Is it a bird, is it a plane…
…no, it’s ‘Orangeman’! The Beeb is reporting that the Orange Order has created a new superhero to win over the next generation of sash-wearers. It’s looking for name for the kids’ icon – Orangeman has been deemed to obvious. The Order’s David Hume said: “We want to make the Orange Order more relevant to the young and appear less stuffy. Our new Orange hero has been carefully designed and is really a bit of good fun. Our research shows that he should appeal to the young. He will appear on Christmas cards and other merchandise which we sell or distribute. The only problem is that we do not have a name for him so we decided to launch a competition. We hope that junior members of the Order or indeed anyone who is interested will send in suggestions to our headquarters at Schomberg House, 368 Cregagh Road, Belfast, BT6 9EY. The closing date for the competition will be January 10.” ADDS: In the Tele, Victor Gordon tries his hand: ‘Sash Gordon’, ‘Dan Cree’ and ‘Sam Begg’.
Its amazing how this thread has become completely dominated by half wits and a guy who steals soup from starving orphans.
I’ll get on topic eventually (kinda) but…..
……….Dave,
“No need to call anyone a Troll is there?” Thats an unreasonable response, if being asked if you are trollingon a blog you really shouldn’t be taking offence. You weren’t called anything but the more you respond the more I wonder if you are Trolling for suckers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
And that would make me it.
As for your perception that these responses are a “Blanket Insult” surely this undermines your entire opening view on Slugger as your first post is a Blanket take on about half the posters on here?
I think you are looking for something that just is not there. I disagree with what you said and took issue with it as did a number of others asking for any kind of rational.
As for the whole Degree thing you made the references and someone else above has questioned the fact that you feel patronised or some such by university educated nationalists and then make a reference to being at Queen’s. I don’t want to go back through the posts as I feel like i’m being the sucker as it is, but you raised it, people cmmented on it and it is so unrelated that it has all the hallmarks of trolling.
So having chosen to squeeze insult from some fairly genuine comments you then find an apology in my previous comments. I have a reasonable grasp of the relationship between what is put in words and the sentiment expressed and struggle to follow you.
As for your final comment being “No need for 38 years of terrorism” we are in agreement on something and we agree with the vast majority of our countrymen and women.
Question remains though is it just a “no surrender” and maintenance of the status quo from you?
My take on what I see the OO attempting with what I see as rebranding is a realisation that the future of Unionism will take new paths beyond no surrender? What do you think?
Just as a matter of interest do the Order ban casual sex with Catholics or is it just marriage that is banned? Or how about a Christmas snog? Do you get chucked out for that?
Just as a matter of interest do the Order ban casual sex with Catholics or is it just marriage that is banned? Or how about a Christmas snog? Do you get chucked out for that?
Posted by dewi on Nov 27, 2007 @ 12:03 AM
Only if you are lucky Dewi only if you are lucky
A quick snog with a Catholic is fine but the real question is would you really want to?
Holding hands ?
ND “Question remains though is it just a “no surrender†and maintenance of the status quo from you?”
Still British, still alive and standing. As for the rest of your reply, I find your argument pretty weak. I have answered all your questions.
The fact that Nats/Reps use slugger, the Orange Order and anything else to denigrate the British people of Northern Ireland still remains.
“strange dubliner, for a man claiming to be from dublin to refer to the suffering of the irish people in the third person (as it were) for if i am referring to the suffering of the irish people(and i am) and you refer to them as ‘my’ ancestors, and not ‘ours’ then something is amiss. is the mask slipping…..Londoner?” – RepublicanStones
True, your ancestors are not mine. I’ve Hungarian-born parents and Jewish faith, but I was born in Ireland. I’m very proud to be Irish and in many ways ‘more Irish than the Irish themselves.’
Holding hands ?
Dewi
Only during the very quick snog.
Well Dub that might explain the parnoia
Dave no one needs to denigrate the British people of Ireland, they do a fine job all on their own
“Just as a matter of interest do the Order ban casual sex with Catholics or is it just marriage that is banned?”
Orangemen have sex? That’s just wrong..
C’mon you guys.
Not in front of the children!
Jeez.
I imagine a tightly furled umbrella would make a pretty decent contraceptive.
TAFKABO
I never told you what to do, i mearly stated the truth you know quite well that “great” does not refer to the opinion of its subjects. In which case countries would be calling themselves alsorts like Fantastic Fiji, Magnificent ‘merica.
Being Irish I do not see a requirement to “Lord” it over anyone, so by all means, believe what you want. I understand tho suits the Unionist Delusion to not think, imagine 55% of NIs populace the energy they save by not thinking, it must be bliss.
Twelfth Knight?
David Hume says that the Orange Order has distributed 20,000 pop-up books on the history of Orangeism to schools in Northern Ireland.
Is that allowed? Who authorised it?
does he have a side kick?
Apprentice Boy?
Sorry.
(I’ll get my coat)
TAFKABO
I never told you what to do, i mearly stated the truth you know quite well that “great†does not refer to the opinion of its subjects. In which case countries would be calling themselves alsorts like Fantastic Fiji, Magnificent ‘merica.
No, you told me that I thought the adjectove great referred to people’s opinion, rather than it being geographical terminology, and furthermore that all Unionists held to this opinion. This act of large scale mindreading without anything so much as a post from me to lead you to any such conclusion. In fact it is your fellow travelers who display their ignorance by trying try to draw some inference from the fact that the UK is more commonly know as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as if this denotes anything other than a simple truism that Northern Ireland is not physically part of the landmass known as Great Britain.
Being Irish I do not see a requirement to “Lord†it over anyone, so by all means, believe what you want. I understand tho suits the Unionist Delusion to not think, imagine 55% of NIs populace the energy they save by not thinking, it must be bliss.
Being both Irish and British, I’ve never seen a need for your permission to do anything, so why you keep giving it is beyond me.
But ponder this, the people you are so freely insulting and denigrating as unthinking simpletons are the same people who triumphed over those valiant Irish intellectuals of the Republican movement.
So, every time you call us stupid, you’re admitting that the Irish republican dream was defeated by a group of idiots, so what does that say about you?
“David Hume says that the Orange Order has distributed 20,000 pop-up books on the history of Orangeism to schools in Northern Ireland.” – pith
That’s disgusting. Didn’t Playboy get fined for ‘pop-up’ books before?
the north is irish soil,
Ans. No it is British soil -Dave
ok dave so the north of IRELAND isn’t irish soil, so please explain why the uk is titled the way it is. because from the title it suggests the british monarchy and govt don’t view you as british.
Ans. Gt. Britain and Northern Ireland plus a few other places when combined form the United Kingdom. Its very simple to understand, for some.
but obviously, you must have had tea with the queen where she stated otherwise, im sure you have evidence.
Ans. Actually? I have been to the Queen’s Garden Party happy to say it was a Great day and no, Northern Ireland was not mentioned.
oh and i see no reason for 50+ years of unionist misrule,
The above is propaganda, there were dreadful mistakes made by politicians, The strange thing though was that the Nats/Reps populations in Northern Ireland increased by a large percentage (now at approx. 43% over those so called fifty years of misrule, whilst under the fantastic nay brilliant perfect rule which was taking place at the time in the Free State the British population decreased by a large percentage (now standing at approx. 2%)
never mind the shit britain inflicted on the irish before that ! oh and god save the queen is the english anthem, but as you seem to worship england, its rather fitting you should use it.
Was it the British or the English who inflicted the “shit”? As for the Anthem God Save the Queen is the National Anthem of Northern Ireland, the union flag is the National flag of Northern Ireland and the shamrock is the National flower or Northern Ireland.
Question. Have you got any idea what your taking about?
Look on the bright side, by the time, if ever a united Ireland is agreed we will all be pushing up the National flower of Northern Ireland.
Another question where do people get the time to blogg, I’ve just finished work and I’m knackered?
Posted by RepublicanStones on Nov 26, 2007 @ 10:44 PM
Well Dub that might explain the parnoia
Dave no one needs to denigrate the British people of Ireland, they do a fine job all on their own
Posted by Shawn on Nov 27, 2007 @ 01:29 AM
No one can do it like the Irish as they have had much more practise at it?
Am I now at your level?
nice of you to give up trying to argue the north is british soil dave. oh and what level are you talking about?
The British population of the Republic is gretaer than 2%
so Dubliner did your folks support the ‘terrorists’ who staged an uprising in 1956, or were the soviet overlords’not that bad’?
Just like in Superman, I assume this caricature will have the power to spin around the earth and reverse the clock to 1690!
He ‘friend’ could be “Spide-Man”! (lots of those).
RepublicanStones, there are no terrorists if there is no democracy; there are just freedom-fighters. Likewise there are no freedom-fighters if there is a democracy, just murderers. Guess where PIRA fit in?
Perhaps I missed something in NI’s political history: at what point did a spontaneous national uprising against a repressive Soviet dictatorship run by a puppet on Stalinist lines occur? I was under the impression that PIRA were an organised sectarian murder gang who carefully planned each murder over a long period and comprised less than 99.99% of the population, which is not to be confused with a “spontaneous national uprising” wherein 3,000 of them are shot dead by the state in one week as part of counter-revolution measures, thousands more sent to Russian concentration camps, and an exodus of hundreds of thousands occurs. And sorry, kid, but you can’t send your lawyer to the European Court of Human Rights every time a camp guard in a Soviet camp insults you, like the toy internment camps in NI where pampered pretend-revolutionaries like Gerry Adams and his brat-ish ilk would squeal blue murder if he got his face slapped.
good man dubliner, you mention democracy, remind what kind of democracy there was in the north from its inception, right up until the british copped themselves on and ened the unionist utopia. oh and please remind what murder gangs were running about first?
toy internment camps in NI where pampered pretend-revolutionaries like Gerry Adams and his brat-ish ilk would squeal blue murder if he got his face slapped. – The Dubliner
sure, a week with the brits in long kesh would have been a doddle to you.
So, it was the same as the example you cited, was it? No child, it wasn’t you. You have a democracy and a political alternative to a sectarian murder campaign. You were not under a repressive Soviet dictatorship run by a puppet on Stalinist lines. In fact, comapred to a Siberian winter surviving on horsemeat, you lived the life of Riley.
This is a song that may well describe this super hero,I think he should stick to tradition and be called Billy Boy, (to the tune of those magnificent men in their flying machines)
He demands to march where he’s unwelcome, with the greatest of ease.
Magnificent Billy Boy sings of Fenian blood being up to his knees.
He claims every road is his queens highway.
He’ll march where he wants, locals have no say.
He cant march past a Chapel with out singing the Sash or No Pope in Rome, with out batting an eyelash.
He demands to march where he’s unwelcome, with the greatest of ease.
Magnificent Billy Boy sings of Fenian blood being up to his knees.
He swears by the Bible and lives by the cross.
When it comes to talking to residents, all holy guidance is lost.
He cannot believe God made residents too.
He swears god was’nt working at that time, he’d signed on the Broo.
He wished it all had’ve been sorted in 1690 at the Boyne.
Then there would be no Residents protest in Ardoyne.
Each he marches pledging loyalty to the red hand.
He curses and swears as he passes the Short Strand.
He’s loyal and true and he’ll never yield.
He’s gotta march to the Whiterock up the Springfield.
But one things that is sure, it’s hard but he knows.
He’ll not be marching again on Garvghy or the Lower Ormeau Roads.
When you look at him and his big smile, Remember who made him, The Orange Order so it’ll only last a while.
He demands to march where he’s unwelcome, with the greatest of ease.
Magnificent Billy Boy sings of Fenian blood being up to his knees.
good man Dubliner you completely avoid the question. remind me again what kind of democracy we had in the north from its inception until the brits axed it? and remind me if you will what were the first murder gangs running about? oh and where did i say the hungarian situation was the same as here? you seem to think there is a barometer of suffering in existence with a reading that says when it is acceptable for oppressed people to resist? if there is can you give me a link to it? oh and lose the ‘child’ becuase in your attempt to patronise me you only make yourself look immature.
Didn’t you know RS? Dubliner WENT through the Long Kesh system. Had his door kicked in at 4am and everything! Actually, er no, he didn’t.
He is one of many Irish people who identify with Fianna Fail, but not with the legacy of Fianna Fail, which was the complete and utter – and disgraceful – abandonment of their fellow countrymen in the 6 counties and the creation of the vacuum that contributed to the rise of PIRA. In their efforts to handle their own sense of cowardice at the hands of political expediency, they nail EVERY problem with NI at republicans’ doors. Its far easier than taking the shame of that cowardice.
The British population of the Republic is gretaer than 2%
Posted by Lewis on Nov 28, 2007 @ 11:28 AM
I stand corrected you are of course right The British population of the ROI is now 3% and when their holiday is over it will be back to 2%
1% is from the US and 1% is from Poland yet the nearest neighbour only provides the same amount?
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Big-response-in-bid-to.3548934.jp
LOL something tells me the News Letter does not “do” Irony
One last sugestion “Captain Anachronism” could be educational as well as heroic. At least they might learn the meaning to 1 word with more than 2 sylables