Bangor and Belfast lead the way
1. Bangor and Belfast with 7
2. Carrickfergus with 3
3. Newtownards with 2
4. Ballycarry, Omagh, Ballyclare, Holywood, Randalstown, Glengormley, Ahoghill, Comber, Dungannon, Newtownabbey, Newry, Armagh, Donaghadee, Larne, Lisburn, Portadown , Fintona, Portrush, Lurgan, Portstewart and Coleraine all with 1.
So what’s the list? It is the number of members the BNP have in those areas according to their full leaked membership doing the rounds (names, addresses, phonenumbers, in some cases jobs etc). I won’t link the actual doc unless/until Mick gives the nod (so don’t do it in the comments) but in the meantime feel free to read their members absolutely crapping themselves.
I counted a total of 39 members in the north of Ireland.
How can the ban on policemen being members of the BNP be legal? I presume the ban doesn’t apply to other political parties. I’ve no love for the BNP, but either the ban should extend to all political parties, or if they feel that the BNP is not a fit party for a policeman to join then it is not fit for anyone to join and they should ban the party outright.
BNP member at closed BNP meeting:
“I am proud to be white British and I don’t care who knows it. I will stand up and be counted. I would die for my country.”
BNP member today:
“…this could ruin me.It makes me want to puke on my shoes”.
Like the Soviet tanks at the Battle of Kursk, once we’ve got these Nazi bastards on the run we should keep them on the run and drive them back into the festering isolation of their own sickness.
We are once again in for an endless round of blame games as the hardcore turn on each other (you can see them at it already on their websites) and the day-trippers scurry off like cockroaches when a light is tripped.
Well done the anti-fascist infilitrators in the BNP who made this possible and brought a smile to our lips.
RE, Dec, post 49.
How Black and White your analysis is (Pardon the Pun) But nearly(Whether the concept of Country even existed in those times) every country has been invaded, given away,its wealth negotiated by thier elites. Did you know the Anglo Normans were invited into Ireland, Every Anglo Irish landlords agents were Irish, Gombeens Irish, Police carrying out tennant evictions-Irish.
Invasion and rule by other more advanced ethnic groups, militarily, socially, intelectually always happens, Its Natural Law.
Do you think if the Irish were in the position The Anglo-Normans were in Centuries ago, Invaded England stayed there for Hundreds of years would have done anything differently and it would be all just fine ?
Your views are an oxymoron, you advocate anger at the British for invading Ireland-other Nations, yet condemn the BNP opposing ‘Mass Immigration’ another form of ‘legal’ Invasion, by your logic the Protestant Plantation was a happy affair and would never have resulted in any future conflict,sarcasm intended, in other words a large ethnic imposed non indigenous group creates conflict? isnt that what your post is inferring? Hows that any different for Britain and the BNP objections to the same ?
the ban is legal on the bnp, race relations, etc…
Serves the bastards right for all the people they have put up on Redwatch.
The guy at Palace Barracks has moved on anyway..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7737612.stm
The slightly bigger irony is that none of these morons appear to have a problem with the fact that the British invaded other countries, overthrew the rulers and then spent a couple of hundred years telling the locals what to do or else!
Indeed Dec, true!
“How can the ban on policemen being members of the BNP be legal?”
To be a Garda and a member of Sinn Féin was/is deemed unacceptable!
“Hows that any different for Britain and the BNP objections to the same ?”
At the core of the BNP is the belief that being white is better than others! Are you familar with their material and rantings at all?
This gave me a laugh in the Guardian:
“An MoD spokesman told guardian.co.uk that he and colleagues found the views of the BNP “abhorrent”.
But he added: “Our position that individuals are allowed to join political parties as long as they uphold our values and standards.”
It seems that the values and standards aren’t mutually antagonistic then!
What would happen if Slugger was able to publish a list of its commentators real names alongside the text of all their comments?
I mean the BNP are a nasty fascist little party, but publishing names, addresses and phone-numbers is a nasty facist little tactic, which only makes the person who has done this as much a fascist as the BNP themselves.
Also, in the round, allowing the BNP to portray themselves as victims will only strengthen them electorally.
Didn’t the Irish republicans assist the Nazi’s during the 2nd world war? I guess no surprise that we have BNP members in Dublin and Galway then!
‘We serve King nor Kaiser but Ireland.’
You should really use the Fine Gael and the Blueshirts argument – its much more fun!
The fact that there are teachers, policemen etc on the list shows its not just knuckle dragging jingoists in the BNP, they are intelligent and coherent
ROFL. Someone being a cop or a teacher is a good indication of intelligence? Jesus I think I’m going to wet myself that IS funny.
I had teachers who had attained thirds at uni. Geniuses obviously. As for the cops, they’re intelligence tested, but the bars pretty low. I have a former school friend who didn’t get enough GCSEs to go back to do A levels. He’s a cop, outside of Curry’s it was the only place that would have him.
Shortly after the overthrow of Mussolini ‘s Fascist regime in Italy a wave of factory occupations swept the country . In one small Milanese factory the workers told the manager who was a well known Mussolini supporter that they would refuse him entry to the factory unless he stood for a whole day in the town square with a placard round his neck saying ‘I was a Fascist’
He agreed . When he returned to the workshop next day his ribs were black and blue .
‘What happened ask?’ asked one of the workers .
‘Were you beaten up ‘?
‘No,’ said the manager.’Its just that people kept on sidling up to me , digging me in the ribs and saying ‘I was one too ‘ .
So what puzzles me is this Mr Mark McGregor. You count 39 in the North of Ireland (this fictional place). As you obviously are either bad at geography or in a deluded united ireland state of mind why would you not mention the BNP members in Dublin and Galway? i.e west and south of Ireland?
Mark’s total incidentally is wrong – a quick sort of the excel file by postcode shows 41 members based in NI. Interestingly the BBC also incorrectly states that there are 39 people on the NI list. I wonder where they lifted that info from
“I mean the BNP are a nasty fascist little party, but publishing names, addresses and phone-numbers is a nasty facist little tactic, which only makes the person who has done this as much a fascist as the BNP themselves.”
Well most fingers are being pointed at former BNP members, so very likely you’re correct on that score.
The BNP’s Redwatch is rightly condemned by the left, yet when the self same tactic is employed against the right it seems it is three cheers all round.
There is a disturbing element within the politics of the left that appears to have difficulty in understanding that human rights are universal and must always be defended; this extends even to those in society seeking to promote the most obnoxious views.
As to the predictable posts suggesting that fascistic leanings do not feature in Irish republicanism it is worth remembering that Ireland’s anti-fascist record is not without blemish. Ireland is unique in having produced more volunteers to fight for Franco during the Spanish Civil War than fought against him.
Valenciano,
Cheers. I pasted it over to word and did a find on ‘bt’ but the email accounts with that included made it a bit of a nightmare nightmare.
At least we know the BBC trust Slugger so much they’ll do a lift without a check – that’ll learn them! ;0)
AS,
As for not checking for those in the south – after the hell of trying to spot the nordies I wasn’t going to start searching every town name in Ireland (they don’t have postcodes in the south)
Your views are an oxymoron, you advocate anger at the British for invading Ireland-other Nations, yet condemn the BNP opposing ‘Mass Immigration’ another form of ‘legal’ Invasion, by your logic the Protestant Plantation was a happy affair and would never have resulted in any future conflict,sarcasm intended, in other words a large ethnic imposed non indigenous group creates conflict?
Sam
That would be a very good point…if I’d actually said any of these things. Still if you want to guage my entire historical perspective from three lines about the patent hypocrisy of a British Nationalist party’s views on immigration into Britain, go knock yourself out.
Alan: I have judged the BNP on the basis of an understanding of the damage they have done and contimue to do in this society.
I would judge them in the same manner and on the same scale – but – do the ends justify the means?
What is your hypothetical position on releasing the membership list of the political party that was happy to endorse the IRA blowing up my town centre twice during the troubles?
Mark – control+F and type “Ireland” and there you go.
You can search for “Northern Ireland” too if it doesn’t disturb you too much to bring yourself to acknowledge that we exist.
Oh dear, just spotted a namesake (but only 1)on the list but i can confirm i had never heard of him and don’t intend to add him to my Xmas card list.
As to the predictable posts suggesting that fascistic leanings do not feature in Irish republicanism it is worth remembering that Ireland’s anti-fascist record is not without blemish. Ireland is unique in having produced more volunteers to fight for Franco during the Spanish Civil War than fought against him.
If you think the Blueshirts had anything to do with Republicanism come the 1930s, then you’ve a poor grasp of Irish history.
You can search for “Northern Ireland” too if it doesn’t disturb you too much to bring yourself to acknowledge that we exist.
There’s no mention of “Northern Ireland” nor indeed the “Province” or “Ulster” in the list. Clearly the BNP don’t acknowledge you exist either.
Best response so far from the BNP:
Mr Griffin admitted that the Human Rights Act was one of the BNP’s pet hates, but denied that using it to enforce the privacy of its members was hypocrisy.
Er… :^)
There’s no mention of “Northern Ireland” nor indeed the “Province” or “Ulster” in the list. Clearly the BNP don’t acknowledge you exist either.
If you have the list then you’ll see that it doesn’t mention England Wales or Scotland either. As NI is a part of the UK then only the county is required.
The “north of Ireland” is where exactly?
The “north of Ireland” is where exactly?
Er, in the north. Similarly the east is in the east. Don’t they teach you kids basic geography any more?
It actually concerns me that you are linking to a Nationalist blogsite and wonder if this is the best thing to do. thay may be ‘crapping themselves’ but is it wise to link to a site that has actually given a full name and address of one of its members.
The BBC, presumably lifting a comment straight off this site, say that there are 2 BNP members in the ‘south’ (aka the 26, liberated, counties
):
“Two people in the Republic of Ireland were also on the list. ”
I counted four, however. One each from Dublin, Galway, Kerry and Sligo.
That means that the south has about 10% of the number of the north, and its not even in the UK! Wierd. I guess the people are ex-pat Brits, like some in the north too.
The BBC do give a warning that they have no responsibility for content on links to external websites.
Maybe a wee disclaimer that they can’t stand over material lifted from blogs they make no effort to verify, don’t admit to having pinched and then dropping their news pieces, would be in order?
Muppets.
(this it great, it lets me off the hook for getting my numbers wrong in the first place)
Sandy Baxter, a former plod who lives in Portstewart is happy enough!
“I’m in a party I firmly believe in and why should I not hold my head high like anyone else,” he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7737612.stm
This Mornings Irish News Story Claims that ‘Strict Guidlines governing the Police mean no member of the PSNI-officer of Civilian-may be a member of the Party’(BNP)
Given the fact that the PSNI lists officers from the LOL, black preceptory and Free Masons, God knows what the Masons do?, the LOL et all surely some could be described as at least Bigoted-Sectarian and Racist? Thus undermining public confidence.
Or are local Dubios groups in service to the state excempt from such repugnant indignation and ridicule? Either include all or expel all.
Its the feckin Hypocrisy that gets to me the most.
“Personally, I do not believe that you can operate effectively for your clients as a social worker, doctor etc if you hold racist beliefs.
Posted by Alan on Nov 19, 2008 @ 08:18 AM”
Hmmmm. If only it were that simple.
There are two NHS doctors on trial for trying to blow up Glasgow airport at the minute. Now they may be acquitted, but at least one has said in evidence that he supports the Iraqi struggle against the west. I don’t want to get into the merits of that conflict, but if we’d told him there would have to be a vetting before he was appointed – just in case he veered over the limit of respectable opposition-I somehow doubt that you’d be knocked down in the rush to support the policy.
That said, I don’t see why all parties shouldn’t be made to publish membership. If you believe in something enough to join a party, what’s to be ashamed of? Yep, their squirming is funny, but these people have the right to equal treatment, no matter how odious their views, and some of the sanctimonious posturing of Shinner types on this thread might be less blatasnt if we could see their own bona (properly mala) mides
I recall some 20 years ago that there was a great furore over ‘political vetting’. This was almost universally regarded as a bad thing as community groups and projects were denied government funding on the grounds that someone associated with the project or group in question was also a member of a suspect organisation or party. Has political vetting suddenly become respectable?
“Didn’t the Irish republicans assist the Nazi’s during the 2nd world war? ”
A few did but less than the number of Dutch people.