Willie Frazer, Conor Murphy and fantasies
The Newsletter is reporting that Willie Frazer claims to have been the victim of an attempted kidnap in South Armagh; his own website also contains details of this episode, including the suggestion that this episode might have been in preparation for the murder of Mr. Frazer. Conor Murphy has described Mr. Frazer as “….a well-known fantastist.” Jim Allister seems less than convinced by this explanation.
Just read your link from the Protestant Pravda. It reads like some sort of Boys own tale.
The sooner Willie [Walter Mitty] Frtazer gets the help he needs the better.
I must agree Willie’s site is always a bit odd and this time is no exception. The claim that his car was surrounded and an attempt was made to remove him from it, is, however, important. The police seem to be taking the claim seriously. The bit about him being about to be murdered in Crossmaglen may be rather silly but the idea of him being abducted and then murdered does have a precedent does not it? In addition Conor Murphy’s instant reaction also has a precedent.
Ithank the lord that willie is safe, and admire his courage in standing up to these thugs/scum in south armagh. As for conor murphy, i wouldnt believe a single word from his mouth, and it is interesting to see people dismiss it as “fantasy”, sadly for young paul quinn the fantasy world of south armagh was all too real. Willie has my 100% respect.
If willie fraser is so believable why did the caera man not back up his story?
Funny old world, smells like a set up by wee willie for the “documentary”
Frankly I think Murphy nailed it in one
How long more can Willie milk his victim status without bordering on the ridiculous. Oh wait, he’s just done it.
Ahh Willie ‘they should never have in jail in the first place’ Frazer.
‘they should never have been in jail in the first place’ *
After reading the first Newsletter report I was a little sceptical. However, this new article in the Newsletter makes more sense and is a lot more credible.
ah willie you belong in hollywood! your talented imagination is going to waste on this side of the atlantic!
Fantastic
Never mind yer aul titanic building, come up to Cross for an experience in fantasy land. meet wiley willie who arrives every couple of weeks for another hair raising escapade, “Jaysus, it’s the rale stuff, boys, near kidnapped near Cross! an’ a big bomb in Jonesboro!! jaysus, boys!!.”
Willie’s not on his own on the fantasy road as we have Minister Connor who is on a fantasy road to a United Ireland via Stormont driven by…, ah no, he doesn’t drive for him any more.
On this fantastical road you will see lots of little folk cleaning bad colours out of diesel, environmental work of course and all in the name of old Ireland, you will notice large deposits of lithuanian whiskey where once grew good poitin and there are large sheds with bin bags full of money alongside the cigarrettes waiting to be divided between the shankill and the falls.
Aye, willie is a fantatist but why wouldn’t he, are we all at it every beddy day we pretend to live in some kind of normal society. that applies especailly to sth armagh.
excuse and apologies,
last line of my previous post should have read “aren’t we all it every bleddy day we pretend to live in some kind of normal society. That applies especially to sth armagh.
well its a change from getting kidnapped by shape shifting aliens representing the 13th tribe of Israel(lost and found)fundamentalist branch of the rulers of the Planet Xenu.
I hope Willie gets plenty of Financial support from both Governments to carry on this work and long may he prosper.
Just been on weepin Willie’s site and even if he wasn’t an egomaniacal self publicist I’d still have trouble believing anything that he says. Anyone who constantly refers to themselves in the third person, a la Johnny Adair, is psychologically imbalanced.
“I want to make it absolutely clear I am not out to stir the pot on policing and justice”
Freudian slip by Willie methinks
Sinn Fein members machine-gunned to death law-abiding Protestants while they were at prayer. They have murdered members of the security forces. They have massacred Protestant workers earning an honest crust. (manual labour, not diesel smuggling). They have bombed our main cities for decades. They are conviced fraudsters, torturers and cold-blooded executioners. And you care to believe them over Willie Frazer who, let it be said, was not allowed have a peaceful commemoration in Dublin, the foreign Mecca of Bandit Country’s scum.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1986552.ece
after just watching that clip on his site what amazes me is that any sane person with an ounce on common sense can take this man at face value…
“inbreds” and “I`ll follow your lorries” he must be a real kick at the office xmas ball…
Lost the plot…
Shirley
I don’t hold with all that subtlety. Why don’t you speak your mind?
Is there any coorbarating evidence fromk the camera man in question.
Mr Fraser has a penchant for publicity and a reputation for a certain excentricity.
It is difficult to accept his story easily therefore.
If you go looking for trouble you’ll always find it and if you don’t find it you can always invent it and if you do find a little you can always exaggerate it.
There’s no such thing as bad publicity.
I hope Willie gets the help he needs, till then I hope he keeps taking the tablets…
“A reputation for a certain excentricity”
LOL, You’re very diplomatic GGN.
a question arises as to how wille just happens to arrive in sth armagh , the republican part, when something is about to happen such as raids for laundered diesel around cross or a ‘bomb’ in jonesboro. would a wee mole in the psni be phoning willie??
This alleged incident needs to be fully investigated. The local MP should be urging all witnesses to come forward, that is an obligation of his position as MP and Stormont Minister. If there is nothing to Frazier’s claims, then he is discredited. If there is something to his claim, then the perpetrators should be pursued.
It merits investigation because Frazier’s claim is reasonable due to local unlawful activity of a similar nature. Witnesses will be critical to the investigation and that’s where the local MP needs to step up to his responsibilities.
I am so relieved that Willie Frazer is safe and well and that he has been able to foil a kidnapping attempt by overpowering twenty men all on his own (the photographer’s professional neutrality making him useless as an ally). A kidnapping would not have been good. Where on earth could anyone be found to pay a ransom to get him back?
Often in cases like these, where aliens are involved in the abduction, victims (well male victims at least) commonly complain that they were subjected to ‘anal probing’. Has Willie by any chance mentioned if any of this anal probing business was involved in his drama?
If so, I would recommend that he get in touch with Iris Robinson as soon as possible. I hear that she is very knowledgeable about this sort of thing.
IRA Green Book says, [u]“Execution, as earlier stated is not the only way of making this category of establishment enemy ineffective: we can variously expose them as liars, hypocrites, collaborators, make them subjects of ridicule etc.”[/u]
It would seem Conor Murphy is trying to make Frazer out to be a subject of ridicule.
It’s hard not to feel sorry for Willie- what he’s gone through is the stuff of nightmares.
But, some people in his shoes develop an empathy for other victims, pray for reconciliation, hope no one else has to suffer the same thing.
Willie’s gone the opposite way, allowing the hatred to build in himself and defending paramilitaries and nutjobs like Billy Wright.
I wonder what sort of relationship he has with his wife and kids, if he has any. He strikes me as a deeply unhappy man that doesn’t seem to want to put his life back together.
“It would seem Conor Murphy is trying to make Frazer out to be a subject of ridicule”
Nah UMH, Willie does that alright by himself
I tell you what, if I had as many close family members murdered by the IRA as Frazer has, I would be looking to jail these bastards and the criminal empire they run in Armagh. Thanks God, none of my close family members have been killed and I can only sympathise with Willie and hope that he succeeds in bringing these bastards to justice.
Keep it up Wille, don’t let the scum bring you down.
It would seem Conor Murphy is trying to make Frazer out to be a subject of ridicule.
Willie doesn’t need Murphy to make him the subject of ridicule, he does a good enough job himself.
Does Willie still regard udr assassin Robert McConnell as an innocent victim?
“[i]Willie doesn’t need Murphy to make him the subject of ridicule, he does a good enough job himself.”[/i]
well that’s funny, I don’t think he does. He’s a man fighting for the rights of victims in lawless South Armagh and he needs help from everyone. If you think he makes himself look ridiculous, you obviously have no sympathy to give towards him, he’s a man who’s lost the dearest members of his family to a bunch of murdering scum and if you can’t find any sympathy in your heart for his cause, you’re the one who’s looking ridiculous.
“He’s a man fighting for the rights of victims in lawless South Armagh and he needs help from everyone”
Including Robery McConnell?
“[Frazer] rejected claims that his father was in the UVF or that Joe McCullough, the UDR man whose throat had been slit by the IRA in 1976, had been in the UVF and involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. UDR man Robert McConnell has also been linked to the UVF. His nephew Brian McConnell is prominent in FAIR. Frazer said that some of the UDR men shot in south Armagh, including Robert McConnell, had been helping the British SAS in undercover operations against the IRA.
Robert McConnell has subsequently been identified as being responsible for the killing of the Reavey brothers the day before the Kingsmill massacre. This killing, and others was carried out by security force personnel in unionist paramilitary organizations – the terms UDR-UVF-RUC described the same people. Some the same personnel were also implicated in involvement in the Dublin-Monaghan bombings”
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74675?comment_order=asc
Paul, what’s the point of this propaganda? Has it anything against Frazer are you trying to say he’s a terrorist?
No, I’m saying he’s a hypocrite however the cops would appear to have a different opinion.
“The court heard that a certificate had been refused because of police intelligence that Mr Frazer had associated with paramilitaries”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3958149.stm
You may call it propaganda. I call it fact
“[i]No, I’m saying he’s a hypocrite however the cops would appear to have a different opinion.”[/i]
How’s he a hypocrite?
“[i]“The court heard that a certificate had been refused because of police intelligence that Mr Frazer had associated with paramilitaries”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3958149.stm
You may call it propaganda. I call it fact”[/i]
Jeekers, are we not past this propaganda stuff? Father Reid ‘associated’ with paramilitaries, Hell, there’s a whole book load of people who ‘associated’ with terrorists, even Gandi. Shall we disregard their rights?
Just to help us keep things in perspective, let’s be thankful that Northern Ireland no longer figures on this list:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/3534072/In-pictures-worlds-most-dangerous-places.html
What media organisation was this cameraman working for?
Oor’ Willie seems gutted that the SAS and their loyalist lackeys can’t get into South Armagh to administer their kind of justice against nationalists anymore. We fail your pain, Willie. No doubt he’s now hot-footing it to Extravision to hire another old Bond film to find a new sidekick for his next adventure -
Sadly Pussy Galore would not appear to be a credible option for wee Willie at this time.
I think the point is that he’s very selective in the “Innocent Relatives” he “Acts” for.
Eugene Reavey is one of the few people who knows how it feels to go through the pain Frazer’s went through, losing three of his brothers in 24 hours.
Yet Frazer had no problem engangering his life by hosting on his site the implication that he was involved in the Kingsmills massacre. This despite the RUC and Alan Black (survivor of Kingsmills) saying this was not the case.
Likewise, as has been stated before, he believes Loyalist paramilitaries shouldn’t have been jailed. The Catholics and Protestants shot at Greysteel don’t count as Innocent Relatives apparently.
The man might have went through a lot, and I’m sorry for his loss, but let’s call a spade a spade. He’s a bigot.
I can’t understand the sarcasm Sluggers are using regards this attempted murder?? definite abduction innocent in South Armagh. Just think for one moment if it was your wife, husband, son or daughter, would you post in the same manner?
Thankfully he wasn’t abducted otherwise there may have been a ‘Free Willie’ film.
I’ll get me coat…
Sneakers O’Toole
“[i]I think the point is that he’s very selective in the “Innocent Relatives” he “Acts” for.
you say he’s ‘selective’ in the innocents, How so?
He’s a htpocrite for this:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74511
And for all the reasons Sneakers mentions above.
“Father Reid ‘associated’ with paramilitaries”
Did the cops say this?
italics fixed, hopefully [/i]
You’re still talking italics, UMH-No change there then…
“[i]He’s a htpocrite for this:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74511“[/i]
How does that prove he’s a hypocrite?
Hi, Paul you can do better than that.
“[i]And for all the reasons Sneakers mentions above.”[/i]
so you’re using posts by another member to back up your argument? Hummmmm? Paul here’s a tip, get out of the habit of using propaganda sites to back up your argument, Susan McKay and the hord of segregationists she works for would like nothing else than the likes of you to spread her shit.
Great link, 6 countyprod-some very striking photos there on the most dangerous places in the world, although I’m a bit surprised that Shaftesbury Square at closing time didn’t make it onto the list.
Listen to Willie tell his story of “what he believed was a kidnap attempt” to David Dunseith here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00fnb76
It is the first item so no waiting or skipping required.
UMH
“you say he’s ‘selective’ in the innocents, How so?”
It’s all in my post UMH, I’m not sure I can elaborate any more without basically repeating myself! Is there any specific part you disagree with?
Why’s Willie a hypocrite, hmmmm, where do I start?
How about campaigning for allegedly ‘innocent victims’ like Robert McConnell and then branding innocent victim Eugene Reavey a mass murderer?
How about speaking of murder and so called ethnic cleansing yet have ‘a lot of time’ for a notoriously sectarian death squad leader?
How about condemning terrorism while claiming the loyalists should never have been in jail for their acts of terrorism?
Clear enough for you UMH?
“So you’re using posts by another member to back up your argument?”
Where do the rules on Slugger say that you can’t agree with other bloggers?
Regardless of what anyone else says my opinions on Willie’s hypocrisy stand alone and are judged on their own strengths, however, Willie’s contradictions are so obvious it’s almost inevitable that there will be an overlap of opinion. I suspect that you’re trying to build a straw man.
“Get out of the habit of using propaganda sites to back up your argument, Susan McKay and the horde of segregationists she works for would like nothing else than the likes of you to spread her shit”
The Irish Times a propaganda site? Haven’t heard it called that before. So what do you reckon UMH was poor wee Willie misquoted by McKay or was she simply telling lies?
David Dunseith comes across dodgy in that link your supplied rory.
Thanks Paul McMahon