Black and Tan only meant one thing to me, until I moved to Liverpool, where it was a weird mix of mild and bitter, or bitter and Guinness. Popular amongst oul lads I thought it was deservedly on the wain and on the way to extinction. But in America, Ben and Jerry’s (the worlds most ethical ice cream) clearly believed it would be a winning new flavour. Apparently not. El Blogador leads the Nationalist Independent, and the Telegraph‘s coverage.
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Oh, dear. Not again.
Once more, one side of the sectarian divide is up in arms over the insert meaningless issue, unknown to anyone with a life outside Slugger and sectarian Norn Iron politics, here that they insist will lead to blah, blah, yawn. They condemn the other side for breathing and being on the other side, and refer to them as bigots if they are Protestant, Republican sympathisers if they are Catholic.
Anyone with any sense will ignore this storm in a teacup.
Magic Andy
I read TAFKABO’s “WDW” factor to refer to the absence of real people and/or organisations offended by the allegedly offending ice cream, not a denial of the historical Black and Tans.
In any case, I see at the official Provo, Utah website that all Miss Provo Scholarship entry forms are due by June 2.
http://www.provo.org/displayarticle36.html
Well spotted Susan, thats class
The WDW comment was shorthand for wee dafty weans another non story that gained enough momentum to continue, even after it had been debunked.
I think I’m either too subtle for Slugger, or Sluggers way too subtle for me.
I thought you explained that already, on page 2?
The search for WDW continues.
I hadnt read the Independent article til just now. Wow, I thought I was bad for juxtaposing historical titbits in stories, thon takes the biscuit.
I wonder what is the motivation for such an in-depth story about a chapter of history we hear so little about. I have found in Queens that the Tans are rarely mentioned, and there seems to be a bit of air brushing going on there.
Susan.
Yeah, I thought I had explained it as well…..
a weakness of blogs…. sources not credited…plagarists/cut and paste merchants credited……where did the story come from…..
http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=11403
and in English
http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=11449&highlight=black
..with a bloody sundae mock up on page 2…
and Lá (where it all started)
http://www.nuacht.com/story/?cat_id=1&newsid=9906
…irish blogs…letting them away with it..
“Ah, but *those* are *DUTCH* Shells, thereby making them relatively pacifist / inert…”
perhaps, but that does make them decidedly orange in national colour. and the inspiration behind the colouring of certain people up north in particular? is this a freakish conspiracy, or a freakish coinkidink?
ah hell, i tried but ive lost ma touch today…
Dread,
Thanks for the link.
De nada… There is also an American “Black and Tan” hound
So it look like black & tan ice cream will be stored in a “cold house” for nationalists.
In a North London pub recently, there was a special offer on Indian Pale Ale (IPA), with a notice on the door saying something like “IPA – £1.50 A PINT”.
Only some joker had changed the P to an R, so that it read “IRA – £1.50 A PINT”.
About a week later Special Branch came and raided the place.
A political forore over an ice-cream dish inspired by and named after a mixture of dark and bitter beer. This is ultra leftist madness akin to the antics of the hyper-sensitive, newly non-racist middle classes who determined that blackboards and black coffee were offensive to people of African ethnic origin and must be renamed or outlawed altogether.
It reminds me of the story told of when Leonard Cohen invited some members of the Black Panthers (including, as I remember, Angela Davis)to dinner at his New York apartment. When a friend pointed out that his serving staff were all Afro-American, Cohen fired them and hired a new crew less likely to offend.
Anyone taking offence at an ice-cream really does need to get out a wee bit more.
Actually checkyoursources raises an important point. I take it he’s refering to El Blogador, who doesn’t have any refering links to the original story.
Whilst there may be reasons why a blogger might not wish to provide a ‘live’ link, it is effectively ‘cut and paste’ to take up a story without any reference to the place you got it (in this case politics.ie or nuacht.com).
If we bloggers have issues with newspapers not crediting our work, we can’t then turn around and do the same.
Next time that someone tells you the Provos are sectarian refer them to this list:
Church of Christ
Community Congregational Church
Evangelical Free Church
First Church of Christ Science
First Southern Baptist Church of Provo
Harvest Fellowship
Independent Victory Baptist Church
New Beginnings Fellowship
Provo Bible Church
Provo United Pentecostal Church
Rock Canyon Assembly of God
Seventh-Day Adventist
Calvary Chapel
St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church
St. Mark’s Lutheran Church
St. Mary’s Episcopal Church
Tree of Life Lutheran Church
Church of the Nazarene
Calvary Fellowship
Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witness
Hope Lutheran
United Methodist
Mick,
I didn’t provide any link to another story because it was wasn’t based upon one, and the content of the piece was written by myself- the only ‘borrowed’ info was the GAA’s description of the Bloody Sunday event, which I specifically credited to the GAA. In fact, there was debate
here http://www.junkfoodblog.com/2006/03/ben-jerrys-black-tan-ice-cream.html before it appeared on the other sites mentioned here (I’ve just located it by doing a search). Indeed, I wasn’t even aware of the debate on politics.ie or nuacht, and if you read my piece, the Ben and Jerry’s issue was just a starting point on which I wrote the piece, a bit like the pieces which appeared in the news media.
I would agree that there’s a need to credit another piece if one is cutting and pasting or referring to it (as I always do), but if it’s an original piece on a current event, as it was in this case, then clearly there is no need to.
BTW-
“I would agree that there’s a need to credit another piece if one is cutting and pasting or referring to it (as I always do)”
means that I always give credit when due, not always copy and paste
Besides, I took for granted the folks *HERE* knew who the Black and Tans were—I was asking why the Independent took, what, 80% of the story explaining who the B&Ts were. – Dread Cthulhu
Dred – Assumptions are dangerous things to make. I’m a California girl who’s fallen for an Ulster lad and I’ve been on a steep learning curve since our relationship began last summer. I cannot begin to tell you the hours I’ve spent reading things from both sides of the issue in an effort to educate myself beyond the US media news blurb. Slugger could suck up hours of my day if I let it
So IMHO periodic refreshments of historical events by the media can only help educate those come to Ireland, north or south, be it for a job or for love.
IMHO it can also serve as a reminder of history for those a few years gone past thier school days, who might find it easier to remember slogans vs. realities. Not that some will listen but then again some might…
Point being up until last summer the only context I, as an American, had for Black & Tans were of the Irish bar/St. Paddy’s Day liquid refreshment variety. This is the demographic B&J is shooting for.
BTW tacky drink names aren’t restricted to the Irish… a variation of the Irish Car Bomb, I’ve had a Nagasaki Bomb… Sapporo beer w/ a sake shot dropped in
I see my reading has paid off.. the John Conelly drink joke would have flown right over my head… instead it made me snort with laughter in a “oh no he DIDN’T!!!” sort of way… black humour at it’s best
What we have here is a couple of self-absorbed Vermont hippies making a chocolate and beer-flavored ice cream and naming it after a beer-beverage you can order pretty much anywhere.
Hate to break it to you all, but neither Ben nor Jerry own Ben & Jerry’s anymore. They got bought out (in a more or less hostile way) by Unilever. So, go ahead and blame the Dutch.
Dread read this
Dred – Assumptions are dangerous things to make. I’m a California girl who’s fallen for an Ulster lad and I’ve been on a steep learning curve since our relationship began last summer. I cannot begin to tell you the hours I’ve spent reading things from both sides of the issue in an effort to educate myself beyond the US media news blurb. Slugger could suck up hours of my day if I let it
Do you see what can be acheived by broadening your mind or are you going to criticise Penelope for reading books in the same way you berated me.
Doctor Who: “Do you see what can be acheived by broadening your mind or are you going to criticise Penelope for reading books in the same way you berated me. ”
Go re-read Penelope’s post, Doctor. She was commenting on my take on the Independent’s article, where ~80% of the story was explaining who the Black and Tans were, not any criticism or comment I had made regarding her reading a book. But then, were you to have actually *READ* Penelope’s post, you’d have realized this.
black and tan ice cream okay i’ll let it go . how about intresting flavours of the 3 reich. tsunami creme dream. himmler varnillar. gestapo gateaux. nuremburg naughty but nice. maybe dale farm could make one for the 6 counties a paisley daisy, made with bitter oranges and ends up not agreeing with you
i got one for the american market i’m sure they wont find it offensive. its called a crack whore cornet its a 99 but everything dribbles out of a hole at the bottom
I’ve seen in this blog and many others comments similar to “the Irish bar in my town, USA serves Black and Tans”.
Right – looking to some under-paid slack-jawed employee of a corporate chain, someone most likely without a clue to their own heritage to get your history facts from – how typically ignorant American!
Order up a half’n'half and explain to the befuddled lookin’ dunce what you want. As for expecting the majority to give a shit that they are insulting someone, forget about it!
A pack of hounds in Tipperary was (and still is) named the Black and Tans LONG BEFORE the name was ascribed to the British force.
And Black and Tans are sold in every pub in Ireland. Guinness and Cider I think.
Incidentally, the above address (url)will bring you to a blog which shows evidence that the story of Cork’s burning might not yet be told!