RIOTERS

Was it 300 rioters or 300 brain cells!. Can only assume they were nobody’s with nothing to lose getting a buzz from the excuse to use violence. It would have been far more effective to counter with a peaceful silent rally of their own for ALL the victims. It might have got more media attention.

LOVEULSTER

Heaven knows what they are trying to achieve?

Also disgraceful that they are using the name of dead Protestants to make cheap political points. How low can they go?
The actual victims must be turning in there graves. Don’t the members of loveulster have any respect for the dead, they should realise everyone in the graveyard votes the same?

I was also wondering how parading , flag waving, lambeg beating etc advance’s or remotely represents victims and what actual help are they giving victims on the ground. What are they doing to build peace and create a situation were we never never never have Victims.

Good to see the DUP openly involved with the sectarian orange order/ ex-loyalist paramilitaries who murdered lots of innocent people of both religions. Hypocrisy extreme

The vast majority of ordinary decent unionists should remember this when they cast there next vote and send the DUP packing. Where is the leadership, and progress, what have they done for peace and prosperity?

The orange order are quite happy to have loyalist paramilitaries as members, shankill butcher eddie McIlwaine to name but one. The Shankill Road Protestant Boys band and The Shankill Star flute band are regulars at orange parades, they carry banners glorifying uvf terrorists like sectarian killer, Brian Robinson.

The old boyne island defenders orange lodge in Belfast commemorate uvf killers every july,including mass murderer, Bobby ‘basher’ Bates.

Dawson Baillie, when questioned about orangemen(in full regalia) taking part in a uvf memorial on the Shankill Road said

“The Orange Order is a very broad church and it’s not my responsibility to say to people they can’t be members of various organisations,’’

Deputy Grand Master of Belfast, McMordie said in july last year

“They are on our side (uvf/uda) and continue to defend the orange order”

Senior Belfast orangeman Billy Mawhinney said last summer that the uvf & uda were an integral part of the unionist commuinity and are the protectors of the protestant people

Do these people have the right to march through Dublin ?

Should the uvf or uda be allowed to march through Dublin ?

I don’t think so.

What impressed me about the blog accounts of Saturday was their attention to precise detail of the events as they saw it.

The one exception to that was concrete reference to the character and demenour of the marchers. Largely because they weren’t permitted to march.

But what relevance is there in a reference to a speech make by James Craig in the 1932 in response (it is said) to an earlier speech by de Valera. Craig’s words were:

They still boast of Southern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State” As NI Prime Minister, at Stormont.

The reference to Holy Cross also begs some kind of explicit statement of relevance to this particular march. If you can find a way of pulling these references specifically into the context of Saturday’s march well and good.

But as it stands it reads like a illreferenced sectarian rant.

I have no time for unionists in this country who feel a need to force hatred onto others which they have been doing before and after the partition of Ireland and unfortunately the minority of the “law abiding” Unionists are dragged along with their bigoted brothers

You think we should accept “A protestant State for Protestant People” or Loyalist/Unionist protests against our children going to school?

Hi all,

Realist, glad that we are having a good conversation to understand how we each feel about things.

I see the orange order and the requirements for joining…is to (for lack of better word) defeat the Catholic Church. and organge order members take an oath against the Catholic Church and the errors they see of the Catholic faith…..

I see the Ancient Order of Hibernians…as a group to promote their culture…there is no requirements for membership a duty to destroy the protestant churches…or the errors of the protestant faith.

As for fascism…a fascist is one who exaults his race above all others and wants a dictator…I don’t see republicans exaulting their race as better than someone elses or want to follow laws that make it illigal to marry someone due to their religion or wanting a dictator to rule them.

Because the Irish flag has green white and orange…and what the colors represents…it really is a flag seperating people into religious groupings…Catholic….Protestant…and I would rather see the shamrock as the symbol of Ireland…rather than religious colors….it has nothing to do with getting the protestants out of the flag…but getting all religious grouping out of the flag.

I hope you understand me a bit better now.

Posted by Kathy C

I am glad you are honest about the flag of the Republic Of Ireland.

Selective qouting from the Orange Rules there…you missed the bit about being nice to Roman Catholics, but never mind.

Should the hate group Ancient Order Of Hiberians (big in your part of the world) be banned from parading also?

Republican neo nazi parades in Glasgow, London and other mainland UK towns…should they go to?…Afterall, they are attended by paramilitaries, their apologists and a variety of thugs in republican flute bands dressed in paramilitary style uniforms.

Hi all,

I just posted and saw that a word was #####…
just to be clear the word I used wasn’t bad …

the word I used was big ot and to show all the #### and censure the word…implies I stated something else, which I did not do.

posted by Kathy C

Hi all,

Realist, personally I wish the Irish flag was white with a green shamrock….but that is just me ;o)

Ballymena is largely a protestant town and has been a town with much anti-Catholic behavior from disrupting daily Mass, taunting Catholics, arson attacks against Catholic Schools and homes,….it is logically that the orange order is welcomed in Ballymena…just as the kkk were welcomed in white dominated clan towns in the south….
I oppose the orange order and state it is a hate group because membership in the orange order is based upon “opposing the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid contenancing any act of ceremony of Popish worship.”

If the orange order had in it’s requirements for entry the line saying membership was based upon, “opposing the fatal errors and doctrines of the Muslim Church and scrupulously avoid contenance any act of ceremony of Mohammed worship.”….can you just hear the out cry that the orange order are bigots ….

posted by Kathy C

Moderator:

Re the 2d post of mine that you deleted:
Fair enough. Posters cannot cite another blog’s comments. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. Although this apparently doesn’t apply to a Slugger original topic itself.

BTW, none of this is spelled out in the Slugger Commenting Policy.

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Re the 1st post of mine that you deleted:
I asked re a post actually made on this topic by another poster. It seemed to be “playing the man”, and to be Off Topic.

It is still there.

Double standard?

Will you be lobbying for the Orange bit to be removed from the Republic Of Ireland’s flag, in view of your revelations that it represents a culture akin to the KKK and Neo Nazism?

Much of the republican movement mirrors nazism, but that’s another story.

As Tom Kelly quite rightly said in his Irish News column today:

“…if we cannot cherish all the children of the nation equally as stated in the proclamation, then we need to take a second look at the symbolism of our national flag – for there is no Ireland if green cannot reconcile with orange. The aspiration of a united Ireland will remain just that unless Orange demonstrations are as welcome in Dublin as they are in Ballymena”

Tom is a smart man.

Why do they stop there?

Hasn’t it occured that the Irish medias coverage in the run up to the event was basically fuelling sectarian tensions?

And not just the official media, even here on Slugger we see it.
Orangemen are a hate group, that’s it, no compromise.
And when you can’t think of something to say about other unionsts, simply link them to the Orange hate group, and hey presto, it’s OK to hate them.
This march was touted as a loyalist march from the outset, there was practically a riot in the rush to airbrush the victims out of the picture and replace them with rumours of Loyalist bombers of Dublin being eulogised on the march.
Sinn Feins line from the beginning is that the march was provocation, because after all, the very existance of Unionists is provocation to Irish republicanism.

The official line from moderate Ireland was that they weren’t going to be provoked by these nasty Orangemen.

When you take all these factors together, is it any wonder that the underclass got so het up and came out to kick a few heads?
Where in the name of christ do you think they got the idea that they were being “invaded” in the first place?

From all those people now shedding crocodile tears and condemning the march, that’s where.

You have already been requested not to bring arguments from other sites onto Slugger.

See Commenting Policy for future reference
You have already been requested not to bring arguments from other sites onto Slugger.

See Commenting Policy for future reference

Moderator.

Hi all,

Realist, you stated that you think I don’t cherish all children equally or that I don’t want an United Ireland….you couldn’t be further from the truth.

Because I do cherish ALL children equally…I want to see the hate organization of the orange order and all it represents defeated as it is….a hate oragnization. Just as I want to see other hate organziations defeated such as the kkk and the neo-nazi’s….These organizations preach as does the orange order that they are superior to others…and that is a wrong message to send to children of all races and relgions and societies….

As for the idea that to pursue a united Ireland agenda one must sit back silently and let the orange order march in Dublin to show that the Irish are tolerant…is rather naive. A hate oragnaization should not be tolerated any place. The Neo nazi’s marched this weekend in Orlando and people counter-demonstrated against them ….the people of Orlando stood up to hate…and it’s too bad that so many Irish feel they are still second class citizens and can’t stand up to the hate of the orange order but must be good little paddy’s and let them march.

posted by Kathy C no matter what name comes up ….

You are toning things down a little from your exprssed sentiment of only yesterday.

Let me remind you of the sentiments that you confessed you “couldn’t have said better” yourself:

“And what makes you think that your biggoted views should be respected?

You shower have dictated the rules for long enough. If you don’t like it in the country which you’re occupying then fuck off to the mainland, I wonder if they will welcome yer drums and flutes there. I doubt it. Ye are a race without a country. Give up.”

With all due respect, my “shower” have just as much right to be here as you and will be going absolutely nowhere.

Because my “shower” (a very broad church) oppose the myopic worldview of Irish Republicanism, that does not make our views all bigoted.

Tell readers clearly what future you have in store for unionists on this island…they ain’t going away you know.

Tell us of your “Ireland Of Equals”.