the “local community” and so “help” the “dissidents.”

    What she means is that regardless of murder, the police would do best to keep out of some areas. I argue exactly the opposite – the police should be in EVERY area. They are the custodians of the rule of law and no part of Northern Ireland should be seen to be a place apart. Local republicans should be falling over themselves to help the police do their job. They should also accept that the British Army has a perfect right to help the police in the pursuance of fighting terrorism. You will recall last week – before these murders – that nationalists and republicans united in opposing any such move.

    The reality of the current situation is that the current bunch of active republican killers DO enjoy the support and succour of elements with the republican areas that shelter them. They do not enjoy any political support – but then again they do not care about that. Like the IRA from 1969 onwards, their primary aim is to cause death and mayhem. They see how the IRA was lavishly rewarded for that and I suppose they see this a minimum risk strategy. The IRA murdered thousands and yet we are told we must forget about these people, “leave the past behind” is the preferred euphemism. How long and how many deaths to come before we are invited to leave this current batch of deaths behind?

    No support?

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  46. bootsy says:

    Jackarory (South Dakota)-I have to laugh at your revisioniam when you laud South Derry as a ‘no go’ area. You boys had more leaks than a colander and couldn’t finish a Fish Supper, never mind a war..

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  47. picador says:

    Rory meet Archie.

    Archie meet Rory.

    May you become good caras.

    Archie, dye spake tha hamely tang yersalf?

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  48. Oilifear says:

    The only upside, if there can be an upside to murder, to the slaying of these three men is that in their murders the dissidents have exposed how isolated and periphery they are. The difference between violence then and violence now is that now unionists and nationalists stand side-by-side to face these monsters down.

    It was rightly asked on Saturday night if these murders would draw us all back into conflict. The answer, we can see, is an unequivocal ‘no’. This is not because of what McGuiness has said, but because it is the consensus – in Northern Ireland, on this island, across these islands.

    We have crossed back over the Rubicon and have left these dinosaurs to die angrily on the other side. These murders were their death rattle. We have moved on and there will be no drawings us back now.

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  49. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Bootsy

    South Derry had the LOWEST number of IRA casualtys during the conflict and the smallest number of convicted prisoners! (Facts not fiction)

    The South Derry Roll of Honour has 10 people on it!

    Francis Hughes & Dominic McGlinchey became 2 of the most feared revolutions to ever fight in the struggle

    Why don’t you go and rob a Bank or Sell Drugs (Thats all the Provos are capable of now) – If we are such muppets why don’t the Provos put us in our place???? The Cowards!

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  50. bootsy says:

    ‘South Derry had the LOWEST number of IRA casualtys during the conflict and the smallest number of convicted prisoners! (Facts not fiction)’

    That is because they were all touts or armchair soldiers like yourself, Rory.

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  51. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Bootsy

    That is a comment that does not phase me!

    South Derry was a strong republican heartland that the Brits failed constantly to penetrate

    You are scumbag from belfast no doubt – go and rob a bank after you pick up your british giro!

    Sure Martin McGuinness is widely suspected of being a tout (And he is City Man) – stop digging a hole you tramp!

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  52. Greagoir O' Frainclin says:

    Rory from South Derry still ranting on. Those murders at the weekend has really fired you up, haven’t they boy. Orgasmic for you, is it?
    And I see that you’ve consulted your Irish dictionary since last night too. Maith an buachaill.

    BTW does your history book go as far as 1921 Or is it 1972? Is there alot of pages missing? You are not really a republican either, despite all your posturing, for you really don’t know or understand anything about it. Probably just know whatever your daddy told you.

    So, you are going to unite Ireland. BTW, how are you going to unite ‘themmuns’ you know, the Unionists, with us. By shooting them, is it? Will they be happy to submit to your murder and violence? There are 800,000 and odd people of NI class themselves as British citizens. And you with your rants is advocating the murder or removal of these British people in Ireland. Either you are very, very stupid or you are a psychopath or sociopath of sorts.

    But then, I find your comments overall disturbing, for I have never seen such an advocate of murder here on Slugger before, such as yourself Rory.

    But your rants imply that you are a teenager. Hey, why not lighten up, get out a bit more. Why not get a girl friend?
    Padraig Pearse was a bit of a nerdy character too, who ranted on a bit. A very religious and devout type of chap, non-drinker and more than likely very boring, he was definitely a sociopath. Advocating blood sacrifices and all that is not healthy. In Germany today we witnessed another sociopath on the rampage as he murdered innocent people because of his own inadequacies and personality deficits. Some folk who are low achievers cloak personal failings and shortfalls in nationalism or religion too. It helps make them feel important. I get that vibe from you.

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  53. bootsy says:

    I think you mean ‘faze’ and not ‘phase’, firstly.

    Secondly, me not scumbag from ‘Big Smoke’,Belfast.

    No heists or Giros in my track record, either.

    Please give evidence of the major operational ‘successes’ of the South Derry Brigade that you have attached yourself to, limpet-like.

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  54. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Greagoir OFrainclin

    The pot calling the kettle Black pal! (with the ranting)

    And you need to read back

    I am in my 40s married and learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested

    The occupation features in every generation and must be brought to an end somewhere

    Every generation of republicanism has be sold out again and again but we continue to strive for our gaol

    People mock and belittle our struggle but that will NEVER deter us

    Martin McGuinness proved the actions of RSF in 1986 right on the steps of sormont yesterday – The man is a “Traitor to the Cause” and probably a long term informer of the highest character – The shame The Shame!

    So go play with your new found friends in stormount a chara and leave us to it!

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  55. picador says:

    Wasn’t Sandy Lynch from south Derry?

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  56. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Picador

    Sandy Lynch was a Belfast man who lived for very short time in Magherafelt – FACT!

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  57. bootsy says:

    Please give evidence of the major operational ‘successes’ of the South Derry Brigade that you have attached yourself to, limpet-like.

    It’s all gone quiet on this one-no list yet, Jackarory?

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  58. Harris says:

    Haven’t read all the posts here, but has anyone posted about what the ramifications would have been had the police officer been a protestant instead of a catholic?

    Now before you go ranting, bear in mind that i feel it should not matter, but we’re talking about NI here, so it definitely does.

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  59. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Harris

    A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.

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  60. Harris says:

    “A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.”

    Understood, Rory, but what, if any, ramifications do you think would have come from the Loyalist paras?

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  61. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Harris

    I think that the current fight by Republicans is not intended to be a sectarian one

    I think that they would appear to only be focusing on Military targets

    Now if the UDA and their mobs get involved then that is purely sectarian and pure hatred!

    What exactly did the loyalists eve fight for – they just purely hated catholics

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  62. bootsy says:

    ‘A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.’

    This guff from the idiot who earlier extoled the virtues of that notorious sectarian killer, Dominic McGlinchey.

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  63. Sarah Lavender says:

    Rory

    >learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested

    Irish history maybe but clearly not British history. It didn’t exist before 1707.

    Irish involvement in England goes back to the 4th and 5th centuries when Ireland raided the western coasts (or had you forgotten that Saint Patrick was an English slave?). But those were violent times. Most of us have evolved somewhat since then – the exception being some outdated imperialist forces within Westminister and, apparently, you.

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  64. Harris says:

    “Now if the UDA and their mobs get involved then that is purely sectarian and pure hatred!”

    But wouldn’t this play right into dissident strategy? Is it not their goal to disrupt,divide and bring down Stormont? Wouldn’t Loyalist para involvement set back any so-called peace?

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  65. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Harris

    The mindset in my view is to bring down Stormont – If loyalists start a religious war well that is a different thing!

    Religion and nationality should be keep seperate

    But no doubt the Loyalist thugs who hate catholics will use this as an excuse and who knows maybe the brits may use them to do their bidding? (as they did for 30 years)

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  66. Harris says:

    “It didn’t exist before 1707.”

    Whaa?? What do you mean it didn’t exist before 1707, Sarah?

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  67. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Harris

    Sarah clearly thinks the bold fenian men were little green men in a fairytale story

    She may even be english – cause they all seem to have a short memory

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  68. Sarah Lavender says:

    Rory

    >Sarah clearly thinks the bold fenian men were little green men in a fairytale story

    >She may even be english – cause they all seem to have a short memory

    I was saying that your knowledge of British history did not match your self-avowed knowledge of Irish history if you think that there were any such people as ‘The British’ before the Act of Union in 1707.

    As for short memories, I told you I was English yesterday when I asked if, according to your philosophy, I should rock up outside my local army camp in SW England with some firearms because I happen to want England to leave the Union.

    But thanks for displaying your racist credentials. Any more crass and puerile comments you’d like to make about the people of my nation while you’re about it?

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  69. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Sarah

    Get your army to leave and declare intent to disengage darlin and we will never have to speak again

    Hows that for a deal?

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  70. Sarah Lavender says:

    Rory

    >Get your army to leave and declare intent to disengage darlin and we will never have to speak again

    Ain’t my army. They’re the British army. I ain’t British, I’m English.

    I’m flattered you think I have the power to tell the British army where to put its bases.

    Believe me, I’ve no more desire to be a subject of the Crown rather than a citizen of my own nation than you. But as countless people have told you, there are bloodless means of doing this.

    And I am not, and never will be your darlin.

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  71. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Sarah

    Ah calm down

    I know you have no control over your Army

    But you like most British people really do no want the hassle do you really

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  72. bootsy says:

    The English, Protestants, loyalists, the unemployed,the Provos,Eirigi,the Workers Party, People from Belfast, people from Derry, people from cities (any city will do), even Mick Fealty!!-they’ve all had a turn from Rory, the keyboard Warrior of Erin.
    - He’s lethal from 3 yards with his wee mouse on his nice new computer.
    He’s gonna type his way to a United Ireland!
    -we’re all quacking in our boots…or not as the case maybe….

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  73. Sarah Lavender says:

    >But you like most British people

    So your national identity is valid and mine isn’t, is that it?

    >really do no want the hassle do you really

    If that was the case, what am I doing on this blog? I, like most _English_ people I talk to don’t feel its my right to tell Irish people what to do with their country despite viewing partition as wrong. All I can do, and do do, is campaign on behalf of English poeple against the Union.

    But I at least respect that, at present, there is a slight majority in favour of maintaining the Union as it currently exists. I will work to persuade them that the Union is not in their best interests, not attempt to force them out of it against their will.

    What are you doing Rory, to achieve your objectives? Or are you too busy attacking anybody who disagrees with you to do anything constructive?

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  74. Rory (South Derry) says:

    bootsy

    Have you not robbed that bank yet???

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  75. Harris says:

    Sarah

    “I will work to persuade them that the Union is not in their best interests.”

    Just curious, but what sort of accomodation do you forsee that would ever persuade unionists that the union is not in their best interest?

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  76. Ingram says:

    Rory,

    Seems like you have been taking a bit of flack my old friend.

    Ding Ding

    Regards

    Ingram

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  77. Sarah Lavender says:

    Harris

    >what sort of accomodation do you forsee that would ever persuade unionists that the union is not in their best interest?

    Its my experience that many English people, for whom unionism is just a default position rather than a selected philosophy, are waking up to the reality that the Union has functioned to maintain, first, the Empire and later the Union, and despite being dominated by people who happen to be English, has never had representing the general English public as its core aim. Having now seen the impact of the dedicated nation-oriented parliaments/assemblies in its neighbouring countries, nationalist interests are awakening and unionism is declining.

    Salmond may not get the referendum result he wants in 2012, but he’ll get it eventually, and Wales is liking it’s bit of autonomy and wanting more.

    I believe Unionists in NI will eventually see re-unification with Ireland as less threatening than being part of a UK which is tearing itself apart.

    Although I reckon it won’t be by 2016… more like 2056.

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  78. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Ingram

    I am a bit nervous about havin you as a friend (Martin McGuiness was once a friend)

    But Bootsy is a paid up wee provo (whos got a Bank Robbibg fetish) and as for Picador well what can i say – he wants to run the Workers Party!

    The worlds gone mad and we are still stuck with the Brits for now

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  79. Ingram says:

    Rory,

    Lol . Good to hear you are well.

    You have a right to your opinion !good job you are no longer a shinner you would be drummed out for dissent ! LOL

    Ding Ding

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  80. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Sarah

    Please be careful with this quote:-

    “Although I reckon it won’t be by 2016… more like 2056″

    It may appear on a Sinn Fein Election Manifesto – you know what they are like!

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  81. Harris says:

    Ingram

    Any old books on the horizon??

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  82. Greagoir O' Frainclin says:

    “I am in my 40s married and learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested”

    Ah, go on outta that, by admitting that you are in your 40′s, and that’s very hard to believe too, it’s rather incredible for a man of your age to hold such undeveloped thoughts for you come across as very immature regarding your utterings.

    BTW, very clichéd and timeworn answer regarding Irish history. ‘Not good enough’, as your school teacher would say. ‘Must try harder’.

    “So go play with your new found friends in stormount a chara and leave us to it!”

    …and leave you and them to what?…. murdering people?

    When it all boils down, your blinkered vision of a United Ireland is a dystopian nightmare!

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  83. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Greagoir

    Patronising Drivel coming out of you to say the least!

    Go and get yourself a paint brush and get yourself up the falls along with the other Shinners

    And you wonder why people hate you clowns!

    That history was good enough to get PSF a mandate and they abused and dishonoured it

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  84. bootsy says:

    A new Dawn but still no sign of the list from Jackarory of the great achievements of ‘his’ South Derry Brigade-quelle surprise…

    The ‘man’ is a troll and an indequate fantasist of the highest order.

    Time to stop feeding the troll so I’ll let him keep typing his way towards the return of the Fourth Green Field-Bye,Jacka…

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  85. Rory (South Derry) says:

    Bootsy

    Yah little PROVO – Have yah robbed that Bank yet?

    The Action of South Derry have been clearly laid out in:-

    Gerry-Adams-does-not-have-a-Monopoly-on-the-theology-of-Republicanism

    Stop throwing stones in your own green house

    Try keeping up my former Comrade!

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