Sammy in a frenzy over Taigs teaching the Troubles
It would appear the introduction of ‘The Troubles’ within the Key stage three school curriculum has upset Assembly Education Committee Chair, DUP MP Sammy Wilson. The one-time teacher and Assistant Chief Examiner for A-Level Economics is concerned that catholic teachers (or as he puts it, “those involved in the maintained sector”) will bring their politics with them.
The cheek (pun intended) of this man seems to know no bounds. Quite why catholic teachers should particularly give Sammy cause for concern remains a mystery that perhaps he could clarify for those of us involved in education.
‘Bob from Boston, aka OFD, you are a disgrace by any standard, and should
simply get lost.’
The truth hurts……….tough.
‘BFB – Hw do you feel about SF support from and for anti-american groups?’
I’m not a SF supporter.
OK – how do you feel about the other Irish republican support from and for anti-american groups?
‘OK – how do you feel about the other Irish republican support from and for
anti-american groups?’
I don’t link the two. Make your point.
Bob:
Errr, my parents moved here from Louisburgh when I was two, so I guess I’ll happily miss your point.
You’re not missing the point, you know exactly what I’m talking about, and you’re wilfully running away from an argument you’re scared to have.
The English and Scottish people who presently live in this part of Ireland were born here. Why should they get out ?
Sorry. Should have said English and Scottish-descended people who presently live here. We’ve also got quite a large Chinese community, and recently we’re getting Eastern Europeans and various Asians, too. Variety is the spice of life.
Thinking of this :
“You and your ilk have no real idea of the way we Irish Americans support our interests back home. As for being crusaders, you bet your cowardly Yurpeen ass I support killing every last one of those who have it in their head to kill me… ”
The folks here you support are at the very least sympathetic to, if not actively helping, those ‘who have ( or have had) it in their head to kill’ Americans, of Irish descent or not. Not just in the middle east, but they supported your enemies in SE Asia. After all AP/RN got in trouble for it’s editorial post-9/11 which more or less said the USA got what it deserved.
‘The English and Scottish people who presently live in this part of Ireland
were born here. Why should they get out ?’
Get the shit out of your ears. I never made any statement like that. I would like to see a 32 county , united Ireland, under total Irish rule, with no foreign army present. Any resident of that free country can go, or stay, their choice.
Bob – does the US Military occupy Hawaii ?
‘The folks here you support’
You are assuming facts not in evidence. As for your other points, America sticks its chin out for what it feels is in their best interests. It is not the first or last time someone takes a swing at it. A way of life I soundly support. Must be a shallow life in the ‘head in the sand’ part of the world. And if you think your collective noggins won’t end up on someones block down the line then enjoy your selfish little bit of history.
‘Bob – does the US Military occupy Hawaii ?’
BWAAAAAAAAHAAAAA HEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sorry, I love yurpeen humour…..
lots of waffle Bob – but how do you feel about Irish republican support for North Vietnam when Irish-American boys were being slaughtered ? And How do you feel about Irish Republican support for Libya when Gadaffi was an active enemy of your country ? And Irish republican support over the years for all the other anti-american crazies like Hamas,PLO and Fatah ?
You must be either fool or a hypocrite to come out with the ” we Irish Americans support our interests back home. As for being crusaders, you bet your cowardly Yurpeen ass I support killing every last one of those who have it in their head to kill me… ” – because if you in any way support irish republicanism, you are being anti-American.
Bob:
Get the shit out of your ears. I never made any statement like that.
There is no need for profanity. Yes you did make a statement like that, it’s right there, earlier in the thread. You said : “The objective for more than a few hundred years has been to get the english out and have a united Ireland. So fah so good from where I’m standing…. “. Therefore, you are sympathetic to the objective of “getting the English out”, yes ?
I would like to see a 32 county , united Ireland, under total Irish rule, with no foreign army present.
Do you think the Irish people should have a say in the future of their country ? Why do you think the ideas of foreigners, such as yourself, have any role to play ?
You’ve made several comments supportive of the unelected terrorist organization describing itself as the IRA. Do you think it’s acceptable for people to support and promote terrorism in other countries ?
Sorry, I love yurpeen humour…..
I’m impressed by the mature and considered way you are conducting yourself in this debate. You surely are a good representative of the country from which you hail.
Ah well it was nice while it lasted. The thread has degenerated into a slanging match and has gone off topic. Thank god none of you are teaching my kids about the troubles. The shankil butchers could give a more reasonable and balanced view.
‘I’m impressed by the mature and considered way you are conducting yourself
in this debate. You surely are a good representative of the country from
which you hail.’
I’m not impressed or fooled one bit with your phony civility. You are wrong about me supporting terrorism and can’t show where I have. You know full well what I mean when I say english out of Ireland. And assigning your convenient motives to me is childish and transparent. If anything is profane in this forum it’s your condescending, claptrap attitude.
Cruimh,
Harold Wilson of the British Labour Party and one-time British Prime Minister once said:
“We must not join with nor in any way encourage the anti-Communist crusade in Asia.”
He also said that “a settlement in Asia is imperilled by the lunatic fringe in the American Senate who want a holy crusade against Communism.”
As Prime Minister, he condemned the bombings of Hanoi and Haiphong while his party at its annual conference passed a resolution calling on the US to stop bombing North Vietnam.
Of course for those wishing to make simplistic arguments this is clear evidence that if you support the British Labour Party, the current government of the UK, you are being anti-American.
For others, this is a small snapshot of what was going on 40 years ago and gives you a desire to learn more about what was really going on rather than finding more quotes to cement a defined view you already hold.
I’m glad you and Bob are not teaching any kind of history to children.
I wonder did Sammy Wilson, the one-time teacher and Assistant Chief Examiner for A-Level Economics, bring his participation in paramilitary, sectarian celebrations into the classroom ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/817946.stm
George – Bob has not been supporting Harold Wilson. Please don’t lay down smoke like this.
He has come out with patriotic hyperbole about killing his enemies – and yet he supports Irish Republicans actions in the past – who supported and still support the enemies of his country in the time frame we are discussing – what is euphemistically termed “the armed struggle”. Pele, I’ll remind you, who wrote in AP/RN that 9/11 was a result of US foreign policy.
pele? = plus , it’s late LOL
Diluted Orange,
[i]The use of ‘taig’ is also offensive.[/i]
How’s that? Do you know its origins?
They’re rhetorical questions, by the way, in case you might have missed that. Clearly you don’t.
Taig = Teague = League of Teagues.
Normally I charge for these lessons as Google doesn’t provide them, but I’m feeling generous today.
As for whether or not it’s offensive today, for some it depends on who’s using it and how he or she is using it. Personally I don’t find it offensive at all, but I have the benefit of knowing its origins, and that it was a self description.
Turning to the N-word, there are subtleties around spelling and pronunciation, and its usage by many African-Americans today. I wouldn’t presume to speak for them myself, but I understand the jist of their usage is to take ownership of the word, thereby removing the sting from it. Perhaps you could write to 50 cent and let him know just how strongly you feel about the matter, eh?
Incidentally, the N-word (with the “er” spelling at the end) became a derogatory word in the mid-19th century. One of the benefits of having BET in your TV channel line-up is you learn all kinds of things about African-Americans you didn’t know before. Perhaps you could ask your TV provider if it’s available in your area??
Opinions are wonderful, informed opinions even more so.
Roisin
I know it makes you feel big when you try to be condescending but alas I was aware about the Teague/Taig connection and seeing as Teague/Taig was used as a derogatory term by which to refer to the ‘natives’ all those years ago I don’t really see your point.
Whether you believe that Taig was offensive or not in its origin is pretty irrelevant – it’s offensive in the here and now.
[i]Personally I don’t find it offensive at all, but I have the benefit of knowing its origins, and that it was a self description.[/i]
Despite your claim that you don’t find the word offensive I’m sure that you’d find it hurtful if someone from the Unionist community were to refer to you by it. Or perhaps you talk about about a ‘self-description’ you are acknowledging that its use isn’t repugnant to you, so long as the person using the word is a Nationalist?
Next you’ll be telling me that the word ‘Fenian’ isn’t offensive because of its historical origins.
“my parents moved here from Louisburgh when I was two” .. Bob
A short history of Bellybob
Cruimh
How do you feel of UVF support for Gadafi at the same time?
“How do you feel of UVF support for Gadafi at the same time?”
UVF = Terrorist scum. But then, unlike Bob, I’m not praising loyalist terrorism – It’s Bob’s Irish-american patriotism while at the same time singing the praises of the movement that was and is so virulently anti-American – except when asking for dollars – that is being discussed.
Achille Lauro, Leon Klinghoffer.
I’m not impressed or fooled one bit with your phony civility. You are wrong about me supporting terrorism and can’t show where I have.
Do you really think that you can get away with describing the IRA as an “undefeated army” and then try and say that you don’t support terrorism in foreign countries ? You’re just a child, Bob. My five year old niece could produce a better argument that that.
You know full well what I mean when I say english out of Ireland.
Yes, I think you mean exactly what you say. A tiny number of people in Ireland share your perspective. The majority of people here want to solve our problems carefully and peacefully, with respect shown to all of the traditions who live here. Your point of view is dated and anachronistic. You are entitled to an opinion but I’d prefer that you and people liked you stayed the hell out of our affairs.
And assigning your convenient motives to me is childish and transparent. If anything is profane in this forum it’s your condescending, claptrap attitude.
Yadda yadda. I’ll tell you what Bob, why don’t I go onto an American discussion group and describe Al Quaeda as an undefeated army, and state that I support their objective of getting the USA out of Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the Middle East. How far do you think I’d get ? What kind of reaction do you think I’d have ?
Diluted Orange,
Everyone and their granny knows about Taig/Teague, few know about the League of Teagues. Although more know now than a few years ago as I’ve been providing these free lessons for a few years. Perhaps you were a former pupil?
[i]I’m sure that you’d find it hurtful if someone from the Unionist community were to refer to you by it.[/i]
Not in the slightest. But since you’re sure of what I find offensive, carry on …
COMRADE STALIN
Why do unionists always argue that it’s not wrong to point 10,000 guns at someone, so long as you don’t pull the trigger ? Don’t try to pretend that the UVF and the direct threat of violence embodied in the Covenant had no role in partition.
Surely it depends on the context? In some circumstances, threatening violence can be justified. Unionists would argue that the UVF in 1913-14 was justified as a potential means of defending self-determination, given the imminent threat to it at that time.
willow,if the uvf can threaten to use violence to defend self determination then is it not ok for the ira to do the same. And surely threatening violence can only lead to the use of violence. As long as the context is ok of course.
Who decides when the use of or the threat of violence is ok?
They should just outlaw all faith schools. I see no positive contribution that they make to society and I see a lot of division that they help propagate.