“We can’t let Sinn Fein indoctrinate young Nationalists with hate”
UUP Larne Borough Councillor Mark Dunn had an platform piece published in today’s Newsletter in which he challanges the percievied ideological supremacy the Republican movement purveys over the hunger strikes.
Unionism should be willing not only support and represent the innocent victims of the troubles, but also challenge the majority voice of nationalism’s tailored story glorifying a sustained sectarian murder campaign to a relatively unscarred generation of young people.One truth that escapes Sinn Fein Youth’s story to young nationalists is that the prisoners who went on hunger strike were not in prison due to their belief in a united Ireland, or even obtaining one through force. They were sentenced for crimes including murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, bombing, hijacking and membership of nationalist murder gangs.
He also expresses concern at the percievied motivation of nationalists voting Sinn fein to many unionists.
The problem is, that it is not an unreasonable conclusion for law abiding people to draw from this campaign, that a vote for Sinn Fein is a vote for retrospectively legitimising murder.
Dread,
I did’t realise that I had to make it clear that Mugabe had a share of the blame/credit in all this. All I posted was a remark that the colonial authorities and their broken promises were also a factor in what’s going on. I still think that’s true.
The colonial authorities abdicated their responsibilities in Zimbabwe, allegedly because they couldn’t trust their own security forces. It’s surprising how much the history of Zimbabwe and our own history in Northern Ireland have in common.
No wonder unionists are panicking here even though the situation in Ireland also has huge differences, including land reform and a long established democracy in most of the island.
It’s even been rumoured that the British defence establishment have been brought under political control. We’ll soon see whether that last point is just wishful thinking.
Mugabe hailed from Yorkshire.
Read his name backwards – “e ba gum”
fartrick
You are one sick individual and I hope that you get the help that you so obviously need.
As Joe so wisely advised earlier on this thread, “Please don’t feed trolls…”
They’ll just come back for more.
Conor
I suspect that fartrick is a troll but I still think that anyone who makes comments like that either because he means it or because he seeks to show nationalists in a bad light, is in need of help.
Conor, Bertie
Would he not be in need of a moderator? Are comments like those not just ugly, inciteful and injustified? I cant even continue to talk to it, as I find it really distressful that a human being can de humanise people in such a way.
Fartrick, regardless of his bona fides, is as demonstration of the true nature of lesser spotted nationalist bigotry in todays Northern Ireland.
Missfitz
It is indeed distressing to read this muck. I hope that the comments will be removed and I also hope that this happens before any of the survivers or those bereaved by the La Mon bomb see it.
He is not just in need of a moderator. I would also suggest a psychiatrist and/or a man/woman of the cloth and if anyone has a spare slot in their prayers tonight to remember him.
Bertie
Thanks for that. I dont know if you saw it, but I interviewed a survivor from La Mon once, and it left me in a terrible state. All these years later, and she has not recovered
She went to a dog award ceremony,. Actually, I wrote some of the stuff she told me, but I think its too revulsive to repeat. Suffice to say, she is now a shut in. She doesnt leave her house, she is on medicaiton amd wakes every night with nightmares. As she was crawling out of La Mon, she found her sister, she knew if by the ring on her finger. As she tugged to bring her sister with her, only the hand came, there was nothing else left.
I have just finished an amazing article by Paul Bew in History Ireland, that struck a chord in me. In the end, the Republican rhetoric will sound hollow when we all fully realise the depth of destruction and dehumanisation that was released
missfitz
The legacy of terrorism, (republican and “loyalist”) is both wide and deep and not understood. I suspect that in interviewing her you have given her feeling some validation and that may help her to gain a little mastery of them and, who knows, be the start of a process of readjustment for her. It’s easy to say but even if she shared her burden with you, don’t feel that you have to carry it with you. As I say you have probably helped her. At the very least you have demonstrated to her that what she has been through matters. If this starts to haunt you in the wee small hours try to focus on that notion.
Patrick Bateman,
“Fartrick, regardless of his bona fides, is as demonstration of the true nature of lesser spotted nationalist bigotry in todays Northern Ireland.”
Umm, I don’t think this guys a representation of much of anything. His opinions (if genuine) represent a fringe viewpoint and stem from either a troll or from the most disgraceful minority of the nationalist community. To take such perverse statements as “if there happens to be another La Mon type bomb then I will be happy” and “Some of the people there were burned like sausages” and to present them as a “demonstration of nationalist bigotry in todays Northern Ireland” is not only absurd, but frankly, a bit offensive.
fartrick
Lets suppose for am moment you are for real. why do you suppose that Missfitz concern is dependant on the wman’s class, gender or religon but on the basis of common humanity of putting herself in the woman’s shoes.
It is very hard for most of us to put ourselves in the shoes of someone who can talk of the deaths of people in that atrocity in the terms that you have.
If you have been mistreated by prison officers and I have no way of knowing whether you have or not, I would not condone that. If a commentator came on here saying that he was a prison officer and glorifing violence against prisoners I would be taking him to task. However it is not them that is on here driping with hatred. I am deadly serious about you seeking help. For your own sake as well as everyone else’s.
I am surprised this guy has gotten away with this for so long and has not been banned out right.
and to present them as a “demonstration of nationalist bigotry in todays Northern Ireland” is not only absurd, but frankly, a bit offensive.
Christ, it never stops.
Fartrick comes out with his posts and all some people can do is cry that the poor nationalist community is being associated with him.
It’s always about you guys, isn’t it.
To be fair TAFKABO
if his orange mirror image had been on here gloating about Greysteel and someone pointed to it as a demonstration of unionist bigotry in today’s NI, I’d be wading in myself
uhh, if your read the thread title you’ll see that the subject of this thread concerns the indoctrination of young nationalists with hate so, ya, in this instance, it is about us. And by the way, my post wasn’t a direct response to Fartricks anyway. It was a response to Patrick Bateman’s interpretation of Fartrick’s viewpoints.
But the Greysteel massacre, and any celebration of it, is an indication of the sickness from within the Unionist community.
Watch….
I’m a unionist, the community I belong to has some sick bastards in it’s midst, this is a problem we need to deal with.
See, I said it, the sky didn’t fall.
‘I’m a unionist, the community I belong to has some sick bastards in it’s midst, this is a problem we need to deal with.’
Is Dunn’s point not that there are ‘sick bastards’ in both communities. It is just that the biggest nationalist party chooses to laud these sickos as heroes and pimp the associated values to a new generation? Something which mainstream unionism does not do…
TAFKABO
I’m sure something just landed on me
Suzanne Breen had a good article about ex-prisoners in the Sunday Tribune this week (with her obligatory digs at SF of course). There are hundreds of them walking around with PSTD and getting no treatment whatsoever. Those who suffered worse (apart from the hunger strikers) were on the blanket and no wash protests from 1976 onwards.
I know people will point out that there are prison warders who were killed or maimed by the IRA and they will be right of course but nevertheless we should not ignore the plight of ex-prisoners.
I believe fartrick and I feel sorry for him even though his moral compass is clearly broken due in part to his experiences inside. It is never too late to seek help.
I find it a bit rich to have a unionist acuse Sinn Fein of ‘indoctrinating young nationalists with hate’ seeing as ‘hate’ is what unionism and indeed the wider protestant community in the north of Eireann live on.
I vote Sinn Fein and I certainly don’t have any hatred for anyone. What I do have is an honest love of my native country on which my ancestors have lived for thousands of years, as well as my culture. The catholics in the north responded as any people would respond to being bullied and bossed about in their own country by a people/foreign government who sought to destroy their identity and rob them of their right to independance.
If you want an example of ‘hate’, look at the attitude of unionists to anything remotely catholic or Irish. Protestants are force-fed a diet of anti-Irish bigotry and propoganda from no age whereas catholic let their young people develop their own viewpoints and teach respect for your fellow persons.
SF has got an awful lot less to answer for than the British government who were hand-in-glove with unionist paramilitaries during the troubles and still continue with their cheating, lying and syping.
I just hope that political partys and community actors can help people like fartrick reconcile their experiences, and help young people learn the destructive lessons that we do not want to see repeated.
‘SF has got an awful lot less to answer for than the British government who were hand-in-glove with unionist paramilitaries during the troubles and still continue with their cheating, lying and syping.’
You mean the British Government and the British Irish defending the rule of law have more to answer for than civilians who in the dead of night donned balaclavas and went on missions to exterminate their fellow citizens?
To my knowledge unionists condemn all murder. Unionists communities do not unite and call for the release of Johnny Adair, or celebrate Lenny Murphy as a dead patriot or hold street parties for Michael Stone’s 3:0
A loyalist murderer and an IRA murder are just that murderers. But one community legitimises and holds their murderers up as heroes and role models………..
With Community Relations Week coming up it will be interesting to see how Sinn Fein support it and whether they are sincere considering the effort they put into other campaigns.
“I find it a bit rich to have a unionist acuse Sinn Fein of ‘indoctrinating young nationalists with hate’ SEEING AS ‘HATE’ IS WHAT UNIONISM AND INDEED THE WIDER PROTESTANT COMMUNITY IN THE NORTH OF EIREANN LIVE ON.
I vote Sinn Fein and I certainly don’t have any hatred for anyone……”
Indeed I feel the love from here.