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		<title>By: Peter Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291642</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick &gt; The SDLP Youth fringe event was really successful. Thanks very much for the video piece. I showed the video first then Conall and Neil spoke. There was fantastic turn out - people couldn&#039;t fit in the room - and everyone enjoyed the debate so the plan is to continue it again with another event in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick > The SDLP Youth fringe event was really successful. Thanks very much for the video piece. I showed the video first then Conall and Neil spoke. There was fantastic turn out &#8211; people couldn&#8217;t fit in the room &#8211; and everyone enjoyed the debate so the plan is to continue it again with another event in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291398</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the sdlp’s problems have nothing to do with their inability to harness the web - their problem is that they’re led by a dingbat who was put there by an egomaniac not to grow the sdlp but to ensure the egomaniac’s legacy was untouched.&quot;

They need to connect to voters by being relevant, they&#039;re not really a Catholic party, they can&#039;t out-SF @ being the cordite article.

Catholicism is no more down on its luck than orthodox (IRB or 1916 style) republicanism. 

The market is there, and has more activists than SF will ever have. It is not a question of it being a Vatican outreach project, 

it is a question, of taking &#039;a core vote&#039; and going forward.

At this point SF will lose more to apathy than the SDLP will gain by attracting youngsters, so the &#039;older&#039; vote is worth having.

Gregory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the sdlp’s problems have nothing to do with their inability to harness the web &#8211; their problem is that they’re led by a dingbat who was put there by an egomaniac not to grow the sdlp but to ensure the egomaniac’s legacy was untouched.&#8221;</p>
<p>They need to connect to voters by being relevant, they&#8217;re not really a Catholic party, they can&#8217;t out-SF @ being the cordite article.</p>
<p>Catholicism is no more down on its luck than orthodox (IRB or 1916 style) republicanism. </p>
<p>The market is there, and has more activists than SF will ever have. It is not a question of it being a Vatican outreach project, </p>
<p>it is a question, of taking &#8216;a core vote&#8217; and going forward.</p>
<p>At this point SF will lose more to apathy than the SDLP will gain by attracting youngsters, so the &#8216;older&#8217; vote is worth having.</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291395</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Harry. For a moment there I thought you were referring to the vid... Al the very best to you guys too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Harry. For a moment there I thought you were referring to the vid&#8230; Al the very best to you guys too!!</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Flashman</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291376</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Mick, all the best to you and the missus. We&#039;re at week eighteen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Mick, all the best to you and the missus. We&#8217;re at week eighteen here.</p>
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		<title>By: borderline</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291374</link>
		<dc:creator>borderline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reuters reporting 2 middleaged men struck by bolt of lightning in lobby of Armagh hotel.</description>
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		<title>By: nineteensixtyseven</title>
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		<dc:creator>nineteensixtyseven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I found your comments very heartening.  Hopefully some day nationalists and unionists alike will join together and vote for socialism, throwing off the identities that for so long have divided us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I found your comments very heartening.  Hopefully some day nationalists and unionists alike will join together and vote for socialism, throwing off the identities that for so long have divided us.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I caught most of the conference that was live today at lunchtime on tele and as a unionist albeit with a small u, I was impressed by what I heard. I have to admit that I do find a number of prominent members smug especially a couple of female ones but that is a small complaint.  

I wss pleased that Mark Durkin and Alban Magenniss were able to say the name Northern Ireland when they were speaking and were not struck down by a bolt of lightening.  Good on them. 

I have never been a big fan of the before and have never given them a vote in 30 years of voting but might consider marking them somewhere on my ballot sheet in the european elections.  If I was a nationlist I would vote for them at every election as they are moderate socialists.  It a shame us unionists don&#039;t have a party of moderate socialists to vote for instead of the right wing parties we seem to breed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught most of the conference that was live today at lunchtime on tele and as a unionist albeit with a small u, I was impressed by what I heard. I have to admit that I do find a number of prominent members smug especially a couple of female ones but that is a small complaint.  </p>
<p>I wss pleased that Mark Durkin and Alban Magenniss were able to say the name Northern Ireland when they were speaking and were not struck down by a bolt of lightening.  Good on them. </p>
<p>I have never been a big fan of the before and have never given them a vote in 30 years of voting but might consider marking them somewhere on my ballot sheet in the european elections.  If I was a nationlist I would vote for them at every election as they are moderate socialists.  It a shame us unionists don&#8217;t have a party of moderate socialists to vote for instead of the right wing parties we seem to breed.</p>
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		<title>By: wild turkey</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291343</link>
		<dc:creator>wild turkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The people I met do not fit the description of our first commentator. &#039;

Well fair enough Conall.  I am decidely not a politician so I  make no claims to total truth or instant wisdom.  In fact I&#039;ll say something rarely spoken by any NI politician:-&#039;I could be wrong.&#039;

Maybe I met different people... or the same people under different circumstances.  Perhaps you might allow for that, eh?

&#039;I enjoyed a capacity crowd and a very energetic debate&#039;

Good.  The energy and enjoyment arising from a good debate is heady stuff.  But was that debate strictly with the choir or also with the street? 

There is no need to be defensive here cos I am not out to get you or the party...

but you should be out to get me. Rhetorically like.

Good luck and happy hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The people I met do not fit the description of our first commentator. &#8216;</p>
<p>Well fair enough Conall.  I am decidely not a politician so I  make no claims to total truth or instant wisdom.  In fact I&#8217;ll say something rarely spoken by any NI politician:-&#8217;I could be wrong.&#8217;</p>
<p>Maybe I met different people&#8230; or the same people under different circumstances.  Perhaps you might allow for that, eh?</p>
<p>&#8216;I enjoyed a capacity crowd and a very energetic debate&#8217;</p>
<p>Good.  The energy and enjoyment arising from a good debate is heady stuff.  But was that debate strictly with the choir or also with the street? </p>
<p>There is no need to be defensive here cos I am not out to get you or the party&#8230;</p>
<p>but you should be out to get me. Rhetorically like.</p>
<p>Good luck and happy hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Conall McDevitt</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291339</link>
		<dc:creator>Conall McDevitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick your virtual appearness was a perfect intro to the to the debate. Mulley did not show but Neill Ward and I enjoyed a capacity crowd and a very energetic debate which Seamus Mallon played a lead roll in.

The people I met do not fit the description of our first commentator.

Have blogged on the conference over on O&#039;Conall St. www.oconallstreet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick your virtual appearness was a perfect intro to the to the debate. Mulley did not show but Neill Ward and I enjoyed a capacity crowd and a very energetic debate which Seamus Mallon played a lead roll in.</p>
<p>The people I met do not fit the description of our first commentator.</p>
<p>Have blogged on the conference over on O&#8217;Conall St. <a href="http://www.oconallstreet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.oconallstreet.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: percy</title>
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		<dc:creator>percy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDLP need to merge with a southern party in order to survive and make a difference.
Why isn&#039;t this happening?
The Tory/UUP merger gifts them to do this.
As usual when it comes to Republicanism and actually taking a stand, southern parties and the SDLP run away from the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDLP need to merge with a southern party in order to survive and make a difference.<br />
Why isn&#8217;t this happening?<br />
The Tory/UUP merger gifts them to do this.<br />
As usual when it comes to Republicanism and actually taking a stand, southern parties and the SDLP run away from the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: John O'Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josephine

&lt;i&gt;egomaniac&lt;/i&gt;

How so?

Are you not in agreement with the assertion that an egomaniac tends to use violence to assert himself?

Are you not in danger of defining a strong personality as something negative?

An egomaniac tends to want everything for himself despite the protests of others. Who protested against John Hume? Did he want everything for himself? Or only what was due to him?

Finally it takes one to know one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josephine</p>
<p><i>egomaniac</i></p>
<p>How so?</p>
<p>Are you not in agreement with the assertion that an egomaniac tends to use violence to assert himself?</p>
<p>Are you not in danger of defining a strong personality as something negative?</p>
<p>An egomaniac tends to want everything for himself despite the protests of others. Who protested against John Hume? Did he want everything for himself? Or only what was due to him?</p>
<p>Finally it takes one to know one.</p>
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		<title>By: josephine</title>
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		<dc:creator>josephine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the sdlp&#039;s problems have nothing to do with their inability to harness the web - their problem is that they&#039;re led by a dingbat who was put there by an egomaniac not to grow the sdlp but to ensure the egomaniac&#039;s legacy was untouched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the sdlp&#8217;s problems have nothing to do with their inability to harness the web &#8211; their problem is that they&#8217;re led by a dingbat who was put there by an egomaniac not to grow the sdlp but to ensure the egomaniac&#8217;s legacy was untouched.</p>
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		<title>By: wild turkey</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/01/24/lessons-from-obama-for-northern-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-291317</link>
		<dc:creator>wild turkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;if the term 38 weeks means anything to you&#039;

Hey Mick,

Good luck and hope everyone is well and everything goes well.

&#039;treat your supporters with respect&#039;  uh, how bout treating the voters with respect?  

I know it is beyond cliche, but in my limited (emphasis on limited) experience of and exposure to the SDLP, what a collection of smug, self-satisfied and uninspiring non-entities.  Obviously, the usual caveat applies and this descriptor does not apply to all in the SDLP. But on balance, would I vote for the current SDLP?  Like fuck.  Why bother with a tray bake sale when whats required is a wholesome and healthy knuckle sandwich.

&#039;Be bold and ... be prepared for a culture shock&#039;.  
Why not, maybe the torch is being passed to a new generation.  But I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;if the term 38 weeks means anything to you&#8217;</p>
<p>Hey Mick,</p>
<p>Good luck and hope everyone is well and everything goes well.</p>
<p>&#8216;treat your supporters with respect&#8217;  uh, how bout treating the voters with respect?  </p>
<p>I know it is beyond cliche, but in my limited (emphasis on limited) experience of and exposure to the SDLP, what a collection of smug, self-satisfied and uninspiring non-entities.  Obviously, the usual caveat applies and this descriptor does not apply to all in the SDLP. But on balance, would I vote for the current SDLP?  Like fuck.  Why bother with a tray bake sale when whats required is a wholesome and healthy knuckle sandwich.</p>
<p>&#8216;Be bold and &#8230; be prepared for a culture shock&#8217;.<br />
Why not, maybe the torch is being passed to a new generation.  But I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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