McCann, Donaldson, Farrell and the SAS
I have blogged previously about the attempt by Sinn Fein MLA Jennifer McCann to have an event to commemorate / celebrate Mairead Farrell under the disguise of International Women’s Day. Jeffrey Donaldson has proposed an event at Stormont to honour the SAS. On the DUP website he criticises the planned SF event and says of the planned DUP event: “However it is right and proper that we should celebrate and commemorate our armed forces who stood against terrorists such as Farrell. Many of these men and women gave their life to defend our democratic rights and oppose those who sought to take our rights away. I personally was inspired by our soldiers who stood against terrorism to the extent where I joined the Ulster Defence Regiment.
This initial event will be an opportunity to pay tribute to those SAS men and women who protected Northern Ireland from the evil hands of terrorists. But, over the coming months the DUP will be seeking to invite other representatives of the armed forces to Stormont where we can make presentations to former soldiers in admiration of their sacrifice for our Province.”
Dr. Paisley himself led a party delegation to see the speaker in order to try to stop the planned SF event which is now (according to the BBC) to be considered by the commission which runs events at Stormont.
Somewhat surprisingly, however, in the Belfast Telegraph it has been suggested that Jeffrey Donaldson will not proceed with his plan if SF calls off the Farrell celebration. This seems extremely foolish from the former UDR man as he could easily be perceived to be equating SF’s celebration of a convicted terrorist with that of an event to thank those who helped prevent terrorism. This possibility of some sort of “tit for tat” event and “tit for tat” withdrawal of events seems degrading to the memory and sacrifice of the security forces in their attempts to stop terrorists.
Ireland may not have been a nation state as we now know the concept, but, it was a unified country and the Irish fought any invader because they did not want their beautiful country in the hands of foreigners. And it was YOu who asked me was I here in the 12th century. I just humoured you.
Steve, no point in arguing with him. They didn’t not join an all Ireland state but it was us who pulled out of the Uk. We had it wrong all the time.
the mind boggles at the logic of the colonial mind !!!!!
Pancho
lol I know there is no point arguing but I enjoy watching them fry their logic circuits trying to appease their slvish desire to believe
……. the scary thing is that they do believe. No other point of view can exist but theirs. I mean, I can accept that they have a different view from me and I accept that it is wrong.Like the Protestant mistress to the Catholic serving girl; Brigid, you think your religion is the true one and I think mine is the true one. We can’t both be right. Brigid says Ma’am you think you’re right but we KNOW we’re right. Check the punctuation in that!
willowfield,
“Perhaps you could explain how “all” rights are not safeguarded in the UK, and in what ways people’s liberties are not ensured?”
The Orwellian police state being created pretty much covers it.
But don’t take my word for it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=456487&in_page_id=1770
Steve
The fact that a small violent mob did not agree with this referendum does not confer on them the right to ignore the result Ergo nIreland is an illegitimate state born out of british imperialism and terrorist activities of its minority citizens
That doesn’t follow at all. First, your premise is wrong: the people in NI voted to be excluded from a nationalist state and to remain within the UK and their wishes were facilitated: it was the nationalists who sought to overturn the referendum by seeking to force them into an all-Ireland state against their wishes.
If in your opinion it is right and proper that a minority of citizens using violence and implied violence can create a new entity then it only follows that a minority of the this new entity have the right by dint of violence and implied violence to destroy this same entity
Every people has the right to self-determination, and to defend that right when threatened by force. That right applied as much to Irish unionists as Irish nationalists. You can’t have it both ways.
By your acceptance of the right of unionists to form nIreland by non-democratic means you have also legitimized any and all attempts of republicans to destroy it by non-democratic means
Your logic is flawed and – again – based on a false premise. I do not accept any right of any people to form a state by non-democratic means. On the contrary, self-determination is a principle of democracy.
Pancho
Ireland may not have been a nation state as we now know the concept, but, it was a unified country and the Irish fought any invader because they did not want their beautiful country in the hands of foreigners.
If it was a “unified country”, why did one of the Irish kings invite the English over?!
And it was YOu who asked me was I here in the 12th century.
Yes, it was a rhetorical question.
How do any of your points demonstrate that Northern Ireland was or is an “illegal” state? You’re not too good at articulating your case.
Wilde Rover
The Orwellian police state being created pretty much covers it.
I think you’re getting a bit paranoid (and linking to the Daily Mail merely reinforces that!). But what about the Orwellian police state in the US, which is a “constitutional republic” … any measures taken in the UK could also be taken in other states which are “constitutional republics”.
For my info when was this referendum of which you speak?
Willowfield,
“But what about the Orwellian police state in the US, which is a “constitutional republic” … any measures taken in the UK could also be taken in other states which are “constitutional republics”.
They have the Second Amendment,
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
If the people do not exercise their rights and obligations as citizens it is not the fault of the Constitution, but the citizens.
Dewi,
Nice Treaty.
Of course, it was spun as a rejection of expansion, and that everyone in Ireland was a xenophobic, ungrateful mucksavage (even though it had been expanded before without ROI having to have a referendum.)
It’s Steve who speaks of a referendum. I’m guessing he means the 1918 general election.
Wilde Rover
So what do you mean by an Orwellian police state and how is this connected to the right to bear arms in the US?
The whole point of the Second Amendment is not so you could shoot deer or shoot your neighbour because their dog relieved itself one time too many on your lawn, but so the citizens could organize themselves in a coherent fashion to protect their liberty, specifically by giving them the legal right, and moral obligation, to organize and resist any form of tyrannical government.
The existence of the Second Amendment is the major stumbling block to tyranny in the Republic of the United States of America, and it is therefore not surprising that it is vilified, or that so much effort has gone into undermining its position in that republic.
As the Congressman for the Fourteenth District of Texas has said, tyranny is ancient, but liberty is a relatively new phenomenon.
And vigilance is the price of liberty.
“I think you’re getting a bit paranoid (and linking to the Daily Mail merely reinforces that!).”
So what you’re saying is that me listening to the word of a Deputy Chief Constable makes me paranoid?
I hope, Willowfield, it’s not because you no longer trust the word of the peelers, because that might imply that you have been in these cyber parts too long and have gone native
Willowfield, could anybody make the case for the ‘illegality’ of the northern six counties of this country being set up as a state that you might accept? You are the victor and to you the spoils but it doesn’t make it right.Tell me, do you think this part of Ireland is a separate country or ,be still my beating heart, a nation?