UDA have 60 days to comply..
The Social Development Minister Margaret Ritchie has stated that the UDA must engage in a process of decommissioning, overseen by DeChastelain, and move to end criminality if the funding of the UPRG project is to proceed. And they have 60 days to do that in. Personally I’m with Hugh Orde.. and they’ve had more than enough time already. I’ll add any more details as they emerge. Adds Press release from the Department here. And the Minister’s full statement here Update According to a usually reliable Slugger source the Social Development Minister wanted to withdraw the funding immediately.. but none of her Executive colleagues would support that position. Which brings into question what will happen after the 60 days are up..From the Minister’s statement
I have decided therefore that the funding for the CTI project will cease unless there is clear evidence that the UDA means what it says. The funding will end 60 days from now unless there is clear and demonstrable evidence that the UDA has engaged meaningfully with the IICD and has started to decommission its weapons.
I will also want to see evidence that the UDA has moved irreversibly away from criminality and violence to positive and lawful community transformation.
If the evidence and commitment that I seek are forthcoming the funding for the project will remain in place for the three year period as long as the progress towards decommissioning and reducing violence and criminality is sustained.
If, however, what I seek is not evident within 60 days the funding will stop and the project will be wound up. Consequently I have suggested to the Farset organisation, which administers the project, that the staff involved whose interests need to be recognised be put on protective notice.
The conflict is over but the peace is not easy.
This is a test of that.
I’d suggest they’ve already failed that test..
More Sinn Féin’s Alex Maskey criticises the announcement as “public posturing”… while Irish Government Minister Dermot Ahern supports the move.
IF they want to show they are serious there should be legislation tabled that anybody caught with illegal explosives, bomb making equipment or firearms gets a mandatory life sentence wih a minimum jail term of 25 years.
At last someone is tackling the elephant in the room. Fair play to Margaret. Personally very courageous.
Tkmaxx
I can do not better than agree completely with what you said.
Fair play to Margaret. Now watch them thugs squirm. Decommissioning hasn’t gone away, you know!
The mind boggles as to why ANY money at all is ever going to be paid to the likes of the UDA.
The whole situation is lunacy and would not occur anywhere else.
Whoa – stop the rush. Two months ago Mags said she was going to stop the money. Now 2 months later she is sdaying she is going to give it another 2 months before deciding what to do.
Anyway surely it is some kind of mistake to even link public money for guns.
But then neither would having unrepentant terrorists in government.
///The whole situation is lunacy and would not occur anywhere else. ///
I think Ritchie is spot on. Watch the appeasing scum in the NIO try and offer their buddies in the UDA some political cover. Watch for the dirty-tricks against the minister as well!
This was a brave decision and i don’t mean in the Sir Humphrey sense!
Good thing the Social Development portfolio didn’t go to a Sinn Féin MLA. It would have meant damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Absolutely brilliant. Make those b*stards squirm. A big well done from this Unionist!
“Well done, Margaret.”
“gets a mandatory life sentence wih a minimum jail term of 25 years”.. lol
but stopping short of daisy-cutters eh.
Dear oh dear the self-righteous condemnation, and desperate attempts at distancing oneself from the stink to claim moral purity is toxic.
You ain’t fooling me one little bit with that hang em and flog em rant.
Good move margaret.
yup, I think the majority of unionists and nationalists will be fairly satisfied with this decision. Question now is, will the UDA throw the rattle out of the pram and go nuts, or will they take this all on board and try to get their drinking tokens back. Certainly a much better decision that remving the cash altogther – puts the ball firmly in the UDAs court – nice move and listening to the speach, it was well written and delivered effectively.
I wonder what the reponse from the other parties will be – I think they;ll find it hard to argue with her – perhaps SF will deand immediate withdrawl of the funds?
Yo Margaret – Respec’ ‘iz due
Big thumbs up from this Unionist too. Now let ARA/SOCA or whatever take away all their Beemers, holiday homes in Spain and the £25k they just happen to have kept in a shoe box from that time when they had that really big windown the bookies.
Frig me, Some of them might even need to get a job!
b45 :p
I’m still mystified as to why any money at all is going to them. I can think of atleast 4 or 5 projects in East Belfast alone who despirately need a cash infusion and aren’t fronted by anyone in the UPRG, yet their cries for funding sre ignored.
ATH
Alliance already have!
Hardly surprising she didn’t cut the funding immediately really. All her officals would have been advising against any cuts, telling her it would be impossible etc. All of course nonsense but it would have been the instruction from the Chief mandarins in Stormont castle to keep the scum on their money leash.
Cue Frankie Gallagher with some thinly veiled threats…
It’s not lunacy but it IS a logical consequence of not taking the option of “extreme prejudice” – much though certain extreme right-wingers would have had government doing for thirty years and would still have it do, even in peacetime.
NOT using daisy cutters or napalm as the preferred option is what helps give Government a moral authority above that of unelectable armchair generals and guttersnipes.
Dec
Of course. Frankie will be trawling through his well thumbed Conflict Resolution for Beginners handbook right at this minute searching out the terrorist spokeman’s cliches for this situation.
They just roll out of him without challenge even though it’s obvious he hasn’t the first clue what they mean himself.
Yes indeed, the elephant is now truly in focus.
Don’t criticize the Minister too much for allowing 60 days. At least we now have a firm deadline.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6939636.stm
alex maskey is attacking Ms Richie for not showing decisive leadership,
i wonder how the SF ministers on the executive feel about these comments!!!
and what they siad in the executive?
Spot on Cuchulainn.
This decision could have been taken at Executive level. And it would have sent out a stronger message to the scum.
Why was there no pressure from the DFM’s office to support Ritchie? Perhaps he has closer links to the UDA’s paymasters in the NIO than we think?
Good move Margaret
If they think they are going to get government money, they need to show they are open to change. They are the ones holding back East Belfast.
All the fuss about a million quid or two.. has that become big money to the paramilitaries these days? I’m not sure about the carrot and I’m not sure about the stick, so what’s the subtext to this plot? Perhaps it’s disengagement with honor and people need to be paid to go home, but I can’t see real change happening over one week’s take from the working class parts of town. It would provide a shopping trip to Italy for a new wardrobe though…
Ben
Insider’s cut-and-paste from Alex Maskey’s statement is a pathetic piece of partisan sniping from behind the ditch. Only the Executive as a whole could have renounced a legally made decision by Peter Hain. Margaret Ritchie has taken action on her own authority, while Maskey’s colleagues on the Executive sat on their hands. She is bound to take account of employment contracts already signed by the Direct Rulers, and it really is posturing to suggest otherwise. Ritchie laid her stall out honestly when Peter Hain announced the grant – all Alex Maskey could do was talk about deep unease in the nationalist community, as if there wasn’t just as much unease among decent unionists. It is glaringly obvious that Ritchie has done the right thing.
“Margaret Ritchie has stated that the UDA must engage in a process of decommissioning, overseen by DeChastelain, and move to end criminality if the funding of the UPRG project is to proceed. And they have 60 days to do that in.”
Attempting to back the UDA into a corner by changing tact from the carrot to the stick is a very very stupid move. In last month’s “Warrior”, the North Antrim/Londonderry monthly magazine, below the heading “THE UPRG – A STICK TO BEAT THE UDA WITH?”, this was the response to voices wishing to penalise the UPRG and attempts to undermine the work of the Group:
“The Ulster Political Research Group was established as a political “think-tank” and advisory body for the Ulster Defence Association. It was never intended to be a political party nor replacement for the Ulster Democratic Party. As such the UPRG has given advice to the UDA leadership as well as acted as spokesmen on behalf of the UDA as a whole. It has been to the forefront in attempting to transform the UDA from a paramilitary organisation. In this respect government funding was made available to expand the UPRG’s work and attempt to bring the UDA as an organisation into the political and cultural spheres rather than as a solely paramilitary organisation.
In this respect the UPRG has given good and on the odd occasion dubious advice to the UDA but on the whole it has been for the benefit of the organisation. However it must be strongly stated that the UPRG is NOT the UDA. Neither will it ultimately decide the UDA’s future – that decision will be taken by individual brigadiers on the advice from the membership of each individual brigade.
This must be clear as our enemies seem to believe that the UPRG can be used as a weapon by it to deliver the disarming and disbanding of the UDA.”
The article goes on to refer to Ritchie’s recent threatening comments about the near £500,000 a year HMG had given the UPRG and how it would be stopped if the UDA did not “decommision their arsenal”.
The article goes on to emphasise the fact that “UDA weapons have remained silent despite provocation and that “If our enemies believe that they can “buy” our weapons, intimidate or threaten us like a bunch of petty criminals then they have grossly misread the role of the UPRG and the determination of grassroots UDA members not to be disarmed leaving themselves, their families and community vulnerable”.
The final two paragraphs don’t beat about the bush and hint at the direction the UDA will take if the UPRG and the UDA continue to be harassed and harangued by people like Ritchie and HMG:
“As for the UPRG. If funding is to be withdrawn then go ahead. The UPRG will still exist in a solely voluntary form although its ability to influence UDA thinking will have been weakened and if it ever becomes a burden or begins to outgrow the UDA or believes itself above the UDA then it will be disbanded. If our enemies and the enemies of the Ulster people wish to try and use the UPRG as a stick to beat the UDA then again if necessary that “stick” will be removed.
The UDA will not be threatened by anyone or any Government. There is no single individual, no single part nor branch of the UDA that decides independently how everyone else will behave or what to believe. We are an organisation of many parts and we will internally and equally decide our future, our political aspirations and our military intent. No-one else will tell us what to do and as for financial or other threats, well that’s just laughable.
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A stark warning indeed to Ritchie and others who have their own nationalist agenda…
Margaret has played this very well. Enough time to prove themselves, some chance of that, but not enough to allow it to be spun out. She hasn’t left herself open to accusations of not giving them every chance. People will be delighted that she has specified what exactly needs to be done before the cut-off. They are sick to death of bland, meaningless, get out statements.
Excellent job.
In last month’s “Warriorâ€
ROTFLMAO
What other articles are in this hilariously-named tome?
I think it would have been better if the Minister had suspended any further payments UNTIL the guns had been decommissioned and until crime by the UDA had been verifiably eliminated. Then it could be restored. This way, the UDA get to keep the money and play games with the guns and crime issues….
I’d also like to congratulate Margaret Richie for making this decision. If she’d cut the funding now she would have been attacked for undermining the political influence the UPRG has over the UDA and if she’d let them have the money with no conditions attached she would have been (rightly) attacked.
Her decision was the best move possible and if her decision results in the UDA decommissioning Ms Richie should be commended. To any naysayers who are still out there this is a brave decision by a local politician which would not have been made by any Direct Rule minister.
The only thing that remains is how the UDA approach this. Surely they must realise that now is the time to hand in their guns. Margaret Richie has made a brave decision now it’s time for the UDA to follow suit.
how unfair on the U.D.A.!!!
The U.V.F. can still murder, deal drugs, target for murder, intimidate, give punishment beatings, run hookers, take protection money and get lucrative contracts from government organisations for their building firms and not hand over ONE BULLET. But yet they have someone in our government and on our POLICING BOARD????
My advice to the scum in the UDA who still want to continue their activities is to join the U.V.F. and not worry about any come back!!
Margaret ritchie has shown what the unionist politicians and the british governments are all about, SPINELESS WASTE OF SPACES!!!!
Concerned UDA apologist
What makes you think that should those thinly veiled threats ever come to pass that the UDA wouldn’t be finished within 48 hours?
Licenses could be revoked, (what joy to see that eh!).
I’m sure whatever scum is left after that could be rounded up in a couple of days after special branch and the NIO take there hand down from the UDAs arse and actually use the files that they have compiled on the muppets.
You really don’t get it do you?
Internment didn’t work the first time because you had a large community who had sympathy with the cause and huge feelings of discontent within communities as well.
If the UDA were rounded up and interned tomorrow can you see the unionist working classes on a huge scale rising attacking their own sons and daughters in the PSNI.
I always love it when journo’s question loyalist leaders about decommissioning and disbandment and the line trotted out is that “paramilitaries didn’t come out of nowhere” “they’re part of the community as well etc”
The same argumnent could be said about paedophiles or rapists!
The UDA have no support within loyalist working classes and as such as a paramilitary group are only ever one step away from extinction!
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Hogan: “Why was there no pressure from the DFM’s office to support Ritchie? Perhaps he has closer links to the UDA’s paymasters in the NIO than we think? ”
I’ll say it again — what moral authority does wee Marty bring to the table? MMG serves best by keeping his mouth shut and maintaining a low profile in this scenario, something he’s done middlin’ well thus far… a pity some of the other lens-lice couldn’t follow his example.
Dread
He brings none per se, but i was merely making the point that Ritchie seems politcally pretty isolated at the minute? No other ministers have commented?
Why no support for a fellow executive member who has possibly just taken the first decision against the advice of officals in the history of the NIO?
On the basis of Margaret Ritchie’s ultimatum should the UDA not consider renaming their monthly “Worriers”?
Crayon jottings on butcher’s paper, CL.
Somehow, it would seem the rest of us are not impressed with the meanderings of “The Warrior,” no doubt coming to a news-stand soon in color by numbers format for the more limited members of its leadership.
As a soon-to-be University student, mayhap you could explain to your less than sophisticated cohorts that the government is not some two register inconvenience store for them to extort a few bob out from. Likewise, the reason that the UDA has a “think-tank” is that their political party was unelectable because they have no support.
The biggest irony with these tone-deaf thugs in the UDA is for all the Loyalist crowing about the government putting the boot on the Republican’s necks, they seem to miss the notion that the same boot will fit just as nicely on a Loyalist neck as well.
Keep buying rope, guys… when you’ve got enough, I’ll show you what the lever is for…
Twice from the quoted “Warrior” article:
“If our enemies….”
Could one of the UDA apologists explain to us who these enemies are.
Hogan: “He brings none per se, but i was merely making the point that Ritchie seems politcally pretty isolated at the minute? No other ministers have commented? ”
And, yet, in your haste to make this general point, you picked the one minister least useful in this scenario as your example. The one that needs to speak up the most, I would argue, it Rev. Paisley, who does have a modicum of moral authority in this instance. Now, in his favor, Rev. No has already decried the recent crimes. All he has to do is agree with the punishments. Should be simple enough and, arguably, by not kicking her in the shins, he may think that he is doing so or he may be hanging her out to dry.
Time will tell…
“If the UDA were rounded up and interned tomorrow can you see the unionist working classes on a huge scale rising attacking their own sons and daughters in the PSNI.”
Posted by Hogan from County Tyrone on Aug 10, 2007 @ 01:19 PM
No I couldn’t see people “attacking their sons and daughters in the PSNI” because the number of working classes unionists in the PSNI is low. Due to so-called “50:50″ discrimination, “unionist working classes” are being prevented from joining the PSNI, being passed over in favour of their republican working class counterparts..
That makes your argument redundant and irrelevant Hogan…
Dread Cthulhu
Spot on.
Martin should just stay stum, no matter what he said he can only do damage speaking out. Dr No needs at the first excuse to say publicly that the executive, or at the very least he and his party, back the minister 100% in this. He doesn’t have to go into any more detail than that. That will be enough to send messages all round – good or bad depending on who you are.
“As a soon-to-be University student”
Posted by Dread Cthulhu on Aug 10, 2007 @ 01:49 PM
I am 22 now and have already been to uni for 3 years but left my International Politics (with a Minor subject) course to take a year out because I decided on a career change. Going back in September now to study History (3 modules) and Journalism (3 modules)…
Ok concerned loyalist if you want to be clever permit me to siimplify my argument.
If the UDA were rounded up tomorrow and threw in HMP Magilligan would any section of decent society give a fiddler’s f*ck?
Seems pretty coherent to me!
Sadly all you sluggerites have been caught up (yet again) in the spin and the posturing. You are not part of the process so you make assumptions based on a press release and the stated intent of a politician. A politician mind!. I will let you in on some facts;
In talks held with representatives of the UPRG the minister PRAISED the work of the CTI scheme. She recognised some real progress had been made. The NIO has strongly recommended that the scheme carry on. The DSD have strongly recommended that the scheme goes on. Church leaders have urged that the scheme goes on. And so on and so on.
Todays announcement has been done to placate the dweebs and the sad, the bitter and the easily led, the sunday worshippers and the Sunday World readers (what a combination!). In short it has been done to put this whole issue to bed. What will happen after 60 days? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Save this quote, come back in 60 days and realise that progress is real and spin merely an illusion. The scheme will continue and will continue to impress those that make the real decisions (hint – not you, not the media, not the wannabe politicians either). Please cut and paste this quote and save it to your desktops, come back in 60 days.
The UPRG will CONTINUE to engage with the IMC. That is not a change in and of itself. It will just continue. No decommisioning will take place as it is not part of the CTI process. If you believe anything else then you have been misled and ill informed.
CL: “I am 22 now and have already been to uni for 3 years but left my International Politics (with a Minor subject) course to take a year out because I decided on a career change. Going back in September now to study History (3 modules) and Journalism (3 modules)… ”
I’m sure your family is very proud, CL…
Changes nothing — the UDA is still a collection of hoods, the UPRG a collection of sock-puppets and apologists — see, even Lofty has finally steeled the resolve to come provide some spin.
Riots and veiled threats, even with someone as enthused as lofty providing post-threat spin, aren’t going to win the support of the general populace. The fact that this shower of hoods known as the UDA lacks the support of the local communities is telling. Hell, even the UVF could scrounge up an MP of their own. The UDA has a “think-tank” because they can’t even manage that.
Hogan “If the UDA were rounded up tomorrow and threw in HMP Magilligan would any section of decent society give a fiddler’s f*ck?”
Probably not. Unlike the “catholic community”, protestants never really fancied voting for political facades on terrorist foundations.
Probably not. Unlike the “catholic communityâ€, protestants never really fancied voting for political facades on terrorist foundations.
Unlike the ‘Protestant’ community, Catholics never mistook support for the DUP as opposition to loyalist paramilitarism.
^Changes nothing—the UDA is still a collection of hoods, the UPRG a collection of sock-puppets and apologists—see, even Lofty has finally steeled the resolve to come provide some spin.^
Unlike you CL I have a life outside of Slugger and need to also spend some time with my family. I do not need resolve to lay out some more spin for you nor issue threats. Indeed I have threatened no one. I have just laid out some facts for you. Digest them, come back in 60 days and we will see who is the sock puppet and who knows the score.
Todays announcement has been done to placate the dweebs and the sad, the bitter and the easily led, the sunday worshippers and the Sunday World readers (what a combination!).
Ah, Slugger’s resident champion of the vilification of dead children returns. So, Margaret Ritchie is lying and the tax-paying public are ‘dweebs’ are we? Ah well, I look forward to more nights of rioting by drug-dealing, hoody-wearing idiots, more interviews with semi-literate morons in suits and next time one of the sons of Ulster open fire at some copper’s back, lets hope they start blasting back.
Good, screw them. It’ll be interesting to see their reaction.