The gay man who became straight…
THE News Letter has tracked down a man who claims he used to be gay, but – with the help of Iris Robinson’s favourite psychologist – became straight. The man in question was the victim of sexual abuse when he was younger, and didn’t have a “concrete relationship” with his father, which he seems to believe contributed to his homosexuality. He adds: “I have found there are a whole range of factors that in some way stop a man becoming masculine. If they aren’t dealt with by puberty these needs are suddenly eroticised. Straight people often say ‘gay people must be born that way’ because they can’t understand it. But when I probe them more closely such people have always had healthy relationships with a significant male role model as they grew up.” It’s an interesting, somewhat tragic, story – but is it really possible to generalise for all gay men? I’m sure there are plenty of gay people who grew up in stable families, had healthy relationships with their fathers, are happy and secure in their sexuality and were never abused – aren’t there?
I apologise for the poor grammar in that last post, must preview in future.
I’m loathe to comment on this thread because it seems to be a spider’s web for nutcases, but here goes.
I don’t actually deny that some people’s sexuality evolves over time. One of the very early public gay rights activists in Northern Ireland – back in the days when it involved not only bricks through windows but harrassment from the police – has been happily married for several decades with several children. These things happened. What I equally don’t deny is that many people end up being badly screwed up by religious pressure or what could at best be called heavily directive counselling which convinces them that they’ll get over it all if they settle down with a nice woman, and then end up being caught in flagrante, and screwing up not only their own lives but also their wives and childrens. Paul Berry is probably the obvious local example. But he’s far from a unique case.
However, listening to Mr. Robinson speaking on Nolan this morning, it is clear that he has real issues doubtless related to the horrible experience of abuse he had as a child. Did any of you listen to that interview? After he had ‘his tank of masculinity filled’, he not only started wanting sex with women, but his voice dropped an octave? I mean, come on lads!
It sounds like the poor man was living a lie for his whole adult life. Given his childhood experiences, that his hardly surprising, and I wish him and his wife a happy and fulfilled life together. But he is hardly representative of most gay men.
“I don’t actually deny that some people’s sexuality evolves over time.”
Sammy Morse
No everyone´s does, perhaps you can explain to me how anyone can be born gay or born straight for that matter. In the absence of scientific evidence is this notion not just codswallop as unreliable as christian fundamentalist crap.
“he not only started wanting sex with women, but his voice dropped an octave? I mean, come on lads!”
Sammy Morse
I know a man who after 10 years of marraige to a woman, came out as a gay. Over a period of time living as a homosexual his mannerisms did change and yes his voice went up an octave. So perhaps this works in reverse.
I don’t pretend to understand how human sexuality develops. Neither does anyone else. And frankly, it doesn’t matter. People should be left in peace to live their own lives without wacko bigots like Irish using them as a dog whistle on the Nolan show or religious kooks telling them they’d better settle down with a woman or God will send them to hell.
If my voice dropped an octave, I could do voice overs for Darth Vader. You know, that sounds like a pleasant alternative to working for a living. Maybe I should become straight?
Iris may not have used the word ‘cure’, but by pointing out and playing up the psychiatric credentials of her friend she was clearly implying that homoexuality was a mental illness that was treatable.
“The gay priest syndrome is a way for the New World Order to colonise new cash cows. That explains the O’Gorman case and the Paul Shanley case is largley explained by it and “repressed memory” bs as well.”
Dave, can you explain briefly what you mean? Are you saying the Media is focusing on these cases to tarnish religion in general
Without his allegations that he had “sex with that priest Sean Fortune”, O’Gorman would still be making cappucinos for a living. The Irish government paid his One in Four a fortune for dubious services; the bulk of the money went to O’Gorman and his employees.
Although the Catholic Church is a church of often notorious sinners, it trie to preach a moral tale that stands opposed to the ideas of market and price. The Catholic Church also is heavily involved in charities, where lots of money changes hands. The New World Order wish to kill all things, such as moral perspectives that do not have a market price. They also want too further colonise the charity industry. Colm O’Gorman is a well paid soldier in this movement.
Paul Shanley is a defrocked Catholic priest that had rahter too many gay friends. He hung around with street kids and probably did bugger quite a few of them and thereby seriously break US law. However, his conviction is very unsound as it is based on psycho babble with no corraborating witnesses. In Ireland, are we to seriously believe that homosexual O’Gorman had a 2.5 year (coerced) sex scene with Fortune andno one cmmonented on it at the time and O’Gorman only moved on it years later when he was stuck in a low paid London job and yanks were getting millions of $$$ from the RC church.
Homosexuals like O’Gorman play the victim card for money and politics.
The pro poofter wing speak about things not being black and white, even as their own thinking is purely in those terms.
Doctor Who
My point is that Tom Robinson does not consider himself heterosexual – if you’d bothered to read the link I provided you might have grasped that rather than championing him as a shining example of a ‘turned’ gay.
Im really pleased that the DUP have seemingly done so well out of their 42 day vote. Yay!. Just think how emboldened these backwoods cretins will be now.
Willie McCrea talking about terrorism on the telly…..oh the irony.
DUP members on Fermanagh district council talking about “taigs” in open session.
Sammy Wilson as environment minister (!)
Iris(h) Robinsons big VERY STUPID mouth and the “News”letter’s cheerleading and the intelligent fools on here actually apologising for her lead me to the conclusion that this place is absolutely FUCKED.
What a horrible little shithole – Feeny was right in yesterdays Irish News.
Time to emigrate, this place is going backwards.
“that rather than championing him as a shining example of a ‘turned’ gay.”
Dec
No I don´t think I was doing that, I did read the link which clearly shows that Tom has moved considerably since his “Glad To Be Gay” days. He is arguing against pidgeon holing people in distinct categories when it comes to sexuality. Again the fact that he is now married with a family escapes you, a notion Tom would have laughed at back in 1978.
why are people so eager to assume that this chap in the News Leter just could not have been gay?
They are jumping to absolute conclusions with so little understanding of this guy’s life.
It smacks of a desperate denial in these people of the facts. Why can this guy not be speaking truthfully and accurately about his own life?
Why must he be bisexual or a straight man who thought he was gay rather than a gay man who became straight?
Is it because of the politically correct dogma that sexuality is fixed from birth?
This doesnt stand up to scrutiny in any balanced study of the subject.
My favourite paedo finder quote ‘all gays are paedophiles its written on stone, in the bus shelter where I carved it.’
I don’t think anyone is born gay theres no gay gene they turn because of sexual abuse or bullying. Their told there gay so much they start to believe it. thats why it should ban anything that promotes homosexuality in schools to keep kids on the straight and narrow.
Observer:
It’s silly splitting hairs. The key bit is :
trying to turn away from what they are engaged in.
If you’ve got a cold, you take some medicine and then afterwards you don’t have a cold, that’s called a “cure” even if I don’t use the word. To try to help homosexuals not to be homosexuals anymore is marketing a cure. On the same show, the psychiatrist come on to actually distance himself from Iris’ claims.
Personally I find homosexuality distasteful to say the least, but it’s not for me to say that it’s wrong, only God can judge us…
Sexual attraction is a pretty big part of who we are, although scientifically i, and i suspect most people, have very little understanding on the fullness of its complexity.
If people are born gay or straight then how do we explain Sparta where everyone was socially expected to be bisexual – and they were? Did they all have the “gay gene” just by accident but their neighbours didn’t?
Or what about the figures behind this article by Peter Tatchell,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/14/sexingthefuture
that show that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both decreasing and bisexuality is increasing. Is this all happening through evolution by natural selection? Another case like that of the peppered moth in action? Pull the other one.
Honestly, all these people who complain about evangelical indoctrination but cannot see their own indoctrination on this subject that they picked up from the media. Open your eyes! Open your mind!
“Personally I find homosexuality distasteful to say the least, but it’s not for me to say that it’s wrong, only God can judge us… ” Posted by Concerned Loyalist on Jun 13, 2008 @ 03:03 AM
Glad to see you found it distasteful. Hope you find orange p***sies better.
Gwerty: Peter Tatchell is another career homosexual so anything he says is best ignored as he has an axe to grind,a point ot sink or whatever.
It seems an evolutionary deadend homosexuality as they wouldn’t pass on there DNA so you can’t be born gay unless gays prove that evoution is wrong and that God exists.
Paedo FG: Good point. But evolution allows all tautologies. poper said evolution is a metaphysical ego trip, not a refutable scientific endeavour. (and no need to quote Dawkins quoting someone else about paelontology)