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		<title>By: 6countyprod</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-242597</link>
		<dc:creator>6countyprod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailytech.com/Australian+Astronomical+Society+Warns+of+Global+Cooling/article12250.htm&quot;&gt;Wow, maybe Sammy has been right all along!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Australian+Astronomical+Society+Warns+of+Global+Cooling/article12250.htm">Wow, maybe Sammy has been right all along!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abdul-Rahim</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-242412</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul-Rahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking forward to reading the Royal Society paper and being completely convinced however it fails to address the Medieval warming period. As it goes though, it did help allay some of my doubts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking forward to reading the Royal Society paper and being completely convinced however it fails to address the Medieval warming period. As it goes though, it did help allay some of my doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: POL</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241995</link>
		<dc:creator>POL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Sammy got his beliefs from the same school of thought as Homophobe Iris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Sammy got his beliefs from the same school of thought as Homophobe Iris.</p>
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		<title>By: John Swan</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241959</link>
		<dc:creator>John Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION - Re: classification of our local climate:
MMT should be WCMT(1)which is West Coast Maritime (Subtype 1). The same as Vancouver, BC. and some other place over there in Asia.
Wish it would change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION &#8211; Re: classification of our local climate:<br />
MMT should be WCMT(1)which is West Coast Maritime (Subtype 1). The same as Vancouver, BC. and some other place over there in Asia.<br />
Wish it would change.</p>
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		<title>By: John Swan</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241954</link>
		<dc:creator>John Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where exactly on this earth has there been one case reported of a permanent rise of sea level? 
Secondly, The earth has been divided into fixed cliamtic zones (all with their appelations, MMT(1) (Us)etc. for about 20,000 years. Where has there been one climate zone that has actually changed (Climate Change)in recent times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly on this earth has there been one case reported of a permanent rise of sea level?<br />
Secondly, The earth has been divided into fixed cliamtic zones (all with their appelations, MMT(1) (Us)etc. for about 20,000 years. Where has there been one climate zone that has actually changed (Climate Change)in recent times?</p>
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		<title>By: Peat Blog</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241798</link>
		<dc:creator>Peat Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very interesting 6countyprod but I got a bit distracted at the bottom of the first page and instead signed up for the free seminar on &quot;The Evolving Security Landscape&quot;. Don&#039;t be conned by the neo-cons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very interesting 6countyprod but I got a bit distracted at the bottom of the first page and instead signed up for the free seminar on &#8220;The Evolving Security Landscape&#8221;. Don&#8217;t be conned by the neo-cons.</p>
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		<title>By: 6countyprod</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241789</link>
		<dc:creator>6countyprod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Sorry, should have been Peat &lt;b&gt;Blog&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Sorry, should have been Peat <b>Blog</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: 6countyprod</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241786</link>
		<dc:creator>6countyprod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just hot off the press for Peat Bog...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/goddard_polar_ice/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just hot off the press for Peat Bog&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/goddard_polar_ice/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/goddard_polar_ice/</a></p>
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		<title>By: willowfield</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241766</link>
		<dc:creator>willowfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a full pound&#039;s better in your pocket than 40p helping someone in Africa. Right on, man.

Or put the money in the Provo collection tin instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a full pound&#8217;s better in your pocket than 40p helping someone in Africa. Right on, man.</p>
<p>Or put the money in the Provo collection tin instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241750</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, Willowfield, there is absolutely no chance of me putting a single penny in an Oxfam collection tin or that of any other charity for that matter. Twenty years of working as an accountant in the charity sector have long since cured me of any such naive foolishness.Into charity boxes I do not put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, Willowfield, there is absolutely no chance of me putting a single penny in an Oxfam collection tin or that of any other charity for that matter. Twenty years of working as an accountant in the charity sector have long since cured me of any such naive foolishness.Into charity boxes I do not put.</p>
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		<title>By: willowfield</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241727</link>
		<dc:creator>willowfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Peat Blog.

Rory tries to make out like industry is pushing the climate change agenda! They&#039;re the ones resisting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Peat Blog.</p>
<p>Rory tries to make out like industry is pushing the climate change agenda! They&#8217;re the ones resisting!</p>
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		<title>By: Peat Blog</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241717</link>
		<dc:creator>Peat Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rory,

Not worried about property in the way you think (I don&#039;t come from or own anything on the Ards). I simply used the Ards as a local example of where, if govt forecasts are correct, half of it will be under water later this century, if nothing is done that is. More worried about the poor mugs who buy the crap apartments that developers throw up when they shouldn&#039;t be allowed to by planning policy.

It&#039;s the poorest who will suffer in this all - but what to we care; we only want cheap fuel from unstable, autocratic regimes and bleat on about how &#039;socialist&#039; we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory,</p>
<p>Not worried about property in the way you think (I don&#8217;t come from or own anything on the Ards). I simply used the Ards as a local example of where, if govt forecasts are correct, half of it will be under water later this century, if nothing is done that is. More worried about the poor mugs who buy the crap apartments that developers throw up when they shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to by planning policy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the poorest who will suffer in this all &#8211; but what to we care; we only want cheap fuel from unstable, autocratic regimes and bleat on about how &#8216;socialist&#8217; we are.</p>
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		<title>By: willowfield</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241712</link>
		<dc:creator>willowfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rory

Remember not to put the pound coin in the Oxfam tin next time you come across a collector. After all, since you&#039;re not personally responsible for African poverty, there&#039;s no way you should be contributing the alleviation of it.

Better stick to fund-raising for the Provos, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory</p>
<p>Remember not to put the pound coin in the Oxfam tin next time you come across a collector. After all, since you&#8217;re not personally responsible for African poverty, there&#8217;s no way you should be contributing the alleviation of it.</p>
<p>Better stick to fund-raising for the Provos, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baker</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241706</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pete accuses us of of burying our heads in the SEP..&quot;

Not quite Rory.  But it is what Sammy&#039;s using - a SEP field, that is.

But you stick to your instincts.

I&#039;ll go with the scientific evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pete accuses us of of burying our heads in the SEP..&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite Rory.  But it is what Sammy&#8217;s using &#8211; a SEP field, that is.</p>
<p>But you stick to your instincts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go with the scientific evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: BfB</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241702</link>
		<dc:creator>BfB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole global warming scam is well on it’s way.
There’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul03/biofuels.renewableenergy&quot;&gt;THIS&lt;/a&gt;, not that I believe the magnitude, but it&#039;s only the tip of the (not melting) iceberg. So, again meet their friend Ben Dover.
    &#039;Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

    The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

    The figure emphatically contradicts the US government&#039;s claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole global warming scam is well on it’s way.<br />
There’s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul03/biofuels.renewableenergy">THIS</a>, not that I believe the magnitude, but it&#8217;s only the tip of the (not melting) iceberg. So, again meet their friend Ben Dover.<br />
    &#8216;Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% &#8211; far more than previously estimated &#8211; according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.</p>
<p>    The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.</p>
<p>    The figure emphatically contradicts the US government&#8217;s claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: BfB</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241699</link>
		<dc:creator>BfB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole global warming scam is well on it&#039;s way.
There&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy&quot;THIS&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole global warming scam is well on it&#8217;s way.<br />
There&#8217;s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy"THIS</a></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241698</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete accuses us of of burying our heads in the SEP (someone else&#039;s problem) syndrome. I don&#039;t see it like that. If the gloomy predictions of the global warming industry - and it is surely the current fastest growwing industry, albeit one that sells only by fear and profits by coercion, then clearly, if am still around, it will become my problem as well.

My current problem however is that I did nothing to create this crisis for which I am daily told I am responsible and for which I must therefore  pay. Big business created the problem and in so doing, in creating a society that made me dependent on these precious fossil fuels it ensured that I must work to create profits for its investors. Why the hell should I pay now that the same investors should profit from, if their prognostications are to be heeded, clearing up after their careless greed? I will not take on the guilt of the wrong doer while he laughs all the way to the bank as I pay for his sins. Not willingly that is, but then I doubt I will be given a choice, big business owns government (whatever  about that silly twat from Bean Town trolling  on about &quot;socialism&quot;).

Peat Blog is worried about property (or perhaps the effect on property values) on the Ards Peninsula to which I can only refer him to Catherine Tate - &quot; Look at my face - am I bovvered?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete accuses us of of burying our heads in the SEP (someone else&#8217;s problem) syndrome. I don&#8217;t see it like that. If the gloomy predictions of the global warming industry &#8211; and it is surely the current fastest growwing industry, albeit one that sells only by fear and profits by coercion, then clearly, if am still around, it will become my problem as well.</p>
<p>My current problem however is that I did nothing to create this crisis for which I am daily told I am responsible and for which I must therefore  pay. Big business created the problem and in so doing, in creating a society that made me dependent on these precious fossil fuels it ensured that I must work to create profits for its investors. Why the hell should I pay now that the same investors should profit from, if their prognostications are to be heeded, clearing up after their careless greed? I will not take on the guilt of the wrong doer while he laughs all the way to the bank as I pay for his sins. Not willingly that is, but then I doubt I will be given a choice, big business owns government (whatever  about that silly twat from Bean Town trolling  on about &#8220;socialism&#8221;).</p>
<p>Peat Blog is worried about property (or perhaps the effect on property values) on the Ards Peninsula to which I can only refer him to Catherine Tate &#8211; &#8221; Look at my face &#8211; am I bovvered?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BfB</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241687</link>
		<dc:creator>BfB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using verifiable facts to discredit the socialist global warming scheme? Has Slugger found it&#039;s mind?

BTW, having fun celebrating our Independence Day. Makes everything worth it. Maybe someday you guys will gain some..(independence, that is)...

I will not mention the whole eeeyoooo tragedy.
Honest.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using verifiable facts to discredit the socialist global warming scheme? Has Slugger found it&#8217;s mind?</p>
<p>BTW, having fun celebrating our Independence Day. Makes everything worth it. Maybe someday you guys will gain some..(independence, that is)&#8230;</p>
<p>I will not mention the whole eeeyoooo tragedy.<br />
Honest&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Peat Blog</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241674</link>
		<dc:creator>Peat Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is Sammy (or the whole Stormont administration) actually proposing to do to alleviate the effects of sea level rise which, assuming we can all believe that the ice caps are melting (because we can actually see it), could cuase major problems along our coast (goodbye Ards Peninsula)? Is there going to be an infrastructre fund; presumption against more apartment developments; a proper marine and coastline planning strategy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is Sammy (or the whole Stormont administration) actually proposing to do to alleviate the effects of sea level rise which, assuming we can all believe that the ice caps are melting (because we can actually see it), could cuase major problems along our coast (goodbye Ards Peninsula)? Is there going to be an infrastructre fund; presumption against more apartment developments; a proper marine and coastline planning strategy?</p>
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		<title>By: willowfield</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/07/04/misleading-arguments-4/comment-page-1/#comment-241664</link>
		<dc:creator>willowfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t understand why people don&#039;t understand the consequences of fossil fuel dependence. Do they not realise it won&#039;t last forever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t understand why people don&#8217;t understand the consequences of fossil fuel dependence. Do they not realise it won&#8217;t last forever?</p>
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