Ingram on IRA, MI5, FBI and MI6
Radio Free Eireann runs a lengthy interview with ‘Martin Ingram’ (sound file, starts 25 minutes in). Ingram describes how informers were enlisted from within the IRA, how MI5 and the FBI cooperated in running British agents in the US (including Dennis Donaldson), how MI5 and MI6 operated in the US, what British protection was given to Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness and their failure to root out informers, the significance of American funding for IRA, and more generally how Northern Ireland undercover operations were conducted. Is he spreading disinformation? He responds to the scepticism of his detractors.
Tags: Conflict
A very good interview. They even put off martin galvin for it. I think he is using some kind of scrambler for his voice,but I’ll be interested in the phone in when they do it.
Worth listening to.
It thought it was interesting when he said; “that’s when Martin Ingram wrote the piece for the Sunday Times” as though he and MI were not one and the same; and further, when he said that Cryptome was his website. Minor slips perhaps…
Perhaps, or perhaps he’s just caught the NI self-important third-person bug a la Johnny Adair and last week, I notice, Gerry Adams.
Tai, what did you think of his revelations about the johnson book? How the difficulties between MI5 and the branch hampered the Finnucaine case? That was revealing I did not know that, as I have not read the book. Also his information regarding the money that could be brought from Lisburn to run the agent, and the branches reaction to it. I thought it was interesting, and the inter-agency bickering is an angle that has been ignored so far.
The comparison of the US to Brit intelligence, re the USAs over reliance on electronic devices to the Brits preference for Human intelligence, and how one compared to the other. I found that interesting too.
I found the interview a good over all view as to how the british behaved here over the last 30 odd years very interesting.
Tai.
When you are a third person ( Source) i.e. Martin Ingram then you talk not as the real you ( My real ID) but as the individual who was involved in writing the piece for the Newspaper .
It is a consistent theme of all my intrviews, Radio and television. The Cryptome remark was a result of a misunderstood point. I quickly clarified it and offered the correct e mail address which Thankfully many Americans have contacted me to say Thank You .
I Thanked the American Hosts and they requested that I return to take part in a telephone phone in, the Americans seem genuinely interested in the corruption of the RM.
Martin
PS. Kate, I am pleased you found it interesting. The Americans are clearly looking at these subjects very closely.
On another thread today, Martin Ingram has publicly accused Pat McLarnon of being a liar. On a previous thread, the same individual equated membership of Community Restorative Justice to that of the IRA.
Having spoken today with members of the CRJ about the allegation carried on the site, I can assure you that the people I spoke with are very concerned about the allegation.
Neither post has been removed, nor has action been taken against the ‘offending’ poster.
Now, given that I have allegedly been ‘barred’ from the site for defaming unknown individuals after intimating that specific stories carried in the media were untrue (fabrications, I believe was the term deemed ‘offensive’, and to which I completely stand over having very good knowledge about both), I take it that similar action will follow for our resident British informant, Martin?
After all, if your concern is truly preventing people from making accusations about others, then it must be the case that the rule should apply across the board? Or is it that republicans alone are to be censured?
Personally, I think the site should be big enough and indeed mature enough to tolerate some witty and forthright- even ascerbic- comments from contributors.
One of the two comments I posted that was apparently deemed offensive even provoked a complimentary response from the poster/ site contributor whom I was reacting to, and to whom by the way I have a considerable amount of respect for the way he has contributed to the development of the site.
One of the strengths of Slugger is that it has filled the insatiable gap in cyberworld for the politicos up here in the north to have a go at one another, rant and rave from time to time and, at its most productive, facilitate some worthwhile discussions which provide food for thought for the contributors, regardless of their background.
However, there is no question in my mind that the site has lost a balance in recent months, and there is a real danger that the site will be reduced to a unionist talk shop- particularly if Pat ever decides that he’s had enough of the personal insults and packs it in.
That would be a real pity in my mind, because there is scope for the site to continue growing and, were you to approach republicans to find a willing site contributor, then it might bring back a balance to the site that has sadly been lacking for quite some time.
Now, I’m off to enjoy my enforced early retirement….
MOI,
You seem to have misunderstood the thread of this topic.
Tell me is this an Unnamed source?
Quote”Having spoken today with members of the CRJ about the allegation carried on the site, I can assure you that the people I spoke with are very concerned about the allegation.”Unquote
In respect to Pat. No offence is intended.
You Shinners are at least consistent. Freddy Scap argued that I should be punished and only the other day it was remarked on this site that I was a legitimate target.Now you suggest that I should be punished, by being banned like you.
It seems you do need if not deserve a rest. You appear from your last post to be ranting and a short break on the sidelines will refresh you for the coming months of debate.
Martin.
quote marks should be placed around the name ‘pat mclarnon’- this is not an individual but a representative of a sinn fein blog monitoring committee for which ‘pat mclarnon’ is an ID
I thought it was a good interview.
One thing they didn’t explore was that if the IRA was so infiltrated then a ceasefire would be the only logical outcome from the republican side. There’s not much point in continuing a war if penetration is near “total”.
re: the internal security unit being compromised, Martin – what are your views on the theory that the IRA had known Scappaticci was stakeknife for a while before his unmasking and had “debriefed” him accordingly? Could this have gone for other now-outed agents asw well? (I can’t remember if I have heard this view ascribed to you in the past)
However, there is no question in my mind that the site has lost a balance in recent months, and there is a real danger that the site will be reduced to a unionist talk shop-
Oh please, not this boring old chestnut. The chuckies have been moaning “unionist talk shop” for over a year, not just “recent months”.
particularly if Pat ever decides that he’s had enough of the personal insults and packs it in.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
quote marks should be placed around the name ‘pat mclarnon’- this is not an individual but a representative of a sinn fein blog monitoring committee for which ‘pat mclarnon’ is an ID
ROFL!!!
Who else is on this “sinn fein blog monitoring committee” which only exists in your head?
how about you as starters?
MotI,
Moderation on Slugger is done on an a posteriori basis. If you think someone has breached the Slugger protocol, the packdrill is the same whether you are a commenter or politician or journalist. Drop me a line and give me specifics. I can then decide whether to take action.
I agree that we’ve not had enough politician friendly bloggers. And I welcome the intoduction of new voices from whichever part of the political spectrum they come. In general terms, I think there is too much reliance on animus and that politicians should get more of a fair crack of the whip.
Having said that, I also think that “there’s a media campaign against us” can more usefully translate as “we’re having a bad air war”. And I mean useful in the sense that there is then something you can do to change that situation. Shooting the messenger just makes things worse.
The most difficult thing in achieving balance in the last year has been the silence from Sinn Fein on most of the stuff that’s been thrown at them. We seem to go on and off their media list with the ebb and flow of the critical coverage. At the moment, the only thing we are getting on a regular is the latest offer from the Sinn Fein online shop.
Of course that is entirely their perogative. But, so far as I can see, it only works to the advantage of Sinn Fein’s opponents, since the only formal offline breifing we get comes from that quarter.
As for a ‘Unionist talk shop’, well I can’t quite see the substance of that accusation. For a start, where are the unionists? Just over two years ago, most of the discussion on Slugger was centred on Unionist politics. Accordingly most of our commenters were Unionists.
That’s where the political action was in Northern Irish politics. And that’s where the crisis was. Whatever you think of it, that crisis was largely resolved in November 2003 when the DUP won the battle for political power in NI. It was followed by a political deep freeze, until the bank robbery in December last.
Then in last year, one by one, our Unionist commentators have dropped out of the Slugger ‘talking shop’. Where some people viewed it as a Unionist outreach project before, it has now become a venue for a largely Nationalist discourse. I’ve no doubt it will change again as politics in NI takes up new courses.
It’s not that Unionists are not interested. Our reader figures remain robust, and by anecdote it seems the site is read by many of the same people as before. But they most probably feel they have little to say about a crisis that relates to too few of their own concerns.
Unionist talking shop? Well if you insist. But it’s one that involves precious few bona fide Unionists.
Finally, I’m sorry you were banned. You’ve been an intelligent commentator who has on occasion shown rare humility in your response to reasoned criticism. But I have to run this site within the bounds of the law. You breached it once too often.
Were I sitting on a big fat sinecure and had the time and money to spare, I might have been able to moderate in such a way to keep you in the game. But in the absence of such, and particularly where it is I, and not you (as an unattributable source), who would have been made answerable to the law, I had little choice.
I am more than happy to continue the conversation off site.
how about you as starters?
LOL
You are out of your tree!!
Am I not a real person either, am I just an ID name like Pat?
Just as a matter of interest what makes you think that such a committee exists?
‘cos i know how adams and the shinners operate, that’s why
That doesn’t explain your reason for believing there is a committee dealing with blogs.
I can assure you that no such committee exists and that neither I nor Pat sit on the fictional committee.
Why exactly – beyond the Z-list star appeal of human organs in jars and bearded ladies in carnival sideshows – is anyone attaching any credibility to the statements of someone who lies for a living, such as this odious ‘Martin Ingram’ character?
The last time I checked, career pathological liars and sociopaths weren’t known for their veracity.
Dubliner
Over the last few years there has been a move towards recognising that state collusion with paramilitiaries was a major feature of the conflict.
Most Unionists acceept it happened (although may dispute its extent) and the SDLP have been making political capital out of the issue (as is their right under a democratic system) when they hadn’t really been doing much to highlight it when it was going on.
I believe that a major reason why the existence of collusion has been accepted among non-republicans is because of the information put in the public domain by Martin Ingram.
Andy.
Thank You .
In respect to compromised Agents. Yes a number have been de briefed but for a variety of reasons have been allowed to remain in situ.
Freddy was allowed to remain for years approx 96 onwards. Freddy was such a pivotal figure within the movement the knowledge that he had been a Brit Agent for decades was thought rightly to be destabilising. Freddy also had a lot of dirt on the leading lights.
At the News conference both Freddy and Sinn Fein were united in that they would lie knowing the truth was difficult to prove.
A photograph of Freddy with an Handler was known to be in existance, the Met Poloice raided one house in London and went straight to an area I and another party had deliberately talked about on the telephone. They even had the neck to describe on the warrant for the search a desire to recover photographs which were in breach of the OSA.
I am told today that the feeling within the ground troops ( IRA) was a belief that Freddy was a brussel but felt unable to publicily say so.
The Cook report tapes were in truth a god send. I was unaware of the tapes until one night a few weeks before they were released. There is a funny story behind the tapes but that will have to wait for some time because certain individual would strangle me if they knew the truth.
The moment they hit Cryptome Freddy and Sinn Fein was on a loser.
The issue of collusion is a serious one and Freddy is only one component, Sinn Fein and the Brits dont want a Truth forum, just like they did not want Freddy to be exposed.
To answer you question regarding compromise?. Sinn Fein will have purely selfish reasons for not exposing Agents, they may well be well respected families with high profile volunteers within. It is sometimes easier like the Brits did with Blunt to just move him and debrief him to gather any material of use and then just ignore him.It can be very embarrassing to admit to a consistent flow of touts, retire them and let them live a life with their family that way both sides win. The Brits dont have to provide a pay off and Sinn fein/IRA dont get it in the Neck. Everybody is happy, sorry about that.
Martin.
‘martin’
I still have problems understanding why the PRM failed to out Freddie, if your correct and they were aware of his activities from around 96. After debriefing him why did they not kill him, they could have dressed it up to look like a loyalist murder. They could have even given him a Republican funeral, after all it would not have been the first time a known tout received such a send off.
Why keep quite knowing full well that they were sitting on a story which might blow up in their face at any time in the future. Thus if they had killed him and the story did out, they could have told their volunteers etc, why do you think he died etc, we were on to the b””’d. After all there were people back then within the PRM whose sole job was to think up ten ways to kill a man.
By the way although I agree with Mick about the swings and roundabouts of a list like slugger, I also agree with ‘MOTI’ in that it needs a SF member to post stories which will end up as threads. I feel any personal criticism of Pat and one or two other shinners is off base. Take Pat week in week out he argues his corner, often under extreme provocation. Yet in the main he remains polite and respectful to his political opponents, true I find his on message stance at times frustrating but that is his way and his right and it is for others to challenge it.
There was a time when the shinners, or rather those few who came here, posted in a totally defensive manner, rarely going beyond group speak, a la morrison.com, this happens far less these day and the thread about RJ shows the list is the better for it. I just wish posters from within the loyalist communities would tell us the effect touts have had within their communities.
One guess as to why not outing Scappaticci before and sitting on it for so long is because they had gotten away with that sort of thing in other cases and why not this one as well which will probably account for a number of other people as MI has indicated.
While I did arrange to listen to at least part of Martin Ingram’s interview despite my claims to the contrary, I do think that it, and previous ones show that he was a former covert agent despite what his know-nothing critics continue to claim, but I do think that he is far too economical in his criticism of the Brits, especially at Martin McGuinness’s expense.
Ingram is apparently the FRU handler, ‘Brian’, who handled Frank Hegarty until he was bundled off to Britain in January 1986 to be debriefed while others, especially Ops Officer of the 14 Intelligence Company’s South Detachment Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie, rounded up all the weapons depots he knew of in order to satisfy Unionists about the Hillsborough Agreemnet, and covert operators in the run-up to the non-nuclear showdown with the Soviets (Operation Armageddon)- what the asssassination of Swedish statsminister Olof Palme (Operation Tree) was intended to trigger.
Instead of talking about Britain’s betrayals, especially Ingram’s own, of Hegarty, he put all the blame for what happened to the informer on McGuinness when he might well have been treated by the Provos in just the same way as Ingram was by the FRU.
In sum, if Ingram is just not another covert disinformation agent, he better start speaking out more candidly and honestly about his apparently former employers, or one should soon discard him as a viable source.
Trowbinge,
your posts always amuse me, I never know if you are serious or not. I feel that Martin Ingram is a ‘dissident’ voice within the security services, much like we have dissident voices with in republicanism. One of the leading voices of dissent within republicanism is Anthony McINtyre. This man like Ingram was in an organisation and then left to become a leading critic of his former organisation. The same is true of ‘Martin Ingram’ except I believe he has gone a little further, as he placed his head on the block not only to those former people he served with but also by his former enemies -republicans.
Perhaps I am wrong in this analysis and if so apologies to Mr Mac, but I think it is a reasonable analysis. Both these gentlemen are in the media and appear to be on the level.
You keep introducing names such as Simon Hayward that no one here has ever heard off, and making these allegations and explanations of the facts. A lot of people who read this board have been around for a long time and many are ‘in the know’, and I would like to know how these names you offer have not been in the media or known to journalists sources etc here in the north of Ireland.
Mick.
Your points re : Pat are valid and have been hoisted on board.
Mick. Sinn Fein have doing this for years, it is a tried and tested method.Indeed Mr Adams knows that only too well.
Pat. If I have offended you. I am sorry .
Trow.
You have accused me previously of being involved in the assasination of a Sweedish prime minister. I am sorry but after years of trying to help you, it is clear you are a lost cause.
Martin
Martin,
The interview was very interesting. I’m still digesting bits of it…
Alfredo,
Not sure about a blog monitoring committee, (that would be a cherry job wouldn’t it?) however there sure are a few blogging “press releases” about. SF are a full generation behind on their propaganda approach. There is a manifesto kicking around that explains how to pull a long standing group into the new form of information dissemination…SF could stand to read it, and put it into practice.
FK
Mr Ingram
Just listened to your interview.
A question if I may, all to do with timing.
I don’t understand why at this critical juncture in negotiations you decide to come on air touting an anti-SF agenda?
Surely if your position is to have any integrity, and supposing the forthcoming talks fail to produce anything, then is the time to come on air with your ideas of the need for a new Party.
Why not get behind SF, as you say you’re a nationalist, and believe in a united ireland; giving them your full support in the hope that we can persuade the DUP into talks and secure a peaceful future for the North.
Its the DUP that need coaxing? Right?
Your timing doesn’t make sense to me, but then again I’m the naive one here, is that it?
I had to laugh when they played the music at the end.Very good.
Kate, I appreciate your candor, though I must say that I am a bit distressed that you and others have never heard of the people I have mentioned, starting with Captain Simon Hayward.
All I can ask you to do is to consult the three anonymous articles I had on cryptome.org in late October 2003 about IRA mugshots, the Notarantonio murder, what followed in 1988, and the fall of Thatcher and her conservatives on informationclearinghouse.info. All of the articles, except the mugshots one, is also in the Trowbridge Archive at codshit.com.
If you have any questions after reading this material, just ask.
As for you, Ingram, you stonewalling any questions, starting with the outing of Frank Hegarty, and the premature capture of the weapons depots in anticipation of the showdown with the Soviets, starting in Stockholm, speaks volumes about your candor and honesty. It was part of the conspiracy, along with the murder of Francis Bradley on February 18, 1986.
Kate, you might find the reporting of these events, starting with what happened in Strabane a year earlier(p. 333ff.) in Father Murray’s SAS in Ireland instructive.
Came accross this beauty waiting in the Citizens Advice Bureau.
How simple
PEACEFUL CONFLICT RESOLUTION
Respect the right to disagree.
Express your real concerns.
Share common goals and interests.
Open yourself to different points of view.
Listen carefully to all proposals.
Understand the major issues involved.
Think about probable consequences.
Imagine several possible alternative solutions.
Offer some reasonable compromises.
Negotiate mutually fair cooperative agreements.
–Robert E. Valett
“In sum, if Ingram is just not another covert disinformation agent, he better start speaking out more candidly and honestly about his apparently former employers, or one should soon discard him as a viable source.” – Trowbridge H. Ford
Exactly, Martin says just enough ‘negatives’ about his employers to appear credible in his charade as disenfranchised allegedly former employee.
Ingram, to his credit, co-operated with the Stevens Inquiry into institutionalised collusion between the state and FRU-controlled murder gangs. The real story in this isn’t about Sinn Fein, it about the unbroken chain of command of the British state’s murder campaign against its own citizens under Brigadier Gordon Kerr’s tenure as head of FRU running all the way through the then NI Secretary, Tom King, to Secretary of State for Defence, George Younger, and on to Downing Street where Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. The state wilfully conspired to murder at least 14 of its own citizens through its franchised official killing machine, the UDA. But it doesn’t stop with the UDA: how many of its citizens did the British state wilfully murder through its agent(s) in the IRA?
No, the real issue isn’t spurious speculation about the number of British informers or agents within Sinn Fein (as Ingram would now misdirect us), or even the IRA’s failure to suspect Steak Knife, the real issue is the British state’s murder campaign against its own citizens through its multi-franchised official killing machines in the north. That is where our inquiries should be.
Ingram is very much an active operative in propaganda disinformation. He is active before our eyes. Just as the FRU (JSG) have a department that feeds disinformation and black propaganda to the mainstream media (witness the flood of malicious ‘informer rumour’ stories akin to Ingram’s), so too do they seek to disseminate disinformation and black propaganda into the emerging alternative Internet news streams such as Blogs. This new medium is too important to be ignored. That’s why Ingram is here. It helps to be aware of that.
Sp[irit Level.
Nationalism does not equate to Sinn Fein my friend, of that I am 100% sure.
Martin.
Dubliner, at least ‘Ingram’ is pseudonymous. I recommend reading Conor Brady’s piece in the Village from the week before last:
http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/wicked_mixing_of_fact_and_fantasy/
Dubliner.
Sorry our posts crossed. As I have had a drink or two you will have to wait till the morning.
Martin.
“One of the leading voices of dissent within republicanism is Anthony McINtyre. This man like Ingram was in an organisation and then left to become a leading critic of his former organisation. The same is true of ‘Martin Ingram’ except I believe he has gone a little further, as he placed his head on the block not only to those former people he served with but also by his former enemies -republicans.
“Perhaps I am wrong in this analysis and if so apologies to Mr Mac, but I think it is a reasonable analysis. Both these gentlemen are in the media and appear to be on the level.”
Comparing “Martin Ingram” to McIntyre is a stroke of genius, Kate. I wholeheartedly concur. But, then, it’s not the first time you’ve had to apologize to McIntyre, is it? There was that plagiarism in The Blanket, and your subsequent sacking, right?
“Sorry our posts crossed. As I have had a drink or two you will have to wait till the morning.” – Martin
Well, you know you’ve had too much to drink when you take a leak the the flowerbed and the roses start singing, “Two Pina Coladas.”
Martin, a transcript of a TV documentary “Licensed to Kill – Inside the Force Research Unit” found on relativesforjustice.com shows this question being asked to Jack Grantham:
Commentary: “You said one of the tactics that FRU actually used was to give information which would lead the IRA to believe that a certain person was an informer within their own ranks.”
Jack Grantham replies: “Yes, by using your own agents to sow those seeds and from small acorns grow.”
Now, you’ve denied being either Jack Grantham or that name being another pseudonym of yours, despite claims to the contrary, but isn’t the FRU tactic that Jack Grantham outlined of spreading disinformation about informers exactly what you are transparently doing? Your posts are riddled with examples of it.
Your previous reply to Andy on this thread is riddled with examples of you spewing spurious “reasons” why Sinn Fein would deny that agents within their party or within the IRA were widespread:
“At the News conference both Freddy and Sinn Fein were united in that they would lie knowing the truth was difficult to prove.”
“Sinn Fein will have purely selfish reasons for not exposing Agents, they may well be well respected families with high profile volunteers within.”
“It can be very embarrassing to admit to a consistent flow of touts, retire them and let them live a life with their family that way both sides win.”
The above are all examples of mind-reading by you. And unless mind-reading was removed from fairgrounds and into the realm of science without my knowledge, I’d have to dismiss the above as you talking shite.
You are seeking to undermine wholly legitimate denials to wholly unfounded accusations denials against Sinn Fein by yourself and others who share your agenda here. You consistently fail to offer a shred of credible evidence to support your dissemination of disinformation and black propaganda. All you offer is the tricks of your propaganda trade.
The agenda you promote is to destabilise the republican movement by undermining confidence in its leaders by its members. You’d like it if they fell for your game and considered that they were sold down the river by a republican movement that was controlled by the British securocrats, wouldn’t you? That might make enough of them support other republican paramilitaries such as the Real IRA, thereby allowing the unionists to opt out of a power-sharing executive with Sinn Fein while “IRA elements are clearly still involved in military activity.” That, I suspect, is the real game plan here. It seems some rogue security elements just can’t countenance the very real prospect of being governed by Sinn Fein. Too bad, because they’re going to have to get used to it.
“Dubliner, at least ‘Ingram’ is pseudonymous. I recommend reading Conor Brady’s piece in the Village from the week before last:
http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/wicked_mixing_of_fact_and_fantasy/ ” – Mick
That’s an interesting article from a very distinguished and capable journalist, Conor Brady. I suspect the ‘information quality control’ will improve as the ‘alternative’ media becomes the mainstream, with a large disclaimer being placed on the public comments section, and an elite number of Blogs gaining credibility above those with less control over information quality.
You, at least, signalled the possibility that Martin Ingram was spreading disinformation in your article. That’s helpful, as people like Martin Ingram are professionals at what they do and can easily be given undue credence by the unwary – and given propaganda support by those with a shared agenda. This ‘informer rumour’ game is very dangerous indeed, so a signal is needed for the unwary.
My two cents – but I’m not a protagonist, just an opinionated observer.
Dubliner.
My Cryptome piece was released on New Years eve. I had made no public comment about the so called informers previously , except for one interview on Today Fm. In that interview I refused to answer any questions about the prospect of any further exposures as was being alleged WHY ?because I did not Know. I did not invite Tom Hartley to a meeting with the IRA on Christmas Eve, this meeting would not have been to compare christmas lists of that I am sure.
The police did visit a number of houses during this period without first coming to me for reassurance. The RM ( and some have written about it) have worked a lot out for themselves.
In respect to Freddy. You may not have contacts in the RM but I do. Both Sinn Fein and the Brits knew Freddy was a brussel sprout when he went on his wild rage at defending his reputation on TV and in court. That is why I have asked formally for the police to investigate this act of perjery. We should test this in a court of law.
When Jack Grantham who took part in tv (some years ago) show, he made that point ( sowing the seeds of doubt) he was refering to people like Sean Maguire, Ruby Davison, JJ, Freddy etc. They helped to sow that seed. It worked my friend very well, it just happens to be illegal. Now I dont think there will be many who will doubt that it worked because Sinn Fein have already said it did work and have said sorry to a number of families. So what is your point here.
Have a nice day.
Martin.
Thanks, Dubliner, for attempting to get Ingram to talk candidly about the British state’s murder campaign, but, as all can see, he is incapable of doing it, drunk or seemingly sober.
I have tried for the past two years, but all I have gotten is his notices about my mental sickness, suggestions for possibly controlling it, etc. I know now what it was like being a Soviet dissident.
All Ingram can come up with is speculation about
less important issues – especially Scap is the one and only ‘Steak Knife’- when the real one is what Britain’s murder machine carried out, starting with the cull at Loughgall.
Ingram is working night and day to make sure there are no independent inquiries of the assassinations, so he and all his buddies can escape unknown and scot free.
At least, it is comforting to know that there is at least someone with his head screwed on properly here and elsewhere about the real issues, and why they are not being resolved.
Whatever martin ingram is working at this weather he seems to be employed full time at it. Have asked him previously on another thread whether or not he had kept detailed dairies in the possibility / eventuallity of a war crimes tribunal. Asked him this question because other people like him have admitted to keeping detailed dairies. M.I refused to answer the question. I am only after listening to his radio interview on RFI and it struck me as strange that an Irish Nationlist ( even a convert like M.I.) would talk of the British ‘mainland’! But there you go – ‘Londonderry’, ‘terrorists’ and all that. M.I says during his interview that the spectaculars on the ‘mainland’during his term i.e late eighties and early nineties was carried out by the armagh and tyrone units of PIRA cause the belfast and derry units were not trusted because they were so heavilty infiltrated by Brit Int. However even an amateur student of the conflict of that period would see that the a lot of PIRA units in Tyrone to all intents and purposes could not operate because it was clear from early eighties that the Tyrone units were compromised thus ruling out their so called reliability for ‘spectaculars’. It seems that Republicans of that period had been convinced for many years that an unofficial ceasefire was in place in Derry. For a unit of PIRA such as the Belfast unit to be so heavily infiltrated, according to M.I., then that unit inflicted a terrible lot of damage. Goodness knows what it would have been like if they had not been infiltrated, eh Martin? Bottom line? Britain has absolutely no right to be in Ireland and everything that flows from that presence is a criminal act. As an Irish Nationlist, surely you would agree, Máirtín?
onanothermanswounds
Myself I would rephrase what you wrote to,
Britain has absolutely no right to be in Ireland and the violence of the last thirty odd years has flowed from this fact. But I support your sentiments.
regards
Mick
Scap I apologised to mcintyre,and to the person whose pieces I used and did not attribute the source. There has of course been another instance of plagarism in the blanket, and there was no apology that I saw, but then some apologise for their mistakes and some do not, that is the way of the world.
The comparison above was used because I see it as a valid one, so anytime you feel like coming up from under your stone and using your own name we can continue talking either on or off line. As mick has pointed out invisible people have invisible rights. Lets see your backbone if you have one.
Onanothermanswounds.
I am genuinely sorry if I have missed your previous posts, regarding documents etc.
To answer you directly YES.
The mainland term is designed not for a NI audience but for an American one.
Londonderry, or Derry I use both terms.
Tyrone remains the second most loyal area, Belfast and Derry remains last.
As regards Damage in Belfast, can not agree with you, it could have been much worse.
I wrote and apologized for my role in Ireland over four years ago in the Andytown news GP 01/2001, shame your finger is not on the pulse my friend although it is quick on the trigger to have a dig at me. Running Scared of the truth ? thought so.
M.I
If you claim to be an Irish Nationalist, would it not be in the Irish National interest for you to publish your dairies asap in order that Britains role in the conflict is fully exposed? Or is it that you will not publish your dairies because it is actually yourself who is running scared? Whatever. To repeat another question that I posed on another thread: when you and yours were playing GOD how did you and yours select the victims of your collusion policy? Did yous role a dice, pick a card, select a number, point to a house or what? I am sure the relatives of your collusion policy would like to know.
Onanothermanswounds.
My duty as I rish Nationalist is to point out the folly of Sinn Fein.
Quote”To repeat another question that I posed on another thread: when you and yours were playing GOD how did you and yours select the victims of your collusion policy? Did yous role a dice” Unquote
In respect to collusion. It was very scientific?
telephone directory and a chicken wish bone. When the bone was moved over a catholic in the phone book, the bone became irrational and the room lights began to flicker. Hey Presto target.
Hope that helps you understand this very Important subject.
Martin, Chief wish bone operator.
M.I
No closer to understanding how you and yours when yous were playing GOD selected your victims ( what are you running scared off?) BUT I and I hope a whole lot others have a better insight into your mentality. Nite nite and keep the dairies close, you never know you might need them some day.
“My Cryptome piece was released on New Years eve. I had made no public comment about the so called informers previously , except for one interview on Today Fm.” – Martin Ingram
Really? Then I just have been reading a fake ‘Martin Ingram’ on Slugger when I observed you dropping hints about Martin McGuinness being an informer like they were confetti at an Italian wedding.
Your article on December 31st, where you again insinuate that both Jerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are informers shows your agenda. I’d give it an ‘A’ for effort, but a ‘J’ for propaganda excellence, an ‘X’ for logic, and another letter would have to be added to the end of the alphabet before I could properly grade it for evidence value.
While you withdrew your evidence from the Stevens enquiry under extreme duress (but at least helped), your only actual value to the real world is assist in any further enquiries (without attaching your evidence to a retractable yo-yo string, hopefully). Only the idiots buy this bullshit that you and other British propagandists (chiefly employed in the Irish media) are disseminating in newspapers and television. Whether you are jumping on the bandwagon for attention or are being paid like the others to spread it really doesn’t matter.
“In respect to Freddy. You may not have contacts in the RM but I do. Both Sinn Fein and the Brits knew Freddy was a brussel sprout when he went on his wild rage at defending his reputation on TV and in court. That is why I have asked formally for the police to investigate this act of perjery. We should test this in a court of law.” – Martin Ingram
Steak Knife’s role as a FRU Agent within the IRA seems every bit as vile as Brian Nelson’s role as a FRU Agent within the UDA. Both men were an integral part of the British state’s franchised citizen killing machines in the north. Steak Knife is alleged to be responsible for approximately 40 murders as a highly-paid FRU Agent. How many of those murders were either act or omission by the FRU? Steak Knife’s role as a serial murderer appears to have been twofold: to ensure that informers and agents were not ‘suspected’ and to ‘frame’ others as informers that the FRU wanted to murder. This isn’t just a case of the British state’s terrorism-by-proxy, it’s a straightforward case of the state itself engaged directly in terrorism though one of its own highly-paid agents. Steak Knife is as much an FRU man as you were.
But I agree with the assertion that Sinn Fein has a vested interest in not highlighting the role of Steak Knife with the same intensity that they highlighted the role of Brian Nelson. However, that party’s political self-interests are irrelevant to the families and friends of those murdered by the FRU here.
“When Jack Grantham who took part in tv (some years ago) show, he made that point ( sowing the seeds of doubt) he was refering to people like Sean Maguire, Ruby Davison, JJ, Freddy etc. They helped to sow that seed. It worked my friend very well, it just happens to be illegal. Now I dont think there will be many who will doubt that it worked because Sinn Fein have already said it did work and have said sorry to a number of families. So what is your point here.” – Martin Ingram
I’ve made it in my comments above. More examples of the British state conspiring to murder its own citizens. I suggest you acquaint yourself with the legal definition of murder that applies in the UK courts, particular the part about a failure to act.
“My duty as I rish Nationalist is to point out the folly of Sinn Fein. ” – Martin Ingram
Did you smile when you wrote that? Your duty as a black propagandist is to pose as being an Irish Nationalist whilst disseminating your brand of malice. Isn’t the definition of “black propaganda” information that “purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side.”
“In respect to collusion. It was very scientific? telephone directory and a chicken wish bone. When the bone was moved over a catholic in the phone book, the bone became irrational and the room lights began to flicker. Hey Presto target.” – Martin Ingram
I doubt that he relatives of those that you and your cohorts facilitated the murders of would find your attempt at macabre humour amusing. But then, you already know that they wouldn’t; and that is why you deliberately make light of the misery that you wilfully inflicted on them, thereby unwittingly revealing more than a little about your true depraved mentality. The FRU is certainly an enterprise that sociopaths would be by the nature of their pathological affliction both ideally suited to, and drawn toward.
http://www.martykaiser.com/
Martin Kaiser is the man who built the bugs and other wiretapping equipment for the FBI,CIA .NSA, ETC. He has a new tell all book.
Mr. Ingram,
Don’t mean to seem to be a johnny come lately, but if you’re solely interested in seeing the truth come out, and in conjunction a Nationalist, wouldn’t one question your timing for the McGuinness pronouncement attributed to you recently? Would that not be something that could have been addressed after November’s deadline…the claim itself would appear to be unsubstantiated at the moment, and if one were a conspiracy theorist, the timing couldn’t be better to deflect the transience of the DUP in the current “shadow” Assembly…
The current edition of Private Eyecarries an interesting slant on Ingram’s motives and possible veracity (see Eye No.1160, 9 June – 22 June 2006 – Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Film-maker).
It seems our “Marty”, as he so endearingly wishes to be known, has ambitions for Hollywood. Unfortunately a movie called “Marty” has already suceeded as an Oscar winner back in 1956 (Ernest Borgnine – leading actor). That film, from a Paddy Chavesky script, concerned the yearnings of an ugly butcher for tender love. But no, tempting as it might seem, that is not the idea. It seems that our “Marty” is at pains to share with Kevin Fulton (that international military analyst of renown) the credits in a Warner Brothers movie linking the IRA to insurgency roadside mine attacks against foreign invaders in Iraq. Apparently the Fulton character is to be the star, though with a bit of luck, our “Marty” might get to co-star (as a character), at least as the hero’s not-so-handsome buddy. Who shall play the “Marty” character in this eventuality, I ask myself? Dennis Hopper? Who for that matter will play the Fulton character?
Readers’ comments would be welcome. Who knows – Warner Bros may even pick up an option on your idea.
…see Eye No.1160, 9 June – 22 June 2006 – Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Film-maker-
Shame on you Rory for teasing us with something that isn’t online!