Comments on: Has-been loyalists’ quest for notoriety ensures their ridicule… http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/ Conversation, politics and stray insights Sun, 27 May 2012 00:18:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Cormac http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87740 Cormac Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:03:54 +0000 #comment-87740 Plum Duff: I wasn't having a go at you - just expressing my shock that JA could have gone through letting his kid get shot... surely if he had really wanted to he could have done a runner. But I guess his personal fiefdom is more important than his kid. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he was making that request... "see son, just a little pinch - will all be over in a jiffy. You might want to cover your ears, though. Oh, and lay off the footie for a while." Plum Duff:

I wasn’t having a go at you – just expressing my shock that JA could have gone through letting his kid get shot… surely if he had really wanted to he could have done a runner. But I guess his personal fiefdom is more important than his kid.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he was making that request…

“see son, just a little pinch – will all be over in a jiffy. You might want to cover your ears, though. Oh, and lay off the footie for a while.”

]]> By: Penelope http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87677 Penelope Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:13:48 +0000 #comment-87677 read Stone's letter in the Telegraph... sounds to me he was gunning for "suicide by cop"... sorry... couldn't help myself ;-) too bad he didn't get his wish... but better to die a thousand humiliations in prison over the fact he was bopped over the head w/ his own fake gun taken away by an unarmed woman ex-RUC!!! read Stone’s letter in the Telegraph… sounds to me he was gunning for “suicide by cop”… sorry… couldn’t help myself ;-)

too bad he didn’t get his wish… but better to die a thousand humiliations in prison over the fact he was bopped over the head w/ his own fake gun taken away by an unarmed woman ex-RUC!!!

]]> By: Plum Duff http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87643 Plum Duff Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:19:12 +0000 #comment-87643 Cormac, with respect, I'm not sure if you got the full import behind my posting. The Pup's getting shot in the calves of his legs was the best option he (and his Da) were offered. Refuse and he was getting kneecapped, at the *VERY* least. As it happened, Pup agreed to take the easiest course so Mad Dog was allowed to retain control of his Neanderthals in C Coy. Blood thicker than personal fiefdom?? Me oul' arse, as my granda used to say. Cormac, with respect, I’m not sure if you got the full import behind my posting. The Pup’s getting shot in the calves of his legs was the best option he (and his Da) were offered. Refuse and he was getting kneecapped, at the *VERY* least. As it happened, Pup agreed to take the easiest course so Mad Dog was allowed to retain control of his Neanderthals in C Coy. Blood thicker than personal fiefdom?? Me oul’ arse, as my granda used to say.

]]> By: Wilde Rover http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87609 Wilde Rover Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:38:01 +0000 #comment-87609 Pathetic figures stripped of their power and influence, shunned by their erstwhile fellow travelers in Unionism. Pathetic figures stripped of their power and influence, shunned by their erstwhile fellow travelers in Unionism.

]]> By: Cormac http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87603 Cormac Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:54:19 +0000 #comment-87603 " The word on the street at the time was that if he didn’t accede to his son getting (lightly) shot in the legs, ie, no bones would be hit, he (Mad Pup) would be shot in the head. " 'Lightly' - ah well, that's ok then... If it was my son being 'lightly' threatened I would have had the whole family out of there and on the first boat! But maybe that's just me overreacting. ”
The word on the street at the time was that if he didn’t accede to his son getting (lightly) shot in the legs, ie, no bones would be hit, he (Mad Pup) would be shot in the head.
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‘Lightly’ – ah well, that’s ok then…

If it was my son being ‘lightly’ threatened I would have had the whole family out of there and on the first boat!

But maybe that’s just me overreacting.

]]> By: mickyfin http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87553 mickyfin Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:39:14 +0000 #comment-87553 micky carrol is the new brigadier of norfolk,i wonder how much he paid for his new title,as for the german guy,he knows how to make( bobby) traps,big storey better watch out,you cant knock johnny for his sense of loyality to rebel and shane, three grand for their safe return from the u d a dog pound. micky carrol is the new brigadier of norfolk,i wonder how much he paid for his new title,as for the german guy,he knows how to make( bobby) traps,big storey better watch out,you cant knock johnny for his sense of loyality to rebel and shane, three grand for their safe return from the u d a dog pound.

]]> By: G Macken http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87551 G Macken Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:34:14 +0000 #comment-87551 What I noticed when watching the programme was the part when Adair arrived back in Belfast and the police stopped the car he was travelling in. When he reliased the police were aware he was back, he expressed his concearns about them passing on intelligence of his whereabouts to opposing Loyalists. We all know how British army intelligence and the RUC/PSNI collaborated with loyalist gangs on many operations over the course of the war, many in which innocent Catholics were murdered. Adair knows this only too well as no doubt the many murders carried out by him and his cronnies were planned with intelligence provided by state institutions. But now - the hunter becomes the hunted! What I noticed when watching the programme was the part when Adair arrived back in Belfast and the police stopped the car he was travelling in. When he reliased the police were aware he was back, he expressed his concearns about them passing on intelligence of his whereabouts to opposing Loyalists.

We all know how British army intelligence and the RUC/PSNI collaborated with loyalist gangs on many operations over the course of the war, many in which innocent Catholics were murdered.

Adair knows this only too well as no doubt the many murders carried out by him and his cronnies were planned with intelligence provided by state institutions.

But now – the hunter becomes the hunted!

]]> By: Maitiú Ó Garmaile http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87539 Maitiú Ó Garmaile Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:56:29 +0000 #comment-87539 I thought he seemed lovely, very approachable. His parenting skills are modern and effective. He should include more healthy tips in his book on how to turn us all into civilised young people. Michael Carroll, the chav king, is obviously interested in other cultures. Just why he chose loyalism is a mystery. I thought he seemed lovely, very approachable. His parenting skills are modern and effective. He should include more healthy tips in his book on how to turn us all into civilised young people. Michael Carroll, the chav king, is obviously interested in other cultures. Just why he chose loyalism is a mystery.

]]> By: Munsterman http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87538 Munsterman Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:52:14 +0000 #comment-87538 Percival : "Real unionists do not believe in the use of violence." Were James Craig and Bonar Law "real Unionists" ? Percival :

“Real unionists do not believe in the use of violence.”

Were James Craig and Bonar Law “real Unionists” ?

]]> By: ma http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87537 ma Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:24 +0000 #comment-87537 The sad part was that johnny thought he was being a good parent by having his son shot. that was really sad. but the rest of the programme was hilarious. the german national front guy threatening to go to belfast and the poor woman with her shrine to johnny. How could anybody keep a straigt face? It sent me off to bed laughing. The sad part was that johnny thought he was being a good parent by having his son shot. that was really sad. but the rest of the programme was hilarious. the german national front guy threatening to go to belfast and the poor woman with her shrine to johnny. How could anybody keep a straigt face? It sent me off to bed laughing.

]]> By: Percival http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87535 Percival Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:40:28 +0000 #comment-87535 Ian Yes they are. Real unionists do not believe in the use of violence. Ian

Yes they are. Real unionists do not believe in the use of violence.

]]> By: Green Ink http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87533 Green Ink Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:27:26 +0000 #comment-87533 <a href="http://greeninkpen.blogspot.com/2006/11/stormont-cabaret.html">A vicious cabaret...</a> A vicious cabaret…

]]> By: Ian http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87532 Ian Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:19:18 +0000 #comment-87532 "Jonny Adair is not a Unionist - he is a murderous low-life who should spend the rest of his miserable existence behind bars." The two are not mutually exclusive! “Jonny Adair is not a Unionist – he is a murderous low-life who should spend the rest of his miserable existence behind bars.”

The two are not mutually exclusive!

]]> By: Percival http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87527 Percival Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:05:02 +0000 #comment-87527 circles Hi-jacking the discussion was not my intention. I merely took exception to the clear aspertion made by aquifer in his earlier comment. Jonny Adair is not a Unionist - he is a murderous low-life who should spend the rest of his miserable existence behind bars. circles

Hi-jacking the discussion was not my intention. I merely took exception to the clear aspertion made by aquifer in his earlier comment. Jonny Adair is not a Unionist – he is a murderous low-life who should spend the rest of his miserable existence behind bars.

]]> By: Plum Duff http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87522 Plum Duff Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:45:28 +0000 #comment-87522 Ballygowan '1. Adair ordered his own son to be shot' Adair, for once, used his brain (sic!) in that instance. The word on the street at the time was that if he didn't accede to his son getting (lightly) shot in the legs, ie, no bones would be hit, he (Mad Pup) would be shot in the head. It turned out that the Pup was beating up 'wee Fenians' who were going up to one of the well known UDA-run drug 'retail' outlets around Carlisle Circus for their ten pound deals. And you can't beat up the cash customers, for God's sake, they may not come backl! Ballygowan

’1. Adair ordered his own son to be shot’

Adair, for once, used his brain (sic!) in that instance. The word on the street at the time was that if he didn’t accede to his son getting (lightly) shot in the legs, ie, no bones would be hit, he (Mad Pup) would be shot in the head. It turned out that the Pup was beating up ‘wee Fenians’ who were going up to one of the well known UDA-run drug ‘retail’ outlets around Carlisle Circus for their ten pound deals.

And you can’t beat up the cash customers, for God’s sake, they may not come backl!

]]> By: circles http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87517 circles Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:01:15 +0000 #comment-87517 Percival - I think you've entirely missed the point of this thread - unless of course you intentionally wanted to hijack this discussion of the potrait of a deranged, allegedly loyalist, psychopath to try and score some stupid political point (which can be applied to every government around the planet). Unfortunately the portrait of Adair also says an awful lot about what by some is called "working class loyalism" - self-obsessed, cruel and void of any political thought. Percival – I think you’ve entirely missed the point of this thread – unless of course you intentionally wanted to hijack this discussion of the potrait of a deranged, allegedly loyalist, psychopath to try and score some stupid political point (which can be applied to every government around the planet).
Unfortunately the portrait of Adair also says an awful lot about what by some is called “working class loyalism” – self-obsessed, cruel and void of any political thought.

]]> By: Percival http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87512 Percival Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:46:59 +0000 #comment-87512 aquifer If propesnity to use violence is indicitive of a weak argument, hoe weak has Sinn Fein been for forty years? aquifer

If propesnity to use violence is indicitive of a weak argument, hoe weak has Sinn Fein been for forty years?

]]> By: Ballygowan http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87509 Ballygowan Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:25:33 +0000 #comment-87509 As regards whether the programme glamourised Adair or not, I think it made him look at best pathetic and at worst seriously disturbed. Some of the facts that came out 1. Adair ordered his own son to be shot 2. The only time he dared walk around the Shankill was at dawn 3. He called the guy who held his dogs evil and slagged him for being a convicted drug dealer (coz clearly being a convicted drug dealer is much worse than being a convicted murderer) 4. His party lifestyle 5. His vanity 6. His conviction for beating up his wife 7. His weird, weirdo neo nazi friends in Germany I don't think anyone could have watched that and thought Adair was anything other than an idiot. As regards whether the programme glamourised Adair or not, I think it made him look at best pathetic and at worst seriously disturbed. Some of the facts that came out

1. Adair ordered his own son to be shot
2. The only time he dared walk around the Shankill was at dawn
3. He called the guy who held his dogs evil and slagged him for being a convicted drug dealer (coz clearly being a convicted drug dealer is much worse than being a convicted murderer)
4. His party lifestyle
5. His vanity
6. His conviction for beating up his wife
7. His weird, weirdo neo nazi friends in Germany

I don’t think anyone could have watched that and thought Adair was anything other than an idiot.

]]> By: NIRSucks http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87504 NIRSucks Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:50:11 +0000 #comment-87504 Hi Lisburnroad, I'd like to introduce you to the full stop ---> . Hi Lisburnroad, I’d like to introduce you to the full stop —> .

]]> By: Billy Reid http://sluggerotoole.com/2006/11/29/loyalists-quests-for-notoriety-ensures-their-ridicule/comment-page-1/#comment-87503 Billy Reid Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:40:47 +0000 #comment-87503 Laugh away at this mass murder who was a puppet of the publicity shy Gordon Kerr and others. Sure, dead Catholics are awful funny altogether. How many mass murderers were used on both sides? Who ran the death squads and why not give them some publicity? What calculus was going through the mind of Gerry Adams when Bobby Sands went to meet his maker (or the devil?) Slab Murphy had a genuine complaint and the men of South Armagh gave the Occupation forces a good run for the money so leave him out of it. Adams crawled to power on another man's wound. But it was never any different. Laugh away at this mass murder who was a puppet of the publicity shy Gordon Kerr and others. Sure, dead Catholics are awful funny altogether. How many mass murderers were used on both sides? Who ran the death squads and why not give them some publicity? What calculus was going through the mind of Gerry Adams when Bobby Sands went to meet his maker (or the devil?)
Slab Murphy had a genuine complaint and the men of South Armagh gave the Occupation forces a good run for the money so leave him out of it. Adams crawled to power on another man’s wound. But it was never any different.

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