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Defining Success – Sinn Fein Style

Fri 30 June 2006, 2:16pm

Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor, Michael McIvor, has been boasting about the murderous capacity of the PIRA. Apparently the fact that the CIRA and RIRA have failed to match their death toll of soldiers and police officers means they are “Brit-loving”.

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Comments (33)

  1. slug says:

    I want to see this Brit loving spread.

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  2. TAFKABO says:

    Utterly disgraceful and irresponsible comments.Now that he has laid down the gauntlet, will he accept a measure of responsibility if they insist on trying to prove their Brit killing bona fides?

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  3. Rory says:

    Oh Gawd! You can just hear the collective groan from the SF leadership and publicity machine. While we can discern the point he is trying to make it was a rather unfortunate comparison to draw nevertheless not to mention throwing out a challenge to the really, truly, madly, deeply IRA geezers to prove their credentials with a bit of concentrated Brit-whacking.

    A sure-fire formula for building the peace process no less.

    I think he may be recalled for intensive retraining at the SF public speakers’ finishing school.

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  4. seabhac siulach says:

    Sounds like an attempt to limit the attractiveness of the RIRA/CIRA to some (the youth) in the area…
    McIvor is obviously worried (rattled) about the growth of these groups in his area and is doing his bit to limit this…anyhoo that’s what it sounds like to me…

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  5. Yokel says:

    Seabhac

    It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?

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  6. seabhac siulach says:

    Yokel:

    “It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?”

    Which party would that be?

    Talking of ‘Brit-loving’ is an obvious attempt to boost the provos at the expense of the others…you must take into account the (perhaps) intended audience of these remarks, that is, radical youngsters who are tempted to drift into more hardline company…

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  7. Christopher Stalford says:

    seabhac

    But I thought the Provo’s were winding down? No? My mistake.

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  8. Taigs says:

    The Blanket made the same point a long long time ago. Ah, what the hell. Oraniges don’t want peace. Just like Israel.

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  9. TAFKABO says:

    So, we have two groups of Republicans in an argument over who klled the most brits, and within 8 posts it’s the Orangies fault for not wanting peace?

    I don’t know why I bother coming here, this is fucking bollox, the same old shit every thread.

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  10. Bemused says:

    Utterly outrageous comments. If the Shinners had any balls they’d drop-kick this little bog man out.

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  11. Nevin says:

    [i]“They have no support on the ground. If they are so strong, how come there is no dead enemies?” he said.

    “Commentators love to come on the news and run down Sinn Féin and the movement.

    “The IRA always wanted peace. That’s why I supported the movement.”[/i]

    From ‘war’ to ‘peace’ – in a few sentences. What a plonker!!

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  12. seabhac siulach says:

    Christopher Stalford:

    “But I thought the Provo’s were winding down? No? My mistake.”

    Winding down? They have wound up!
    Weapons destroyed and all…

    I believe that McIvor is trying to say, in a clumsy way, that based on their history the Provo movement is actually the more serious/effective of the three groupings (CIRA,RIRA,Provos), and that their way of negotiated settlement (the peace process) is therefore the most likely, in the long run, to achieve their objectives…

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  13. spice girl says:

    oh dear the truth has popped it’s ugly head out again! what a blunder, quite comical really, SF try to put up this all inclusive peace loving mask, but a mask is all it is, every now and again the mask drops, and the real SF is upon us eg, guarda mcqade, northern bank, DD, mccartney etc etc etc they have changed…. really!!!

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  14. Occasional Commentator says:

    The attempts by Thatcher and so on to criminalize republicans are nothing compared to SF’s attempts to criminalize republicans.

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  15. Carson's Cat says:

    Grateful as I may be for the Connolly House explanatory note being added here (several times) by seabhah siulach I think we can all see straight to the repulsive nature of the comments.

    Cllr McIvor clearly revels in the death of soldiers and policemen.

    But then, its just the “orangies” (sic) who don’t want peace.

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  16. all out says:

    “The Blanket made the same point a long long time ago. Ah, what the hell. Oraniges don’t want peace. Just like Israel.”

    Oh Taigs…unlike Israel the ‘oranigies’ have won AND got peace on almost exclusively their terms! Partition internationally recognised and endorsed in island wide referenda. No evidence that demographics will change that in anyone’s lifetime. RUC barely changed. SF leader nominating Ian Paisley to be First Minister in Stormont, administering British rule in the United Kingdom. All the guns decommissioned. MI5 setting up a massive HQ in North Down?! Senior Provos facilitating Orange parades through nationalist areas. How much more evidence do you need that the Provos were beaten?! No wonder you’re so sore!

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  17. seabhac siulach says:

    “Cllr McIvor clearly revels in the death of soldiers and policemen.

    But then, its just the “orangies” (sic) who don’t want peace. ”

    Does it matter what he says, no matter how distasteful, about things long in the past…surely all that matters that there is peace at the moment and this is likely to continue…nothing he said contradicts this…
    Is it a surprise that some might have supported the Provo IRA’s actions in the past and that these are now in Sinn Fein? Is this a big surprise to everyone? Is so, amazingly sheltered lives ye must lead…
    BTW I do not speak for Connolly House, merely in a personal capacity (as they say)

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  18. seabhac siulach,

    The point is he is boasting that ‘they’ killed more people than ‘them’.

    Btw I would just stop now, even Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party…

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  19. Chris Gaskin says:

    even Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party…

    Why would that be the case FYU?

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  20. mickhall says:

    Seabhac

    It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?
    Posted by Yokel

    Yokel
    No of course not, they have to be vetted by the British security services first.

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  21. Chris Gaskin says:

    No of course not, they have to be vetted by the British security services first.

    A ridicilious comment, not up to your usual standard Mickhall

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  22. Nathan says:

    You may wish to term Mr McIvor as a “Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor”, but he lacks a mandate so his comments ought not to be taken too seriously.

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  23. Why would that be the case FYU?

    So you agree with his comments?

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  24. Chris Gaskin says:

    So you agree with his comments?

    Did I say that?

    I just wondered why you would think that even Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party

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  25. Stephen Copeland says:

    Nathan,

    You may wish to term Mr McIvor as a “Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor”, but he lacks a mandate so his comments ought not to be taken too seriously.

    His mandate is legally equal to all of the others, whether or not a vote was needed. He is ‘termed’ a councillor because he is one.

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  26. mickhall says:

    Chris,

    It was meant to be flippant and funny, if Republicans cannot laugh at themselves who can we laugh at, we have surly not reached the stage where we have become so brittle and fearful of the truth, we cannot have a chuckle at our own expense without first testing if what we say is politically correct or on message. Such behavior would be in line with a mentality of whataboutary and victimhood, which is a position republicans have never willingly occupied I hope you would agree.

    All the best.

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  27. lib2016 says:

    Among all the large (and increasing) number of Sinn Fein representatives in high and low positions one makes an undiplomatic remark – Gosh! he’d better not come on Slugger. ;-)

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  28. all out says:

    Aw, wee Taigs. Your silence is clear victory for my bleedin’ obvious statement. You lost. Any SF in NI voter is as British as any Tory voter in Finchley.
    And always will be! What do you think the Provos got?! Beaten. Traitors. A squalid sectarian turf war and all the dead for what?!
    Ah well, at least they keep parroting the rhetoric to fuel the fires of your pathetic, parochial sectarianism. Another nasty little ceasefire solider.

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  29. GavBelfast says:

    Are loons like this ready for an Ireland of Equals?

    Where would they fit in?

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  30. Hidden Gem says:

    “…how come there is no dead enemies?”

    Are there any good schools in Cookstown for Councillor McIvor?

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  31. John East Belfast says:

    A statement like this highlights the difference between the unionist and nationalist communities in NI towards the last 30 years’ acts of violence to achieve political objectives.

    The UUP has an alliance with the PUP and there is considerable and genuine anguish about it within the unionist family.

    I am not surprised by McIvor saying this because this is what every SF member believe – even if it is not popoular to voice it.

    What surprises me is that 150,000 plus nationalists in NI continue to believe that such an awful organisation is capable of representing them in a 21st Century democracy.

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  32. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    Councilor McIvor is still making the exact same comments 7 years later across the world wide web, where he seems to spend more time than he does working for his constituents.

    Maybe in a way they are lucky.

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  33. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    This is a cracker he posted on another forum today…

    Posted Today, 05:58 PM

    “The british government who are to scared to fight Sinn Fein politically in a election-any other big yarns-”

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