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RSF statement

Sun 8 March 2009, 7:54pm

No link but this has been reproduced on several republican forums, I’ve taken out the telephone numbers:

Press Release/Preas Ráiteas

For immediate release

For confirmation contact:

Des Dalton:
Vice-President: ******

Richard Walsh (Publicity Officer)

***** (Six Counties)
***** (26-Counties)

Hard realities of situation in Ireland must be faced

Statement from Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, President, Republican Sinn Féin

For more than 20 years Republican Sinn Féin has been warning that the lessons of Irish history have been that as long as the British government and British occupation troops remain in Ireland there will be Irish people to oppose their presence here.

It is only a matter of days since Hugh Order, the head of the RUC, announced that undercover British troops were being brought back into this country.

While everyone regretted loss of life, the hard realities of the situation in Ireland must be faced.

ENDS

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Comments (38)

  1. alan says:

    Pathetic

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  2. NCM says:

    I’m not trying to be snide, but was that a claim of responsibility or just general commentary?

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  3. Mark McGregor (profile) says:

    NCM,

    It’s unusual for RSF to comment on anything they aren’t connected with in anything but negative terms but as yet there is no claim of responsibility by anyone.

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  4. cynic says:

    Great. They have a President, a Vice President and a Press Officer but no mandate, no policies, no power and no capability other than to release accusatory statements on the back of the atrocities of others.

    A real force in modern Irish politics then.

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  5. picador says:

    Ruairí and his silver-haired friends are the legitimate goverment of Ireland, dontcha know? He is both spokesperson for the dead generations – and the spiritual commander of the living dead.

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  6. NCM says:

    I’m a little surprised RSF’s Press Officer didn’t post the statement directly on Slugger… the past few days they gave everyone here RSF’s latest on some pretty mundane matters in comparison.

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  7. picador says:

    What’s your own take on these shootings, Mark?

    A leap forward on the road to freedom? Or Grounghog Day all over again?

    I think we should be told.

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  8. jock says:

    I suppose Mark would say that this is theBritish Government and Sinn Fein’s fault. Aside from that predictable response, do you still support the use of armed struggle in the current environment? A simple Yes or No will do, Mark.

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  9. alan says:

    Persumably the pizza delivery men are collaborators with the British war machine

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  10. Mark McGregor (profile) says:

    picador,

    Don’t see why my view matters to you or anyone else but since you ask I’m completely opposed to such things.

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  11. picador says:

    Mark,

    Well, as you are slugger’s resident disso propagandist, I was interested to see what formula of words you would come up with.

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  12. Right up there with this:

    REINDEER STRIKE ADVERTS HIT CHILDREN

    The use of Christmas related advertising by multi-national companies to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of young children over the arrival of Santa has been condemned by a spokesman for Republican Sinn Fein.

    Mick The Quill Ryan from Ballynanty, the RSF chairman in the north side of Limerick said that some companies are using the upcoming Christmas as a vehicle to sell their products while casting doubts over the arrival of Santa.

    The fact that companies like a huge mobile phone firm can use advertising that features the reindeers talking about going on strike is in bad taste and affects the views
    of children.

    We have had complaints from parents who say that their children are concerned about a reindeer strike and the fact that Santa depends on the reindeers to deliver the Christmas presents.

    While an adult can appreciate the point being made by the advertising, young children do not have the same perspective and tend to repeat what they see and hear.
    MEDIA INFORMATION FROM….
    Mick The Quill Ryan, Chairman RSF Northside
    120 Shanabooley Road, Ballynanty, Limerick

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  13. KieranJ says:

    Who here believes this little gem from Orde:

    Sir Hugh said: “There will be no troops back on the streets. I will die in a ditch over that — that is not going to happen.”

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  14. alan says:

    Mark, assuming you have an insight to dissident republican thinking have you any idea how this will go down with the average non-SF supporter in nationalist areas?

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  15. mom says:

    Raivo Pommer
    [email protected]

    Teuer Geld

    Er beruft sich hierbei auf ein Urteil des Landgerichts Coburg (Az.: 23 O 426/08). In dem Fall hatten der Beklagte und seine Ehefrau zusammen einen Kredit über 21 000 Euro aufgenommen. Als sie sich scheiden ließen, vereinbarten sie, dass die Frau den Kredit zurückzahlen werde. Im Gegenzug verpflichtete sich der Mann, zwei weitere Darlehen zu begleichen.

    Diese Absprache teilten sie auch der Bank mit. Als die Frau die Tilgungen nicht leistete, kündigte die Bank das Darlehen und verlangte vom früheren Ehemann den offenen Schuldbetrag von 16 400 Euro. Zu recht, urteilte das Gericht: Denn die Absprache zwischen den früheren Eheleuten schütze den Beklagten nicht. Maßgeblich sei allein das Vertragsverhältnis zwischen der Bank und dem Mann. Der Beklagte sei durch die Scheidung oder die Abmachung der Eheleute untereinander nicht von seiner Schuld gegenüber der Bank befreit.

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  16. ^^^Either Google Translate is getting it very wrong or “mom” is a troll:

    “He refers here to a ruling by the Landgericht Coburg (Az: 23 O 426/08). In this case, the defendant and his wife have a combined loan of EUR 21 000 recorded. When they were divorced, they agreed that the woman to pay back the loan will be. In return, the man, two more loans to be paid.

    This arrangement also shared with the bank. As the woman who made no repayments, the bank announced the loan and demanded by the former husband, the amount of outstanding debt is 16 400 euros. At right, the court ruled, because the agreement between the former spouses does not protect the defendants. Was the sole contract between the bank and the man the defendant was covered by the agreement or the divorce of the spouses do not differ from his debt to the bank free”

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  17. Mark McGregor (profile) says:

    Alan,

    Wrong assumption. I have no insight to offer. I saw a press release not condemning events and thought that an addition to any debate on this that hasn’t previously appeared. As for how it goes down with non-SF republicans, I can only go on what I’ve read elsewhere and some are absolutely delighted, the rest aren’t.

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  18. alan says:

    Thanks Mark.
    I can understand the gut reaction of some who see this as another strike against the brits. I have more trouble trying to see startegic thinking behind this that can bring irish unity closer. Stupid me.

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  19. jock says:

    Is Eirigi sitting on the fence, beside you, Mark?

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  20. scaramoosh says:

    Ruairí Ó Brádaigh – the master of tautology.

    “For more than 20 years Republican Sinn Féin has been warning that the lessons of Irish history have been that as long as the British government and British occupation troops remain in Ireland there will be Irish people to oppose their presence here”.

    What a clever and insightful lesson that was.

    In translation – there will always be inadequate and immature young Irish people, who, in order to distance themselves from their own sad and tragic lives, will project their thoughts on to a bigger cause …the notion of restoring the four green fields for Mother Ireland.

    In the process, said sad b*******, will ignore public opinion at large, delude themselves that they are the rightful government of Ireland, and get their kicks from murdering other working class people.

    These people are in no position to lecture the rest of us, for they themselves will never learn the lessons of history. They will never come to terms with the fact that theirs is a futile and pointless cause, driven in the main by a bunch of middle aged psychopaths, who really ought to know better.

    Perhaps it is poignant at these times to remember the words of Commandante Che;

    “Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted.”

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  21. youcannot be serious says:

    ‘While everyone regretted loss of life, the hard realities of the situation in Ireland must be faced. ‘

    Well Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Richard Walsh and other patriots. You are right, the hard realities must be faced.

    If that includes terminating your command with extreme prejudice, who would complain? Given your committment to a democratic socialist 32 county republic, lets put that proposition to a vote. OK?

    A fundamental plank in your electoral platform/manifesto, whatever, must be this.

    ‘We will wound them. And when they are writhing on the ground, and only then, given our courage and committment, we will kill them.

    Breatnach is a facile coward. Statment ends’

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  22. Paulie says:

    I think it’s a bit odd that commenters here can decide that – seeing as Mark is a republican who is critical of SF – he must therefore have in insight into, or a degree of support for last night’s murder in Antrim.

    I’ve little sympathy for any strand of Irish Republicanism as it’s manifested itself during my lifetime, but in a democracy, it is undoubtedly a legitimate political tradition (more legitimate than it was in the 1960s when most politics on these islands were largely class-based) and deserves to be given the kind of breathing space that it needs to conduct itself in a democratic way.

    Here is the way that I think it is useful to look at this situation:

    Republicanism in general is in something of a hole. It may have achieved it’s electoral high water-mark already and many of the internal contradictions that it has laboured under since the 1960s are unravelling. The buoyant economy may have provided an invaluable sticking-plaster that has covered these fissures up for the past 15 years. However, with a strong pragmatic representation, it has more resources at it’s disposal to adapt than it ever has had before.

    To highlight the past positions or the compromises that many republicans have made – compromises that have saved thousands of lives and given democracy a chance to work in Northern Ireland perhaps for the first time – would seem to be counterproductive. I don’t care if the guns used here were ones that could have been decommissioned in recent years – I doubt if anyone really believes that SF ever had the degree of authority to commandeer and decommission every weapon held by republicans.

    We were all asked to go along with a charade that this was the case in order to get where we are today – and as a result, we’ve seen the emergence of a more mature democratic tradition within republicanism – both inside SF, and lately outside of it.

    Looking through the comments here, I suspect that some participants would rather see leading SF figures be made to look stupid, hypocritical or weak in the light of this nihilistic attack.

    I’d sooner see SF being able to take a step backwards, consider it’s response, and then provide it to an audience that wishes the party well in it’s development as a democratic force – even if many of us don’t wish it well as a political one in the long term.

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  23. NCM says:

    What exactly was so wrong with using politics, not violence, to achieve strategic goals towards a united Ireland? And shooting a couple of off-duty Army engineers getting pizza is hardly something to be proud of (oh, and the pizza guys for good measure). The chance of this backfiring against the folks who did this is high, I believe… is that why no one is claiming responsibility?

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  24. Gregory says:

    “He is both spokesperson for the dead generations – and the spiritual commander of the living dead.”

    The 1916 people didn’t have much of a mandate

    Traditional republicanism is always suspicious of electoral politics.

    Gerry Adams isn’t the Pope, the changes he made can be undone, and possibly will be.

    Are SF ‘proper’ republicans in the sense of people who went before them?

    Is that a valid question? Because winning elections has *nothing* to do with that alleged status.

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  25. Ulsterscots says:

    Thanks to the courage of the SAS, the British Army, the UDR, the RUC and the 1,000,000 British Citizens in Northern Ireland, the PIRA have been defeated and surrendered their weapons, and Sinn Fein have accepted British rule in Northern Ireland under the terms of the Belfast Agreement.

    However, even after surrendering, the IRA (their is no difference between the PIRA, RIRA or CIRA) continue to murder at Omagh, Robert McCartney, Denis Donaldson, Paul Quinn and now Antrim.

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  26. Gregory says:

    “And shooting a couple of off-duty Army engineers getting pizza is hardly something to be proud of ”

    Only if it happened recently perhaps,

    at other times it would be the apex of a revolutionary success story,

    one of the problems SF has, is that they have a plain of history, which is as equally unpleasant as the recent deaths.

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  27. austin says:

    I find it so predictable that the usual suspects are blaming the usual suspects, as usual.

    Problem is the Shinners hate the Dissidents-can’t you remember their North Antrim MLA geting chinned at the boney last year?

    McGuiness has suffered a double-whammy over this-looking stoopid over his mock outrage at the undercover soldiers ‘revelation’ and also missing his chance to sashay with Barack on Paddy’s Day.

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  28. earnan says:

    Don’t besmirch the men of 1916 by bringing them up in any relation at all to the whiskey swilling thugs who carried out this “brave” attack

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  29. puresideways says:

    ROB,
    YOUR A FULL DINOSAUR.
    YOUR ORG WILL NEVER WIN WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE SIDE BY SIDE I’M FROM THE SHANKILL AREA I’M AN ULSTER MAN AS THE FOLK ACROSS THE WALL IN DIVIS WE SPEAK THE SAME WE DRESS THE SAME WE DRINK THE SAME OUR FOREFATHER’S FOUGHT IN THE SAME WAR SIDE BY SIDE.
    MOVE ON WE ALL SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF THE RUC/ARMY GRANTED MORE THAN OTHER’S YOU WILL NOT WIN.

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  30. Maribor says:

    I was at school in Derry with Walsh.

    An Aussie blow in,arrived in fifth year. One of the brightest fellas I have met, who went off the rails big style

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  31. Richard Walsh says:

    Actually, despite the fact that I lived in both Saudi Arabia and Australia, I was in fact born in this country.

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  32. NCM says:

    Mr. Walsh, does RSF agree with the RIRA caller who claimed responsibility for the attack that the pizza delivery men were, by virtue of simply delivering pizzas, collaborators and therefore legitimate targets?

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  33. west belfast says:

    Ah the prophetic shock minority who know better than us Irish people – pathetic minority more like.

    I spoke to someone who dealt with Ruairi in the early 1970s, he said O’Bradaigh was more likely to spot a short skirt than a political strategy. Playing the man I know but I dont really care at this point.

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  34. Conchuir O Fearain says:

    ulstersocts- your very very wrong, Ruari is essentially accepting resposibility here. Just as Sinn Fein were linked with PIRA, RSF is linked with RIRA. Sinn Fein have not accepted British rule, but have accepted power sharing, PIRA have handed in all their weapons and cannot and must not be linked with RIRA.

    What you are saying, I could just say LVF UVF UDA UDR, RIR, all murdering sumbags and their is no difference between them. OF COURSE THERE IS!!

    The same way there is a difference between PIRA and the rest.

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  35. In response to Conchuir Ó Fearáin re: “RSF is linked with RIRA”, nobody including the so-called “security experts” has ever made such a claim. Perhaps he might research his comments better before making them.

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  36. NCM says:

    Richard Walsh, I’ll ask again: does RSF support the shooting of the pizza delivery men as “collaborators”?

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  37. Conchuir O Fearain says:

    I make the remark in the same sense that the PIRA was linked to Sinn Fein 25-30 years ago. In my opinion, it is only a matter of time before a link is exposed, Mr Walsh

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  38. Rory Carr says:

    It is the self-styled ‘Continuity IRA’ (a silly name which hopes to imply a continuous unbroken link back to Easter Week 1916) which is associated with Ó’Brádaigh and Republican Sinn Féin (another silly name intended to insinuate that Sinn Féin somehow is not republican). It’s as though the late Archbishop Lefebvre had proclaimed himself The Catholic Pope in an attempt to show that the late John Paul II was not really a Catholic. It’s silly and doesn’t fool anyone – certainly not protestants.

    The Real IRA (bloody unreal if not surreal, in my opinion) is linked with the McKevitt/Sands ego-fest, the 32-County Sovereignty Movement.

    All of the above groups and those who style themselves the IRSP, the INLA and Óglaígh na hÉireann are equally mad and dangerous and should be avoided for public health reasons and on no account should you accept any offers that they might make to babysit your pet warthog while you go on holiday. His well-being could not be guaranteeed.

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  39. Conchuir O Fearain says:

    Thanks, good research and I like the accuracy with those who are accosiated with these groups, with no political agenda, and are trying to destroy the peace we have now.

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