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The BBC news report at 9.00 said UVF – but then it was the English news.
Does this now provide Margaret Ritchie the perfect excuse to hold back the cheque?
Pacman
Thanks for that. I was going by online reports and made what looks like a dodgy assumption. My apologies for my error.
I have replaced it with for a direct quote from the article.
Given recent tensions I believe the BBC have probably got it wrong Fair Deal – as I stated, it was the English version as opposed to the local news so they’ve probably just picked three letters out of a hat and ran with it.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0722/psni.html
A crime is a crime is a crime. Unionists should be kicked out of government for this. Given that the Unionist criminals killed the first soldier in the Troubles, will they also get the honour of whacking the last peeler?
Bored are you Joe????
fair deal
RTÉ has the quote from Frankie Gallagher
Joe, don’t be silly.
I wonder if the UDA will hand the names of those involved in this over to the police ?
I hope the government puts that check on express delivery after all with a genuine statement of “its not us, its them” I am sure we all feel better and re-assured that the peeler was shot by accident and not with a loyalist paramilitary weapon because they have all been decomissione….. oh wait never mind
by the way i think Joe is being perfectly reasonable. This is exactly what would be comming out of the unionist community if it was the IRA
‘The UPRG is calling on all its people to support the police and is appealing for calm amongst its people across Northern Ireland.’
This is hardly new. It was the rationale behind the death squads.
“The UPRG would, on behalf of all people in our community”
Curious one that. Is that the loyalist community, the Unionist community, the Protestant community, the whole community, just the drug-dealers, just the extortionists, just the good-UDA or who exactly?
Given that they have continued to fail in garnering elctoral support, just who is it exactly that the UPRG think that they represent?
Pardon my geography – but this does relate to the ‘South East Antrim brigade’ given where it happened? Or should I go back to school?
Joe O’Reilly (/Sean/Whatever name) – “A crime is a crime is a crime. Unionists should be kicked out of government for this.”
Haven’t you been following election results over the years? The UDA gets very very little political support from the Unionist community. Compare this with the majority of Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland who support Sinn Fein IRA death squad members in the Government.
With unionist communities full of armed & active terrorists, its hardly surprising that people get shot.
Joe O’Reilly
if I’m wrong someone will correct me but I think your facts are incorrect,
I think the first soldier killed in the troubles was Gunner Curtis who was shot by the IRA on the New Lodge Load.
The first policeman killed in the troubles was indeed killed by loyalists. Again going by memory (being old has its advantages!) his name was constable Arbuckle and he was killed on the Shankill Road by loyalist gunmen.
The first bombings of the troubles were also carried out by the UVF against water pipelines going from silent valley to belfast.
I also think the first civilian to be killed in the current troubles was barman Peter Ward who was murdered by Gusty Spence and his UVF collegues.
I also think that the RUC were also one of the fist to the party, beating to death Samual Daveny in his home in the Bogside before the provos launched their campaign.
This is from memory but I am sure some sluggerette will correct the facts if I am wrong.
Castlemara estate has always been infested by loyalist vermin
http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0112/north.html
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2000/08/31/current/ipage_17.htm
M. Ritchie must be jumping with joy. Now she can push ahead with the sectarian funding policy. Pump money into catholic swing (between SDLP and SF) areas. Deny all protestant areas funding and adopt a moral face as a cover. And they call this government.
Harold.
I spent a large part of my life growing up in Castlemara estate, and am neither loyalist nor vermin.
Whilst it is true there are far too many paramilitary scumbags around the place, we need to watch our language, lest we heap more insult upon the majority of law abiding people that not only live there, but are already burdened by having these scumbags amongst them in the first place.
David-
“M. Ritchie must be jumping with joy. Now she can push ahead with the sectarian funding policy. Pump money into catholic swing (between SDLP and SF) areas. Deny all protestant areas funding and adopt a moral face as a cover.”
What a ridiculous comment. Margaret Ritchie has admirably shown since she became Minister that she is concerned with the real problems in people’s lives, regardless of their background. She has been to loyalist areas on several occasions, lest you forget. I’ve no idea what the mechanisms are behind the ridiculous British Direct Rule funding plan for loyalists, but no doubt if it is pulled, the money will be spent on dealing with the real issues faced by people in those communities.
“And they call this government.”
No, they call the actual operation of the Executive in the real world ‘government’. What you describe is a mere flight of fancy which thankfully only exists within the confines of your own petty mind.
Harold
I assume you are a Republican of whichever hue, it is what we have come to expect on Slugger from your ilk.
I am a Unionist and Gallagher and his henchmen of the URPG neither speak for or represent me and I am sure like me many Unionists either with a small or large P condemn the acts of all the UDA and their alleged political spokesperson I can assure you that they are not doing this in my name or with my consent.
TAFKABO
Well written according to Harold every Unionist is scum so you know where he comes from. I suppose it was not worth the reply giving his ilk space on Slugger is scandalous. Insults are easy from a sedentary position.
CAN ANYONE SUPPLY ANY NEW FACTS REGARDING THE SHOOTING INCIDENT LAST NIGHT.DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAMES OF THOSE ARRESTED AND HOW IS THE SITUATION IN THE AREA TONIGHT.
Yes, the PSNI has all the info you need, ladysnowblood- Tel. 90650222.
thankyou young newton you are a true gent. I’ll just order my pizza then i’ll give them a call to get all the latest gossip
P+j
nice try but joe is his own man just because I agree with him doesnt make me a puppet I mean I dont call you crumbs puppet do I
PeaceandJustice
give up the self righteous nonsense
unionists want to be part of a country that is waging an illegal war and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
they want to be part of a country that ran loyalist death squads in our little corner of ireland.
give it a break
Bloody hell Sean….you actually agree with Joe…..enough said I think……
my goodness, Hecks on the band wagon aswell, and there was me thinking more of her/him……
Heck,
What about our little corner of Ireland that is so EFF’D up that it has terrorists in government (they did kill people you know) and religious bigots who control power in this wee corner of ours….you make me laugh….its all the brits fault….nothing to do with people like you right enough……
P&J – “The UDA gets very very little political support from the Unionist community. Compare this with the majority of Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland who support Sinn Fein IRA death squad members in the Government.”
And it would appear from the executive institutions in place P&J, that those people who vote for the DUP and UUP support Sinn Finn members in government also.
Isn’t it great that some of us can look to the future rather than living in the past.
‘All you need to do is wear a Northern Ireland tracksuit top. This is the current de rigeur fashion item amongst discerning UDA Brigadiers.’
Noticed that in today’s paper, hardly surprising then when they put up owc flags with uda flags in many unionist areas.
welcome Tim, join in…..all prods are bigots dont you know…..even, and I’ll wisper this…Nothern Ireland fans…..even the kids…imagine supporting your own country…what bigots….
“Aaaayyyyeeeeeeee wish I waaaaaaaaaassssssss, in Carrickfer-er-guuuuuuuuuuuussssss!”
Yer Woman
A lovely rendition, I must say.
Not to distract from the fascinating reminisces about death squads and which side of the soldier/murderer/idealist/bigot divides various elected representatives are on is this the start of a great new war or merely a gun in the hands of a disgruntled (and none too smart) criminal?
Anyone?
pathetic, inconsistent and arbitrary censorship yet again by the moderator.
Rob
“all prods are bigots dont you know…..even, and I’ll wisper this…Nothern Ireland fans…..even the kids…imagine supporting your own country”
I can’t speak for Tim and I certainly don’t think that all prods are bigots.
However, anyone who attended NI matches at Windsor Park for decades couldn’t be blamed for thinking that all NI fans were. The pro UDA/UVF chants, flags etc. The sickening chants about the Virgin Mary and the songs about the innocent Catholics being butchered.
I’ll whisper this – all Catholics like me who don’t support NI are bigots – we all imagined those chants + flags, we imagined the players playing for their country and being booed (or even having their life threatened) because of your religion.
My, what bigots we are.
Billy I’ll think you;’ff find that the sickening chants thing works both ways. I remember attening a Linfield Cliftonville game at Windsor Park, an interesting experience for a glentoran fan like myself, a few weeks after the Shankill Bombing. The cliftonville crowd sang a pretty wee ditty “boom boom boom shake the shankill” to the tune of DJ Jazzy jeff and the Fresh Princes Boom Shake the room. Even then I accepted that it was a mindless minority who sang that and I didn’t judge all Cliftonville fans by the example, so why can’t you accept the same that only a mindless minority of NI fans sing sectarian songs?
given that the policeman was shot in the back is it not fair to say that the terrorists were right behind the police service?
Pounder
I certainly agree that it is a small mindless minority now.
I am referring to the 70s + 80s when it certainly was not. I was asked to attend a NI/Scotland match in the late 80′s (we got some corporate tickets) and politely agreed albeit reluctantly.
We were sitting in pretty much the best seats in the house surrounded by businessmen in expensive suits – not the UVF/UDA types on the kop.
The anti-Catholic vitriol that was expressed by quite a few of these businessmen against the Celtic players in the Scotland (and Catholic players in the NI team) was disgusting (2 of the 3 Celtic players weren’t even Catholics!!).
In all fairness, my two colleagues who are both Protestants were also disgusted.
This was, of course, in addition to the constant booing of the Catholic players in the NI team BY THE OWN “FANS”.
I accept that the IFA have made big efforts over the last 5 years. However, this was mainly motivated by the awful international publicity
they got culminating in the Neil Lennon death threat.
If “football for all” succeeds in bringing people together – fine. And if some Catholics want to support NI – that’s fine also.
However, it’s way too late for people like me. I daresay that if you had been treated the way Catholic NI fans were for decades – you would feel the same way and I wouldn’t blame you.
I’m glad that people like Rob can take their kids to NI matches and enjoy a better atmosphere – frankly, it still has some way to go (“no surrender”) etc before any impartial person would classify it as a family atmosphere.
However, it’s laughable the way Catholics like me who don’t support NI are called bigots etc by NI supporters on this site.
Perhaps, if the IFA and a large majority of NI supporters hadn’t been prepared to tolerate decades of Catholic players and supporters being treated like shite, they would have a case.
The truth is that most NI Catholics support the RoI as a result of the way they or their family were treated for decades. I certainly wouldn’t expect anyone, regardless of colour or creed, to willingly accept the sort of vile bigotted behaviour on show at Windsor for decades.
In respect of NI Catholics supporting the RoI and NI young players opting to play for the RoI, the IFA and NI fans are simply reaping what they have sowed.