Comments on: ‘Can the Internet provide a deliberative space for our new politics?’ http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/ Conversation, politics and stray insights Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:10:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alastair Baxter http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-184755 Alastair Baxter Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:52:22 +0000 #comment-184755 Mick Hall 'anyone got a link' If you're looking for the latest news on Myspace, Facebook, Beebo, Xanga, and the rest of the players in the social-networking space, Mashable looks interesting. www.mashable.com Mick Hall ‘anyone got a link’

If you’re looking for the latest news on Myspace, Facebook, Beebo, Xanga, and the rest of the players in the social-networking space, Mashable looks interesting. http://www.mashable.com

]]> By: Dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-184727 Dewi Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:52:20 +0000 #comment-184727 Not sure it has any worth Mick - my juvenile work mates just use it to chuck metaphorical stuff at themselves - strange..... Not sure it has any worth Mick – my juvenile work mates just use it to chuck metaphorical stuff at themselves – strange…..

]]> By: Cadiz http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-184726 Cadiz Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:49:17 +0000 #comment-184726 "Friends Reunited peaked and most people moved on elsewhere, same with Bebo and Myspace. Why should Facebook be any different? " Most friends didn't want to be re-united. “Friends Reunited peaked and most people moved on elsewhere, same with Bebo and Myspace. Why should Facebook be any different? ”

Most friends didn’t want to be re-united.

]]> By: Mick Hall http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-184587 Mick Hall Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:24:59 +0000 #comment-184587 On face-book, whilst I have signed up it is a complete mystery to me as I cannot see its worth, has anyone got a link which explains its worth in a pretty simply way. On face-book, whilst I have signed up it is a complete mystery to me as I cannot see its worth, has anyone got a link which explains its worth in a pretty simply way.

]]> By: Alastair Baxter http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-184573 Alastair Baxter Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:54:07 +0000 #comment-184573 Paul Smyth 'Pitty it was cut short.' I could not agree more, a very interesting event - what about a Part 2 Mick? Paul Smyth ‘Pitty it was cut short.’

I could not agree more, a very interesting event – what about a Part 2 Mick?

]]> By: Paul Smyth http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183878 Paul Smyth Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:04:50 +0000 #comment-183878 Mick - I really enjoyed yesterdays seminar, though at the start I was worried it was turning into a pissing contest between middle aged male academics! Pitty it was cut short. I really wanted to pursue with you whether you felt the blogsphere and other eCitizen interventions can make more of an impact here than in places with more settled political institutions and classes. I suppose I feel that all this stuff is just a tool, and can be used for good or ill - the real challenge is to build the new political commons that breaks down the barriers between the poltical class and 'civil society'. One other thing that occured to me (reinforced this morning by the announcement of an 'over 50's Facebook'), was that the internet may reinforce generational schisms rather than helping us to overcome them. Certainly the (important) emphasis on child protection has the side-effect of making inter-generational debate on line more difficult! Thanks for a stimulating afternoon, and it was even better to realise we'd apparently hijacked some regular lecture slot - that's one way to improve higer ed! Mick – I really enjoyed yesterdays seminar, though at the start I was worried it was turning into a pissing contest between middle aged male academics! Pitty it was cut short. I really wanted to pursue with you whether you felt the blogsphere and other eCitizen interventions can make more of an impact here than in places with more settled political institutions and classes.

I suppose I feel that all this stuff is just a tool, and can be used for good or ill – the real challenge is to build the new political commons that breaks down the barriers between the poltical class and ‘civil society’.

One other thing that occured to me (reinforced this morning by the announcement of an ‘over 50′s Facebook’), was that the internet may reinforce generational schisms rather than helping us to overcome them. Certainly the (important) emphasis on child protection has the side-effect of making inter-generational debate on line more difficult!

Thanks for a stimulating afternoon, and it was even better to realise we’d apparently hijacked some regular lecture slot – that’s one way to improve higer ed!

]]> By: Mick Fealty http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183800 Mick Fealty Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:57:51 +0000 #comment-183800 Thanks guys. Glad you could come. Sorry not to get to meet. I hope to get a chance to do my own write up. I enjoyed it. Thanks guys. Glad you could come. Sorry not to get to meet. I hope to get a chance to do my own write up. I enjoyed it.

]]> By: Alan in Belfast http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183692 Alan in Belfast Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:09:42 +0000 #comment-183692 Sorry for having to leave early - typed up <a href="http://alaninbelfast.blogspot.com/2007/10/deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics.html">a few reflections</a> on an interesting hour and a bit. Will update it with a photo once Blogger starts behaving! And thanks for letting us know about the seminar. Sorry for having to leave early – typed up a few reflections on an interesting hour and a bit. Will update it with a photo once Blogger starts behaving! And thanks for letting us know about the seminar.

]]> By: dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183624 dewi Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:01:06 +0000 #comment-183624 Excellent Mick and great to see youth engaging with a sad old geek like yourself......and that was Malachi O Doherty at the back you know...Lol. Seriously reading notes on train and will try and summarise but first observation is very generic: Product innovation is sometimes inspired, sometimes fashionable however product development is where the market - ie Capital and associated legal framwork gets involved - beauty of that is that no one knows how things are going to pan out. There are a numbers of relationships involved where economic utility transfer occurs. Source data provider / author to Slugger. Slugger to consumer, consumer to Slugger, commentor to Slugger and commenter to commenter - indeed tha last example - for me these days its the funny things here I'd pay for. It will be interesting to see how all that pans out. Thanks again - fascinating. Excellent Mick and great to see youth engaging with a sad old geek like yourself……and that was Malachi O Doherty at the back you know…Lol.
Seriously reading notes on train and will try and summarise but first observation is very generic:
Product innovation is sometimes inspired, sometimes fashionable however product development is where the market – ie Capital and associated legal framwork gets involved – beauty of that is that no one knows how things are going to pan out. There are a numbers of relationships involved where economic utility transfer occurs. Source data provider / author to Slugger. Slugger to consumer, consumer to Slugger, commentor to Slugger and commenter to commenter – indeed tha last example – for me these days its the funny things here I’d pay for.
It will be interesting to see how all that pans out.

Thanks again – fascinating.

]]> By: Nevin http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183506 Nevin Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:21:32 +0000 #comment-183506 Harry, do you envy <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Flashmancover.jpg">the 'real' Harry</a> (jpg image)? Harry, do you envy the ‘real’ Harry (jpg image)?

]]> By: Mick Hall http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183457 Mick Hall Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:20:57 +0000 #comment-183457 "(sorry to disappoint anyone who thought I actually was Captain Harry Paget Flashman VC, late of the 11th Light Dragoons)." Harry How could anyone have mistaken such a modest, retiring, liberal minded fellow such as you for that bounder Harry Paget Flashman VC late of the 11th Light Dragoons. Impossible. “(sorry to disappoint anyone who thought I actually was Captain Harry Paget Flashman VC, late of the 11th Light Dragoons).”

Harry
How could anyone have mistaken such a modest, retiring, liberal minded fellow such as you for that bounder Harry Paget Flashman VC late of the 11th Light Dragoons. Impossible.

]]> By: dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183421 dewi Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:57:53 +0000 #comment-183421 Nah Harry we know you are really Rudyard Kipling.... Nah Harry we know you are really Rudyard Kipling….

]]> By: Harry Flashman http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183412 Harry Flashman Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:54:35 +0000 #comment-183412 There's a world of difference between anonymity and pseudonyminty which is what is usually the case here. If all the posters were anonymous then the discussion would simply descend into a jumble of meaningless statements suspended without context. However where we have the situation of pseudonyms we can very quickly understand with whom we should be discussing points and over time we get to establish a "mind's eye" charachterisation of the person we debate with; his/her opinions, lifestyle, age, religion, location etc without actually having to know that person's exact identity and this makes for a freer more relaxed debate. I do salute the contributors who have the balls to apend their full names to their posts. Unfortunately given my family and personal circumstances I cannot be one of those posters (sorry to disappoint anyone who thought I actually was Captain Harry Paget Flashman VC, late of the 11th Light Dragoons). There’s a world of difference between anonymity and pseudonyminty which is what is usually the case here. If all the posters were anonymous then the discussion would simply descend into a jumble of meaningless statements suspended without context.

However where we have the situation of pseudonyms we can very quickly understand with whom we should be discussing points and over time we get to establish a “mind’s eye” charachterisation of the person we debate with; his/her opinions, lifestyle, age, religion, location etc without actually having to know that person’s exact identity and this makes for a freer more relaxed debate.

I do salute the contributors who have the balls to apend their full names to their posts. Unfortunately given my family and personal circumstances I cannot be one of those posters (sorry to disappoint anyone who thought I actually was Captain Harry Paget Flashman VC, late of the 11th Light Dragoons).

]]> By: Turgon http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183384 Turgon Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:25:14 +0000 #comment-183384 Dewi, No I know, I expect it to be a march over. Dewi,
No I know, I expect it to be a march over.

]]> By: dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183383 dewi Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:23:38 +0000 #comment-183383 Turgon - will u please forget the irrelevant stuff and start to focus on your campaign ? It's not going to be a walkover you know... Turgon – will u please forget the irrelevant stuff and start to focus on your campaign ? It’s not going to be a walkover you know…

]]> By: Turgon http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183382 Turgon Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:17:44 +0000 #comment-183382 Dewi, In all seriousness I always assumed that it would be quite easy to work out where someone posted from and as such who they are. Does each computer not up load some sort of tag when you add information to a page such as this? Or is my very limited computer understanding total nonsense? Having emailed Mick from the same computer I have posted from, I just assumed he could work out who I was. I also assumed he would not care and had much better things to do with his time. Dewi,
In all seriousness I always assumed that it would be quite easy to work out where someone posted from and as such who they are. Does each computer not up load some sort of tag when you add information to a page such as this? Or is my very limited computer understanding total nonsense?

Having emailed Mick from the same computer I have posted from, I just assumed he could work out who I was. I also assumed he would not care and had much better things to do with his time.

]]> By: dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183379 dewi Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:10:21 +0000 #comment-183379 Turgon - I hope the encryption software works ok - if not we'll revert to code A. In Dublin working on presidential campaign - "Operation Oiling the Wheels" Of the 20 TDs for nomination I reckon we got 11 secure - your promise to move the Dail to Cork went down a treat. Need soom help in Mayo however - any ideas ? P.S. Totally confidential - this message will self destruct in ten seconds... Turgon – I hope the encryption software works ok – if not we’ll revert to code A.
In Dublin working on presidential campaign – “Operation Oiling the Wheels”
Of the 20 TDs for nomination I reckon we got 11 secure – your promise to move the Dail to Cork went down a treat.
Need soom help in Mayo however – any ideas ?
P.S. Totally confidential – this message will self destruct in ten seconds…

]]> By: Turgon http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183367 Turgon Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:39:47 +0000 #comment-183367 I would dearly like to go to the meeting tomorrow but cannot. I find the comments on anonymity very interesting and I agree with Garibaldy and Billy Pilgrim and Miss Fitz on the "To blog or not to blog" thread. I prefer not to use my own name as I fear that publicly holding views of a prodiban nature would result in me being seen at work as a terrorist supporter, bigot or just mad. In reality when you have been on this site for a while you know a bit about the views of the other commentors and, with a number of exceptions; whilst I often disagree with them I feel I know (usually respect and often like) them too well to launch into vitriol. I hope those I like and respect will forgive me when I fail in these not especially high or demanding standards. There is also the simple fact that if I started to use my own name no one would know who I was on this site, whereas when I use the name Turgon most know roughly what they are going to get. I have also promised Elenwe that I will not allow myself to be identified but that is a different matter. I would dearly like to go to the meeting tomorrow but cannot.

I find the comments on anonymity very interesting and I agree with Garibaldy and Billy Pilgrim and Miss Fitz on the “To blog or not to blog” thread.

I prefer not to use my own name as I fear that publicly holding views of a prodiban nature would result in me being seen at work as a terrorist supporter, bigot or just mad.

In reality when you have been on this site for a while you know a bit about the views of the other commentors and, with a number of exceptions; whilst I often disagree with them I feel I know (usually respect and often like) them too well to launch into vitriol. I hope those I like and respect will forgive me when I fail in these not especially high or demanding standards.

There is also the simple fact that if I started to use my own name no one would know who I was on this site, whereas when I use the name Turgon most know roughly what they are going to get. I have also promised Elenwe that I will not allow myself to be identified but that is a different matter.

]]> By: Dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183347 Dewi Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:39:54 +0000 #comment-183347 4-6....got it from Facebook...thanks Mick ! 4-6….got it from Facebook…thanks Mick !

]]> By: dewi http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/10/29/can-the-internet-provide-a-deliberative-space-for-our-new-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-183344 dewi Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:00:14 +0000 #comment-183344 Roughly what time will it finish anyone ? P.S. On bus to Dublin a pile of London goths on the way to Tara.....Hmmm Roughly what time will it finish anyone ?
P.S. On bus to Dublin a pile of London goths on the way to Tara…..Hmmm

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