Avoiding the Feud
Ed Moloney writes today of the position SF is now in with regards towards dissident republicans. John Ware offers similar analysis from another perspective. Martin McGuinness, as reported by Sky News, is now calling those involved in the current actions as “traitors to the island of Ireland”. This kind of language inflames tensions and can lead to a feud within Republicanism. Those who do not agree with the resumption of armed struggle but who also do not agree with the failed politics of Sinn Fein that would have republicans informing or collaborating with British state strategy have to show leadership now. Republicans do not have to inform nor do they have to support a resumed campaign whose ultimate end is futile.
Within the Republican community, those who are against armed struggle must make their voices heard. The peace process for all its faults has provided the political space to advance republicanism or at least its ideals. If republicanism is not dead, now is the time for the political alternative to stand up and offer a different way. A return to armed conflict and a bloody feud within Republicanism is not the answer.
Martin McGuinness, shoulder to shoulder with Hugh Orde (video): “These people are traitors”
Bootsy
That is a comment that does not phase me!
South Derry was a strong republican heartland that the Brits failed constantly to penetrate
You are scumbag from belfast no doubt – go and rob a bank after you pick up your british giro!
Sure Martin McGuinness is widely suspected of being a tout (And he is City Man) – stop digging a hole you tramp!
Rory from South Derry still ranting on. Those murders at the weekend has really fired you up, haven’t they boy. Orgasmic for you, is it?
And I see that you’ve consulted your Irish dictionary since last night too. Maith an buachaill.
BTW does your history book go as far as 1921 Or is it 1972? Is there alot of pages missing? You are not really a republican either, despite all your posturing, for you really don’t know or understand anything about it. Probably just know whatever your daddy told you.
So, you are going to unite Ireland. BTW, how are you going to unite ‘themmuns’ you know, the Unionists, with us. By shooting them, is it? Will they be happy to submit to your murder and violence? There are 800,000 and odd people of NI class themselves as British citizens. And you with your rants is advocating the murder or removal of these British people in Ireland. Either you are very, very stupid or you are a psychopath or sociopath of sorts.
But then, I find your comments overall disturbing, for I have never seen such an advocate of murder here on Slugger before, such as yourself Rory.
But your rants imply that you are a teenager. Hey, why not lighten up, get out a bit more. Why not get a girl friend?
Padraig Pearse was a bit of a nerdy character too, who ranted on a bit. A very religious and devout type of chap, non-drinker and more than likely very boring, he was definitely a sociopath. Advocating blood sacrifices and all that is not healthy. In Germany today we witnessed another sociopath on the rampage as he murdered innocent people because of his own inadequacies and personality deficits. Some folk who are low achievers cloak personal failings and shortfalls in nationalism or religion too. It helps make them feel important. I get that vibe from you.
(IP address)
I think you mean ‘faze’ and not ‘phase’, firstly.
Secondly, me not scumbag from ‘Big Smoke’,Belfast.
No heists or Giros in my track record, either.
Please give evidence of the major operational ‘successes’ of the South Derry Brigade that you have attached yourself to, limpet-like.
Greagoir OFrainclin
The pot calling the kettle Black pal! (with the ranting)
And you need to read back
I am in my 40s married and learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested
The occupation features in every generation and must be brought to an end somewhere
Every generation of republicanism has be sold out again and again but we continue to strive for our gaol
People mock and belittle our struggle but that will NEVER deter us
Martin McGuinness proved the actions of RSF in 1986 right on the steps of sormont yesterday – The man is a “Traitor to the Cause” and probably a long term informer of the highest character – The shame The Shame!
So go play with your new found friends in stormount a chara and leave us to it!
Wasn’t Sandy Lynch from south Derry?
Picador
Sandy Lynch was a Belfast man who lived for very short time in Magherafelt – FACT!
Please give evidence of the major operational ‘successes’ of the South Derry Brigade that you have attached yourself to, limpet-like.
It’s all gone quiet on this one-no list yet, Jackarory?
Haven’t read all the posts here, but has anyone posted about what the ramifications would have been had the police officer been a protestant instead of a catholic?
Now before you go ranting, bear in mind that i feel it should not matter, but we’re talking about NI here, so it definitely does.
Harris
A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.
“A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.”
Understood, Rory, but what, if any, ramifications do you think would have come from the Loyalist paras?
Harris
I think that the current fight by Republicans is not intended to be a sectarian one
I think that they would appear to only be focusing on Military targets
Now if the UDA and their mobs get involved then that is purely sectarian and pure hatred!
What exactly did the loyalists eve fight for – they just purely hated catholics
‘A member of the Crown forces is member of the Crown forces – religion should not come into it.’
This guff from the idiot who earlier extoled the virtues of that notorious sectarian killer, Dominic McGlinchey.
Rory
>learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested
Irish history maybe but clearly not British history. It didn’t exist before 1707.
Irish involvement in England goes back to the 4th and 5th centuries when Ireland raided the western coasts (or had you forgotten that Saint Patrick was an English slave?). But those were violent times. Most of us have evolved somewhat since then – the exception being some outdated imperialist forces within Westminister and, apparently, you.
“Now if the UDA and their mobs get involved then that is purely sectarian and pure hatred!”
But wouldn’t this play right into dissident strategy? Is it not their goal to disrupt,divide and bring down Stormont? Wouldn’t Loyalist para involvement set back any so-called peace?
Harris
The mindset in my view is to bring down Stormont – If loyalists start a religious war well that is a different thing!
Religion and nationality should be keep seperate
But no doubt the Loyalist thugs who hate catholics will use this as an excuse and who knows maybe the brits may use them to do their bidding? (as they did for 30 years)
“It didn’t exist before 1707.”
Whaa?? What do you mean it didn’t exist before 1707, Sarah?
Harris
Sarah clearly thinks the bold fenian men were little green men in a fairytale story
She may even be english – cause they all seem to have a short memory
Rory
>Sarah clearly thinks the bold fenian men were little green men in a fairytale story
>She may even be english – cause they all seem to have a short memory
I was saying that your knowledge of British history did not match your self-avowed knowledge of Irish history if you think that there were any such people as ‘The British’ before the Act of Union in 1707.
As for short memories, I told you I was English yesterday when I asked if, according to your philosophy, I should rock up outside my local army camp in SW England with some firearms because I happen to want England to leave the Union.
But thanks for displaying your racist credentials. Any more crass and puerile comments you’d like to make about the people of my nation while you’re about it?
Sarah
Get your army to leave and declare intent to disengage darlin and we will never have to speak again
Hows that for a deal?
Rory
>Get your army to leave and declare intent to disengage darlin and we will never have to speak again
Ain’t my army. They’re the British army. I ain’t British, I’m English.
I’m flattered you think I have the power to tell the British army where to put its bases.
Believe me, I’ve no more desire to be a subject of the Crown rather than a citizen of my own nation than you. But as countless people have told you, there are bloodless means of doing this.
And I am not, and never will be your darlin.
Sarah
Ah calm down
I know you have no control over your Army
But you like most British people really do no want the hassle do you really
The English, Protestants, loyalists, the unemployed,the Provos,Eirigi,the Workers Party, People from Belfast, people from Derry, people from cities (any city will do), even Mick Fealty!!-they’ve all had a turn from Rory, the keyboard Warrior of Erin.
- He’s lethal from 3 yards with his wee mouse on his nice new computer.
He’s gonna type his way to a United Ireland!
-we’re all quacking in our boots…or not as the case maybe….
>But you like most British people
So your national identity is valid and mine isn’t, is that it?
>really do no want the hassle do you really
If that was the case, what am I doing on this blog? I, like most _English_ people I talk to don’t feel its my right to tell Irish people what to do with their country despite viewing partition as wrong. All I can do, and do do, is campaign on behalf of English poeple against the Union.
But I at least respect that, at present, there is a slight majority in favour of maintaining the Union as it currently exists. I will work to persuade them that the Union is not in their best interests, not attempt to force them out of it against their will.
What are you doing Rory, to achieve your objectives? Or are you too busy attacking anybody who disagrees with you to do anything constructive?
bootsy
Have you not robbed that bank yet???
Sarah
“I will work to persuade them that the Union is not in their best interests.”
Just curious, but what sort of accomodation do you forsee that would ever persuade unionists that the union is not in their best interest?
Rory,
Seems like you have been taking a bit of flack my old friend.
Ding Ding
Regards
Ingram
Harris
>what sort of accomodation do you forsee that would ever persuade unionists that the union is not in their best interest?
Its my experience that many English people, for whom unionism is just a default position rather than a selected philosophy, are waking up to the reality that the Union has functioned to maintain, first, the Empire and later the Union, and despite being dominated by people who happen to be English, has never had representing the general English public as its core aim. Having now seen the impact of the dedicated nation-oriented parliaments/assemblies in its neighbouring countries, nationalist interests are awakening and unionism is declining.
Salmond may not get the referendum result he wants in 2012, but he’ll get it eventually, and Wales is liking it’s bit of autonomy and wanting more.
I believe Unionists in NI will eventually see re-unification with Ireland as less threatening than being part of a UK which is tearing itself apart.
Although I reckon it won’t be by 2016… more like 2056.
Ingram
I am a bit nervous about havin you as a friend (Martin McGuiness was once a friend)
But Bootsy is a paid up wee provo (whos got a Bank Robbibg fetish) and as for Picador well what can i say – he wants to run the Workers Party!
The worlds gone mad and we are still stuck with the Brits for now
Rory,
Lol . Good to hear you are well.
You have a right to your opinion !good job you are no longer a shinner you would be drummed out for dissent ! LOL
Ding Ding
Sarah
Please be careful with this quote:-
“Although I reckon it won’t be by 2016… more like 2056″
It may appear on a Sinn Fein Election Manifesto – you know what they are like!
Ingram
Any old books on the horizon??
“I am in my 40s married and learnt Irish History which incidentally in terms of British involvement goes back 850 Years if you are interested”
Ah, go on outta that, by admitting that you are in your 40′s, and that’s very hard to believe too, it’s rather incredible for a man of your age to hold such undeveloped thoughts for you come across as very immature regarding your utterings.
BTW, very clichéd and timeworn answer regarding Irish history. ‘Not good enough’, as your school teacher would say. ‘Must try harder’.
“So go play with your new found friends in stormount a chara and leave us to it!”
…and leave you and them to what?…. murdering people?
When it all boils down, your blinkered vision of a United Ireland is a dystopian nightmare!
Greagoir
Patronising Drivel coming out of you to say the least!
Go and get yourself a paint brush and get yourself up the falls along with the other Shinners
And you wonder why people hate you clowns!
That history was good enough to get PSF a mandate and they abused and dishonoured it
A new Dawn but still no sign of the list from Jackarory of the great achievements of ‘his’ South Derry Brigade-quelle surprise…
The ‘man’ is a troll and an indequate fantasist of the highest order.
Time to stop feeding the troll so I’ll let him keep typing his way towards the return of the Fourth Green Field-Bye,Jacka…
Bootsy
Yah little PROVO – Have yah robbed that Bank yet?
The Action of South Derry have been clearly laid out in:-
Gerry-Adams-does-not-have-a-Monopoly-on-the-theology-of-Republicanism
Stop throwing stones in your own green house
Try keeping up my former Comrade!