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		<title>By: Philip Cowan</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-107387</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That of course should be journalists (plural).</description>
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		<title>By: Philip Cowan</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-107386</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any of you fine fellows happen to come across the original article, please let me know (philipjcowan@googlemail.com). I teach journalist how to avoid this sort of thing and I need to know what the poor critic said to land her in the soup.

Philip Cowan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any of you fine fellows happen to come across the original article, please let me know (philipjcowan@googlemail.com). I teach journalist how to avoid this sort of thing and I need to know what the poor critic said to land her in the soup.</p>
<p>Philip Cowan</p>
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		<title>By: wc fields</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106354</link>
		<dc:creator>wc fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodfellas is a good idea that in execution is hit or miss. Love the idea of the Italian-Irish connection. But sadly for those who like pizza and pasta, the emphasis is on the Irish half of the connection. It is not awful food; it could be better. It&#039;s not a bad wee place, though.

Gordon Ramsey is also currently very upset about an unflattering review of his newly opened New York restaurant - don&#039;t know if he will sue or not. 

Either way it&#039;s publicity and there will be enough people going to see if &#039;it is really as bad as they say&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodfellas is a good idea that in execution is hit or miss. Love the idea of the Italian-Irish connection. But sadly for those who like pizza and pasta, the emphasis is on the Irish half of the connection. It is not awful food; it could be better. It&#8217;s not a bad wee place, though.</p>
<p>Gordon Ramsey is also currently very upset about an unflattering review of his newly opened New York restaurant &#8211; don&#8217;t know if he will sue or not. </p>
<p>Either way it&#8217;s publicity and there will be enough people going to see if &#8216;it is really as bad as they say&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Road Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shore Road Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no reason why cheap food has to be bad or why working class people have to eat bad food.
There is a subtext to much of the comment here (and in court) that a snobby restaurant critic should have realised Kennedy Way deserves no better. Yet it&#039;s the critic who is apparently the snob. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason why cheap food has to be bad or why working class people have to eat bad food.<br />
There is a subtext to much of the comment here (and in court) that a snobby restaurant critic should have realised Kennedy Way deserves no better. Yet it&#8217;s the critic who is apparently the snob. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: jone</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106311</link>
		<dc:creator>jone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GerryOS,

You&#039;ve pointed to an important factor in restaurant reviews; a professional reviewer/ food writer will be visiting a large number of places and will have an acute awareness of the difference between good, and and indifferent food. They&#039;ll be eating with a critical tounge.

For the patron of a neighbourhood restaurant, say a pizza parlour in a working class area of Belfast, it might be the only place they eat in and anyway the quality of the food may not be their prime motivation for eating there. It&#039;s a bit like your local pub - it may not be the Cafe de Paris but it&#039;s just round the corner, it&#039;s affordable and they know you.

But whereas most local pubs will at least pour a half decent pint of Guinness too many neighbourhood restaurants get away with serving incompetently cooked food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GerryOS,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve pointed to an important factor in restaurant reviews; a professional reviewer/ food writer will be visiting a large number of places and will have an acute awareness of the difference between good, and and indifferent food. They&#8217;ll be eating with a critical tounge.</p>
<p>For the patron of a neighbourhood restaurant, say a pizza parlour in a working class area of Belfast, it might be the only place they eat in and anyway the quality of the food may not be their prime motivation for eating there. It&#8217;s a bit like your local pub &#8211; it may not be the Cafe de Paris but it&#8217;s just round the corner, it&#8217;s affordable and they know you.</p>
<p>But whereas most local pubs will at least pour a half decent pint of Guinness too many neighbourhood restaurants get away with serving incompetently cooked food.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Tustin</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106300</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin Tustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s quite a bit of precedent for this. Most people don&#039;t sue if they really have a reputation to lose, or no reputation at all, as they don&#039;t want the bad publicity to be amplified. However, it sounds like these people do have a reputation, and the patrons like it, so it&#039;s worth their while. 

If you&#039;re going to say bad things about someone or their business, do it carefully, or budget for the occasional court case. I have no sympathy for the newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s quite a bit of precedent for this. Most people don&#8217;t sue if they really have a reputation to lose, or no reputation at all, as they don&#8217;t want the bad publicity to be amplified. However, it sounds like these people do have a reputation, and the patrons like it, so it&#8217;s worth their while. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to say bad things about someone or their business, do it carefully, or budget for the occasional court case. I have no sympathy for the newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: GerryOS</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106289</link>
		<dc:creator>GerryOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes a poor review works out quite well. I know of one restaurant here in Dublin, who got a few lukewarm reviews over the space of a coupe of weeks, and were booked out for weeks on end afterwards. 

I remember a few years ago, a restaurant reviewer in the Irish Times did an unmerciful hatchet job on a small neighbourhood restaurant in Wicklow town. The following week, the owner of the restaurant took out an ad on the restaurant page of the paper, thanking their many regular customers and friends for their kind words and support in light of the recent review.

The same reviewer never wrote another review for the IT. As far as I know, the restaurant is still going strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a poor review works out quite well. I know of one restaurant here in Dublin, who got a few lukewarm reviews over the space of a coupe of weeks, and were booked out for weeks on end afterwards. </p>
<p>I remember a few years ago, a restaurant reviewer in the Irish Times did an unmerciful hatchet job on a small neighbourhood restaurant in Wicklow town. The following week, the owner of the restaurant took out an ad on the restaurant page of the paper, thanking their many regular customers and friends for their kind words and support in light of the recent review.</p>
<p>The same reviewer never wrote another review for the IT. As far as I know, the restaurant is still going strong.</p>
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		<title>By: joeCanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last thing we want is a bland review to go along with bland food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last thing we want is a bland review to go along with bland food.</p>
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		<title>By: Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106260</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a bit of craic, I went to Goodfellas last night for a meal. The shellfish were frozen, not fresh. I know this to be correct, cos someone asked the waitress, who was good enough to check with the kitchen.

Fortunately, I have no real taste, so I was happy enough to be palmed off with a big portion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a bit of craic, I went to Goodfellas last night for a meal. The shellfish were frozen, not fresh. I know this to be correct, cos someone asked the waitress, who was good enough to check with the kitchen.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I have no real taste, so I was happy enough to be palmed off with a big portion.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie - You should submit your CV for the  job... such critical language!! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie &#8211; You should submit your CV for the  job&#8230; such critical language!! <img src='http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106229</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not referring to Goodfellows now, but...
Surely there&#039;s a way to avoid such libel actions. You can say that you were absolutely delighted by the quaint service, entranced by the long meditative periods between courses, much taken by the colourful language of the staff, attracted to the whimsical verbiage of the owner...that sort of thing...&quot;an experience never, ever to be forgotten&quot; etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not referring to Goodfellows now, but&#8230;<br />
Surely there&#8217;s a way to avoid such libel actions. You can say that you were absolutely delighted by the quaint service, entranced by the long meditative periods between courses, much taken by the colourful language of the staff, attracted to the whimsical verbiage of the owner&#8230;that sort of thing&#8230;&#8221;an experience never, ever to be forgotten&#8221; etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: Oilibhear Chromaill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oilibhear Chromaill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What that pizza cost the Irish News is anybody&#039;s guess - upwards of Â£500,000.    And now they want to go to the House of Lords....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What that pizza cost the Irish News is anybody&#8217;s guess &#8211; upwards of Â£500,000.    And now they want to go to the House of Lords&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jone</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106189</link>
		<dc:creator>jone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GavBelfast

Libel is the only type of civil case held before a jury but there is a growing trend of judges sitting alone, eg Irving vs Lipstadt was heard by Gray J sitting on his own.

This follows a change in the Defamation Act in 1996 which allowed judges to go without a jury if the case involved large amounts of scientific or documentary evidence. Lord Bingham also seemed to give tacit encouragement to follow this path as some of his judgements implied that libel juries are a bloody menace.

Some libel lawyers - mainly those acting for claimants think it&#039;s used too often. They reckon the unpredictability of the jury has a bigger upside for them - as this Irish News case demonstrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GavBelfast</p>
<p>Libel is the only type of civil case held before a jury but there is a growing trend of judges sitting alone, eg Irving vs Lipstadt was heard by Gray J sitting on his own.</p>
<p>This follows a change in the Defamation Act in 1996 which allowed judges to go without a jury if the case involved large amounts of scientific or documentary evidence. Lord Bingham also seemed to give tacit encouragement to follow this path as some of his judgements implied that libel juries are a bloody menace.</p>
<p>Some libel lawyers &#8211; mainly those acting for claimants think it&#8217;s used too often. They reckon the unpredictability of the jury has a bigger upside for them &#8211; as this Irish News case demonstrates.</p>
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		<title>By: Barf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair play to the Irish News for having the balls to run rigorous restaurant reviews; far too many local/regional papers run utterly banal, timid restaurant reviews in which every tatty country carvery is â€˜superbâ€™.

Exactly......

Local journos are pish poor never a critical word written. e.g. car bloke in bel. tel. whose strategy seems to be rehash PR platitudes for each new model - never once does he of sub-editor / byeline writter say ...ehh this car is shite don&#039;t waste your cash.

Same goes with eating out - lazy hacks taking papers money for a meal out for them and their squeeze.

The Goodfella verdict is bollox - so much for the 12 good men and true aphorism - 12 punters who eat out in crap diners and wouldn&#039;t know decent fresh prepared food if it was sitting in front of them. That is more travisty and reflection on society that infringement of press freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair play to the Irish News for having the balls to run rigorous restaurant reviews; far too many local/regional papers run utterly banal, timid restaurant reviews in which every tatty country carvery is â€˜superbâ€™.</p>
<p>Exactly&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Local journos are pish poor never a critical word written. e.g. car bloke in bel. tel. whose strategy seems to be rehash PR platitudes for each new model &#8211; never once does he of sub-editor / byeline writter say &#8230;ehh this car is shite don&#8217;t waste your cash.</p>
<p>Same goes with eating out &#8211; lazy hacks taking papers money for a meal out for them and their squeeze.</p>
<p>The Goodfella verdict is bollox &#8211; so much for the 12 good men and true aphorism &#8211; 12 punters who eat out in crap diners and wouldn&#8217;t know decent fresh prepared food if it was sitting in front of them. That is more travisty and reflection on society that infringement of press freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: moochin photoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>moochin photoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets just say that the contribution from Curleys had kicked in by that stage!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets just say that the contribution from Curleys had kicked in by that stage!!!</p>
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		<title>By: pepporoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>pepporoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El mat

Is it true that the SDLP in West Belfast hold membership meetings there on a regular basis.

&quot;Table for six sir&quot;</description>
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<p>Is it true that the SDLP in West Belfast hold membership meetings there on a regular basis.</p>
<p>&#8220;Table for six sir&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: El Matador</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Matador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MP-

Maybe you should have taken some snaps of what was on offer and proffered them to the Irish News to support their defence case ;)</description>
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<p>Maybe you should have taken some snaps of what was on offer and proffered them to the Irish News to support their defence case <img src='http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Donnacha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willis, whether it was true or not is a pretty grey area when it comes to a review. It&#039;s all on the reviewer&#039;s perception and it&#039;s a subjective thing not a clear cut case of yes or no. If the court of appeal doesn&#039;t overturn this, it will be disgraceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis, whether it was true or not is a pretty grey area when it comes to a review. It&#8217;s all on the reviewer&#8217;s perception and it&#8217;s a subjective thing not a clear cut case of yes or no. If the court of appeal doesn&#8217;t overturn this, it will be disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: GavBelfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>GavBelfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will, surely, be overturned on appeal?

Diplock Courts for defamation hearings anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will, surely, be overturned on appeal?</p>
<p>Diplock Courts for defamation hearings anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: moochin photoman</title>
		<link>http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/02/08/the-end-of-restaurant-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-106163</link>
		<dc:creator>moochin photoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having eaten in the establishment.....its nothing to write home about let alone a restaurant review!!!
Its BYO so the trip to curleys is a necessity (to wash the food down perhaps in a complementary manner of course)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having eaten in the establishment&#8230;..its nothing to write home about let alone a restaurant review!!!<br />
Its BYO so the trip to curleys is a necessity (to wash the food down perhaps in a complementary manner of course)</p>
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