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		<title>By: darrmont</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-252216</link>
		<dc:creator>darrmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UUP clearly feel the need of this link as they appear in danger of losing all contact with westminster at the next general election. 

David Cameron is in it because he will do anything to get his name in the news, he is no real politician he is even more of a wimp than Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UUP clearly feel the need of this link as they appear in danger of losing all contact with westminster at the next general election. </p>
<p>David Cameron is in it because he will do anything to get his name in the news, he is no real politician he is even more of a wimp than Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: It was Sammy McNally what done it</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-252122</link>
		<dc:creator>It was Sammy McNally what done it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything that Wee Reggie touches...

Has any respectable British politican ( except for Enoch ) ever turned up at an OO rally ? It is an organisation viewed by the majority of British mainlanders as bigoted and sectarian.

Secular Unioinsts need to stand up and  say clearly that the OO is not for them if they ever want to throw off their appalling image they portray to those with whom they claim to share a national identity and Posh boy David will be treading very carefully to avoid being too closely asosciated with the religious zealots of unionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything that Wee Reggie touches&#8230;</p>
<p>Has any respectable British politican ( except for Enoch ) ever turned up at an OO rally ? It is an organisation viewed by the majority of British mainlanders as bigoted and sectarian.</p>
<p>Secular Unioinsts need to stand up and  say clearly that the OO is not for them if they ever want to throw off their appalling image they portray to those with whom they claim to share a national identity and Posh boy David will be treading very carefully to avoid being too closely asosciated with the religious zealots of unionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-252070</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I simply cannot accept that they are all content with being merged with the Tories, especially as their Deputy Chairman with responsibility for Policy has made plain what he thinks about a key part of the coalition that makes up the UUP.&quot;

And lo it came to pass...David McNarry broke ranks today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I simply cannot accept that they are all content with being merged with the Tories, especially as their Deputy Chairman with responsibility for Policy has made plain what he thinks about a key part of the coalition that makes up the UUP.&#8221;</p>
<p>And lo it came to pass&#8230;David McNarry broke ranks today.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Muller</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-252044</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UUP Education spokesman Billy Armstrong was part of a UUP team knocking doors in Cultra today.

When asked a simple question re: selection he folded like a packs of cards. Truly pathetic.

The UUP would need to set a prerequisit regarding depth of gene pool before they select their next mid-ulster candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UUP Education spokesman Billy Armstrong was part of a UUP team knocking doors in Cultra today.</p>
<p>When asked a simple question re: selection he folded like a packs of cards. Truly pathetic.</p>
<p>The UUP would need to set a prerequisit regarding depth of gene pool before they select their next mid-ulster candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Conquistador</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251970</link>
		<dc:creator>Conquistador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tits Magee, despite his name comes desperately close to making a good point.

To claim the the last Conservative Government was anti unionist is a little too simplified for real life. Maggie did stand up to the Hunger strikers, and legislated to stop criminals standing for parliament again after Sands&#039; victory. She did make numerous pro-NI speeches and comments (British as Finchley).

I&#039;m not defending the AIA, far from it, but for Duppers to bring it up  as a stick to beat UUP/Cons with is on a power with Ulster Unionists attacking the DUP for being pro-agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tits Magee, despite his name comes desperately close to making a good point.</p>
<p>To claim the the last Conservative Government was anti unionist is a little too simplified for real life. Maggie did stand up to the Hunger strikers, and legislated to stop criminals standing for parliament again after Sands&#8217; victory. She did make numerous pro-NI speeches and comments (British as Finchley).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending the AIA, far from it, but for Duppers to bring it up  as a stick to beat UUP/Cons with is on a power with Ulster Unionists attacking the DUP for being pro-agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tits Magee</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251964</link>
		<dc:creator>Tits Magee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its taken a while but someone has finally mentioned the Anglo-Irish Agreement! Hooray!

The infamous Tory plot to unify Ireland!!!!

Remind me again, did the Tories ever sign up to terrorists in Government or releasing murderers and the rest...hmmm, not sure.

And what was the first agreement in which the Irish Government recognised NI? Surely not the Anglo-Irish?? Oh, actually it was...

What a sell-out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its taken a while but someone has finally mentioned the Anglo-Irish Agreement! Hooray!</p>
<p>The infamous Tory plot to unify Ireland!!!!</p>
<p>Remind me again, did the Tories ever sign up to terrorists in Government or releasing murderers and the rest&#8230;hmmm, not sure.</p>
<p>And what was the first agreement in which the Irish Government recognised NI? Surely not the Anglo-Irish?? Oh, actually it was&#8230;</p>
<p>What a sell-out!</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251957</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but I maintain that Northern Ireland’s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster&quot;

And exactly what has that strategy delivered over the last 35 years? They&#039;ve struggled to even make friends, never mind the more important influencing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but I maintain that Northern Ireland’s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster&#8221;</p>
<p>And exactly what has that strategy delivered over the last 35 years? They&#8217;ve struggled to even make friends, never mind the more important influencing business.</p>
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		<title>By: bisto</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251955</link>
		<dc:creator>bisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floody

When the Tories sold us out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floody</p>
<p>When the Tories sold us out?</p>
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		<title>By: Floody Watters</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251953</link>
		<dc:creator>Floody Watters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Northern Ireland’s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster&#039;

I agree this strategy worked really well in 1985 when unionists had 15 of the 18 seats at Westminster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Northern Ireland’s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster&#8217;</p>
<p>I agree this strategy worked really well in 1985 when unionists had 15 of the 18 seats at Westminster</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251935</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand amused and corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand amused and corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Conquistador</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251934</link>
		<dc:creator>Conquistador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blackmouth Fair enough, my mistake, although when I read your endorsement of George Savage on another thread I thought you were a UUP supporter (or insane!) LOL

Understandable, you&#039;d need to be to support him, but in that case I was being (very) sarcastic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackmouth Fair enough, my mistake, although when I read your endorsement of George Savage on another thread I thought you were a UUP supporter (or insane!) LOL</p>
<p>Understandable, you&#8217;d need to be to support him, but in that case I was being (very) sarcastic</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251933</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This departing shot: I have always maintained that the Ulster Unionist Party was a coalition of sorts (threads/comments passim) I simply cannot accept that they are all content with being merged with the Tories, especially as their Deputy Chairman with responsibility for Policy has made plain what he thinks about a key part of the coalition that makes up the UUP. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that all people in the UUP with Labour sympathies are on-side for a merger, which is what David Cameron made very clear he wants to see happening. 

Despite appearances to the contrary on this thread I genuinely do want to see a Conservative government elected possibly in spite of rather than because of who the Tory Leader is, but I maintain that Northern Ireland&#039;s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster (a position I share with Lord Laird incidentally - one of David Davis&#039;s biggest cheerleaders in the NI media when he decided to force a by-election in Haltemprice) not in aligning ourselves openly with one party that whilst up in the polls today, will eventually be out of government at some point in the future.

Cheerio!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This departing shot: I have always maintained that the Ulster Unionist Party was a coalition of sorts (threads/comments passim) I simply cannot accept that they are all content with being merged with the Tories, especially as their Deputy Chairman with responsibility for Policy has made plain what he thinks about a key part of the coalition that makes up the UUP. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that all people in the UUP with Labour sympathies are on-side for a merger, which is what David Cameron made very clear he wants to see happening. </p>
<p>Despite appearances to the contrary on this thread I genuinely do want to see a Conservative government elected possibly in spite of rather than because of who the Tory Leader is, but I maintain that Northern Ireland&#8217;s position inside the Union is better served by the Unionist parties here making friends and influencing people inside both of the main parties at Westminster (a position I share with Lord Laird incidentally &#8211; one of David Davis&#8217;s biggest cheerleaders in the NI media when he decided to force a by-election in Haltemprice) not in aligning ourselves openly with one party that whilst up in the polls today, will eventually be out of government at some point in the future.</p>
<p>Cheerio!!</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251932</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conquistador

Fair enough, my mistake, although when I read your endorsement of George Savage on another thread I thought you were a UUP supporter (or insane!) LOL!

Redmouth

Especially from an uppity Presbyterian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conquistador</p>
<p>Fair enough, my mistake, although when I read your endorsement of George Savage on another thread I thought you were a UUP supporter (or insane!) LOL!</p>
<p>Redmouth</p>
<p>Especially from an uppity Presbyterian!</p>
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		<title>By: Conquistador</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251930</link>
		<dc:creator>Conquistador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blackmouth: Although being lectured by a UUP supporter 

I am non aligned. Although this is not the first time a slugger DUP started putting labels on me just because I don&#039;t unquestionly accept all that the DUP does</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackmouth: Although being lectured by a UUP supporter </p>
<p>I am non aligned. Although this is not the first time a slugger DUP started putting labels on me just because I don&#8217;t unquestionly accept all that the DUP does</p>
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		<title>By: Redmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251929</link>
		<dc:creator>Redmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have seen that coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have seen that coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251927</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No cap-doffing to Old Etonians here! Thanks very much! LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No cap-doffing to Old Etonians here! Thanks very much! LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Redmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251925</link>
		<dc:creator>Redmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blackmouth,

I am more than happy to bow to their superior position.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackmouth,</p>
<p>I am more than happy to bow to their superior position.<br />
 <img src='http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251923</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redmouth

&quot;I know what the answer is but it would appear that the word of a mere fool like myself is not plausible!&quot;

Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redmouth</p>
<p>&#8220;I know what the answer is but it would appear that the word of a mere fool like myself is not plausible!&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Redmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251922</link>
		<dc:creator>Redmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blackmouth,

I will say it one final time...

Write to Mr Cameron/Mr Paterson or whoever takes your fancy and ask them what the position is of the Conservative party reagrding academic selection and grammar schools in Northern Ireland.

I know what the answer is but it would appear that the word of a mere fool like myself is not plausible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackmouth,</p>
<p>I will say it one final time&#8230;</p>
<p>Write to Mr Cameron/Mr Paterson or whoever takes your fancy and ask them what the position is of the Conservative party reagrding academic selection and grammar schools in Northern Ireland.</p>
<p>I know what the answer is but it would appear that the word of a mere fool like myself is not plausible!</p>
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		<title>By: Blackmouth</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/12/while-waiting-for-the-working-group/comment-page-3/#comment-251920</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Mr Cameron dismissed the MPs&#039; concerns saying: &quot;I think this is an entirely pointless debate.&quot; 

&quot;He (Cameron) said history had shown that establishing grammar schools was &quot;extremely difficult and... often leads to them being very unpopular and they are then got rid of&quot;. 

He added: &quot;In 18 years of Conservative government, we didn&#039;t create a whole big number of grammar schools because parents fundamentally don&#039;t want their children divided into sheep and goats at the age of 11.&quot; 

Hardly a ringing endorsement, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Mr Cameron dismissed the MPs&#8217; concerns saying: &#8220;I think this is an entirely pointless debate.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;He (Cameron) said history had shown that establishing grammar schools was &#8220;extremely difficult and&#8230; often leads to them being very unpopular and they are then got rid of&#8221;. </p>
<p>He added: &#8220;In 18 years of Conservative government, we didn&#8217;t create a whole big number of grammar schools because parents fundamentally don&#8217;t want their children divided into sheep and goats at the age of 11.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hardly a ringing endorsement, eh?</p>
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