Comments on: Special Reconnaissance Regiment return to NI service

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By: danielmoran

danielmoran — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:46:09 +0000

to pete baker….. hugh orde has, whether on purpose or not, exposed the policing board for the piece of absurdist theatre it is. samuel becket or kafka would be proud. the policing boad might as well diband and be done with it. after hours of being ‘held to account’ the announcement is made. priceless.

By: Max

Max — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:38:49 +0000

Thank god someone is taking steps to try and keep the peace. No one wants a military prescence here but at least they have legitimacy rather than a small group of people, intent on sending us back to the seventies, legitamising their own acts of violence and bigotry with nothing more than homespun rhetoric to appeal to those who think shooting a peeler or burying a Prod would be a cool thing to boast about on their Bebo page. I can understand SF and the SDLP having to huff and puff but they were a lot quieter about the level of sectarian activity around the 6 counties in recent months.

By: Dylan

Dylan — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:05:24 +0000

The British Government uses media oppourtunities like this to reassure Unionists that they are still protected by the state and that the big bad republican bogey men arent going to get them. Usually to soften the blow of some controversial issue they may have to deal with in the future, or simply as a means of asserting power. What a joke that 12% of M.I.5′s manpower and resources are being spent on “policing” dissedent republicans, whom, we were told a few years back are made up of approx. 80 die hards! It should be blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that the deployment of covert recon operatives is a nightmare scenario for this country waiting to happen. Either we end up with another shoot to kill controversy ( victory to the diisidents in terms of martyrdom propaganda) or we end up with dead security force members ( destabalisation of the process, Unionist ire.) Or maybe thats what certain people in M.I.5 want now that there little adventure in Iraq is over?

By: Driftwood

Driftwood — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:15:51 +0000

Martin has gone crying to Gordon Brown and the RoI PM about an internal MoD matter. As if they could give a fuck right now. If SF wanted the removal of the British Army from this part of the UK, they never factored it in to any agreement.
As a crown servant administering her Majesty’s rule here, he should keep within his remit.

By: P O'Neil

P O'Neil — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:54:01 +0000

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that last year Martin stated that all dissident activity was being controlled by the spooks in Hollywood.

Typical British playbook, create a ‘threat’ then deal with the problem which you created. I think the last 40 odd years is pretty good example of that.

By: 14th Int fan

14th Int fan — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:15:22 +0000

the only reason they (SRR) are here is because the RA can’t control their own dissidents and the PSNI is too incompetent…..the PSNI’s failure to catch and convict those responsible for Omagh, Robert McCartney, Northern Bank robbery etc. hardly gives anyone confidence in their ability to cope with dissidents…..ask the prods who play bowls in Rosslea what they think of the PSNI’s ability to deal with dissidents!!….

if Sinn Fein don’t like the SRR then please inform everyone how they intend to wipe out dissident acitivity…..

By: cynic

cynic — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:11:51 +0000

Poor Martin seems to be sufferening from memory loss. This time he didn’t realise that the deal the Shinners cut on policing and justice meant that they had no control on the role of MI5 which is accountable nationally to NIO not via PSNI or the Policing board or any new Justice Department. This has damaged his confidence in Hugh Orde and the Army Special Forces ‘are a threat’ – well that’s a surprise then and may be why they are deploying them.

By: Greagoir O' Frainclin

Greagoir O' Frainclin — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:28:35 +0000

Special Reconnaissance Regiment return to NI service. Did they ever leave?

It is rather sneaky that Policing Board members were not informed by the chief constable.
Echoes of the bad old days of withholding information.

But nobody wants another Omagh bombing!

Idiot “dissidents” acting the bollocks encourages the interest and covert operations of the British security forces in NI. NI became a great training ground for British agents. “Dissidents” acting the bollocks keeps the British security forces eyes focused on NI, and rightly so too I suppose, because who wants another Omagh bombing, where all those people were murdered, blown to bits one Saturday afternoon whilst out shopping.

By: fin

fin — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:17:54 +0000

Or possibly its put in the public domain ahead of devolving P&J;to prevent any issues later. Most things in NI are choreographed and planned well in advance.

Also where do they start gathering their intelligence, from MI5 and PSNI files, that lot has pretty much failed to find any loyalist arms, catch any dissidents or solve the NI bank robbery.

Could it be the govt. now feel that Orde is not interested or not capable of doing the job so need an organisation ‘onsite’ for a bit of continuity.

At the end of the day the easiest excuse is to say they’ve been brought in to deal with dissidents, and an excuse had to be given, what they actually do is a different matter, only time will tell…………..

By: LURIG

LURIG — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:34:04 +0000

Off subject but talking of the Hague; while not undermining the attempts by the International Courts to bring the Sudanese President to boot haven’t the Sudanese every right to put 2 fingers up to the UN while the US, Britain and Israel continually carry out Human Rights Abuses, kill innocents in Palestine and operate torture chambers in Guantanamo Bay? Hypocrisy how are ye?

By: Driftwood

Driftwood — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:10:43 +0000

Comrade Stalin
Army Special Forces are not connected (directly anyway) by MI5. They have their bolthole (The Hollow) at Ballykinler Camp. And will jump out if need be. Hugh Orde probably has seen what he needs to see, referring to the safety of his officers.
That anyone else – surprised that the SAS and their intelligence gathering units are still active in NI? Why not write to your SF MLA? Their response-probably scripted at Thiepval- will be pure Jonathan Powellesque waffle.
Faugh A Ballagh

By: LURIG

LURIG — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:04:08 +0000

Well Ye Gods you obviously care enough to post a comment on here. No one has said it’s all a big British plot to ‘do down the Irish’. Unionists by the way won’t like your sweeping cultural identity generalisation there but that’s how most people outside Ireland see them, i.e. IRISH. Back to the point this is ALL about control from Britain’s Intelligence Agencies. They want to control how the public view them and any scaremongering nonsense usually puts people on the defensive and makes them wary SO that they don’t even question the spooks, their budget or any accountability. MI5 & MI6 are living in their own wee paranoid world of smoke and mirrors where the general public MUST be kept frightened at all times. They lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction which led to the War In Iraq, they lied about their role in subversion of British parliamentary democracy in trying to bring down Labour governments and they have lied about murder gangs they have operated in Ireland since 1968. In short they are a shower of lying, murdering, unaccountable, evil, sinister bastards who should be in a court in the Hague for their crimes in Ireland AND Britain.

By: borderline

borderline — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:51:51 +0000

Jumpin JF,

don’t confuse my observations with support.

I don’t support the dissidents like I didn’t support the Provos before them. Or even the Rising if it came to that.

Just a student of history….

By: Yea Gods

Yea Gods — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:32:13 +0000

FFS are you people for real? There ain’t any great British plan to do down the Irish.

The reality is that they would be happy to be out of Ireland if they could and are only held by international agreements that guarantee change only by consent.

Wake up, get over yourselves no one cares that much about you.

Concentrate your ire on the loons that are threatening violence and come out with statements that a fourteen year-old would be embarrassed by; and no they are not British spooks just sadly home grown idiots

By: Comrade Stalin

Comrade Stalin — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:31:09 +0000

LURIG,

You need to keep up with the times. Counter-intelligence work is being taken off the PSNI Special Branch and has been handed over to MI5. This is all part of the move towards devolved policing and justice powers. I can see why; there’s no way that the British would allow a devolved NI government, no matter how “loyal”, to see the interior of their intelligence-gathering machinery.

I’ve no reason to doubt the claims about the dissident threat. They’ve made several attempts to kill police officers recently, and they left a bomb near a school a few weeks ago.

If the Omagh fiasco is anything to go by Smileys People probably know the name of EVERY dissident Republican in Ireland as well as their Loyalist friends in the Unionist death squads.

They almost certainly do. What do you want them to do, go around the country and intern them all ?

By: LURIG

LURIG — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:07:50 +0000

Where does this leave Hugh Orde? Are he and PSNI now admitting that policing here is too much for them? It would appear so, if they can’t get a grip on your average barcode moustache scumbag who robs shops how can they expect to sort out the dissidents? However there is more to it than that. When the British Intelligence Agencies are mentioned I smell nothing but sh*te and know there are sinister things going on. MI5, MI6 & the British Army spooks are all operating on massive budgets and need the public to perceive that something is going on. If the Omagh fiasco is anything to go by Smileys People probably know the name of EVERY dissident Republican in Ireland as well as their Loyalist friends in the Unionist death squads. This crowd tried to bring Harold Wilson’s government down and operated double agents during the Miners Strike of 1984. They are a parallel government with the REAL power because Labour and Tory administrations come and go but these headbangers remain in their posts for decades. The SDLP are quite right to raise this matter because Sinn Fein weren’t going to blow the whistle on OR speak out against their speechwriters.

By: how telling

how telling — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:03:13 +0000

How telling that the SDLP have responded to this, while no doubt the Shinners were on the blower to their Whitehall handlers trying to get the kibosh put on it. SAS-esque units back on Irish soil, supporting the same police SF call on nationalists to inform on their neighbours to. Quelle surprise.

By: Jump'in Jack Flash

Jump'in Jack Flash — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:27:11 +0000

Untrained, no electoral mandate, no money, next-to-no arms, and riddled with informers. Young and enthusiastic though.

The only way is up

Aye but only after the young and enthusiastic lives by the needless deaths or thee hundreds of years in jails though.