Barack: They said this day would never come….
BAD news for Hillary Clinton, coming third in the Democratic caucus in Iowa. Just watched a pretty passionate victor’s speech from Barack Obama – it’s only 4am here – emphasising American unity, healthcare reform and an end to the war in Iraq. Over on the Republican side of the fence, Mike Huckabee has defeated Mormon Mitch Romney in Iowa. On a tangent, while Mick has already alluded to Romney’s problems with the Bible belt, one of our local Free Presbyterian fundies has pointed to some secret outreach he’s been up to with Paisley’s alma mater.
Tell you what Bob – tell me how much Bush has reduced Central Government will you?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I’ll answer meself:
The government spent $2.3 trillion and ran a $412 billion deficit in 2004, compared with the $1.8 trillion it spent and the $86 billion surplus it ran in the final full year of the Clinton administration.
According to the Washington Post
Move along, there’s nothing left to see here….
‘ Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats’ 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.
Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, plans to announce his support Thursday at a rally at the College of Charleston, said a Democrat familiar with Kerry’s decision. The 2004 nominee will argue that Obama can best unite the country and has the potential to create transformational change, the person said.’
transformational change
Dewi…….investigate pork barrel spending by the CONGRESS……
Report back..
Will people kindly stop feeding the troll.
If you really must have his kind of nonsense, don’t take sloppy seconds: go to the fountainhead (which usually offers some factual basis, and can be amusing in a “laugh at the baboon’s bum” sort of way).
Sorry Malcolm – Behind the belligerent offensive exterior lies a sensitive informed caring bloke. Liked the link – might not add to my favourites just yet.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Blackwater sic Iraq custodiet
Not one factual reference to dispute my points. A few labels, the odd assignment of motive, a bit of mind reading…..My GOD, it’s Assachusetts!!!
I’m off, I’ll leave you drooling mutual admirants, to your communal nose picking.
Greenflag: “True but the issues which are driving this election will not go away in 10 months – The Iraq War- The Economy- 2 million foreclosures – The 30 year long economic emisseration of the American ‘middle class’- Bush’s perceived ruinous foreign policies – a devaluing dollar – health insurance fiasco- immigration reform turmoil- etc etc etc. America knows it has been ‘conned’ by the ‘conservative republicans’ . Even many liberal Republicans know it and will probably abstain come November . ”
American elections have turned on such minutiae as a crying candidate (oddly enough, with one win (Clinton) and one loss. Likewise, as much as they would like to, the Democrats aren’t going to be running against Bush… and are presently throwing muck at one another, signalling the traditional “circular firing squad” formation, used in past elections. Obama will start to get the Dean treatment — the radio is already discussing one indicted associate, with, I am sure, his membership in Trinity United Church of Christ will bubble to the fore — the pastor is a loose cannon and, arguably, a black seperatist… we will get another iteration of Hilary’s failures, et al and ad nauseum — and that just the Democratic primaries, with the Dems pegging one another…
Political quiz — who first brought up the Massachusetts furlough program as a political issue durring the Dukakis run?
As for who will vote for whom, that will have to come down to cases. I’d vote against Huckabee in a heart-beat, preferring a real liberal socialist to religious liberal socialist who tarts up his beliefs as “heroic Christianity.”
lib2016: “I realise that the ‘ball not man’ rule has been relaxed but surely this sort of nonsense has to be stepped on? ”
Lib, if the woman had honest emotions, she would have snapped long ago, probably somewhere between the Healthcare commission fiasco and the outting of her husband’s serial indiscretions. This is not what I would call a normal personality. She, like her husband, is an uncommonly good liar — mayhap better than Bill, seeing as she wasn’t caught.
Dread Cthulu, if the American public voted on the basis of such muckraking then surely they would get the representatives they deserve. I’m wondering, though, to what extent muckraking actually hurt previous failed Presidential bids.
BfB trolls:
The silent majority will once again put this paper tiger in it’s place.
Are you sure ? Majorities have a tendancy, albeit rare, to lose elections in the USA.
Comrade Stalin: “if the American public voted on the basis of such muckraking then surely they would get the representatives they deserve.”
The excercise of democracy guarantees that the public gets the government they deserve, Josef, at least in an honest representative democracy.
And, to be honest, they do it to one another, drawing in even such august (if over-rated) institutions as the NYT. I’m not saying it’s right and I’m not saying it’s fair — all I’m doing is saying that it is — they do this to one another damn near every time.
But, hey, who am I to get in the way of the traditional internal intramurals of the Democratic party? If they can’t keep all their ships sailing in the same direction, whose fault is that?
Bob from Boston
“Not one factual reference to dispute my points.â€
Not one? Poor Bob from Boston, one should avoid absolutes in arguments. I think that my linking the articles pertaining to Romney’s flip flopping is at least one.
“I’m off, I’ll leave you drooling mutual admirants, to your communal nose picking.â€
Ah yes Bob. Slugger: divided by ideology, united by nasal mining.
Comrade,
“Are you sure ? Majorities have a tendancy, albeit rare, to lose elections in the USA.”
Rare over the life of the Republic; common over the last few years.
It puts one in mind of the World Wrestling Federation.
with just 39% to Mr Obama’s 36%,
If it was this close why was everyone saying Obama would win?
Why were non-license fee funded stations able to get hold of polls that showed Clinton winning?
“If it was this close why was everyone saying Obama would win?â€
Yes Yvonne, there are many questions.
Dennis Kucinich seems to have a few questions, although it seems unlikely that his call for a recount of New Hampshire will see any of them answered.
It is a cruel saying, but perhaps people do get the governments they deserve.
Sorry Bob, missed this one earlier:
1. Now Ron Paul would be a good matchup for the whiteflag. My “ACME Internet Nutter Gauge†reads the same when I grep either one of them…..
Posted by BfB on Jan 09, 2008 @ 05:38 PM
Very good Bob. So what you are saying is that you have a device that tells you who is an “Internet Nutter†so you don’t have to bother your head with things like policies or positions or the dreaded thinking?
And what, prey tell, is the name of this device?
TV?