Is it a bird, is it a plane…
…no, it’s ‘Orangeman’! The Beeb is reporting that the Orange Order has created a new superhero to win over the next generation of sash-wearers. It’s looking for name for the kids’ icon – Orangeman has been deemed to obvious. The Order’s David Hume said: “We want to make the Orange Order more relevant to the young and appear less stuffy. Our new Orange hero has been carefully designed and is really a bit of good fun. Our research shows that he should appeal to the young. He will appear on Christmas cards and other merchandise which we sell or distribute. The only problem is that we do not have a name for him so we decided to launch a competition. We hope that junior members of the Order or indeed anyone who is interested will send in suggestions to our headquarters at Schomberg House, 368 Cregagh Road, Belfast, BT6 9EY. The closing date for the competition will be January 10.” ADDS: In the Tele, Victor Gordon tries his hand: ‘Sash Gordon’, ‘Dan Cree’ and ‘Sam Begg’.
Dave,
Hope that did feel good. If it keeps you from the streets sure why not eh?
Ans. It did feel good and i believe that is why most people make a contribution on slugger. well spotted. Its a pity that you started by talking down to me.
In fairness there is a lot of madness on here, but people give as good as they get in my view and if it winds you up just ignore it? Or do what a lot of others do and join in the whataboutery…
Ans. I’m not wound up.. I’m doing to winding up aren’t I. Read the comments?
I never got the impression this was a place where nationalists crowed about their education and somewhere amongst the bile there are other many good ideas, conversations and opinions.
Ans. I do agree with the above. it is time for the bile to stop.
As for your highlighting the word JOBS that I do take issue with, ye see everyone in my generation from my area has one, and it was a rare thing that people of my parents generation didn’t have one either.
Ans. I could refer you to many posts on slugger made by Nationalists/Republicans which is the opposite of what you say. After all Nats/Reps not opprested and jobless. so what is all the whinging about?
You would perpetuate the old myth of jobless disadvantaged nationalists out to underine the state at every turn, a myth used as much against you as for you if you could only see it.
Ans. Do you believe that I don’t see it for what it is, Republican propaganda that only republicand believe.
Nationalists have jobs, prosperity, great education opportunities, the excellent healthcare, respect for the fact that we are not British but Irish albeit governed over by a system that leaves much of our sovereignty at Westminster and in recent times many have acquired decent amounts of wealth and yet you who wishes to maintain Westminster rule can’t use these facts to sell the union?
Ans. i think you’ll find that the union has in fact been sold, but not by me!
Instead you come dripping with bitterness. Perhaps you are right and those who wish to prevent an end to partition must state no surrender and the status quo will be maintained but momentum, that most elusive of political tools, is not with you.
Ans. I has not come dripping with bitterness. You are right in that I want nothing to do with a united Ireland. why would I? I am british, I’m a patriot born on British soil in Belfast.
Perhaps you are just a troll but if not I ask that you try and find a way to accept this place we live a bit more for what it is ignoring both your myths and those you see as hostile.
Ans. You shamed yourself with the above statement. And would ask you to read agin all the points you made. see if you can see what I see.
Posted by ND on Nov 25, 2007 @ 02:46 PM
Does he reflect creationism or Darwinism ?
I think the latter. The short legs. Generations who march with that irritating six inch stride; adaptation.
I used to live opposite an Orangeman in Kent. He was a bit taken aback in 89 after the bombing of Deal Marines barracks to be interviewed by Kent Police. They told him he is part of “The Irish community”.
In the summer, at some pre-arranged date, he would travel over to NI to start off a marching thingy.
I spoke with him about his childhood and early adulthood in NI.
School was apparently no fun
“Are you a billy or a dan or an old tin can”
(no one wanted to be an old tin can as that meant taking a kicking from both billies and dans)
He bitterly resented “Masons Bars”. When the non Masons, including him, in his area had time rung in the pub the Freemasons carried on drinking in their own bar. “who did they think they were lording it over us ?” he asked.
Perhaps if he drinks more guinness it will improve his irony levels.
The other thing about anabolics is testicular atrophy.
Jeanie Mack! … bring back reality .. this guy seems to be Hitler’s Aryan dream! Maybe sums up the OO – the great defenders of Eugenics – and that is not the study of people called Eugene – but at the bottom line a nasty piece of racist, sectarian and intellectually flyweight has-beens…
dave, it seems you fall into the old trap most unionists fall into, that being….incorrectly that the north of Ireland is British soil. I’ll think you’ll find that both the monarchy and govt you pledge allegiance to are of the opinion that the north of ireland isn’t british soil. after all the uk isn’t called the united kingdom of great britain. its called the united kingdom of great britain AND northern Ireland. now seeing as you seem to worship england surely you understand what that sentence means, as it is the english language. that means the officially the north is not british soil. are you even aware that britain is an island? the north is irish soil, as ireland is an actual country, there is no country called britain, merely an arrogant (yes arrogant, why else would they call it great) political union of 3 countries. those 3 countries being England, Scotland and Wales, Britishness is at most an identity, not a nationality in the true sense. (passport excuse coming no doubt). and that political union is looking shakier all the time, roll on the SNP ! by the way dave as i have said before, don’t come on here crying to me about flags and passports, because that means nothing, if you are annoyed that the british govt doesn’t view the north of IRELAND as british soil, take it up with Mr Brown.
Welcome to Ireland.
Dave,
Fair enough you have an answer for everything and everyone.
Don’t think the posts in response to you were insulting or personal to be honest.
In your response to my post you seem to say that you are the one doing the winding up and also that I should be ashamed when I enquire if you are being a “troll”, which is as i understand it a blog term for someone being deliberately antagonistic for the sake of it.
And having been fairly chippy about the old education thing in the first place you interpret my comments as talking down to you when that was not the case. It’s a turn of phrase that is in no way an inappropriate to your original post which was fairly over emotive for me and not exactly refective of a man as well educated as yourself having a Queens University degree, which is no small achievement for anyone as i understand these things.
And you finish with the invitation to re-read my posts to see what you see. That’s helpful.Point it out, go on, go on.
O’Neill
“how about Spide-Man?”
Excellent!
Republican Stones
I am unsure if you are a troll or not as your posts are illogical and erratic but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and reply to your post.
so the ban on marrying catholics isn’t taking away a right? Forcing themselves through neighbourhoods that want nothing to do with them, thus hemming people into their homes isn’t taking away a right?
Members of the OO all swear an oath regarding the marriage issue, therefore if they are unhappy with this they can refrain from being members therefore their rights are not being denied.
Secondly apart from a small number of contentious parades most are peaceful with respect and tolerance shown by both Orange personnel and residents therefore your description is inaccurate.
on issue, i think that this cartoon, whilst both very sinister and sad, represents the state the OO finds itself in and the measures it feels it needs to sink to, to try and survive. PumpkinMan is a cry for help, no wonder he seems worried !
You must live a very sheltered life if you think this character is sinister I don’t know whether to laugh or call for the people in white coats.
Outsider
“Time to close this thread I’m afraid, sluggerites again have failed to comment on Protestant heritage and culture without refraining from sectarian abusive bile”
Unfortunately, there are those who do that. There are also plenty of Unionist posters who vent their “sectarian bile” at Nationalism and/or Catholicism.
I have noticed in your case that you really get upset when people criticise the OO. For myself, I am able to quote instances of OO lodges flying “loyalist” terrorist banners, using bands named after “loyalist” terrorists, rioting and OO “leaders” condoning such behaviour on TV.
This is not “sectarian bile”. It is FACT and a matter of public record.
I don’t like the blatent anti-Catholic\Nationalist sectarian bile that some posters here come out with so I just ignore it. I suggest that you do the same with the blatent anti-Protestant\Unionist comments.
However, the OO supporters on here seem unable to respond to valid points based on FACTS and resort to labelling them as comments from “bigots”.
I’m afraid that just illustrates the weakness of your argument. It is so easy to find illustrations of OO hypocrisy and double-standards in their views on “loyalist” terrorism as opposed to that of Republicans.
I can guarantee you that next summer, we will see OO parades where banners and/or bands commemorating loyalist” terrorists will be present.
After all, it’s happened every other year, hasn’t it? As they say, past performance is the best indicator of future behaviour.
I am not a bigot and this is not “sectarian bile”. I have always accepted that there are very many decent people in the OO. However, the FACTS clearly support the conclusion that the OO as an organisation has made very little progress in disassociating itself from tacit support of “loyalist” terrorism.
It has an abysmal public image and, in my opinion, it currently has very little prospect of improving that.
Until the OO starts taking clear, transparent action to disassociate itself from supporting “loyalist” terrorism – nothing much will change.
That’s nothing to do with Nationalists, it’s down to OO members and their “leadership”.
Billy
The fact remains that despite everything you have indicated in your post it is Catholic/Nationalists who are burning down Orange halls with little to no retaliations.
I abhor the carrying of paramilitary trappings at Orange parades, I have never been to one where this has happened but I know it has happened too often within the Belfast parade. However even Ivan Little indicated that in 2007′s Belfast parade was reduced to one flag commemorating the UVF, he indicated that this was a big improvement from previous years so the OO is working hard on this issue.
so indoctrinating kids at an early age isn’t sinister?
enticing kids at an early age into an organistion that is by its very nature bigoted and sectarian isn’t sinister?
sure outsider, sure whatever you say mo chara.
perhaps they could be called the Orange youth.
Republican Stones
It is the parents choice along with the childs whether or not they join this institution not yours.
The OO is not bigoted and secondly if these people do attain to the true characteristics of Orangeism then they will grow to be good and decent human beings.
sure Outsider, you know all about Stoneyford Orange Hall, and the way they liked to keep the names and addresses of 100s of nationalists stored safely inside, presumably so they could send christmas cards to them. oh i feel a ‘few bad apples’ cliche coming…….!
Well why do you consider me your friend after all I am an avid supporter of a bigoted organisation that is headed by a sinister cartoon character with no name that deals in drugs and is gay.
see outsider i wish to befriend everyone, even those who consider me inferior and even those who deny self-determination to my people, even those who are descended from a people who invaded my land and inflicted great pain on my people, even those who are hypocritical and believe they have nothing to answer for, even those whose ‘culture’ is primarily based in the demonisation and attempted erradication of my own, and even those who support the great british empire, yet are blind to the pain and suffering it caused to every country and race of people it touched.
see, im quite a friendly guy !
and may i say, good for you to be so open about your support for such an undesirable organistion. i was not aware that the orange order was so ‘liberated’. i alwways had and image of the OO as being rather quite a bigoted stuffy snobby organistion.
Thank you for accepting someone as terrible as me, I hope that my friendship with a superlative human being as liberate and perfect as yourself will help me to become a better person.
I am happy that my list of sins only compromises 7 lines, even some of my friends would not have been this generous.
oh….your not terrible, you just need a hug !
Here we have RepublicanStones crying a river of bitter tears for the near millennium of suffering that was inflicted on his ancestors by Outsider’s ancestors; and, instead of inviting Outsider to do a headstand in that river and drown, he is wading across that river to offer his hand in forgiveness and friendship to the descendent of his ancestors terrible oppressors. This is surely a wonderful and inspiring example of how the Internet can be used to build cross-community friendships for the betterment of society. Isn’t it amazing what can be achieved with a little kindness, patience, and an involuntary lobotomy, isn’t it? Now I hate to be a bit of a cynic here, but RepublicanStones strikes me as the kind of guy who would steal the soup from a hungry orphan’s bowl and bend his spoon just for the fun of it, so I advise caution if you intend to take this meeting of souls a stage further by inviting him to Christmas dinner or something.
see outsider i wish to befriend everyone, even those who consider me inferior and even those who deny self-determination to my people, even those who are descended from a people who invaded my land and inflicted great pain on my people,
Didn’t someone once say that one of the first indicators of fascism is when people start ranting on about their land ?
strange dubliner, for a man claiming to be from dublin to refer to the suffering of the irish people in the third person (as it were) for if i am referring to the suffering of the irish people(and i am) and you refer to them as ‘my’ ancestors, and not ‘ours’ then something is amiss. is the mask slipping…..Londoner? oh and what makes you think i would steal from an orphan, you’ve never even met me?
and i wouldn’t mention spoons if i was from dublin, what with alot of dubs liking to burn them and all.
Oh, and seeing posts by the same people telling me that the cartoon is both a joke and sinister proves once again that no one else does cognitive dissonance quite as well as an Irish nationalist.
so there are no such things as sinister jokes TAFKABO? WOW i’d say a dinner party with you is something to behold !
How about “Orangasauras Rex” the last dinosaur
Obtuse much Republicanstones?
Strange chappy on here banging on about university-educated people, complaining about them, university educated this, university educated that. Then ludicrously claiming he has a degree from Queens. Nice try.
There were more University degrees picked up by Republican prisoners in jail than exist in the whole Orange Order, the sad fact – as the lad above attests.
Anyone know what the 5 pointed purple star on his chest means or what it’s supposed to stand for. Very ‘Freemason’ kinda looking as all the trappings and regalia of the OO. (Obviously it doesn’t represent the 6 counties as the 6 pointed star on the old NI flag.
“so indoctrinating kids at an early age isn’t sinister? enticing kids at an early age into an organistion that is by its very nature bigoted and sectarian isn’t sinister?”
Would that apply to most churches?
Then there’s this:
“The theme for the march from Beechmount Avenue was taken from the now immortalised words of hunger striker Bobby Sands who said, “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.” Reflecting the spirit of the hunger strikers’ words, dozens of children, some as young as four years old, took part in the commemorative march carrying placards in honour of each of the twelve hunger strikers.
The Felons Pipers and Eire Nua flute band added to the carnival atmosphere, as did the tunes of well-known republican songs such as ‘H Block’ sung by Derry councillor Francie Brolly on stage.” .. Irelandclick May 17, 2005
what about Loyal orange Larry…..even sounds as gay as he looks
Seems to have worked on me. I’m 8 and I think he’s really kool, like. I want to join the order right now….where do I sign?
Are those two letters of protest (on his belt) to be handed to the PSNI over a disputed traditional route?
Not as much as yourself TAFKABO, although i could work on being more sensitive perhaps. its you who needs sharpening.
Oh and Nevin, do churches march through areas were they aint wanted, and do the kids at those rallies have to swear allegiance to a particular religion and promise not to associate with members of what is seen as an inferior religion?
i think not.
i think a perfect name would be B Gutree
Some thing is missing.
Did some fiend steal his pillow case and his pointy hat.
Worshpful Master Billy the Bollocks
Frank Sinistra: “Superion”
Might run into some copywrite issues — there is a DC character “Hyperion” with a very similar costume (exchange purple for yellow, replace star with the “nuclear symbol” of a nucleus with three orbiting electrons and add a domino mask).
Shock, Horror! It actually Mr Incredible masquerading as Orangeman. The unemployed Superhero has being forced to do some moonlighting….
http://www.amazon.com/Incredibles-Incredible-Mr-Action-Figure/dp/B00005BL55
Actually, plagiarism cones to mind. Wonder is Pixar interested in picking up the series?
McGrath: “Actually, plagiarism cones to mind. Wonder is Pixar interested in picking up the series? ”
Plagarism is an academic crime, with the penalty typically being expulsion and shame. The punishment for violation of copywrite has a few more teeth.
My goodness.
I dislike the OO greatly but I have never seen an organisation so willing to make itself look like a joke.
From defacto junta regime rulers of NI to ACTUAL joke of NI.
I have almost always felt sorry for unionisim,( they flushed their ownutopia down their own UK toilet when offered their golden opportunity) always have but its now turning into pity.
For my two cents:
Uber meister,
Cap’n W.A.S.P,
Grand Wizard Ante-Taig who forms part of the Injustice league of Europe With Power Powell, Cap’n Cromwell, General Franco, Das Furher, Milo-Å¡ević with guest apearances from the Man of Steel and the Iron Lady.
Republicanstones: the “Great” in great britain is not a statement as in “we are great” it refers to the Union of Britain (wales and England) with Scotland, as in german it is Grosse which is ment as Bigger or Greater(land mass).
So lets get it straight lets not pretend the Great means any more than, how great germany was after the annexation of Austria.
so your telling me theres a little britain?
In Irish
Wales=An bhratain bheag= Little Britain
I dont get that comedy but atleast they get the map of britain correct, which is highly commendable for a briton!!!
so should it not be ‘greater britain’? or are people wrong when they refer to the surrounding areas of a city……for example ‘greater london’, so it should be ‘great london’. have i got it right there. is that it?
I would take the “greater” part of a city as a modern discription.
And the Great in Great Britain as historical reference to its the Anglo- Saxon roots.
Unionists can cod themselves into believing it means “were great” but that view does nothing but even further their ignorance of their own history.
great refers to their anglo-saxon roots?????
Unionists can cod themselves into believing it means “were great†but that view does nothing but even further their ignorance of their own history.
Thanks for telling me what I’m thinking, and what I’m allowed to think.
Can you tell what I’m thinking right now?
(apologies to your mother if you can)
Anyone know what the 5 pointed purple star on his chest means or what it’s supposed to stand for. Very ‘Freemason’ kinda looking as all the trappings and regalia of the OO. (Obviously it doesn’t represent the 6 counties as the 6 pointed star on the old NI flag.
Posted by Gréagóir O’ FrainclÃn on Nov 26, 2007 @ 08:53 AM
Always wondered that myself, I think it was set-up by freemasons – an organisation I believe to be the antithesis of protestantism, my reasoning for this is partially due to the occultish (?) symbology displayed in their buildings.
The meaning of the 5 pointed star, vary according to its orientation, the point upwards means something that I cant remember (sorry), but 2 points upwards is usually indicative of something unpleasant, but to the Adept it matters not the orientation.
The 6 pointed star would’nt matter, as the OO is an all Ireland thing.
In my own mind, I believe that in order to ‘defend’ protestantism the only (and best) ‘weapon’ to have is unswerving faith and to use this to fish for as many people as possible, in this sense, the use of the Orange Order as a net to try and fish for men, is a net with huge hole in it.
I also dislike the crown placed on the Bible, as it obscures the text, so that it may as well be closed.
Just my thoughts.
dave, it seems you fall into the old trap most unionists fall into, that being….incorrectly that the north of Ireland is British soil.
Ans. What you refer to is not the North of Ireland (unless your are refering to Co Donegal) what you precieve to be the North of Ireland is in fact Northern Ireland which is an integral part of the United Kingdom. It is a different Country a British Country that is why there is a border, between the Republic of Ireland and a country named Northern Ireland, there is a National antheme (God save the Queen ) and a national flag (the union flag) Hmmm I believe I’m correct on all counts.
I’ll think you’ll find that both the monarchy and govt you pledge allegiance to are of the opinion that the north of ireland isn’t british soil. after all the uk isn’t called the united kingdom of great britain. its called the united kingdom of great britain AND northern Ireland.now seeing as you seem to worship england surely you understand what that sentence means, as it is the english language.that means the officially the north is not british soil are you even aware that britain is an island?
Ans. I don’t believe that is the opinion the monarcy/government. I do, have and always will pledge my allegiance to the monarchy. I will not do the same for any government. Does word (intregal) mean anythng to you?
are you even aware that britain is an island?
Ans. Yes I do.
the north is irish soil,
Ans. No it is British soil
as ireland is an actual country,
Ans. I agree
there is no country called britain,
Ans I also agree to that.
merely an arrogant (yes arrogant, why else would they call it great)
Ans. Because it is?
political union of 3 countries. those 3 countries being England, Scotland and Wales, Britishness is at most an identity, not a nationality in the true sense. (passport excuse coming no doubt). and that political union is looking shakier all the time, roll on the SNP ! by the way dave as i have said before, don’t come on here crying to me about flags and passports, because that means nothing, if you are annoyed that the british govt doesn’t view the north of IRELAND as british soil, take it up with Mr Brown.
Ans. No passport excuse coming (I don’t need any excuse) I merely state that I am British an there is not a damn thing you can do or say to change that fact.
I think you’ll find that SF/IRA are now part of the British government and have seats at westminister (they have never sat on them) How many Irish ministers have a seat in westminister?
I hope my statements help you through this difficult period of reality.
Welcome to Ireland.
Ans. Welcome to the real World
Posted by RepublicanStones on Nov 25, 2007 @ 11:39 PM
Just for the record Britain (from W. Prydain) refers to the Brythonic kingdoms (Brittany – a product of Brythonic emmigration sometime a long time ago) So there are 3 million left of us in Wales and another couple of hundred thousands in Cornwall. The rest of you please call yourself something else !!!
Dave,
Fair enough you have an answer for everything and everyone.
Ans. no I do not, sorry.
Don’t think the posts in response to you were insulting or personal to be honest.
Ans. They where not personal but they were a blanket insult.
In your response to my post you seem to say that you are the one doing the winding up and also that I should be ashamed when I enquire if you are being a “trollâ€, which is as i understand it a blog term for someone being deliberately antagonistic for the sake of it.
Ans. No need to call anyone a Troll, is there?
And having been fairly chippy about the old education thing in the first place you interpret my comments as talking down to you when that was not the case.It’s a turn of phrase that is in no way an inappropriate to your original post which was fairly over emotive for me and not exactly refective of a man as well educated as yourself having a Queens University degree, which is no small achievement for anyone as i understand these things.
Ans. No need to apologise, but it was inapropriate. Just exactly where did you get the idea that I have a university degree?
And you finish with the invitation to re-read my posts to see what you see. That’s helpful.Point it out, go on, go on.
Ans. “Nationalists have jobs, prosperity, great education opportunities, the excellent healthcare, respect for the fact that we are not British but Irish albeit governed over by a system that leaves much of our sovereignty at Westminster and in recent times many have acquired decent amounts of wealth and yet you who wishes to maintain Westminster rule can’t use these facts to sell the union? ”
“As for your highlighting the word JOBS that I do take issue with, ye see everyone in my generation from my area has one, and it was a rare thing that people of my parents generation didn’t have one either”
Ans. I see no reason for 38 years of terrorism.
How about ‘SuperBigot’ for a name?
I will now take back my preconceptions of the Orange Order, It ‘does’ have a sense of humour!!!.
great refers to their anglo-saxon roots?????
Posted by RepublicanStones on Nov 26, 2007 @ 06:30 PM
Actually I heard that the great in great Britain relates to Britanny in France, Great or the Greater part of Britain is England et al. Going back to Medieval times when Britanny was Anglo-Norman Controlled-territory.So England and Wales was Great Britain and Britainny the lesser part. However picked that snippet up on QI on BBC2, not sure of its accuracy though.
the north is irish soil,
Ans. No it is British soil -Dave
ok dave so the north of IRELAND isn’t irish soil, so please explain why the uk is titled the way it is. because from the title it suggests the british monarchy and govt don’t view you as british. but obviously, you must have had tea with the queen where she stated otherwise, im sure you have evidence. oh and i see no reason for 50+ years of unionist misrule, never mind the shit britain inflicted on the irish before that !
oh and god save the queen is the english anthem, but as you seem to worship england, its rather fitting you should use it.