HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! Bloody hell. Thanks for the laugh.

If you think Frazer wasting Police time and making himself look like a clown with tales of fighting off twenty IRA by himself is hurting Gerry Adams, then more power to you.

“for example Adams was run into the mud at last election.”

How did Willie do in his last election? Or all his previous elections for that matter?

Willie Frazer is like the captives in roman times who used to tag along with their leaders, brought along with the group to remind the leaders that they were but mere mortals.

Mr Adams is not the messiah but a very very naughty wee west Belfast boy and Frazer is there to reduce the value of any Adams personality cult.

Frazer has a tendency to cut pomp out of adams in a similar way Michael McDowell used to. Yes the Irish find it distasteful of course I do too, but for getting the message across it seems to work. Just like McDowell, it has an outcome that tends to knock both parties out when deploying it, for example Adams was run into the mud at last election. It was unionist in flavour but the rationale was not lost on anyone who cared to remain impartial before casting their vote.

You admire cheap, shallow publicity stunts?

Do you admire how he wastes police time with fantastic stories of fighting off twenty IRA kidnappers by himself and using his driving skills to evade hostile provo mobs?

I’ll bet it made your heart swell with admiration when wee Willie got carried away from Stormont kicking and screaming when Adams and Paisley met for the first time.
The rest of us can clearly see that the man is a publicity hungry mentalist who uses his “FAIR” group as a vehicle to get his name and face on television and the papers – why can’t you?

I admire the way he goes down to Dublin, for example the SF ard fheis, and puts his blunt questions to Adams’s crew.

If only we had more liberals prepared to stand up for their own values in such a relentless way, particularly in light of the recent race problems in the media, outlining the wider changes to economic development, which has pushed up growth overall not actually reduced job-share – if then we had such forceful ways used for good purposes – perhaps we might be in a different position now.

That includes what has come to pass in NI over the last 30 years as well, perhaps we could have reduced the level to which we all became retarded and hell bent on waging war on ourselves only to end up pretty much where we started before it all kicked off.

I’m no admirer of Gerry Adams either. I certainly don’t come on here praising him or saying that I “admire” him in any way.

What’s the difference between him dressing up Republican terrorism and Frazer saying that “loyalist” terrorists should never have been locked up?

Let’s get this straight – Frazer said that “loyalist” terrorists – people who were guilty of vicious murder of innocent men, women and children (sometimes involving sickening torture) purely because they were Catholics should never “have been locked up in the first place”.

Do you agree with that or not?

Personally I think that anyone guilty of sectarian murders etc IRRESPECTIVE of which “side” they are from should be in jail. Do you agree with that?

Willie Frazer obviously doesn’t so, while I sympathize with his loss, it doesn’t give him the right to insult the relatives of the Catholics brutally murdered by the “loyalist” terrorists he defends without being exposed as a hypocrite.

Personally, I’ll reserve my admiration for those who unreservedly condemn ALL terrorism irrespective of whoever carries it out.

“I actually admire Willie Fraser in a way”

Really – that speaks volumes about you!”

My “in a way” was his straight-talking that you just don’t get from Adams and his warped mythology that wraps up murder as some sort of historical right to motivate people to divide against one another in some bizarre way that this could unite us.

I enjoyed your last response at point 45. I had been thinkg of him myself when his son was talking about truth and making up lies about the report on lets talk. Points that Mark Carruthers corrected him on.

Though i also want to remark about the question that led to the debate. It was about whether the suffering of the families had been any different. When I first heard about this leak and the uproar it was causing, my first question to myself was,’why should families be punished?’

Im young but I know how evil some of the IRA’s acts were. I also know that from a quick glance of our recent history how evil some RUC men were, some UDR men, some british soldiers and some of our elected politicians, no less a recent first minister. These were hateful people who tore us apart and tried their hardest to stop us getting together. They failed, we agreeed to the good friday agreement and continue to work together for the benefit of the people. One of those mentioned even changed his mind but all this shows in my opinion is how attractive power is. Maybe no need for the snipe at big Ian but he has been my MP for 23 years so i feel i can. There was a point to this rant. Certain people such as Willie dont want us to come together, don’t want us to agree and don’t want us to grow up and move on. They would rather see families continue to suffer their losses whether it be a brother, a father or a son. Equally a sister, mother or daughter. They may had no choice in the actions a loved one got caught up in but according to the naysayers they must suffer more. Not because of what they have done, after all the only thing they have done is loose a family member. They must suffer more for what their family member has done.

On let’s talk somebody made a point. He said that if a family had knew their was a parlimilitary in their family at least they should expect them to die some time. Would it hurt any less when they do?

season ten episode 12 of south park, it’s called go god go. You should watch it.

It was unionists who destroyed the first powersharing executive, not the Provos.

“I actually admire Willie Fraser in a way”

Really – that speaks volumes about you!

Do you agree with his viewpoint that the “loyalist” terrorists released under the GFA should never have been locked up in the first place?

Do you agree with him that Robert McConnell (UVF terrorist and sectarian murderer of inncocent Catholics including women and children) is an “innocent victim”?

Nationalists don’t “fear” Frazer – he is viewed quite rightly as a bitter man, a hypocrite and frankly laughable as a public speaker.

His statements about “loyalist” terrorism make it all too easy to expose him for the hypocrite that he is.

As I have said before, until Frazer is prepared to condemn “loyalist” terrorism – he will continue to be exposed as a hypocrite.

Anyone who comes on here lauding him as some sort of “champion for justice” is equally hypocritical.

Just insert Gerry Adams into that sentence instead of Frazer and you see the circle of nonsense that we were once politically engaged in.

Doesn’t really matter who you say, I, from my own thinking of the situation in terms of political strategies, can see many names from each party appearing in the sentence, whether it’s Willie Frazer or Gerry Adams – etc, doesn’t really matter the means to the end were overplayed, state or civilian.

I have lost friends and family in the Conflict but I don’t think they’d want me crowing on about it to the point where it threatens the positive future they so desperately wanted for us all. Again, it’s about definiton – some responses here have talked about the lack of choice faced by those in the army and RUC when faced with having to shoot someone. While no doubt this is broadly the case, it cannot be denied that there were many cases of utter brutality and vicious violence directed at the Catholic community by these parties. Of course I am angry, of course I want truth but am I willing to destroy my future for the sake of my past? Absolutely not.

The whole point of a process of reconciliation is to reconciliate. All this talk of ‘innocent’ victims makes me wonder who we are to differentiate between one person’s suffering and another’s? It’s just so sad that people cannot let go. I am a passionate person and I care deeply about my home, call me naive but I thought the point of moving forward actually involved putting some form of distance and closure on the past. I’ll say it again, please get over yourselves for the sake of the rest of us.

Yes they should have debated the merits of republican governance rather than militated it.

The ‘they should never been in jail in the first place’ kind of values?

‘But what about decades of discriminatory and oppressive rule by a government whom one had to pay for (through taxes)?’

There were effective constitutional remedies for that which the Provos chose to ignore in favour of a divisive and murderous campaign for their stated goal of a united ireland. e.g. They chose to destroy the first power sharing executive.

Unlike others, I have no problem with the fact that more Catholics than Protestants would get 12K.

Of course both values of each ideology were retarded and the will of the means to the end likewise. Interlocking strategies of limited value, and that’s me being as kind as that payout by saying limited.

Frankly, I’m glad it’s over.

Irony; code word is “problem”.