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Tension in the air?

Sat 28 February 2009, 3:22pm

Over on Redemption’s Son it is reported that the NI Conservatives have ruled out campaigning using the word ‘Ulster’ attributed to their new electoral/ballot paper name: Ulster Conservative and Unionists – New Force.
Redemption’s Son comments:

“From my understanding, or at least what I have been led to believe, this is not the case. It was agreed to run as Ulster Conservatives and Unionists. There is a reason for this, and whether the editor believes so or not, he is out of order to actively pursue an agenda that jeopardises the goodwill between the UUP and the Conservative Party. From the comments it looks like the Editor is up to his old tricks of selective censorship and self praise.

“Idiotic behaviour as demonstrated by those in the Conservative Party who are either enabling this counter-productive activity or are turning a blind eye to it must be stopped at once. All this will achieve is a reaction that will be pounced upon by the detractors of the ‘New Force’ of rifts appearing.”


On the name change

Given the fact that people over the age of fifty generally vote UUP how will the party seek to educate their older voters in the name change as the first some may find out about it is when they visit the ballot box wondering … ‘now wheres that UUP?’ – a party that has been on the ballot paper ever since the establishment of Northern Ireland.

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Comments (11)

  1. oneill says:

    You have been a bit selective with your quotes from the original post there Andrew- no mention of mavericks;)and “action to be taken”??!

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  2. Michael Shilliday says:

    O’Neill,

    Andrew hasn’t been selective, he has totally misrepresented what Ignited said. No shock there then.

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  3. Ignited (profile) says:

    Always best to go direct to the source! The quotes lifted from myself were in response to comments from the Editor of the NI Conservatives blog which said:

    Both the Conservative Party and the Ulster Unionist Party approved, this evening, the paper produced by the Joint Committee of both Parties. This will result in a new force in Northern Ireland politics: Conservatives and Unionists.

    I’m at a loss to know what’s stupid about the name Conservatives and Unionists. The longer name is simply our registered name just as the DUP is registered as Ulster DUP. We’ll campaign as Conservatives and Unionists.

    Also I have had a few personal responses that I updated at the end:

    PS. An anonymous source has informed Redemption’s Son that a maverick NI Tory is behind a lot of the goings on, and that action will be taken.

    That should put it in context.

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  4. William says:

    My I suggest that if you are not a paid up member of the Ulster Unionist Party or of the Conservative Party, then it is simply none of your business what the new grouping is called. Those who oppose it, be they Republicans, Nationalists or Ulster nationalists like the DUPes are merely keeping whingeing about the name, as they are scared of the electoral impact that it will have…and that is the re-emergence as true Unionism as the majority party at the next election…

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  5. Ignited (profile) says:

    William,

    It’s in the public domain:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markdevenport/2009/02/can_you_feel_the_force.html
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tories-and-ulster-unionists-unite-under-new-name-to-fight-elections-14206896.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4841814/Tories-and-Ulster-Unionists-to-fight-Northern-Ireland-elections-on-joint-ticket.html

    How do you spread the word of a new party to supporters and potential supporters if you only talk about within party circles? If the UUP & Tories want internal debate then they keep it internal.

    As I have suggested the problem is that internal debate within the joint committee has been acted upon by an individual NI Tory hence causing the friction.

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  6. Andrew says:

    I havent misrepresented anything.

    Why is the comment still up on the Tory party website?

    Very confusing Michael.

    “Both the Conservative Party and the Ulster Unionist Party approved, this evening, the paper produced by the Joint Committee of both Parties. This will result in a new force in Northern Ireland politics: Conservatives and Unionists.”

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  7. ?? says:

    My I suggest that if you are not a paid up member of the Ulster Unionist Party or of the Conservative Party, then it is simply none of your business what the new grouping is called. ……

    oh william U CUNF

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  8. Comrade Stalin says:

    My I suggest that if you are not a paid up member of the Ulster Unionist Party or of the Conservative Party, then it is simply none of your business what the new grouping is called.

    You suggest wrong, William, and much as you might like to stifle free speech on the badly-chosen name of this new political entity, you won’t be able to, not unless you decide to go back to the good old days of drilling volunteers in the grounds of Belfast Castle.

    Those who oppose it, be they Republicans, Nationalists or Ulster nationalists like the DUPes are merely keeping whingeing about the name, as they are scared of the electoral impact that it will have…and that is the re-emergence as true Unionism as the majority party at the next election…

    How can you accuse other people of being “Ulster nationalists” when you guys clearly had some sort of internal fight over the need to have the word “Ulster” in the name of the new party ?

    The choice of name is very relevant, since it shows how out of touch the UUP are and how desperate they are to try to appeal to people. We saw the same desperation with “Simply British” and “Decent people”, and this is a continuation of that theme. Who in their right mind puts the word “Force” in the name of a democratic political party ?!?

    If you guys had just called yourselves “Conservatives and Unionists” or “Conservative-Unionist coalition”, or similar, there would have been much less room for slagging. It may have been more boring, but at least it would have seemed sober and serious rather than desperate.

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  9. NewForce says:

    Alliance Chief Whip Kieran McCarthy MLA has said that the UUP-Tory link up is meaningless and offers local people nothing new. He said that given the track record of the UUP they will most likely embarrass the Tories.

    Kieran McCarthy MLA said: “This arrangement strikes me as being like the story of the emperor’s new clothes. This is the same Ulster Unionist Party with the same outdated mindset. A quick name change will make no difference at all.

    “The new name is intriguing. They must decide whether they are a new force or are simply a spent force that appeals to few.

    “People do not know what the Ulster Unionists stand for because they appear to be courting the TUV one day and then running with the Tories the next.

    “I welcome the Conservatives to politics in Northern Ireland; however, the track record of the UUP shows that they will most likely embarrass the Tories.

    “People who want an end to division in our society and want to support a genuinely outward looking party should look to Alliance.”

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  10. Greenflag says:

    ‘true Unionism ‘

    Somebody out there in Unionland has to have a definition of what ‘true’ as opposed to ‘untrue ‘ unionism is ? For the rest of us ‘unionism’ in any shape or form remains an enigma wrapped in the fog of a long gone era.

    The definition of a true Aryan used to be somebody who was as blond as Hitler , as tall as Goebbels and as slim as Goering ;)

    Defining a true Unionist is as easy as defining a cloud which changes it’s shape with every breadth of wind but yet remains full of moisture and wind ?

    Maybe the definition of a true ‘Unionist’ in their new ‘conservative wrap around ‘is somebody who is as non racist as Enoch Powell , as British as fish and chips and Finchley , as non sectarian as vintage Paisley, and as democratic as the that most distinguished victim of the first modern property crash none other than Richard Plantagenet Temple -Nugent-Brydges Chandos -Grenville 6th Viscount Cobham and 2nd Duck of Buckingham ;)

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  11. ?? says:

    HOws this spat going?

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